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have that with me.
Mr CONLAN: Okay.
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Question on Notice No 7.22
Mr CHAIRMAN: Is that going on notice? Please repeat the question.
Mr CONLAN: Yes. If possible, could the department please provide the occupancy rates for sobering-
up shelters across the Territory? All of it.
Mr CHAIRMAN: For the purpose of Hansard, I allocate that question No 7.22.
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Mr CONLAN: There is a whole lot more here, but I know we have to keep going. I have to get to the
other one, so …
A WITNESS: If you require a briefing after the estimates, I am happy to give you one.
Mr CONLAN: Yes, certainly. It has been an ongoing briefing with alcohol, anyway.
Mr CHAIRMAN: Any more questions for Output 4.3, Alcohol and Other Drugs Services?
Mr WOOD: No. I have, but I am not asking them.
Mr CHAIRMAN: That concludes consideration of Output 4.3, Alcohol and Other Drugs Services.
Output 4.4 – Health Research
Mr CHAIRMAN: We move on to Output 4.4, Health Research.
Mr CONLAN: Nothing for me.
Non-Output Specific Budget Questions
Mr CHAIRMAN: That concludes consideration for - no sorry no, it does not. Do you have a non-
output specific budget questions, shadow minister?
Mr CONLAN: Yes. I hope I saved it for the right thing. Can you please explain, in the capitol works,
the revoted works for the Department of Health and Families; the fire protection and air-conditioning
remediation. I understand it is, no doubt, a big job and it probably is expensive, but I am sure you
would appreciate that, last year, it was $711 000 and this year, you have allocated $38m. It is,
essentially, $37m extra for the work required at the Alice Springs Hospital. I know there are some
issues in the past with that, but are you able to elaborate or explain that very significant increase?
Mr VATSKALIS: Our problem is with the situation at Alice Springs Hospital is that, currently, we are
under litigation with the company that performed the so-called remedial work. We have to actually
address each work separately, and we have to be counted from one place to another, and that will
take time. Also we keep looking for things and will keep finding things that they will not find.
Mr CONLAN: Is it possible to provide the community with a breakdown of the costs there or …
Mr VATSKALIS: As I said, we cannot because we keep looking and we keep finding things that
actually are not up to scratch, and …
Mr CONLAN: You have allocated the money, so you must have some idea on what it is going to
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cost? You are, obviously, derived this figure somehow. Are you able to provide the community with
how you have come up with this extra $37m?
Mr VATSKALIS: Yes, we can take it on notice and provide you and the committee with a breakdown
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Question on Notice No 7.23
Mr CONLAN: Okay. Would you please provide the committee with a breakdown of the amount
allocated for fire protection, air-conditioning and remediation which, this year, is to the tune of
$38.346m and …
Mr VATSKALIS: It was $38.3m and in 2008-09, an additional $32.9m was allocated.
Mr CONLAN: Yes, you have that. Rectifications works, $32.9m, but the total figure here is $38.346m.
The total figure for the program is $38.346m. At least that is what is it said in the infrastructure budget
paper. I will ask that question …
Mr VATSKALIS: We have to take it on …
Mr CONLAN: Could you please provide the committee with how you have derived this figure of
$38.346m revoted works of the previous year, which was only $711 000, and a breakdown of where
that money is to be spent or allocated.
Mr CHAIRMAN: That is question No 7.23.
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Mr CONLAN: Okay. I just need a bit of help here because I am not as experienced as many of you
over there. I was just wondering. You said the health budget is one - this is an overall budget for
$1.157bn? However, the appropriation is just $1.5483bn. So, where is the difference there, and what
is that money? I know, if you go to the balance sheet, there are asset sales and this sort of thing. Are
you able to just highlight what that difference is?
Mr VATSKALIS: David will be able to provide it.
Mr CONLAN: So it is only an appropriation of $1.5483bn?
Mr RYAN: All agencies are deficit funded in that we do not get cash appropriations for things like
depreciation. So our depreciation, from memory, is at $19m, but it is actually detailed. That is not
funded. Also, there are timing differences, where we will get a bulk of funds, particularly from the
Commonwealth, in one financial year, but we will spend it in another financial year. So they also are
appropriated in a different period, if you like, and that will create a difference between the actual
expense of the money and the actual receipt.
Mr CONLAN: So, the total expenses come in at $1.157bn?
Mr RYAN: Yes.
Mr CONLAN: But the appropriation is only $1.5483bn?
Mr RYAN: Total revenue for 2010-11 is $1.113bn.
Mr CONLAN: Is that with …
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