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> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1893. . . . . . . . . . . . Join the Tribe From: Ed Witte . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2004 4:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe". It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition. Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian? Any help is appreciated. Thank you IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1894. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Join the Tribe From: Bruce Lallier . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/28/2004 10:35:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Ed, he did remain sober, at least through the 70's when I saw him last. He lived in the Bridgeport Ct. area and remained active volunteering at the Bridgeport jail where I worked in the late 70's. I moved to western Pa. in the 80's and have not seen him since. He was very dedicated and well liked by all. Bruce Lallier Conneaut Lake Pa.----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Witte" To: Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Join the Tribe > One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe". > It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not > remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition. > > Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thank you > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1895. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Join the Tribe From: Jay Lawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2004 10:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I had the privilege of hearing Maynard speak at the Purdy's group. I believe that is in Westchester County. That was back around 1990 or so. It was the Purdy groups 3rd anniversary. Maynard lived up around Danbury, Connecticut. I have not heard of the whereabouts of Maynard for awhile. As for the reason of taking his story from the 4th edition I have no idea. Jay Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Join the Tribe One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe". It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition. Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian? Any help is appreciated. Thank you IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1896. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Join the Tribe From: kopnor . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2004 11:23:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Witte > One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe". > It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not > remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition. > > Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thank you His name is maynard. I don't know his last initial. He died sober a few years back. I use to see him at the Maine area Roundup. You can find out more about him by going to the biography section of the History lover's messages. His biography is there. Just look for join the tribe 2nd edition. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1897. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Join The Tribe" From: Dennis Mardon . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/28/2004 7:26:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I believe Maynard, the author of the 3rd edition Big Book story, "Join the Tribe" stayed sober. My understanding of the reason why "Join the Tribe" was removed from the 4th Big Book edition was that a fair number of native North Americans expressed the opinion to GSO that the language of the story was too stereotypical and could therefore be offensive to some members and potential members. I met Maynard in Kent, Connecticut in 1990 and recall the language of the story reflected how he actually spoke and I was disappointed at what sounded like 'political correctness' creeping into the AA committee work. Dennis M. > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:36:56 -0500 > From: Ed Witte > Subject: Join the Tribe > > One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe". > It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not > remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition. > > Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thank you IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1898. . . . . . . . . . . . Any info on blue card read at many meetings? From: victoria callaway . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/1/2004 9:01:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The blue card, a service piece is read before our meetings, and I would like if someone could back it up with some history to it? Thnaks vicki IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1899. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Any info on blue card read at many meetings? From: Arthur . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2004 10:56:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Vicki
The 'blue card'' definitions of open and closed meetings are part of a series of Conference advisory actions emphasizing AA's primary purpose. The 'blue card'' is sometimes called the 'primary purpose'' card.'' It was first recommended by the 1986 Conference, adopted by the 1987 Conference and reaffirmed by the 1988 Conference. Below, is a timeline history of Conference advisory actions related to AA's primary purpose: *1968 *It was recommended that: AA groups in correctional facilities and hospitals adhere
to AA's Fifth Tradition, on primary purpose of carrying the message to the alcoholic. That anyone with problems other than alcohol be made welcome at inside open meetings, but not participate in group activities. *1969 *It was recommended that: Guidelines be prepared outlining procedures for AA members to follow in working with institutions and ways of informing the nonalcoholic staff about AA. The following committee recommendations are to be included in the guidelines: a. AAs attending meetings at prisons or hospitals should be selected carefully so that relations with the institution's staff remain harmonious. b. AA's position on membership in institutional groups be defined as follows: We cannot give AA membership to nonalcoholic narcotic addicts and other unrelated groups or organizations. AA groups in institutions can welcome anyone with problems other than alcohol to inside open meetings, but it is suggested that
they do not speak or otherwise participate in these meetings. *1970 *It was recommended that: The wording of the 1969 Institutions Committee recommendation concerning the definition of AA's position on membership in institutions groups be changed to read as follows: Open meetings are traditionally open to all interested in AA, but should be devoted exclusively to the alcoholic problem. Closed meetings should traditionally be restricted to alcoholics. *1972 *It was recommended that: The Conference reaffirm AA group policy that "Only those with a desire to stop drinking may be members of AA groups; only AA members are eligible to be officers of AA groups; nonalcoholics are welcome at open meetings of AA." And, it is suggested that the word "family" not be used in the name of an AA group; if AA's and their nonalcoholic mates wish to meet together on a regular basis, they consider these gatherings "meetings" and not AA groups. (Floor Action) *1985 *It was recommended that: The following be inserted in the pamphlets "If You Are a Professional" and "How AA Members Cooperate": The only requirement for membership in AA is a desire to stop drinking. If the person is not sure about this point, then he or she is most welcome to attend an open AA meeting. If the person is sure that drinking is not his or her problem, then he or she may wish to seek help elsewhere. *1986 *It was recommended that: A service item for use at AA meetings regarding AA's primary purpose be developed by the appropriate trustees' committee and proposed to the appropriate Conference committee at the 1987 Conference. *1987 *It was recommended that: The following statement regarding AA's primary purpose be available as an AA service piece. THIS IS A CLOSED MEETING OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS This is a closed meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. In support of AA's singleness of purpose, attendance at closed meetings is limited to persons who have a desire to stop drinking. If you think you have a problem with alcohol, you are welcome to attend this meeting. We ask that when discussing our problems, we confine ourselves to those problems, as they relate to alcoholism. The following statement regarding AA's primary purpose be available as an AA service piece. THIS IS AN OPEN MEETING OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS This is an open meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. We are glad you are all here--especially newcomers. In keeping with our singleness of purpose and our Third Tradition which states that "The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking," we ask that all who participate confine their discussion to their problems with alcohol. *1988 *It was recommended that: The Primary Purpose Card continue as a service piece. *1990 *It was recommended that: "The AA Membership Survey" pamphlet, the one-way display and the poster be updated to reflect the findings from the 1989 Membership Survey. "The AA Membership Survey" pamphlet, the one-way display and poster reflect all the findings of the 1989 Membership Survey. The answer to Question #14 in the AA survey pertaining to drugs should
be presented as follows: "In addition to their alcoholism X% of members indicated they were addicted to drugs," and include the disclaimer "AA's primary purpose is recovery from alcoholism." *1992 *It was recommended that: The 1992 AA Membership Survey Questionnaire be changed as follows: a. Add item "f' to Question #3: "this is my fist AA meeting." b. Revise item "1" of Question #5 to read: "Newspaper, magazine, radio or TV." c. Change Question #9 to read: "Do you belong to an AA Home Group?" d. Revise item "a" of Question #10 to read: "Do you have a sponsor?" e. Change item "b" of Question #10 to read: "Did you get a sponsor within 90 days of coming to AA?" That Question #14, "In addition to your alcoholism, were you addicted to drugs?" be removed from the 1992 AA Membership Survey Questionnaire because the question: a. emphasizes problems other than alcohol; b. has a tendency to lead to disunity; c. could be construed as conflicting with our primary purpose. *1997 *It was recommended that: The following statement regarding Singleness of Purpose
be added to the C.P.C. pamphlets: "Alcoholics Anonymous in Your Community," "AA and Employees Assistance Programs," "AA as a Resource for the Health Care Professional," "How AA Members Cooperate With Professionals," "If You Are a Professional," and "Members of the Clergy Ask About Alcoholics Anonymous" under the title "Singleness of Purpose and Problems Other Than Alcohol" at the next printing: "Alcoholism and drug addiction are often referred to as 'substance abuse' or 'chemical dependency.' Alcoholics and nonalcoholics are, therefore, sometimes introduced to AA and encouraged to attend AA meetings. Anyone may attend _open _AA meetings. But only those with a _drinking _problem may attend _closed _meetings or become AA members. People with problems other than alcoholism are eligible for AA membership _only _if they have a drinking problem." Cheers
Arthur 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;"> ----- *From:* victoria callaway [mailto:vickicool2003@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:01 PM *To:*
AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [AAHistoryLovers] Any info on blue card read at many meetings? 12.0pt;"> 10.0pt;">The blue card, a service piece is read before our meetings, and I would like if someone could back it up with some history to it? Thnaks vicki ----------------------------------------------- *Yahoo! Groups Links* · To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/ · To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AAHistoryLovers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com · Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service [1] . IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1900. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Silkwork Birthday Celebration, W.Long Branch NJ, 7/24/04 From: Lash, William (Bill) . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2004 3:37:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII You are cordially invited to the first annual Dr. Silkworth birthday celebration! Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 3:00PM At his gravesite in Glenwood Cemetery, Route 71 (Monmouth Rd.), West Long Branch NJ. Speakers: Barbara Silkworth (a family member) and Ruth O'N. (who got sober on April 14, 1948 & knew Silky). Dr. William Duncan Silkworth is the author of the "Doctor's Opinion" in the Big Book "Alcoholics Anonymous" and is known as a friend to millions of alcoholics worldwide. He worked with Bill Wilson, AA's co-founder in N.Y.C., after Bill finally got sober in 1934. He gave deep understanding and great encouragement to an infant society in the days when a lack of understanding or a word of discouragement might easily have killed it. He freely risked his professional reputation to champion an unprecedented spiritual answer to the medical enigma and the human tragedy of alcoholism. Without his blessing, our faith might well have died in its birth. He was a luminous exception to the rule that only an alcoholic understands an alcoholic. He knew us better than we knew ourselves, better than we know each other. Many of us felt that his medical skill, great as that was, was not at all the full measure of his stature. Dr. Silkworth was something that it is difficult even to mention in these days. He was a saintly man. He stood in an unusual relationship to truth. He was able to see the truth of a man, when that truth was deeply hidden from the man himself and from everyone else. He was able to save lives that were otherwise beyond help of any kind. Such a man cannot really die. We wish to honor this man, a gentle doctor with white hair and china blue eyes. Dr. Silkworth lived on Chelsea Avenue in Long Branch, attended Long Branch High School where he has been inducted in that school's Hall of Fame, graduated from Princeton University, and lived for a while in Little Silver. He was born on July 27, 1873 and died on March 22, 1951. His relatives that still carry the Silkworth name live in Oceanport NJ. PLEASE BE SURE TO BRING A LAWN CHAIR OR SOMETHING TO SIT ON. If you have any questions please call Barefoot Bill at 201-232-8749 (cell). Directions: Take the Garden State Parkway (north or south) to Exit 105 (Route 36), continue on Route 36 approximately 2.5 to 3 miles through 5 traffic lights (passing Monmouth Mall, two more shopping plazas, and several automobile dealerships). Watch for green road signs stating "Route 71 South, West Long Branch and Asbury Park" (this is before the sixth light). Take this turnoff to the right, past Carriage Square and bear right onto Route 71 (Monmouth Road.) Glenwood Cemetery appears very quickly on the left. The entrance is marked by two stone pillars and the name. Once inside the cemetery, bear left, go up the hill and make the first right (a hard right). The gravesite is near the first tree on the right. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1901. . . . . . . . . . . . Reel to Reel tape restoration From: kopnor . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/6/2004 12:02:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi I am Richard K. . I am a member of the Maine area archives committee. We have a reel to reel tape of the 1955 St.Louis convention. We would like to know if there is a lot of these tapes in circulation. this tape is over 50 years old. We are wondering if we will run into any difficulties restoring this tape. Maybe someone has some ideas they might have on this subject. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1902. . . . . . . . . . . . 4th Step Guides From: lawrence . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/7/2004 10:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dear AA friends, I'm collecting 4th step guides. I have a xerox copy of a lenthy one, about 28 full pages, starting with General Instructions "Buy paper and pen and start writing." etc. Then there's the main part called "Revised Fourth Step Guide" starting with 'Why a "Revised edition"? The original Fourth Step Inventory, written over 10 years ago, needed revision for three reasons. 1. Two major areas were not ncluded in the original inventory and are in this one: military service (including Vietnam) and Alanon."' Then there are lengthy sections on Family, Your Childhood, Religion, Kindergarten and Early School, Your Sexual Life, Adolescence, etc. etc. Is this lengthy and very detailed 4th Step Guide available online so I could download it? I do have a similar one which I found on a couple sites, starting with the following: "A Searching, Fearless, Moral, Inventory 4th Step Guide The history of this 4th Step Guide is vague but it has been attributed to anonymous members of Alcoholics Anonymous. Various versions could be found on early recovery computer bulletin boards (BBS). One version was dubbed "The California 4th Step Guide" as it was believed that the originators were located in California. Another version "suggested" that a person should have at least 5 years of recovery before using this guide. In any event this guide has well over 300 questions for a person to answer starting with your childhood years, through adolescence, and into your adult life. The guide works for all 12 step programs as the guide is not specific to any particular program. The guide has a very good set of general directions for doing a 4th step." Etc. Perhaps the one I have a xerox of is an earlier version of this one, one, but I'd love to find a copy of the first one I could download. Thank you for any help on this, or suggestions of other 4th Step guides I should know about. Yours in sobriety, Larry G. in Placitas, NM. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1903. . . . . . . . . . . . Beginner''s Meeting Format From: Linda . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/8/2004 8:20:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I thought I had posted before but I don't see it so, I'll try again. Does anyone have a good meeting format for Beginner's Meetings? Thanks, Linda D "Florida Keys" IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1904. . . . . . . . . . . . two questions From: john . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/10/2004 5:33:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have a 4x6 card which lists the first three books and has the price of each
AA 4.50, 12&12 2.75 and AA Comes of Age 4.00 at the top it atates (You may wish to use this as a book mark) Does anyone know when this card was pbulished by AA I have a pamphlet This is AA in the burgandy cover. The only reference to age is a note that states 11th printing. When was this published? John Wikelius 301 North Rawls Street Enterprise, Alabama 36330 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 1905. . . . . . . . . . . . Loners International From: kopnor . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2004 3:04:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have heard that the loners international group is the largest group in AA. Is this true. I would also like to know if Captain Jack was the official founder of the loners international. I also would appreciate it if someone could tell me if there is a biography or story available on Captain Jack. Yüklə 1,35 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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