includes operations and carrying the message.
money back).
(where it is needed).
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++++Message 5579. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Anyone know anything about the
From: Phil McG . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 1:30:00 PM
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AA meetings in prisons were first started in
1941 by CT Duffy, the Warden at San Quentin.
of a Prison by C T Duffy (1951). You can
still carry it.
(FriendLeeCPA at msn.com)
Warden Clinton Duffy spoke at the First
International AA Conference in Cleveland,
July 29, 1950. In it he shares that:
- he had been watching AA on the street
- San Quentin was in the process of
inititating a new type of rehabilitation
-he realized punishment was not enough.
- First meeting at SQ was in 1942
- Twenty inmates and several outside guests,
many of whom had never been behind such walls
before and were awed by the surroundings.
- Most inmates hadn't seen a woman or civilian
clothes for a long time.
- Duffy says the tension was broken when an
outside guest, whose name he couldn't remember
("...and wouldn't mention if I could,") went
up to the podium 'with a smile on his face
that radiated an air of friendliness - I'll
never forget his opening words:
"Fellows," he said, looking out over the stiff
audience, "before we start talking about AA
I have a confession to make, I want to tell
you that, but for the grace of a power greater
than myself I would be sitting out there with
you today listening to someone else make this
speech."
- Duffy quotes more that I wont write out, but
he says the tension was eased and it became
a podium participation mtng.
- Skeptics had told Duffy that AA was a
"useless fad," and that "SQ would go off
louder than nitroglycerin if he allowed
women AA's to mix with the inmates."
- Not so said Duffy. There was never an "off
color remark."
- At the end of the first meeting, says Duffy
one of the former skeptics chose the
opportunity to assure him that AA at SQ
would be a success.
- SQ did make mistakes; a) issued diplomas
for completing 12-step study course b)
withheld AA from men who did not "appear"
to be alcoholic c) exerted pressure on men
"diagnosed" as alcoholic.
Lee (805) 938-1981
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From: "J. Lobdell"
(jlobdell54 at hotmail.com)
On p. 59 of AA Today: a special publication
by the AA Grapevine commemorating the 25th
Anniversary of Alcoholics Anonymous (copyright
1960, 1988), Warden Clinton Duffy says (or
writes), "When, in 1941, San Quentin pioneered
the first Alcoholics Anonymous group behind
any prison walls, I said, 'If the program will
help one man, I want to start it.' In these
eighteen years, hundreds have been helped."
So, for a date, 1941 (probably later in the
year as it isn't yet nineteen years when he's
speaking), and for a founder, Warden Duffy.
And as to the why, "If the program will help
one man, I want to start it."
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From: kentedavis@aol.com
(kentedavis at aol.com)
There is a good report from the Northern
California Council of Alcoholics Anonymous.
It was this group that was instrumental in
forming the group so this is about the best
account of its beginnings.
Kent D 8.8.88
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From: Ernest Kurtz
(kurtzern at umich.edu)
Priscilla,
I suggest you pass this question on to the AA
archivist at the GSO in New York: there is a
wealth of material there.
ernie
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Original message #5572 from
(priscilla_semmens at yahoo.com)
The first prison AA Group, we are told, was
formed at San Quentin.
Who formed it? When was it formed? Why was
it formed? etc.
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++++Message 5580. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San
Quentin
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/9/2009 7:37:00 PM
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The first prison group was definitely not
San Quentin! The Philadelphia Mother group
was taking meetings into Philadelphia prisons
two years before S. Q. and have continuously
carried on that tradition.
GSO in NY has told us that, even when substant-
iated, they will not change this part of AA
history in their publications. A member of
the Archives committee of the local Intergroup
asked them several years back.
I also heard about another prison group about
the same time (1940) in NY or NJ. Perhaps
someone from those areas can provide more
accurate information.
Yours in Service,
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
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++++Message 5581. . . . . . . . . . . . Archival Repositories and Hints for
AA Archivists
From: Mike Breedlove . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 6:31:00 PM
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Greetings everyone, and especially kauaihulahips
Thank you for those wonderful questions. I am
certainly no authority on all (or even many)
of the questions asked in kauaihulahips'
email, but do have some information the Area
One (Alabama-Northwest Florida) archives
committee collected in a survey in 2006. The
information is in tables format and is
detailed below. Other area archives were
contacted and graciously supplied the
information detailed below. No personal
information is shared. Any area archives
committee that wishes to share more informa-
tion, or to update the present information,
(hint, hint) would you please forward that
information to me at the email address of
mikeb415@knology.net
(mikeb415 at knology.net)
If you wish to contact a specific archives or
archives committee, you might wish to contact
the AA Archives, located at the General
Services Office. They may have the information
you need. As a general policy, the AA Archives
tends not to participate directly in forums
such as this but the staff are more than
willing to help any one who asks for help. Of
course I am willing to share any information
or knowledge that others have so freely shared
with me. Just contact me at
mikeb415@knology.net
(mikeb415 at knology.net)
The one overall comment to be hazarded is that
any one looking to establish an archival
repository of any kind needs to closely review
the following. At the AA website, if you click
on Resources for Local A.A. Archivists you can
see links to the following really useful pieces
of literature, all of which have very recently
been updated:
Archives Guidelines - MG-17 .pdf The direct link is
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/mg-17_archives.pdf
(4 pages)
The A.A. Archives - F-47 .pdf The direct link is
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/f-47_theaaarchives.pdf
(2 pages)
Oral Histories Kit .pdf - The direct links is
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/en_oralhistorieskit.pdf
(18 pages)
Many areas choose to conduct recorded oral
history interviews with longtimers, to record
their strength, hope, and experience for
future generations. This kit contains tips,
instructions, suggested questions, forms and
templates, as well as a list of additional
resources.
Yours in service,
Mike B.
Area One Archivist
(Like others in AA, I have some experience and
formal training as a professional archivist)
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Area #
Archives facility and details
Financial Support
Archives Cmte?
Archivist?
Volume of Records
Volunteers & Work
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01, Alabama- NW Florida
10 x 10 ft. somewhat climate controlled store room
$2,100/year for rent for storage ($1,500) and supplies ($600).
No foundation.
Yes
Yes
200 cubic ft., of which 30 cubic ft. are actual archives and 150 cubic ft.
are special collections
Just getting started, but we do work one afternoon every area assembly with
one or two volunteers
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06, Coastal North California
Yes, at an AA Meeting facility, 8 x 20 room, with tape library
$10,000/year, with $7200 for rent, 2100 for travel and conferences, 700 for
supplies. No foundation
Yes, also a tape librarian
Yes
120-200 cf, including shelves lateral files, file cabinets shelves,
reel-to-reel tapes, cassettes, etc.
Volunteers work one/month
Former delegate participates
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10, Colorado
Basement of a church in Denver, ca. 15 x 20
$600/year for rent and $600/year for operating expenses and the traveling
displays are funded by Area. AA members contribute financially
No foundation.
Yes
Yes
70 cf, including file cabinets and more
Office open once a month for 2 hours, mainly the archives chair
Lots of interviews with long timers
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15, South Florida
3x4 cubical - a rental, climate controlled facility -- records are stored
in banker boxes
$580 annual for storage and copies, postage of our Committee minutes. Area
15 furnishes 1 night lodging each, at Area Quarterly for the Area Archives
Chair and the Alternate. No foundation
Yes
No
10 cf, the minutes and business records of the Area Business meetings, and
Ad-hoc committees.
No
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16, Georgia
Yes, 20 x 30 area adjacent to area office
Budget from Area of $2,932. Rent and utilities included in general area
office expense
No foundation
Yes and Steering Cmte, & delegate helping
Yes
Not stated, Do have display cases
Mainly the archivist
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18, Idaho
Yes, 2 rooms for storage, 20 x 20 and 20 x 25, and 1 for ref, exhibit, 25 x
15
All funding from Area, $1,200, and from donations. Travel is reimbursed at
0.30/mile
No foundation
Yes & delegate helping
Yes
Not stated. Do have 4 file cabinets.
Yes, 6-7, and they do reference work
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19, Northern Illinois
Yes, 15 x 15
$500 - $800/yr
No foundation
Yes
Yes
40-50 cf, many tapes & CDs
Yes, but no details
Yes
yes
10 cf
Interview of long timers
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22, Northern Indiana
No
$100/yr. No foundation.
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27, Louisiana
Yes, 12 x 24 room
$1,500/year from Area and selling of items No foundation
Yes
Yes
288 cubic ft., with archival supplies, shelving, etc.
Do reference work, exhibits, and more
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32, Michigan
No
None from Area, some from groups and individuals
No foundation.
No
Yes
150 cf
Mainly the archivist
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38, Eastern Maryland
Area rents 2 rooms, 200 sq ft each, for archives, in central service bldg
Area pays for rent and other expenses. Budget of $1,200/yr. No foundation.
Yes
Yes
6 filing cabinets and a bit more [ca. 50 cf] 2nd room is used for
processing, etc.
Mainly the archivist
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50, Western New York
Yes, rent 12 x 20 room from Central Office
$500 - $1.000, contributions from groups and individuals, Presently
creating a budget. No Area support. No foundation
Yes and a treasurer, & very active past delegates
Yes
Not stated
Mainly the archivist
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64, Central Tennessee (Murfreesboro)
Yes, Yes, we have a free-standing building.
It is 25 x 45, or 1,125 square feet, concrete
block and brick, two rooms. Anonymity protected.
[Also gave more info on district archives
in Area 64]
Total budget is about $70 per month for
chair person's travel expenses and $500 per
year for building, & appointed an archivist &
historian . Going to give him $33 per month
for traveling expenses.
A contractor built it on his lot and is
only charging the cost of construction.
Purchasing the building one year at a time
by Area 64. Pay it like rent, but will be
paid for in 10 years. After paid off, probably
will create a foundation at that time.
Yes
Yes
Have eight four drawer filing cabinet,
plus exhibit cases, and going to get acid-free
boxes, etc.
Groups, districts and events pay for
traveling archives
Front room with display cases and log in
room; back room has desks, with strictly
volunteer work force, webmaster does a lot
of work (2 or 3 days a week from 10 until 3)
and recruits well.
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65, North Texas
No
$600/year for travel, etc., and groups and events often at least partially
reimburse travel and display costs. No foundation.
Yes
No
20 cf
Mainly the archivist
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71, Virginia
Office space of one room is rented (size not mentioned)
Area pays for office expenses, archivist's travel and incidentals, and
archives cmte travel and yearly archives open house (amount not mentioned).
No
foundation
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