with members and groups.
(nuevenueve at ymail.com)
Do you know whether there are, anywhere in the world, some libraries with
specialized holdings on alcoholism, AA material, other recovery programs,
addictions and all related items?
Maybe some of the pharmaceutical companies, but libraries where the general
public can have access to the books.
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++++Message 6414. . . . . . . . . . . . re: Libraries with major holdings on
alcoholism
From: Charlie C . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/26/2010 9:27:00 AM
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One simple and freely available way to see what libraries have is to use
http://www.worldcat.org/. This is the free public version of a shared
cataloging
database long used by public, academic and other libraries. You can do
searches
and narrow down to libraries in your zip code region etc.
Most libraries are open to the public, but it is always a good idea to call
first re access and hours - the worldcat service above gives contact info.
Some
college libraries allow borrowing of books by community users, generally by
purchasing some sort of courtesy user card, fees vary - we charge $25 a year
where I am.
You can also get books from other libraries through inter-library loan - use
the
worldcat record info to make your request thru your local public library.
Depending on the library, they may charge a small fee for each request.
Charlie C.
IM = route20guy
"A flittin stane gaithers nae fog"
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++++Message 6415. . . . . . . . . . . . Group Avoids Politics of Alcohol
From: Fiona Dodd . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/26/2010 1:52:00 AM
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"Group Avoids Politics of Alcohol," by STEVEN CARROLL
AN ABILITY to avoid the politics surrounding alcohol consumption and a
leadership structure described as "benign anarchy" are two of the reasons
why Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) has thrived since it arrived here over 70
years ago, according to the author of a new book on the group.
Trinity College Dublin academic Shane Butler said the AA's "inverted
pyramid" style of governance has helped it to avoid many of the pitfalls
that political and religious institutions have encountered since it was
established here in 1946.
"They don't get distracted by institutions," he said. "What they have done
is kept their eye on the ball from a point of view of following its only
purpose - to help people who are absolutely flattened by alcohol
consumption.
"It survived through a policy of never getting involved in alcohol politics
. . . they don't contribute to debate or try to tell you whether or not the
pubs in Limerick should be open on Good Friday or anything like that."
While researching the book, Benign Anarchy - Alcoholics Anonymous in
Ireland, Mr Butler said he learned that the concept of alcoholism was little
known when returning Irish-American Conor Flynn moved here to help establish
a branch of the AA in 1946.
"He was told by the public that there were no alcoholics in the Free State
and that you might have found some if you'd gone up to the North."
Mr Butler said the AA, which has no direct leadership but simply follows a
spiritual 12-step programme, seemed destined to collapse. "It's a bit like
comparing it to the Fenians in 19th-century Ireland or modern-day organised
crime," he said.
"It looks like it couldn't survive as there's no leadership or top-level
telling local cumanns what to do, but it has worked and proved itself
extremely robust."
At the launch of the book last night, Diarmaid Ferriter, professor of modern
Irish history at UCD, said the AA intersected health and religion and was
one of few things to arrive here between the 1940s and 1960s that was not
challenged by then archbishop of Dublin, Dr John Charles McQuaid.
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++++Message 6416. . . . . . . . . . . . When Love Is Not Enough, premier
Irvington NY, April 25
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/5/2010 9:53:00 PM
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From: "Stepping Stones, the historic home of Bill and Lois Wilson"
(info at steppingstones.org)
"When Love Is Not Enough: The Lois Wilson Story"
Irvington Town Hall Theater
85 Main Street
Irvington, New York 10533
Special showing with the author Bill Borchert as our guest. Question and
answer
with the author, archival exhibit, refreshments.
The program begins at 8 p.m., Sunday, April 25, 2010; the video begins at 9
p.m.
Free admission, no reservation needed, but seating is limited, so get there
early.
Drive or take Metro-North Railroad to Irvington (on the east bank of the
Hudson
River, north of the Bronx and Yonkers).
For more information, go to http://www.steppingstones.org or call (914)
232-4822.
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OR WATCH IT AT HOME
Hallmark Hall of Fame
WHEN LOVE IS NOT ENOUGH
Winona ryder and Barry Pepper
CBS Television
Sunday, April 25, 2010
9:00 p.m. Eastern time
8:00 p.m. Central time
The video "is based on the true story of the tested but enduring bond
between
Bill and Lois Wilson, respective co-founders of Alcoholics Anonymous and
Al-Anon
Family Groups.
In 1914, Lois Burnham, a young woman from an affluent family, fell in love
with
Bill Wilson, a young man of modest means. They married in 1918, and after
his
return from war, they set out to build a life together.
While Lois worked, Bill struggled to find his niche. She believed he was
destined for greatness, and despite his increasing reliance on alcohol, she
showered him with love and support. After brief periods of success, Bill's
addiction to alcohol spiraled out of control until his job, their lifestyle
and
their dreams were gone.
In late 1934, after years of covering for Bill and trying to manage his
illness
by herself, Lois witnessed Bill get and stay sober - not because of her but
with
the support of fellow alcoholics.
As Bill attained lasting sobriety and co-founded AA, Lois was surprised to
feel
neglected, isolated and resentful. She was not alone in these feelings.
There
were many - wives, husbands, sisters, brothers - whose lives and
relationships
had been devastated because of their loved ones' alcoholism. With them she
began to apply the principles of AA to her own emotional recovery and
co-founded
Al-Anon Family Groups in 1951.
Together Lois and Bill Wilson nurtured movements that have helped millions
of
people around the world. And together they've given the world a noble and
inspiring love story."
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++++Message 6417. . . . . . . . . . . . 1970 copy of This Is AA pamphlet
From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/4/2010 8:12:00 PM
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Has the pamphlet "This Is AA" changed between
it first being published in 1970 and now? Does
anyone know where a copy of the 1970 pamphlet
can be viewed?
Thanks,
Chris
Raleigh, NC
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++++Message 6418. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Bob on Anonymity
From: Craig Keith . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/3/2010 9:08:00 PM
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Is this in fact anything that Dr. Bob actually
wrote or spoke, in these exact words? Or is this
somebody else trying to put their own words into
Dr. Bob's mouth?
I've searched the group message archives trying
to find some valid historical source where it
is attributed to Dr. Bob, but without success:
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"Since our Tradition on anonymity designates the exact level where the line
should be held, it must be obvious to everyone who can read and understand
the
English language that to maintain anonymity at any other level is definitely
a
violation of the Tradition.
The AA who hides his identity from his fellow AA by using only a given name
violates the Tradition just as much as the AA who permits his name to appear
in
the press in connection with matters pertaining to AA.
The former is maintaining his anonymity above the level of press, radio, and
films, and the latter is maintaining his anonymity below the level of press,
radio, and films-whereas the Tradition states that we should maintain our
anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films."
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If Dr. Bob actually DID say this, in these exact
words, can someone give the historical source?
With gratitude,
Craig Keith
Wimberley, Texas
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++++Message 6419. . . . . . . . . . . . Article by Bill W. or Dr. Bob on
corrections?
From: priscilla_semmens . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/2/2010 9:18:00 AM
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Did Bill W. or Dr. Bob ever write an article
about carrying the A.A. message to corrections
facilities? (Prisons, jails, penitentiaries,
detention facilities, etc.)
Thanks for your help
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++++Message 6420. . . . . . . . . . . . Modern A.A. success rate
From: jim.alhandy . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/1/2010 1:37:00 AM
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Dear A.A. History Lovers, my name is Jim Alhandy
and I have been a sober member of A.A. since
1-2-90. I know I am supposed to stop fighting
anything or anyone, but this one has me ready
to go to the mountain. It is a question that
has the hair on the back of my neck standing on
edge.
Three times in two days, I heard at three different
meetings, that there is literature out of New York
that states only "2 or 3% of the people that come
to A.A. stay sober."
I read A.A. literature and do not believe this
is in print in any A.A. literature anywhere. The
Big Book says in the forward, on page xx, that
"of Alcoholics who came to A.A. and really tried,
50% got sober at once," and as you know it says
on page 58, "Rarely have we seen a person fail
who has thoroughly followed our path...."
To me the key words are "and really tried" and
"thoroughly followed". I have definitions of my
own for those two terms.
I truly believe with all my heart, that it is my
job, as a sober member of A.A., to give the new
members of A.A. hope, PERIOD.
Please tell me that there is nothing in print
from A.A. that says only "2 or 3% stay sober".
I disagreed and contradicted by saying, "The
Big Book is correct. It is correct today as it
was correct when it was printed. If anything,
it was underestimated. It has been my experience
that 85 or 90% of people that "really tried"
stay sober.
I love A.A. Please help me. Please respond to
(jimalhandy at gmail.com).
Thank You,
Jim Alhandy
See you in Texas
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++++Message 6421. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Modern A.A. success rate
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/5/2010 11:08:00 PM
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Jim,
You are certainly correct. There is absolutely no literature coming from the
New
York GSO stating that only "2 or 3% of the people that come to A.A. stay
sober."
If you want further verification, phone New York and ask them for yourself:
A.A. General Services Board, 475 Riverside Dr Ste 832, New York, NY.
Phone 212-870-3400
And you might write their phone number down on a piece of paper, and hand it
to
anybody you run into who is repeating that kind of nonsense. Because as you
say,
it that false statement were true, it would cut the heart out of AA's
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