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| AA History Lovers 2009 — moderators Nancy Olson and Glenn F. Chesnut — page AA History Lovers 2009 Messages 5453-6184 moderated by Nancy Olson September 18, 1929 – March 25, 2005
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M. Wilson From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/28/2008 6:36:00 PM
> > I saw that Virginia added a note beside > signature number 66, Howard M. Wilson. > Her note said: "(Bill's brother)" > How did she come to believe that Bill had > a brother? As we know, he only had a sister, > Dorothy. His uncle was Clarence, who is > buried beside Bill in East Dorset. > > Les
> Colorado Springs, CO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5454. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Signatures on Big Book: Howard M. Wilson & John Carney From: Matt Dingle . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/28/2008 9:32:00 PM
lived at Stepping Stones for a while. Bill spent time helping him sober up. (I think Bill's effort eventually came to naught.) JOHN CARNEY (JACK CARNEY) -- Art Carney's brother Also, I noticed John Carney's name on the opposite page from Howard. John (or Jack) Carney was Art Carney's brother and wrote the "Take me out to Bellevue" song featured in the 1993 version of Gresham's Law and Alcoholics Anonymous: I¢ve been staying away from the meetings, I¢ve been staying away from the crowd. A pint and three nembies, then call the hack, Here's one wack that is flat on his back. Take me out to Bellevue, so I can remember my name, I must be nuts to think I could cheat on the AA game. For whatever it is worth. Thanks Matt D. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5455. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Dr. Tiebout Question From: Sally Brown . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/29/2008 11:13:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi, Mike and everybody - Marty may have been Tiebout's first alcoholic patient at Blythewood, but we don't know that. He was already interested in alcoholism when he met Marty at Bellevue, so probably had had other such patients.
alcoholic patient. Grennie Curtis, Nona Wyman, and a couple of other alcoholic women were already Blythewood patients when Marty arrived. (See Chs 12-13 and p 131 of A Biography of Mrs Marty Mann for info about Grennie). Happy New Year! Sally Rev Sally Brown Board Certified Chaplain United Church of Christ
A Biography of Mrs. Marty Mann: The First Lady of Alcoholics Anonymous http://www.sallyanddavidbrown.com 1470 Sand Hill Rd, 309 Palo Alto, California 94304 Phone/Fax: 650-325-5258 Email: rev.sally@att.net (rev.sally at att.net)
by AA World Services From: DudleyDobinson@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/31/2008 6:14:00 PM
AA in Ireland: http://www.aahistory.com/ has a notice that their Just For Today emails have had to be stopped. As they announce it on their webpage:
the end of an unplanned transition. Our last email has been sent, dear readers, until we can find some suitable material to pass on to you that can be emailed around the globe without restrictions. It's been sheer joy being of service to you for these last 4,850 days. (One at a time.) - - - - An explanation is given in an email they have sent around to various people: "AA World Services has asked us to cease and desist sending AA materials outside the US, in violation of international copyright agreements. It’s virtually impossible to police who is in the US and who isn’t, so we’re ceasing publication rather than risk legal action by AAWS."
of the book, Alcoholics Anonymous, printed in 1939 by Works Publishing Company, pages 178-179 (currently page 164 in the 4th edition of the same title)."
realize we know only a little. God will constantly disclose more to you and to us. Ask Him in your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. The answers will come, if your own house is in order. But obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got. See to it that your relationship with Him is right, and great events will come to pass for you and countless others. This is the Great Fact for us."
God. Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows. Clear away the wreckage of your past. Give freely of what you find and join us. We shall be with you in the Fellowship of the Spirit, and you will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny."
Jenny M., Doug B., Barbara P., Ken P., Roger B., Bill B., Seth P., Luke J., and the late Herb K.
attempts by AA World Services in New York City to keep alcoholics in many other parts of the world from reading material from the first edition of the Big Book (even though it is no longer under copyright in the U.S.) unless it has been printed by AAWS or reproduced under direct license from them, is a part of AA history.
and read full historical accounts of all of the earlier disputes over this and similar issues involving AAWS. But please remember one of the cardinal guidelines set up by our group's founder, Nancy Olson: "This is not an AA chat group," by which she meant that we had to stick with questions about the historical facts, and could not get involved in disputes over matters of opinion and interpretation.
side of this issue -- whether you regard the people at AAWS as the Children of Darkness or the Children of Light -- please do not send messages to the AAHistoryLovers simply swearing at AAWS or defending them as the true angels of righteousness and probity.
errors in what the messages from Just For Today and its supporters have reported, or other historical facts that have been omitted from the story, those are fair game for the aa-HISTORY-lovers. I know that lots of people feel VERY strongly on this issue, but please, to preserve the basic character of the AAHistoryLovers as a venue to check on the basic historical facts of AA history in a reasonably calm and objective format, send these comments to some other better suited AA web group.
the Big Book From: Russ Stewart . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/29/2008 10:16:00 PM
effect that experience is the thing of supreme value is life. That is true only if one is willing to turn the past to good account. We grow by our willingness to face and rectify errors and convert them into assets. The alcoholic's past thus becomes the principal asset of the family and frequently it is almost the only one!"
referring to was: "Life is a series of experiences, each one of which makes us bigger, even though sometimes it is hard to realize this. For the world was built to develop character, and we must learn that the setbacks and grieves which we endure help us in our marching onward." But I do not know when he said it or who he was saying it to. However, I did find this on Wikipedia: In 1923, Ford's pastor, and head of the Ford Sociology Department, the Episcopal minister Samuel S. Marquis, claimed that Ford believed, or "once believed" in reincarnation. Though it is unclear whether or how long Ford kept such a belief, the San Francisco Examiner from August 26, 1928, published a quote which described Ford's beliefs: - - - - I adopted the theory of Reincarnation when I was twenty six. Religion offered nothing to the point. Even work could not give me complete satisfaction. Work is futile if we cannot utilise the experience we collect in one life in the next. When I discovered Reincarnation it was as if I had found a universal plan I realised that there was a chance to work out my ideas. Time was no longer limited. I was no longer a slave to the hands of the clock. Genius is experience. Some seem to think that it is a gift or talent, but it is the fruit of long experience in many lives. Some are older souls than others, and so they know more. The discovery of Reincarnation put my mind at ease. If you preserve a record of this conversation, write it so that it puts men's minds at ease. I would like to communicate to others the calmness that the long view of life gives to us. - - - - My new question now is, did Bill W. believe in reincarnation?? ______________________________ From the moderator: For more on Rev. Marquis and the so-called "Ford Sociology Department," see: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_n10_v39/ai_6323610/pg_4 The Ford Motor Company's experiment in what is sometimes referred to as "welfare
capitalism" was gradually undermined by increasing competition from other Detroit manufacturers, by growing labor unrest, and by an economy that after the First World War showed signs of becoming more and more unstable. During the First World War, the Ford Sociological Department became the base of operations within the Ford Motor Company for the national spy network associated with the
American Protective League (APL). This was a patriotic "citizen's group" which
had as its object the discovery of IWW and socialist opponents of the war effort, and the enforcement of the Espionage and Sedition Acts of the federal government. Ford Sociological Department investigators working for the APL examined the files on the home lives of Ford workers for evidence of disloyalty, and used these as a basis for coercing or firing "wrong elements."
especially hard hit. Total sales of vehicles dropped from 998,029 in 1919 to 530,780 in 1920. In the drastic reorganization that followed, which included massive layoffs and an enormous speed-up on the production line, the strategy of the Ford Motor Co. turned from one of "welfare capitalism" to more ruthless forms of exploitation. Explaining the general atmosphere at this time, one Ford
executive stated, "We were driving them, of course. We were driving them in those days. . . . Ford was one of the worst shops for driving the men." As part of this reorganization, the Sociological Department was disbanded in 1921. Yet, its more repressive function, associated with what Leo Huberman was to call "the labor spy racket," was retained and given a new home in the notorious Service Department, which became the headquarters for Ford's struggles against unions throughout the 1920s and 1930s. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5458. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson against the use of vulgar lanquage From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/29/2008 8:58:00 PM
founder, Nancy Olson, July 20, 2002 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/430 gives Bill Wilson's Guidelines for stories in the 2d edition of the Big Book: "Since the audience for the book [Big Book] is likely to be newcomers, anything from the point of view of content or style that might offend or alienate those who are not familiar with the program should be carefully elim- inated . . . Profanity, even when mild, rarely contributes as much as it detracts. It should be avoided." Tommy H in Baton Rouge - - - - Message 5450 from Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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