There may be a few others to look into as well. I believe that Barefoot
Bill (Lash) also posted a few articles which contain "moral psychology"
Yours in service,
Jim M. from http://www.silkworth.net/
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++++Message 6534. . . . . . . . . . . . AAHistoryLovers get-together in San
Antonio
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/19/2010 11:19:00 AM
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For the History Lovers going to San Antonio for
the A.A. International Convention, July 1-4, 2010.
Would it be possible to somehow take a poll and
pick a date, time and location to gather together
and see what we look like up close and personal?
I've met some History Lovers folks at the National
Archives Workshops and would love to meet more at
the International.
I never cease to be amazed at how absolutely
terrible I am at preconceiving how email authors
might look like and how they actually turn out
in person.
Cheers
Arthur
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++++Message 6535. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AAHistoryLovers get-together in
San Antonio
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/23/2010 10:24:00 PM
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I think Arthur has a great idea.
I plan to spend a lot of my time in the
A.A. ONLINE HOSPITALITY SUITE
which the Advance Program says will be located in the Grand Hyatt Hotel (the
main convention hotel) in Crockett Suite A/B.
I phoned the New York GSO on Friday, and they said that the A.A. Online
hospitality suite was for all AA-related online groups, including groups
like
the AAHistoryLovers, and they encouraged us to drop in and spend time there
whenever we wished. So this seems like it could be a very good place to
meet.
The hospitality rooms will be open on Thursday through Saturday, they told
me,
but not on Sunday.
And Thursday would probably not be a good day to meet, given that we have
given
folks no advance warning. Since no convention activities are scheduled until
the
party and dance at 7:00 p.m. on Thursday evening, most people will most
likely
have their travel plans set up so that they will be arriving on Thursday
afternoon or evening.
So some time on Friday or Saturday would seem like it would give the most
people
an opportunity to attend.
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ADVANCE PROGRAM
A.A. International Convention
San Antonio, Texas -- July 1-4, 2010
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/2010IC_AdvanceProgram.pdf
THURSDAY, July 1, 2010
7:00 p.m. -- convention begins Thursday night with a Party in the Park right
outside Halls C & D of the Convention Center in Hemisfair Park. Start in the
park; hop on into the Convention Center and swing over to the Grand Hyatt
San
Antonio for dancing fun.
FRIDAY, July 2, 2010
9:00 a.m.-5:30 p.m.
A.A. topic meetings, workshops, panels, special interest meetings, and
regional
meetings will be held Friday and Saturday at the Henry B. Gonzalez
Convention
Center and the Grand Hyatt San Antonio.
8:00 p.m.
Friday night we all come together in the Alamodome Stadium for the Flag
Ceremony
and Opening A.A. Meeting.
SATURDAY, July 3, 2010
9:00 a.m.-5:30 p.m.
A.A. topic meetings, workshops, panels, special interest meetings, and
regional
meetings will be held Friday and Saturday at the Henry B. Gonzalez
Convention
Center and the Grand Hyatt San Antonio.
8:00 p.m.
Saturday night Old-timers A.A. Meeting.
SUNDAY, July 4, 2010
9:00 a.m.-11:00 a.m.
Sunday morning the Closing A.A. Meeting.
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I am looking forward to seeing lots of the wonderful people in the
AAHistoryLovers in San Antonio.
Glenn Chesnut, Moderator
AAHistoryLovers
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++++Message 6536. . . . . . . . . . . . Searching for Letter to Alcoholic
Foundation by Bill McI., 1946
From: sonja400@rogers.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 11:59:00 AM
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Hi, folks,
I'm new to this group. I'd like help finding a particular letter - I'd like
to
see the original before a copy of it goes into our Toronto newsletter. I
don't
know how to search online for it.
It is a letter to Alcholoic Foundation by Bill McI., Secretary for Toronto
AA
Central Group. It is dated March 20, 1946. It starts off as follows:
"Dear Bobbie:
I realize that I am reporting in rather late, but AA has been moving very
rapidly here since the first of the year and moving in the right direction.
We
started off with our New Year's party which was a grand success and quite
different from a year previous when four of us sat in a morgue like
atmosphere
drinking ginger ale and wondering if it was worth it. This year we had well
over 100 happy, laughing sober people. Truly a tribute to the way AA works."
Perhaps someone can not only find this particular letter for me, but also
tell
me how I go about searching for specific articles. Sonja
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++++Message 6537. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Akron honors Dr. Bob by
re-naming part of Olive Street
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 11:12:00 AM
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I know this is being done with the best of intentions but if Dr Bob made
anything clear prior to his death it was that he did not want this kind of
recognition.
It seems that more and more, the respect for AA's anonymity Traditions are
either dissolving or being trivialized (always with the best of intentions
of course).
Cheers
Arthur
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From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of momaria33772
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:50 AM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Akron honors Dr. Bob by re-naming part of Olive
Street
Dr. Bob's Way coming to Akron
Portion of Olive St. will be designated for AA co-founder
By Stephanie Warsmith
Beacon Journal staff writer
Published on Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Each year, thousands travel to Akron to recognize Dr. Bob Smith for
co-founding Alcoholics Anonymous.
This year, Akron will thank Dr. Bob in a special way - by naming part of a
street after him.
Akron City Council on Monday voted to designate the section of Olive Street
from North Main Street to North Howard Street
''Dr. Bob's Way.'' This section of Olive is on the north end of St. Thomas
Hospital, which featured the first hospital specialty
unit to treat alcoholism as a medical condition. The street designation will
help celebrate the 75th anniversary of AA
starting in Akron on June 10.
''I think it's a good piece of legislation and a good way to honor Dr.
Bob,'' said Councilman Jeff Fusco. Summit County
Councilwoman Ilene Shapiro urged Please see Dr. Bob, council members to
redesignate the street and create a historical
marker. ''I think it's a lovely tribute to his memory,'' she said.
The city didn't want to rename Olive because of the inconvenience this would
cause to St. Thomas staff who have
documents printed with the current street name, said Deputy Mayor Dave
Lieberth. Signs with the new designation will be
added on Olive at Main, Howard and Schiller Avenue after a ceremony June 14
at St. Thomas.
Stephanie Warsmith can be reached at 330-996-3705 or
swarsmith@thebeaconjournal.com .
Or go the the site directly
http://www.ohio.com/news/94046929.html
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++++Message 6538. . . . . . . . . . . . Back issues of Markings and Box 459
From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/22/2010 5:30:00 PM
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Every issue of "Markings" is on-line on the AA
Website, and I believe, so are the last 10 years
of Box 459....
Good Luck!
-cindy miller
[This is with reference to a question which
Charlies Bishop, Jr., asked about a particular
issue of Box 459.]
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++++Message 6539. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Searching for Letter to
Alcoholic Foundation by Bill Mc...
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 12:21:00 PM
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The letter sounds like it may have been written to Margaret(Bobbie ; aka
lambie pie) Berger. If so, It may be on file at GSO Archives in NY city. You
can go there to see it or call GSO Archives and perhaps they could read you
or send you a copy of the letter. There policy won't allow it to be
photocopied
Yours'
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
Phila PA USA
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++++Message 6540. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Why was Fitz''s alcoholic
problem so complex?
From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/23/2010 1:42:00 AM
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From Roy Levin and Darice
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From: Roy Levin (royslev at yahoo.com)
Silkworth, a neurologist rather than a psychiatrist, uses terms that are
somewhat vague, and often not in the sense we use them today, e.g.
"psychopaths....they are always going on the wagon for keeps..." That's not
the ordinary sense a modern psychiatrist uses when he used the word
psychopath.
By "problem so complex" he could mean simply a very depressed alcoholic.
Fitz
M. was no different than any of a dozen early low bottom pioneers "desperate
cases" "beyond human aid."
Don't get too attached to Silkworth's descriptions,
he was a pioneer and a medical benefactor, but the experience we now have in
describing the alcoholics based on 75 years of experience is actually more
sophisticated. However, his early description of the "allergy" the phenomena
of craving and his early encouragement of Bill W. and "the altruistic
movement
growing up among them" makes him immortal in the hearts and minds of AAs,
and
will keep his section in the Big Book forever.
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From: "Jordan F"
(daricedavis at yahoo.com)
I am grateful for this question. I have some thoughts about potential
features
involved in Fitz's alcoholic problem being so complex. However, I cannot
know
of another's essential struggle. My experience, strength and hope gives me a
sense of three areas in the background material from Glenn C. which could
have
been a barrier to the spiritual awakening necessary for depth recovery.
[See original message no. 6515
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6515
from martinholmes76 at ymail.com]
Such issues certainly have shortstopped my recovery
journey when present. Perhaps they did likewise to Fitz's.
The first barrier was this member made his own diagnosis. Yes, we do
identify
ourselves each of us as alcoholic, but we are way too close to see ourselves
objectively. This is why A.A. is based on a "buddy system" of one alcoholic
talking with another alcoholic. My arrogance and egotism, represented by
acting like the "doctor" in my own case, have stood in the way of my
surrendering to God, and then talking with others like me who are alcoholic
and
listening to their view points. This was a major threat to my staying H.O.W.
--
Honest, Open, and Willing.
This is a "we" program ... we help each other, we work together, we are of
service to others. Each of us don't go off in our little corners and figure
out
our own stuff by ourselves. We seek out each other and do outreach to get
others input. I don't ever have to go through all the circumstances that
brought me to A.A. alone ever again.
The second barrier was this member marked his case hopeless. It's never
helpful
for me recovery when I put on my "God suit" and take over a
pseudo-omnipotent
position like this one. That's God's job and rôle in life; not mine. I
can't
be doing my job with my life to the best of my ability when I'm seeking to
take
on God's part in this thing. God does not need my help; I need his help.
God,
as I understand God, needs me to do my part: To seek God's guidance as to
God's
will and the power to carry that will out in all my affairs.
The third barrier occurred when the individual hid himself away in the barn.
When I isolate or withdraw from others I generally am seeking to hide my
behavior from exposure and scrutiny because I know I'm on an ineffective
path.
I am in flight from reality when I am pushing people away who can otherwise
prompt and inspire me to stay in the solution regarding my life's challenges
by
what they say about their journeys in recovery. I'm pushing away help while
simultaneously acting based on self-will run riot.
And, if those three features were not trouble enough for me as I trudge on
my
path to recovery, this member described themselves as the child of a
minister.
I have heard numerous ministers in A.A. describe how their professional
affiliation as a minister had been twisted in their minds by their drinking
and/or using careers to support their disease prior to commencing a program
of
recovery.
Although I am not a minister's kid, I am a doctor's kid, and I can report
that
my mind was twisted with the extremes of entitlement and the self-serving
values
of money, property, and prestige I picked out of my affluent upbringing.
They
filled some of the empty spaces inside me until I could learn new tools
hear,
but they also stood in the way of my being teachable, too. So, I get a
special
chuckle when I hear A.A. speakers from similar circumstances describe their
particular twist on this same theme.
That's my contribution to the topic.
Warm regards,
Darice
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++++Message 6541. . . . . . . . . . . . 14th National Archives Workshop:
Macon, Georgia, Sept. 23-26
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/20/2010 8:37:00 PM
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14th Annual NAW
National Archives Workshop
Thursday September 23 - Sunday September 26, 2010
Learn how to research and write the AA story from:
MEL B.
Author of Pass It On, Ebby: The Man Who Sponsored
Bill W., New Wine, My Search for Bill W., Walk
in Dry Places, The 7 Key Principles of Successful
Recovery
BILL B.
Author of My Name is Bill W., When Love Is Not
Enough: the Lois Wilson Story, 1000 Years of
Sobriety, Sought Through Prayer and Meditation,
50 Quiet Miracles
CONFERENCE FLIER:
http://aanationalarchivesworkshop.com/
_________________________________________
YIS
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
Phila, PA
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++++Message 6542. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Why was Fitz''s alcoholic
problem so complex?
From: shakey . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 12:50:00 AM
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Where in the literature does it i.d. "fitz" as the man the doctor was
talking
about ? Fitz got drunk in a barn and went home the next morning(read his
story)
and the man Dr S talks about was rescued by a searching party at a barn.It
has
similarities yet enough difference to make me ask for documentation. Where
in
our literature is "Fitz" i.d'd as that man?
Yours in Service
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
Phila, PA USA
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++++Message 6543. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The AA version of moral
psychology
From: CBBB164@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/22/2010 1:52:00 PM
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From Cliff Bishop and Roy Levin
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From: "Cliff Bishop" CBBB164@AOL.COM (CBBB164 at AOL.COM)
It seems to me Dr. Silkworth provided his own definition of "Moral
Psychology" in offering his opinion. In the same paragraph where that term
is
used, he referred to the "powers of good that lie outside our synthetic
knowledge."
Two paragraphs later, he states, "They believe in themselves, and still
more in the Power which pulls chronic alcoholics back from the gates of
death." This is what our Program of Recovery is about. Plugging into that
Power; our Higher Power
Makes sense to me.
In God's love and service,
Cliff Bishop
214-350-1190
http://www.ppgaadallas.org/
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From: Roy Levin (royslev at yahoo.com)
My take on it was that he was using a euphemism for what we call in AA today
the "spiritual" program, or what Silkworth must have considered a
"religious"
approach. Such approaches were beyond "the synthetic knowledge" BB pg xxv of
"modern" (1930s) scientists like medical doctors. In other words,
occasionally
a drunk sobered up through the Salvation Army or Oxford Group whereas the
docs
couldn't reach them. The one line in the Big Book which I believe is a
complete exageration (for which I forgive WD Silkworth) is the line on page
xxvii (4th ed.) :" Though the aggregate of recoveries resulting from
psychiatric
effort is considerable, we physicians must admit we have made little
impression
upon the problem as a while.. Many types do not respond to the ordinary
psychological approach."
Poor Doc Silkworth, he had to give some credit to his profession. But even
today I doubt if there is an considerable aggregate of recoveries to
alcoholism
with just head shrinking. Every AA knows that a good psychiatrist, the
minute
he suspects a patient to be an alkie, will insist he go to AA meetings or
refuse
to treat the man further.
Remember Silkworth withheld his name from the first edition/first printing,
because he thought the other docs might consdier him a crackpot for allowing
Bill W. to come into Town's Hospital and talk God to the drunks. But to his
credit as a sincere healer rather than an "M-Diety" he cared for what got
his
patients well, rather than who came up with the therapy. Bill's "altruistic
movement" worked and the croakers' cures didn't, so he encouraged the AAs
and
let his name be used in future printings.
In short, "moral psychology" were the words Silkworth used because he didn't
want to come right out and say "the only thing that seems to help these
drunks
is some 'Good Ol' Time Religion." But he knew that was the only thing that
worked, and he could see that Bill and his boys could package it and pitch
it to
their fellow alkies better than any professional preachers.
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++++Message 6544. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Judge sentences man to get AA
sponsor
From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/16/2010 10:24:00 PM
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Hi: In 2007 while I was doing research in Bennington, VT I tried to find a
court record concerning Ebby's day in court, but there are no records for
the
Magistrate Court back to 1934. The only information we have relates to
Rowland
Hazzard, Sebra Graves and Shep Cornell interceding with the magistrate,
Collins
Graves, to have Ebby released to their custody instead of sentencing Ebby to
a
mental hospital as a "public nuisance". Those three were members of a local
Oxford Group and were drinking buddies (at least Sebra and Rowland were,
although Shep's inclinations are not clear). They persuaded Ebby to follow
OG
principles so his drinking could be controlled. The judge apparently did not
give Ebby such a sentence...just a release to custody. Sebra was well known
in
the community, as well as being the son of the magistrate, so it would
appear
that all were satisfied to handle the matter that way. Of course Ebby was so
convinced that the OG program was great that he also "carried the message"
to
Bill Wilson shorty thereafter.
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Much has been written about the OG influence upon Bill, but I discuss that
from
a different point of view in my forthcoming book about the "Role of Vermont
in
AA history".
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Another bit of minutia... I interviewed Van Graves during that trip. He was
Sebra's brother, and DID have the title of "Judge", and he made a very
specific
point to me that his father, Collins, was NOT a "Judge"... he was "head of a
family agency". A little family rivalry there, I guess.
Les Cole
Colorado Springs, CO
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