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members celebrate their A.A. birthdays by sending in a gratitude gift to G.S.O. - usually a dollar or two for each year of sobriety. Some groups follow this Birthday Plan by collecting contributions from members on a voluntary basis throughout the year, or until the number of dollars matches the member's total
years of sobriety. On the group's anniversary, the money collected is sent to G.S.O. as a birthday contribution. Gratitude. It's a weighty, high-dignity word, but in truth its close companions are humor and joy. As Bill W. observed early on in the Big Book (p. 132), "Outsiders are sometimes shocked when we burst into merriment over a seemingly tragic experience out of the past. But why shouldn't we laugh? We have recovered, and have been given the power to help others." What greater cause can there be for rejoicing than this?
Thanksgiving celebrations From: rick tompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/22/2009 6:09:00 PM
Fall in
Northern Illinois Area 20 without the text of a Thanksgiving Holiday appeal. NIA
AAs and/or Groups are encouraged to contribute independent funds to the Area Treasurer with suggested amounts of a dollar for each year of sobriety. The contributions are gathered in a fund that is sent as a separate Area contribution, around the first of each year, to AA World Services at GSO. This "Remember November" effort is shared as the month of Bill W.'s last hospital stay and the time of year in 1934 when Ebby T. first brought him the message of recovery. The original NIA request for anniversary contributions was called "Penny A Day
For Sobriety" and was encouraged in Novembers by Area 20 Treasurers from the 1970s through 1986, when the "Remember November" Plan was launched as its replacement. Amounts anywhere from $1,500 to $5,000 have been sent from Area 20 to AAWS every year since 1986. The totals are reported as the Area 20 response to GSO's request toward filling out the funds in its annual budgets. Individual AAs and AA Groups remain the only contributors to this independent fund. I know of Intergroups and AA Clubs who send out a formal "Thanksgiving Appeal"
envelope each year and those contributions stay at the local level. And many Districts, Groups and/or AA Club Meetings around here host marathon meetings for the Thanksgiving Holiday weekend---i.e. non-stop AA meetings every hour around the clock, for at least Thanksgiving Day or through the entire weekend. Best regards to all for a happy, safe, and sober 2009 Thanksgiving, Rick, Illinois IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6124. . . . . . . . . . . . Judge Trafton''s book on AA (written in Boston) From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/24/2009 5:11:00 PM
claimed that her great-grandfather was a judge in Boston at the time AA took hold there and wrote a book about AA that has apparently been lost by the family (she is digging through attics).
press, title is unknown, judge's last name was Trafton. Might this ring a bell for anyone? Both the Trafton name and information about such a book are unfamiliar to me, but I am hoping that someone out there in AAHL-land may be able to do better. Please pass on any related information to the list or directly to me if you prefer? Thanks to any who can give this some thought. ernie kurtz ---- Ernest Kurtz, Ph.D. Adjunct Assistant Research Scientist (than which rank there is no lower) The University of Michigan School of Medicine
Niebuhr NY times Nov 27 09 From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/28/2009 3:02:00 AM
the origins of the Serenity Prayer, adopted by Alcoholics Anonymous and reprinted on countless knickknacks, says new evidence has persuaded him to retain the famed Protestant theologian Reinhold Niebuhr as the author in the next edition of The Yale Book of Quotations.
editor
aabibliography.com - - - - THE TEXT OF THE ARTICLE: Serenity Prayer Skeptic Now Credits Niebuhr By Laurie Goodstein The New York Times November 27, 2009
Prayer,
adopted by Alcoholics Anonymous and reprinted on countless knickknacks, says new
evidence has persuaded him to retain the famed Protestant theologian Reinhold
Niebuhr as the author in the next edition of The Yale Book of Quotations. The provenance of the prayer, which begins, “God grant me the serenity to accept
the things I cannot change,” became a subject of controversy last year with the
publication of an article by the librarian, Fred R. Shapiro, who is also the editor of the book of quotations. Mr. Shapiro had found archival materials that led him to express doubt that Niebuhr was the author. But now another researcher trawling the Internet has discovered evidence that
attributes the prayer to Niebuhr. The researcher, Stephen Goranson, works in the
circulation department at the Duke University library, has a doctorate from Duke
in the history of religion and, as a sideline, searches for the origins of words
and sayings and publishes his findings in etymology journals. This month he found a Christian student newsletter written in 1937 that cites Niebuhr as the prayer’s author. The prayer in the newsletter is slightly different from the contemporary one often printed on mugs and wall plaques. It reads, “Father, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to know the one from the other.” The contemporary version puts the phrase about serenity before the one about courage, but Mr. Goranson said in an interview, “I think the 1937 document very much strengthens the probability that Niebuhr wrote it.” Mr. Shapiro agreed. “The new evidence does not prove that Reinhold Niebuhr wrote it, but it does
significantly improve the likelihood that he was the originator,” he said. He added that unless there were further discoveries contradicting that assessment, “I will list the Serenity Prayer under Niebuhr’s name in my next edition of The Yale Book of Quotations.” Niebuhr, who lived from 1892 to 1971, was a prophetic, politically attuned preacher who often spoke at universities and Y.M.C.A.’s, where he was more welcome than in the many churches that considered him too controversial. He influenced generations of theologians and political thinkers. Barack Obama said of him, “He’s one of my favorite philosophers.” The Serenity Prayer was adopted by the U.S.O. in wartime, and by Alcoholics Anonymous, which uses it in its 12-step program. But even in Niebuhr’s lifetime, he faced accusations that he was not the prayer’s author. A magazine article in 1950 quoted him as saying: “Of course, it may have been spooking around for years, even centuries, but I don’t think so. I honestly do believe that I wrote it myself.” Niebuhr’s family long maintained that he wrote the prayer in 1943, in the midst
of World War II. But using Internet search engines, Mr. Shapiro found newspaper articles, pamphlets and a book that cited versions of the prayer and dated from
as early as 1936. None of those materials attributed the prayer to Niebuhr (or,
for that matter, to anyone else). As a result, Mr. Shapiro (who writes occasionally for The New York Times Magazine and the Freakonomics blog at nytimes.com) wrote an article for The Yale Alumni Magazine positing that Niebuhr might have simply codified a popular prayer that was already in circulation. The article also said: “This evidence is by no means conclusive. It is entirely
possible that Niebuhr composed the prayer much earlier than he himself later remembered.” But Niebuhr’s family, and many of his former students and adherents, were outraged. His daughter, Elisabeth Sifton, who had written a book called “The Serenity Prayer: Faith and Politics in Times of Peace and War” (W. W. Norton, 2003), published a rebuttal in the alumni magazine. She argued that her father had often delivered oral versions of a prayer before ever writing it down and that this prayer was quintessentially Niebuhr. She also said she had cited 1943 in her book as the date the Serenity Prayer was
first used because that was what she had heard from her parents. But had she known about the documents Mr. Shapiro found, she said, she might have cited an earlier date. The debate played out in a front-page article in The New York Times in July 2008.
publication, The Intercollegian and Far Horizons, in an article titled “What
Makes a Strong Student Christian Association.” He uncovered it in a database
search, and was able to find a paper copy in the library. He posted an item about his find on a Listserv of language scholars, and Mr. Shapiro brought it to the attention of The Times. At the end of the article is a list of 10 attributes of a strong Christian student association. The last of them is that such an association should be “inspired by the prayer attributed to Reinhold Niebuhr.” The article then gives the version of the prayer that begins, “Father, give us courage to change what
must be altered.” The article says the list is being reprinted from another newsletter, News and
Views, which Mr. Goranson said he had not been able to find in any library. In a telephone interview, Ms. Sifton said of the new find, “I think it’s an interesting small item, which confirms what I’ve thought for some time”: Niebuhr is unquestionably the author. “As every living pastor knows,” she said, “prayers evolve and change. You use
them in one service and another context, and slowly you refine the hopes and aspirations you want to express.” [A version of this article appeared in print on November 28, 2009, on page A11
of the New York edition.] - - - - ALSO SENT IN BY: Stockholm Fellowship (stockholmfellowship at gmail.com) who says "Credit restored."
(jrblair at umich.edu) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6126. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Serenity Prayer Skeptic Now Credits Niebuhr From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/29/2009 5:05:00 PM
Serenity Prayer was discovered by AA, see: http://hindsfoot.org/archive3.html AA Bulletin No. 3 (June 20, 1941) announced the discovery of what was later to be called the Serenity Prayer: "One of our New York members clipped the following from the personal column of a New York paper, and since it seems to 'hit the spot', here it is:" "God grant me the serenity to accept things I cannot change, courage to change things I can, and wisdom to know the difference." - - - - For a detailed account of what AA sources have said about the discovery of the Serenity Prayer, see:
From "Arthur" (ArtSheehan at msn.com) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1965 RE: Serenity Prayer and New York Herald Tribune From 1957 to 1999, different pieces of literature have varying accounts of the
story (sometimes contradictory): AA Comes of Age from AAWS (pg 196) 1957 Has it occurring in 1942. Wording of prayer is slightly different using the pronouns "us" and "we." In early 1942, nonalcoholic Secretary Ruth Hock left us to be married.... Just
before Ruth left, a news clipping whose content was to become famous was called
to our attention by a New York member, newsman Jack. It was an obituary notice
from a New York paper Underneath a routine account of the one who had died, there appeared these words: "God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can and wisdom to know the difference." .. Howard walked into the office. Confirming our own ideas, he exclaimed, "We ought to print this on cards and drop one into every piece of mail that goes out of here. I'll pay for the first printing."
three-line prayer. It had been torn from an unidentified newspaper and sent in by an anonymous member. She read it and was instantly struck by how much AA thinking could be compressed into three short lines. On her own, Ruth had the prayer printed on cards, and without asking anyone, she began slipping a card into each
piece of mail that went out from the Newark office. ... And in this way the Serenity Prayer became part of the AA canon, its phrases part of the alcoholic lingo.
No date is given for the letter used as a point of reference but the news article is placed in 1941 ... The prayer had found its way into the Vesey Street office shortly before that letter was written ... It was discovered in the "In Memorium" column of an early June 1941 edition of the New York Herald Tribune. The exact wording was "Mother – God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. Goodbye." Said Ruth "Jack C appeared at the office one morning, and he showed me the obituary notice with the 'Serenity Prayer.' I was as much impressed with it as he was and asked him to leave it with me so that I could copy and use it in our letters to the groups and loners. Horace C had the idea of printing it on cards and paid for the first printing." Grateful to Have Been There by Nell Wing (pg 167-168) 1992 Seems to be taken from Pass It On – has Ruth writing to a member in Washington DC on June 12, 1941
Memorium" obituary column of an early June edition of the New York Herald Tribune. The exact wording was "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. Goodbye." Some fifteen years later, reminiscing about this event, Ruth Hock Crecelius, our first non-alcoholic Secretary said: "It is a fact that Jack C appeared at the office [30 Vesey Street, Manhattan] one morning for a chat, during the course of which he showed me the obituary notice with the "Serenity Prayer." I was as much impressed with it as he was and asked him to leave it with me so that I could copy it and use it in our letters to the groups and loners... At this time, Bobbie B [who became Secretary when Ruth married in February 1942] who was also terrifically impressed with it, undoubtedly used it in her work with the many she contacted daily at the 24th St Clubhouse... Horace C had the idea of printing it on cards and paid for the first printing. ... On June 12, 1941, Ruth wrote Henry S, a Washington DC member and printer ... [she asked Henry what it would cost to print it on a small card]. Women Pioneers in 12 Step Recovery by C Hunter, B Jones and J Zieger (pgs 79-80)
1999 No mention of dates Ruth played a major part in introducing the serenity Prayer to the Fellowship. Jack C, a New York newspaperman and recovering drunk, brought a newspaper clipping to the office. It was an obituary that closed with the words: "God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change
the things we can and wisdom to know the difference." Bill and Ruth agreed with
Jack that "never had we seen so much AA in so few words." And Ruth began at once
to tuck the prayer into the letters she was sending out. Not long afterward, Horace C, an older member and friend of Bill came in with the suggestion to print the prayer on cards that could be included with all the outgoing letters.
Everyone thought it was a wonderful idea but they had no money to implement it –
so Horace personally paid to have the cards printed. I think there is a fair chance that the obituary may have been printed prior to June 1941 and it may also be from a newspaper other than the NY Herald Tribune. Cheers Arthur
++++Message 6127. . . . . . . . . . . . Need 3 A.A. pioneers to speak at San Antonio International From: schaberg43 . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/30/2009 3:09:00 PM
"A.A. Pioneers" to speak about their early experiences in A.A. at the San Antonio International Convention. The presentation will be held on Saturday, July 3rd between 1:30 and 3:00 PM –- and each speaker should be prepared to talk approximately 30 minutes. If you know someone who would qualify for this panel (i.e. 50+ years sober) AND who is already planning to attend the International in San Antonio, please contact mirzam@aa.org (mirzam at aa.org) directly about participation.
(written in Boston) From: Charlie C . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/28/2009 8:20:00 AM
free version,) and the more extensive library version, and do not see anything for a Trafton as author on AA. That doesn't mean it wasn't written, but it does mean that if it was, it does not seem to be held in any libraries, and was likely a very small run vanity press title. I also googled it, no luck, and do not see anything in abebooks.com, the major used book dealer site, so whatever this was, if it was indeed written it is quite fugitive at this point. I'll keep an eye out though!
And quit your triflin' ways 'Cause the boogerman's gonna get you one of these days Kitty Wells, Make up Your Mind, 1950 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6129. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Are there recordings of Lois Wilson speaking? From: squooze . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/26/2009 12:23:00 AM
recordings of early A.A. and Al-Anon speakers. For Lois Wilson, go to http://www.rexark.com/ and their section on Great AFG Speakers (Al-Anon Family Groups) at: http://www.rexark.com/collections/great-afg-speakers Bill and Lois, AA Convention, 1960 The Third International Conference of Alcoholics Anonymous AKA: 25th-Anniversary Convention Recorded 1960, 2 CD Booklet Remastered. The original cassette recordings were passed around for many years, and suffer from poor sound quality, even unintelligible in... For Chuck H. speaking in New Hampshire, go to their section on Great AA Men Speakers at: http://www.rexark.com/collections/great-aa-men-speakers Chuck H., from Cary, North Carolina, 2008 Chuck H., from Cary, North Carolina, was the Sunday morning speaker at the 2008 New Hampshire Alcoholics Anonymous Convention. His great sense of humor, combined with a story involving extreme loss, make for a highly-recommended...
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(barefootbill at optonline.net) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5101
AA History and Oldtimer CDs and DVDs to our store. Many of these Oldtimers came to AA in the 1930s and 1940s. - - - - Original message 5108 from (sobrietytalks at aol.com) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/messages/5108
Alcoholics Anonymous talks at www.sobrietytalks.com There's a specific category for AA history related talks and recordings made prior to 1970. - - - - Original message 3298 from Cindy Miller, Robert Stonebraker, Joe Adams, and K D Dew http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3298
Talks") of Lois from Dicobe Tapes. Joe Adams says: I download many many many free files in MP3 format from http://www.xa-speakers.org, including historic Bill, Bob, Lois and other key speakers. Another good library to hear things online in real-audio format from: http://www.aaprimarypurpose.org/speakers.htm. K. D. Dew says: I know of one free recording try this link: http://www.aaprimarypurpose.org/speakers.htm
http://amottapes.com/ but they charge
From: nuevenueve@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/8/2009 8:10:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello Group: When googling Jellinek chart images one gets inverted bell-type curves with labels on the negative slope matching more or less to the 45 disease phases or stages. My question is, Was the "recovery zone" (positive slope)also provided/studied by Jellinek or is this a product of later experience? Thank you. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6132. . . . . . . . . . . . Cassette tape to digital conversion From: Edward . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/8/2009 8:59:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII After the New Year, I will have a more open schedule that allows me time for service work, and recently got my equipment for transferring cassette tape recordings to MP3 digital format working well (see my recent reply to query regarding Al-Anon/Lois W. recordings). Anyone who would like tapes converted to digital format, please reply to this message at: elg3_79@yahoo.com (elg3_79 at yahoo.com) I regard this as a service commitment and do not charge. YIS Ted G., Roanoke, VA IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6133. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Jellinek chart From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2009 11:23:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII All the information for what is called the "Jellinek Chart" was derived through the AA Grapevine in 1945 and 1946.
Starts Its Twenty-First Year": JELLINEK'S "PHASES." In April, 1945, the Grapevine broke new ground. We published a questionnaire designed by the late beloved and distinguished Dr. E. M. (Bunky) Jellinek, then head of the Yale (now Rutgers) Center of Alcohol Studies, and asked AA members to make a contribution to science by mailing in the questionnaire anonymously. Hundreds did, and this is the origin of Dr. Jellinek's famous chart, "Phases of Alcohol Addiction," later distributed throughout the world and generally conceded to be one of the most important pieces of research ever done in the whole field of alcoholism.
"A.A.s TO BE ASKED FOR INFORMATION" A.A.s will be invited shortly to assist, insofar as the filling out of the questionnaire and collecting data, on a nationwide basis, in a new educational project aimed at accumulating new information which may help potential alcoholics to avoid going across the line into alcoholism. The origins of the new project go back more than a year to a meeting of the Greenwich Village Group in New York City at which the question was raised as to whether the life of an alcoholic could be charted in graph form. The group debated whether a graph could be prepared which would give any indication of averages relating to the progress of alcoholism, of averages relating to age, home environment and other circumstances, and of averages pertaining to the behaviorism of an alcoholic.
the data needed for a graph would be a questionnaire, and that even if the undertaking did not yield any information of use outside the Group it would form the basis of stimulating discussions and self-analysis while being prepared.
the New York metropolitan area. When the questionnaires were finally collected, filled in, the information they contained seemed to have some degree of pertinence. Members of the sponsoring Group, however, did not feel qualified to evaluate the data themselves. Consequently, they sent the questionnaires to Dr. E. M. Jellinek, director of the Summer School of Alcohol Studies at Yale University, for an appraisal because of his wide experience in research and the gathering of information by the questionnaire method.
data it might yield was enthusiastic. If the questionnaires were revised and expanded to include certain areas of information overlooked in the original questionnaire, Dr. Jellinek said he thought it might well be the source of some of the most valuable data collected to date on alcoholism.
through A.A. membership would be the complete reliability of the information obtained. He pointed out that no group of people could be found more thoroughly qualified to discuss alcoholism and that as A.A.s "they can be depended upon to be completely frank and honest in their efforts."
throughout the country. Quotas will be sent to the secretaries of the various groups with the request that all individual members be invited to participate in the project by filling out the questionnaires, which of course will be unsigned and thereby preserve the A.A. principle of anonymity. Most appealing to members of A.A. will be the fact that one of the chief hopes and expectancies is that the data obtained from the questionnaires will provide a new and still more complete set of warning signals by which potential alcoholics will be able to determine how far along the road they have come and by which even "social drinkers" will be able to gauge whether they have any tendencies which need to be watched or restrained. Evidence which can be used as a preventive of alcoholism is an objective which, it is felt, will enlist the interest of all A.A.s in the project. A preliminary report on the nature of the data indicated in the original questionnaire is to be published soon as an explanatory preface to distribution of the new questionnaire.
Questionnaire" Hillhouse Press (432 Temple Street, New Haven 11, Conn.) announces the publication of Phases in the Drinking History of Alcoholics by Professor E. M. Jellinek of Yale University. This work, constituting Memoir No. 5 in a series of reports of studies conducted by the Section of Studies on Alcohol of the Yale University Laboratory of Applied Physiology, presents the analysis of a questionnaire survey conducted among members of Alcoholics Anonymous by their own official organ, The A. A. Grapevine. Professor Jellinek, the author, is a leading authority' in scientific research on alcoholism and director of the School of Alcohol Studies at Yale.
born in New York City and died at the desk of his study at Stanford University on 22 October 1963.
complex sets of biological statistics about anything (trees, plants, or in this case alcoholics) and spotting patterns in the data.
of Applied Physiology at Yale University. In 1952 he was engaged by the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva as a consultant on alcoholism. Upon his retirement from WHO, in 1958 he joined the Psychiatry Schools of both the University of Toronto and the University of Alberta, and in 1962, he moved to Stanford University in California, where he remained until his death. Among the well-known AA figures who studied with Jellinek and applied his principles to their work with alcoholics, were Mrs. Marty Mann (founder of the National Council on Alcoholism and one of the major popularizers of the disease concept of alcoholism), William E. Swegan http://hindsfoot.org/essays.html (chief spokesman for that wing of early AA which emphasized the psychological aspects of the program rather than the spiritual), and Searcy Whalen http://hindsfoot.org/BSV02Psy.html in Dallas, Texas, who helped keep Ebby Thacher sober for longer than anyone else had. Beginning in 1949, Searcy established alcohol hospitals (the predecessor of today’s drug and alcohol treatment centers) in three Texas cities -- Lubbock, Dallas, and Houston -- and in Carlsbad, New Mexico. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6134. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Jellinek chart From: john wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2009 2:53:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From John Wikelius and Jon Markle - - - - From: john wikelius (justjohn1431946 at yahoo.com) I have the book "The Disease Concept of Alcoholism" 2d printing dated December 1962. There are no charts shown in this volume. - - - - From: Jon Markle (serenitylodge at mac.com) The Jellinek curve is no longer accepted by most scientists as legitimate. Apparently the methods used to compile the chart are suspect and not supported by any current study methods. Jon Markle/MA Retired Therapist & SA Counseling Dual Diagnosis/COD speciality HS Practitioner, Advisor & Case Consultations Raleigh, NC 9/9/82
++++Message 6135. . . . . . . . . . . . Picture of the Jellinek chart From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2009 6:24:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: David Jones (jonesd926 at aol.com) Here is a link to the Jellinek chart as it was portrayed by the Alcoholism Council of Greater Los Angeles. This drawing appears in the book "Ministering to Alcoholics" by John E. Keller, Augsburg Publishing House, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1966.
God bless Dave
++++Message 6136. . . . . . . . . . . . Another picture (color) of the Jellinek Curve From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2009 6:40:00 PM
(jonesd926 at aol.com) Here is another link: http://bp1.blogger.com/_Eqntjja134w/SEYGzZmccfI/AAAAAAAAACk/44OLgiO1Ri0/s160 0-h/\
God bless Dave
++++Message 6137. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Picture of the Jellinek chart From: Doug B. . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2009 6:42:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII They also called it the "Jellinek Curve." Here is another place online where it can be seen: http://www.aahistory.com/aa/jellinekcurve.gif Doug Barrie www.aahistory.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6138. . . . . . . . . . . . Silkworth: The Little Doctor who Loved Drunks From: Stephen . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2009 8:25:00 PM
topic for this thread but I have exhausted my resources looking for a copy of
Who Loved Drunks: The Biography of William Duncan Silkworth, M.D." (Center City, Minnesota: Hazelden, 2002). Aside from paying the $61 to $200 which Amazon and http://www.abebooks.com/ are asking. Could someone email me if they have a copy they could lend me? My email address is: "Stephen" (saberle at comcast.net) I will be happy to pay shipping or if you are local in New Jersey, I could meet you at a meeting of your choice.
From: jrobbins1123 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 12:02:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone have any data outlining the cost of the Big Book in Mexico, in England and in Russia?
From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 8:20:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Do you have any sitations of online articles or references to journals which discuss the Jellinek curve and its fall from legitimacy?
theory would be appreciated. I would suspect that the anonymous responses was one of the primary reasons that this is not supported by any current methodology, but would be interested in seeing discussions surrounding this and what current methodologies have been used.
Jim > > > - - - - > > From: Jon Markle > (serenitylodge at mac.com) > > The Jellinek curve is no longer accepted by > most scientists as legitimate. Apparently the > methods used to compile the chart are suspect > and not supported by any current study methods. > > Jon Markle/MA > Retired Therapist & SA Counseling > Dual Diagnosis/COD speciality > HS Practitioner, Advisor & Case Consultations > Raleigh, NC > 9/9/82 >
++++Message 6141. . . . . . . . . . . . Huxley/Wilson: what is leuko-adrenochrome? From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 4:52:00 AM
NYC;
16 September 1960): "... Yesterday I lunched with Bill Wilson who spoke enthusiastically of his own
experiences with leuko-adrenochrome and of the successful use of it on his ex-alcoholic neurotics. This really sounds like a break-through and I hope you are going ahead with clinical testing. Do you have any of the stuff to spare? If so, I'd be most grateful for a sample. It might relieve my tension-pains in the lower back, as it relieved Bill's aches and those of some of his friends. I wd like too to be able to send a few pills to Laura, who has some of Bill's symptoms - tension, then exhaustion, and then tremendous drive to overcome the
exhaustion. If you and Abram have really found something that will normalise, say, 50% or even more of neurotics, you will be among the great benefactors of humanity. But of course you will be attacked by all the Freudians. They will be fighting, not only for the Master, but for their livelihood. No more ten-year analyses, no more couch-addicts. What will become of the poor fellows? My address in Cambridge will be 100 Memorial Drive, Cambridge 38, Mass, Ever yours,
Aldous." (Quoted in "Letters of Aldous Huxley"; edited by Grover Smith; Chatto and Windus, London; 1969). More, please, on "leuko-adrenochrome" - is it another term, for LSD? Who is Abram, and what became of their project? Huxley is often credited with the quotation that he believed Bill to be "the greatest social architect of the 20th century"; but as the hostile blogger Speedy0314 points out: "Oddly enough (this quote) can't be found in any of Huxley's writings or recorded interviews". So did Huxley really say or write it? Seems unlikely someone would have made it up. Laurie A. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6142. . . . . . . . . . . . Wilson, Lois copyright Ellie van V., 1998 All rights reserved From: Jim M . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2009 11:06:00 PM
Copyright holder is clearly stated in the subject line and in the file I have on hand, however, I received a disturbing email from the Director, Annah Perch, of the Stepping Stones Foundation, ready to act on behalf of the Copyright holder.
Copyright holder, Ellie van V.? I wish to open a direct line of communication with Ellie
van V. to talk with her about her title mentioned above. I believe this title is an important part of pre AA history with a glimpse into
the lives of our would be cofounders of Alcoholics Anonymous and Al-anon which
can be viewed on this page: http://www.silkworth.net/freestuff.html. Any information you can provide would be of great assistance. Your comments on the above are also welcomed and will be of great help to me in my making the right decission. If you wish, you can contact me directly by sending an email to: "Jim M" (silkworthdotnet at yahoo.com) I thank you for your continued support for the service silkworth.net provides. Yours in service, Ever greatful, Jim M, http://www.silkworth.net/ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6143. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Silkworth: The Little Doctor who Loved Drunks From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 12:44:00 PM
I called hazelden and they do not have any left either~!! I just got off the phone with the lady there again and suggested they put their older out of print books to some "print on demand" service so people could still be buying them
aabibliography.com --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" > > I apologize in advance if this is an inappropriate > topic for this thread but I have exhausted my > resources looking for a copy of > > Dale Mitchel, "Silkworth: The Little Doctor > Who Loved Drunks: The Biography of William > Duncan Silkworth, M.D." (Center City, Minnesota: > Hazelden, 2002). > > Aside from paying the $61 to $200 which Amazon > and http://www.abebooks.com/ are asking. > > Could someone email me if they have a copy they > could lend me? My email address is: > > "Stephen" > (saberle at comcast.net) > > I will be happy to pay shipping or if you are > local in New Jersey, I could meet you at a > meeting of your choice. > > Thanks in advance > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6144. . . . . . . . . . . . Liverpool AA in England From: Des Green . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/16/2009 4:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Greetings! Does anybody have any information on early Liverpool AA? Our local history archivist is putting something together and doesn't have much. Can anybody help? Best wishes Des PS My personal email is puggreen2008@yahoo.co.uk (puggreen2008 at yahoo.co.uk) Thanks! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6145. . . . . . . . . . . . Christmas greeting from Bill W. in 1944
From: Lois Stevens . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/15/2009 5:35:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII >>Subject:Christmas greeting from Bill W. and others in 1944 >> >>TO ALL MEMBERS >> >>Greetings On Our 10th Christmas >> >>1944
>> >>Yes, it's in the air! The spirit of Christmas once more warms this poor distraught world. Over the whole globe millions are looking forward to that one
day when strife can be forgotten, when it will be remembered that all human beings, even the least are loved by God, when men will hope for the coming of the Prince of Peace as they never hoped before. >> >>But there is another world which is not poor. Neither is it distraught. >> >>It is the world of Alcoholics Anonymous, where thousands dwell happily and secure. Secure because each of us, in his own way, knows a greater power who is love, who is just, and who can be trusted. >> >>Nor can men and women of AA ever forget that only through suffering did they find enough humility to enter the portals of that New World. >> >>How privileged we are to understand so well the divine paradox that strength rises from weakness, that humiliation goes before resurrection; that pain is not only the price but the very touchstone of spiritual rebirth. >> >>Knowing it's full worth and purpose, we can no longer fear adversity, we have found prosperity where there was poverty, peace and joy have sprung out of the very midst of chaos. >> >>Great indeed, our blessings! >> >>And so,-- Merry Christmas to you all-- from the Trustees, from Bobbie and from Lois and me. >> >>Bill Wilson IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6146. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Price of Big Book From: David Jones . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 2:51:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII A big book costs £8.20 in the U.K. God bless Dave
> > Does anyone have any data outlining the cost > of the Big Book in Mexico, in England and in > Russia? > >
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6147. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Picture of the Jellinek chart From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 3:24:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Doug B." > > They also called it the "Jellinek Curve." Here > is another place online where it can be seen: > > http://www.aahistory.com/aa/jellinekcurve.gif > The chart looks like the one put together by Max Glatt, an alcoholism clinician in England, and published in an addiction journal there in 1958. Only the first
half of the curve was based on Jellinek's work, but the association with the name Jellinek has stuck. Jellinek did realize the sketchy nature of the data he was using (fewer than 100
out of 1600 questionnaires sent out by the Grapevine were returned and usable,
for one thing). That may be one of the reasons he postulated 5 types of alcoholism, and said that AA members were typically of the gamma type. It provided him with an out if anyone questioned his generalizations, but didn't
stop other people from quoting him as though the gamma characteristics were universal. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6148. . . . . . . . . . . . Current use of Jellinek Charts From: RJF Bigpond . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/15/2009 7:36:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Jellinek Chart, in tabular form, were used in Project MATCH in the 1990's as part of the Twelve Step Facilitation therapy arm of that research. The book Twelve Step Facilitation therapy by Joseph Nowinski (et al) was recently republished both for individual and group therapy incorporating the charts. There are many reports on this research -- start at NIAAA. They are used extensively in treatment (at least in Australia). Jackson F. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6149. . . . . . . . . . . . Huxley/Wilson: what is leuko-adrenochrome? From: John Keller . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 3:44:00 PM
(on HUNTER THOMPSON), and Ben Hammond - - - - From: "John Keller" (keller at ociofcharlotte.com) The "Abram" referenced is probably Abram Hoffer who, along with Humphrey Osmund and others, conducted studies of hallucinogenics, including LSD and mescaline, on chronic alcoholics in Saskatchewan in the early '50s. They used the drug in order to try to induce a spiritual experience like that which Bill W reported having at the Townes Hospital. I've not seen their research results, but have heard they had some success treating this population for whom all other approaches had failed.
(jblair at videotron.ca) Megavitamin therapy advocates Abram Hoffer and Humphry Osmond claimed that adrenochrome is a hallucinogenic substance and may be responsible for schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. In what they called the "adrenochrome hypothesis", they speculated that megadoses of vitamin C and niacin could cure schizophrenia by reducing brain adrenochrome. There has been controversy about whether adrenochrome can be classified as a psychotropic drug. - - - - From: Kevin Short (kshort at oxmicro.com) To find more about leuko-adrenochrome, you may wish to search the Internet for "The Adrenochrome Hypothesis and Psychiatry" proposed by A. Hoffer, M.D. Ph.D. and H. Osmond, M.D. In fiction, HUNTER S. THOMPSON mentions adrenochrome in his novel "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas." In the book the effects are described as being like a combination of mescaline and methedrine. Kevin S. - - - - From: Ben Hammond (mlb9292 at gmail.com) Apparently the substance enhanced the effects of LSD...there are also comments on the role of Niacin in the testing of hallucinogens, a favorite subject of Bill W. Merry Christmas and God Bless, Old Ben IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6150. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Huxley/Wilson: what is leuko-adrenochrome? From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2009 5:00:00 PM
Winkelman, Doug B., and Baileygc23 - - - - From: "J. Lobdell" (jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) Bram is Abram Hoffer: I've printed below an abstract of the relevant 1959 article on leucocytic [?] adrenochrome treatment of schizophrenia (through lysergic acid diethylamide 25): Journal of Mental Science (1959) 105: 653-673. doi: 10.1192/bjp.105.440.653 © 1959 The Royal College of Psychiatrists Schizophrenia: A New Approach (Continued)* H. Osmond, M.R.C.S., D.P.M., Superintendent Saskatchewan Hospital, Weyburn, Saskatchewan A. Hoffer, Ph.D., M.D., Directors Psychiatric Research Department of Public Health, University Hospital, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan * Supported by National Health Grants, Ottawa, and the Rockefeller Foundation, New York under the auspices of the Saskatchewan Committee on Schizophrenia Research.
develop their hypothesis relating adrenaline metabolites to schizophrenia. They also discuss work done in other centres. They indicate some of the difficulties encountered not only in synthesizing adrenochrome and adrenolutin but also in working experimentally with them in human subjects. The successful synthesis of pure stable adrenochrome and adrenolutin has made chemical assay possible. Using their adrenochrome assay, they have found differences between adrenochrome metabolism in normals and schizophrenics. While these require exploration the
authors believe that their hypothesis is strong enough to warrant attention or to see whether others can confirm their findings. While adrenochrome and adrenolutin are at present the only metabolites of adrenaline which can be obtained as pure stable compounds and have psychotomimetic properties, there is suggestive evidence that others will be found. - - - - From: "sherry c. hartsell" Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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