Talmud Nazir (E)

YOURS, AND THESE ARE YOUR SACRIFICES IN PURITY.
 
    GEMARA. The Mishnah Says: TWO NAZIRITES TO WHOM SOMEONE SAYS, ‘I SAW ONE
OF YOU DEFILED, BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHICH OF YOU IT WAS [etc.]: Now why [is this
necessary]?
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 For whence do we derive all [the laws concerning] doubtful defilement [arising] in a
private domain?
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 [Is it not] from [the regulations regarding] a faithless wife?
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 [Whence it may be
in ferred that] just as in the case of a faithless wife [only] the lover and his mistress are together,
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 so
in every case of doubtful defilement in a private domain [the defilement is assumed to be definite]
only if there were but two persons present, whereas in the present instance, the two nazirites and the
one standing near
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 make three, so that it becomes [the same as] a case of doubtful defilement in a
public domain [and the rule is:] Every case of doubtful defilement in a public domain remains
clean?
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 — Rabbah son of R. Huna replied: [The Mishnah assumes that the third person] says, ‘I saw
a source of defilement thrown between you?
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 R. Ashi commented: This is also indicated [in the
language of the Mishnah]
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(1) Viz., that a nazirite must poll if he touches a bone of that size.
(2) And this was the reason that R. Akiba's argument was not accepted.
(3) Viz., that it defiles by overshadowing’.
(4) I.e., no new properties may be added by an argument to what is traditionally known.
(5) Thus the first alternative is meant.
(6) When both have completed their periods of naziriteship.
(7) One set of each kind of sacrifice.
(8) The usual period of naziriteship.
(9) Why should either of them have to take account of the possibility that he has become unclean?
(10) Viz.: That cases of doubtful defilement in a private domain are treated as if definitely unclean.
(11) Cf. Num. V, 11ff. The woman is regarded as having defiled her marital relationship and must undergo the ordeal of
the bitter waters though there is no evidence of unfaithfulness; v. Sot. 28b.
(12)  Proceedings involving the drinking of bitter waters can be taken against a faithless wife only if there is no
eye-witness of unfaithfulness; v. Num. V, 13. and Sot. 2b.
(13) Who asserts that he saw one of them become unclean.
(14) And so each nazirite should regard himself as clean and need bring no sacrifice for defilement.
(15) And the third person was at a distance, so that the conditions for a private domain were fulfilled.
Talmud - Mas. Nazir 57b
Talmud - Mas. Nazir 57b
Talmud - Mas. Nazir 57b
for it says: BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHICH OF YOU IT WAS, which proves [that he was not in
their company].
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    THEY MUST POLL AND BRING [etc.]: But why [should they be allowed to poll]? Perhaps they
are not unclean and they will [nevertheless] have rounded [the corners Of the head]?
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 -Samuel
replied: [The Mishnah is speaking] Of a woman or a minor.
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    Why does he not regard [the Mishnah] as speaking of an adult [male nazirite], the rounding of the
whole head not being considered [an infringement of the prohibition against] rounding?
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 — Since he
does not do so ,it follows that Samuel holds that the rounding of the whole head is considered [an
infringement of the prohibition against] rounding.
 
    Mar Zutra taught this exposition of Samuel with reference to a subsequent Mishnah [which reads]:
A nazirite who was in doubt whether he had been defiled and in doubt whether he had been a
certified leper may eat sacred meats after sixty days [etc.]
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 and must shave four times.
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 [But why?]
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Will he not have marred [the corners of his beard]?
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 — Samuel replied: [The Mishnah is speaking]
of a woman or a minor.
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    R. Huna said: One who rounds [the head of] a minor is guilty.
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 R. Adda b. Ahabah said to R.
Huna: Then who shaves your [children's heads]? He replied: Hoba.
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 [Rab Adda exclaimed:] Does
Hoba wish to bury her children?
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 During the whole of R. Adda b. Ahabah's lifetime, none of R.
Huna's children survived.
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 Seeing that both [R. Huna and R. Adda] hold that rounding the whole
head is [an infringement of the rule against] rounding,
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 wherein do they differ?
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 — R. Huna holds
that [the verse,] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of
thy beard,
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 [signifies] that to whomsoever marring is applicable,
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 rounding is applicable, and since
marring does not apply to women, rounding, too, does not apply to them.
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 R. Adda b. Ahabah, on
the other hand, holds that both he who rounds and he who is rounded are included [in the
prohibition],
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 the one who rounds being compared to the one who is rounded, [to the effect that]
wherever the one who is rounded is guilty, the one who rounds is also guilty. Hence, since a child is
not punishable
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 and so is not guilty [of the offence of rounding], he who rounds [the child] is also
not guilty.
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    Can we say that [the question of] rounding the whole head is the subject of [controversy between]
Tannaim? For our Rabbis have taught: Why does Scripture mention his head?
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 Since it says, ye
shall not round the corners of your heads,
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(1) For otherwise it should have read: ‘And I have forgotten which of you it was’.
(2) Which is forbidden except to a nazirite or a leper; v. Lev. XIX. 27.
(3) For whom there is no prohibition against rounding.
(4) Cf. supra 41a.
(5) Infra 59b; v. supra 55b for relevant notes.
(6) ‘And drink wine and have contact with the dead after one hundred and twenty days’, which occurs in the Mishnah is
here contracted to ‘shave four times’ after the Baraitha quoted on page 60a.
(7) Inserted with Bah, i.e., why may he shave in case of doubt?
(8) And this is forbidden (v. Lev. XIX, 27) unless he is actually a leper. The reading we have adopted is that of Rashi
and Tosaf. Our printed text has: ‘Will he not have rounded?’ in which case there is no difference between Mar Zutra and
the earlier statement. On our reading the point of Mar Zutra's statement is that we are without definite evidence of
Samuel's opinion on the subject of rounding the whole head.
(9) Who have no beards.
(10) Of transgressing the command not to round.
(11) The wife of R. Huna, who, being a woman, was not commanded not to round.
(12) If the rounding of a child's head is forbidden, it is also forbidden for a woman to round it.
(13)  Although R. Adda himself would have allowed the children's heads to be rounded even by a man (v. infra), his
unfortunate forecast proved true during his lifetime.
(14) For the point at issue was whether this was permitted in the case of a minor, but both agreed that it is forbidden with
an adult. Why does the one permit a woman to round a child and the other not allow it.
(15) What is the point at issue?
(16) Lev. XIX, 27.
(17) I.e. men who have beards.
(18) I.e., There is no penalty even if a woman rounds an adult. But a man may not round a minor.
(19) I.e., ‘Ye shall not round’ refers to both.
(20) For any offence.
(21)  Hence even an adult may round a child. Thus when R.Adda said that Hoba should not poll the children, he was
arguing on R. Huna's premises.
(22) Of the leper; although it has already said that he must shave all his hair; Lev. XIV,9.
(23) Speaking of all persons Lev. XIX,27.
Talmud - Mas. Nazir 58a
Talmud - Mas. Nazir 58a
Talmud - Mas. Nazir 58a

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