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HELLO CELMAIL.
Sorry for the tardiness but it was unavoidable. I¹m not even taking time

to read this before sending it. I¹ll get to read it along with the rest of

you later this week. Thanks to Debbi (my better half) for compiling the

newsletter this week.


Steven Grossfeld - Moderator

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THE FOLLOWING ARE NEW

POSTINGS BY CELMAIL MEMBERS:

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Hi Steve & fellow cel-mates!
I was wondering is anyone knew if there is a comprehensive resource on

Disney limited editions available? About 5 years ago, I purchased (at

Disney World) a limited edition cel. It features Winnie the Pooh, taken

from scene 400 of "Winnie the pooh and the blustery day", in which pooh and

the whole gang are seated at a long table celebrating the "hero party". I

have search all over the internet, but I can't find any references to this

particular image. It was an LE of 500, but I'm just amazed that no online

retail galleries have it (I was just wondering what the retail value of

this piece was).
I'd be interested in knowing if there are any books/web sites that a) list

all Disney LE's, and b) might give some info as to whether they¹re sold

out, "on alert" or approximate value. thanks for any help/info you might

have.
And thank you Steve for the countless hours you must put into the CELMAIL

project....I've subscribed from quite a while, and although I have not

posted much, I am always delighted to see CELMAIL show up in my inbox!!

The "hobby" will never be in danger so long as their are people like you!

Thanks Again

ike Cullinan mike@computerdiscovery.com

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THE ART OF WARNER BROS. ANIMATION

January 20 through April 1, 2001

Education Gallery and Garden Court Gallery

Warner Brothers became the first cartoon-makers of any kind to be given a

full-scale retrospective by New York's Museum of Modern Art (MOMA).

Organized by the Paris-based Dara Group, Inc., this traveling exhibition is

an enhanced and modified version of the MOMA show touted by Time Magazine

as featuring "...some of the top film artists and pleasure givers of the

past half-century." This educational exhibition, sure to delight the young

and the young at heart, is a comprehensive overview of the legendary

Hollywood animation studio of Warner Bros.
Dear Steve,

I was there as a tourist and wanted to pass this to the members.It was

advertised in a weekly Honolulu magazine.

Yours,


ElizabethMei Wong

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I was sorry to see the attack on the moderator regarding his comments on

Ebay about misrepresentation. Animation is constantly misrepresented on

Ebay, to put it in the most favorable light, and those of us that love the

hobby hate to see that because newbies then are afraid to buy because they

don't know what they are getting.
I have a one of a kind cel of Mickey Mouse from the 1935 "On Ice" on an

original Production Background that I will sell for $2000. Of course I

would also sell it for $40 because in fact it is a sericel and the

Background is production but has nothing to do with "ON ICE" Everything I

said in the description was truem yet it is pretty obvious I'm trying to

make you think it is something it is not. That is all Steve was pointing

out as he started taking "bullets" :>) I hope that we can use this site

to exchange information that will make all of us more knowledgeable about

animation and help maintain a hobby of a dying art form.
Ultimately I would love to see posting by older animators passing on the

history to us, as well as information that will make it easier for us to

collect. At the very least I would hope people attack me rather than

Steve because when Steve leaves we have nothing.

Best Frank Svoboda Fsvobod1@san.rr.com

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EBAY CHATTER:
HEY HEY HEY!!!
Markets are self forming - for years collectors and (dare I say) 'pickers'

"in the know" bought and sold through bilateral agreements, loosely knit

arrangements by phone and word of mouth - eventually meeting at conventions

and clubs.... over the course of time dealers stepped in and arbitraged the

process capitalizing on lack of price transparency and fungibility of

demanded goods... yet markets were very decentralized and a person in Des

Moines couldn't find a something in Fla without the right contacts..... yet

these pockets of demand expanded the diversity of participants -

collectors, investors, cross category collectors, and just mom and pop or

nostalgia buffs....


Then the dawning of EBAY - just like the commodity exchanges in NY and

Chicago - the trade moved off of the street corners and EBAY provided price

transparency, fungibility and unlimited access to a world of participants -

for some goods prices went up as there was easier entry and stimulated

demand (pez) - for others price pressure went down as the small collector

base competed with each other for the cherries and then faded (animation

cels).
Two years ago you could see Jay Ward heavily bid on EBAY - now the same

cels fall flat.. often unbid, but that eye open 50% of cel quisp and quake

will still command top dollar as does the monster cereal cuys with product

on the same cel - the market participants gets educated. Gang, its just

supply and demand - one only needs to look at the Calif electricity market

to see that the incumbents that had an edge - are losing market value to

those with know how in a free market ENRON grows PGE goes bankrupt -

sooooooooo if I want I can buy a 50$ cel on ebay - and also a 1500$ cel

that might have been marked three years ago as 'one of a kind' a Sothebys

at 5000$ - man that's what free markets are about - stop whining find more

creative ways to make a buck if the margins are shrinking and price

transparency and access to DARE I SAY collector to Collector markets are

creating a smarter buyer - and damn if you DO get ripped off - give a

negative rating - write a nasty gram - and post the item on EBAY with the

truth and maybe you will get that bid to cut your losses. OR are you still

arguing why PETS.com stock should be worth 300$ - cause you paid $250. The

21st century is about a commoditized commerce - and this email chain has

some of the smartest TRADERS in the industry. And ebay at times is our wall

street journal or CNBC.

Always looking for older Commercial/Advertising Animation Cels with product

or recognizable Icon.... (at fair ebay prices)
Buy the way you left "Mice Ducks and Wabbits" off of great ebay sellers....

also mark and frumpkin have been fair to me - although they always over

package and matt.
Sid or bidder 'squidzilla'

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THE FOLLOWING ARE REPLIES

TO PREVIOUS POSTINGS

BY CELMAIL MEMBERS:

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Jonathan Ellis wrote; "I avoid - Mfrumkin@earthlink.net reason does not

take responsibility for his errors"
Well Jonathon, you must have really got up his nose as my experience with

Nickel Animation is the exact opposite. Mike made a mistake and sent me

the wrong Flintstone sericel. As soon as he was notified he offered a full

refund. To save the hassle of transporting the cel, and as my wife loved

it anyway, I suggested to Mike that we liked a Ducktales production cel and

as compensation he let us have it for half the advertised price. This was

no problem for him and we duly purchased the Ducktales cel. Now that's

what I call accepting responsibility for your error.


And if you think I'm in anyway connected with Nickel, think again. I live

in Australia and the Nickel purchase was our first on-line transaction.


Regards to all cel-nuts (can we hang them on the ceiling?) -

Craig Brown pursya@tpg.com.au

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If you do get ripped off, make the best of the situation. Ask yourself



what you did wrong. It may turn out that you did everything right and

still got taken. It happens! Whatever you do, do not be embarrassed that

you purchased a dud. (It really does happen to all of us.) By all means,

talk about your experience here in Celmail. Perhaps others can point out

something you might have missed, and we can all learn from your experience;

I sincerely doubt anyone will have a laugh at your expense.


There is an incredible store of knowledge in this forum. Use it! Don't be

shy about asking questions and always know what you're buying.


-Matt Penna

mdp1261@rit.edu

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Dear Matt, I am new to cel mail for a variety of reasons, but started



recently to read some of the things people say. I also am a big fan of

Jonathan Ellis.


However, what you said about collecting was brilliant. It made it very

clear for me and I have been collecting for 15 years. I hope more people

heed your words and take knowledge more seriously. Regards

Joe


Sunday Funnies

10010 Canoga Av. Suite B-1

Chatsworth, CA 91311

800-693-2369, Fx 818-341-9040

www.sundayfunniesllc.com

"Bringing a smile to everyone...Everyday!

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Hey Steven,


These cels you are talking about aren't Star Wars related, are they? I

strictly purchase Droids and Ewoks cels currently and have always been a

bit dubious of purchasing cels a bit due to the possibility of forgeries.
Thanks

Wayne


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Hi Wayne.


I don't believe there were any from Star Wars animation. There were a

number of Warner Bros. and a few Disney cels as well as some characters

from Leonardo Productions (Underdog, Tennessee Tuxedo).

Steven Grossfeld - Moderator

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REPLY TO Jonathan Ellis



j.ellis88@juno.com
IMPORTANT NOTE
Jonathan- I think that you hastily gave ALL4CASH a high

recommendation. My wife just bid on a $300 limited edition cel from

ALL4CASH. We live in San Diego and he sells out of Sherman Oaks. Normal

shipping is the same zone runs around $10 or even $12 by UPS with

insurance. Alan Kleiman (ALL4CASH) sent her an email and indicated that he

wanted to charge a whopping $35 for just the shipping and insurance, an

additional profit of almost $25 over the bid price. I would like all my

CELMAIL recipients to be aware of the absurd fees being charge by

ALL4CASH.
HIGH RECOMMENDATION: GREMLIN Animation- I HAVE HAD A FEW GREAT

TRANSACTIONS WITH Steve AND Debbi G. @ Gremlin Animation. I look forward

to dealing with them in the future.
PALDOC@aol.com

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>>vegallery@aol.com (Van Eaton)

hllowery (Howard Lowery)

pffanatic (former Hanna-Barbera employee)

Lainzberg (Gallery Lainzberg)

All4Cash ( have not bought from but always corrects mistakes I point out to

him)

Cartoonshop (Stay Tooned Gallery)



Disada@cyberus.ca

celblock (sells auction book compilation)


Satisfactory transactions

Cartoonclassics


I avoid
Mfrumkin@earthlink.net reason does not take responsibility for his errors

Mark@animationart.com reason does not make corrections to obviously

erroneously information even when shown back up documentation.
Thank you for helping to clarify and sift through the sellers of animation

art on Ebay. This is a long time coming. I too have had questionable

dealings with mark@animationart.com and am convinced I have been ripped

off. I appreciate your candor.

Thanks again
N E L L A C I T I N O

citino@wpt.org

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Hello,
I'm currently auctioning,on E-Bay,a 1960's production cel and background



from the original 1960's Jetsons series. The (2) cels are hand inked and

come with a background. I have traced them to the 1963 episode "Rosie's

Boyfriend". I sat through EVERY original series cartoon to find it. Luckily

the series was only on for one year. The cels and background appear to be a

minute or so apart. Both are trimmed to 9 by 11 inches. Matted and framed.

I have the cartoon on tape and will include it at auction's end if the

buyer desires. Here's the link.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1120291418
Thank you

Dan Browne

celfan@yahoo.com
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HEY COLLECTORS!


This week we are showcasing more fun and unusual animation! Faye from

Cowboy Bebop, Satsuki and Mei from My Neighbor Totoro, Wings of

Honnemaise, some Heavy Metal, a great Pooh, a teensy humans cel from

Planet of the Apes, the boy from The Cat in the Hat and a one of a kind

end title Hanna Barbera cel from Goober and the Ghostchasers! To check

this batch of images out go to the URL below!


http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201

Or to see a specific image cut and paste the address after the description!


Here's some anime to check out! (American following it, keep reading!)
FAYE drawing from COWBOY BEBOP. Terrific head and shoulders 9x9.5 image

fills the paper! This title is a big favorite now! $35

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/A862JA2faye2.jpg
WINGS OF HONNEMAISE drawing of the Christian lady's daughter. This unusual

film from the early 1990's is well respected by anime fans - art from it is

nearly never seen. Waist-up 7x6.5 upbeat image. Here's a great chance! $50

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/A758JAhonne1.jpg


SATSUKI, MEI AND NEIGHBOR BOY cel from MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO. Presented on a

color copy background from the movie but not matching. They are all

walking along, Mei has the ear of corn in her arms and is facing away.

Although all are knees-up (5.5x6), Mei does have her one foot up and you

get a glimpse of that cute little sandal, back of her dress and pony

tails! $325

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/30MZ3satsukimei3.jpg
A personal note about MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO: IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS MOVIE,

RUN TO YOUR VIDEO STORE AND RENT OR BUY IT. I am in love with this movie -

it has a simple charm and whimsy that is absent from nearly all new

productions. You don't have to have any interest in other Japanese

cartoons - it stands alone. And then if you like it, see Kiki's Delivery

Service, by the same person, Hayao Miyazaki. This is from a lover of

cartoons point of view. From an art collecting point of view I have to

warn you - DON'T HATE ME FOR MAKING YOU SEE THIS MOVIE AND THEN WANTING

ART FROM IT THAT CAN'T BE FOUND. Miyazaki art is getting very hard to

find from any title and is generally on par with classic Disney as far as

prices are concerned. Still, good animation should experienced and

enjoyed!


And now for the American art this week!
PROFESSOR ANRAK and REPORTERS cel from HEAVY METAL, 1981 (So Beautiful, So

Dangerous segment.) He coldly pushes his way through a crowd of reporters

(outside the Pentagon.) Knees-up 9x12 image. There is some yellowed tape

along the bottom above the production codes - you can see it on the scan.

This scene is a great frame with attitude and motion! $85

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/411HM5anrak5.jpg


TAARNA (looking up and away from us, hips-up) and BARBARIAN LEADER on his

FLYING GARGOYLISH PREHISTORIC BIRD (both full figure) from HEAVY METAL,

1981. Overall image size 8x12.5. We just got this one for sale. I can

find a good color copy background to go with this if you'd like! $285

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/EPtaarnabarb1.jpg
BILL HUDSON AND 10 HUMAN SLAVES ON A RAFT cel from RETURN TO THE PLANET OF

THE APES cartoon. This image also has some water effects around the raft.

You also ought to know that the acetate is large. Small (2x3.5) but

cheap! $30 http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/AT667raft1.jpg


BOY cel from THE CAT IN THE HAT, 1971. Presented on a hand-prepared

background and cel overlay (done by someone in the industry we are friends

with.) From the outrageous, out-of-hand "he's a cat of many countries,

he's a cat of many hats" CAT, HAT sequence with a crazy red and white

background and hats spilling everywhere (remember, done to go with the

cel.) The boy (he is never named as far as I know, the books are from

his point of view) is 5.5x3, eyes closed, partially covered by hats

overlay. You've got to have a look! I LOVE IT! $185

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/334DPboy1.jpg
WINNIE THE POOH trimmed cel (11x12.5 from an original 16 field size) from

...HONEY TREE, 1966. Presented on a hand-prepared background (done by a

friend in the industry.) Pooh is a small full figure (2.5x2) happily

bouncing along the POOH BE... letters. This is a special one! $475

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/492WDPpooh1.jpg
GOOBER AND THE GHOST CHASERS END TITLE CEL, 1973. In yellow letters A

HANNA-BARBERA PRODUCTION copyright 1973, with a great RCA logo and really

tiny group shot of the characters and the title - check out the detail!

Overall image size of title 5x7, very smartly double matted. THIS IS A ONE

OF A KIND!!!! $385

http://members.aol.com:/arttoonsart/CM31201/547HBPgoober1.jpg


If you have any questions about the above pieces, just ask anytime! If

you'd like a catalog let us know and we'll mail you one (we'll need your

mailing address.) THANKS SO MUCH for having a look at this posting!
HAVE A GREAT WEEK, CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR FROM YOU!
Mary Anne Ergezi

Art-Toons Since 1990 Love Cartoons?! Contact Art-Toons!!

PO Box 670600

Northfield, OH 44067 USA

1(888) 468-2655 toll free

1(330) 468-2655 phone

1(330) 468-2644 fax

ArtToonsart@aol.com ebay user ID: art-toons

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