inmate, and hearing his tale, I could
truthfully say the very same thing that
Warden Duffy describes the first AA speaker
to have said to inmates.
God is near
Marion
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++++Message 5593. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San
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From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 5:58:00 PM
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It also strikes me that if Owen V. heard the
message of Alcoholics Anonymous in 1941 at a
meeting in the prison in Salem, Oregon at a
meeting started by Doc H., then it makes sense
that Doc H had started the meeting before that,
since Owen V. was not a founder of that meeting.
(Owen V later went on to start the first AA
group in Utah in 1942 (=after release from
prison.)
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++++Message 5594. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San
Quentin
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 8:18:00 PM
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AA Archives should be based on fact. Here
are a few. The San Quentin Warden that was
presented the 25 millionth copy of the Big
Book at the International Convention in Canada
in 2005 was Jill Brown. She was fired a week
or so after receiving the award. FACT
AA literature says San Quentin was started in
1942, AACA PG 89. FACT
The Feb 1952 Grapevine says AA at San Quentin
is a little more than 9 years old. That means
it began in 1943 or late 1942. Other sourses
say 1941 or 1943. I'll go with AACA, our not
so perfect history. FACT
Philadelphia prisons have had continuous
meetings since September 1940. FACT
Philadelphia AA started on the last day of
Feb 1940. FACT (a leap year day)
Sobriety thru the Oxford Group was present in
Philadelphia in 1938 and future members of the
Philadelphia Mother group had 2 years of
sobriety before Jimmy B got here. Jimmy was
given their names to look them up when he got
here. FACT (John P L, for one)
Whether it was 24 months or 20 months, the
message of AA has been continuously carried
in to the prisons of Philadelphia. My point
in the original message is that our history
is misrepresented in our literature. This is
not the only example. If our history is found
to be wrong then it must be corrected. MY
OPINION (by the way I'm not yelling).
Duffy had the 1st registered in New York
prison meeting. There was no Intergroup in
Philadelphia in 1940. The Intergroup started
in 1948 and GSO wasn't in existence till 1951.
Without group registration numbers, groups
were registered by writing to the Alcoholic
Foundation in New York and letting a secretary
know about it. When I next go to GSO Archives
I will request authorization to see Clinton
Duffy's letter and then nail down the date
the San Quentin AA prison Group began. Of
course it will depend upon the approval of the
Trustee's in charge of Archives to approve me.
If Jared would like to go, just let me know.
Then we can get the exact month and year and
verify if it's 1941, 1942 or 1943.
Yours in Service,
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
See you in Woodland Hills,Ca.Sept 24-27,2009
13th National Archives Conv.
> From: _Shakey1aa@aol.Sha_ (mailto:Shakey1aa@aol.com)
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009
> Subject: Re: the first prison group? NOT San Quentin
>
> The first prison group was definitely not
> San Quentin! The Philadelphia Mother group
> was taking meetings into Philadelphia prisons
> two years before S. Q. and have continuously
> carried on that tradition.
>
> Yours in Service,
> Shakey Mike Gwirtz
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++++Message 5595. . . . . . . . . . . . Thanks from Jim Blair
From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2009 2:02:00 PM
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I arrived home from the hospital yesterday
after my colon resection and I'd like to
thank everyone for their prayers and support.
I have a recovery period of 6 to 12 weeks and
this will afford me the time to complete some
history projects I had put aside.
Jim Blair
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++++Message 5596. . . . . . . . . . . . Father Martin: why Ashley in
Maryland instead of Carolina?
From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 2:45:00 PM
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Father Martin was planning a place in North
Carolina, and I was surprised when he opened
the place in Maryland. Does anyone know why
he changed to Maryland?
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From GFC, the moderator. See his biography at:
http://www.fathermartinsashley.com/interior.php?section=AboutAshley&subsecti
on=B\
io [5]
Father Joseph Martin - Biography
Father Joseph C. Martin, S.S. (1924-2009), was co-founder of the addiction
treatment center Father Martin’s Ashley in Havre de Grace, MD, and a noted
authority and lecturer on alcoholism. Best known for his “Chalk Talk on
Alcohol,” delivered to alcoholics and their families with his charismatic
style
and sense of humor, Father Martin is credited with saving the lives of
thousands
of alcoholics and addicts. His “Chalk Talk” lecture, which began
“I’m Joe Martin
and I’m an alcoholic,” and more than 40 films, are legendary.
His films, which have been translated into multiple languages, continue to
be
used at treatment centers around the world, in hospitals, substance abuse
programs, industry, and most branches of the U.S. government. He is author
of
several publications, including Chalk Talks on Alcohol, published by Harper
&
Row in 1982, which is still in print.
The Early Years
Father Martin was born in Baltimore on October 12, 1924, the fourth of seven
children of Marie and James Martin. His leadership ability, communications
skill, and charm became evident early in life. He was valedictorian of
Loyola
High School’s class of 1942, and was voted best debater, best actor, and
class
member with the best smile. He attended Loyola College from 1942 to 1944.
During his senior year in high school and as he was attending Loyola
College, he
had a part-time job with St. Mary’s Seminary, where members of the Society
of
St. Sulpice taught seminarians. Increasingly drawn to their mission, he felt
the
calling to enter the priesthood, studying at St. Mary’s Seminary on Paca
Street
and at St Mary’s in Roland Park in Baltimore. He was ordained a priest for
the
Archdiocese of Baltimore in 1948. The following year he entered the Society
of
St. Sulpice, a community of priests devoted to the formation and education
of
seminarians and priests.
Following ordination, he was sent to teach high school students preparing
for
the priesthood at St. Joseph’s College in Mountain View, CA (1948-56),
where he
was a successful and popular teacher. In 1956, he was sent to teach at St.
Charles College in Catonsville, MD.
Addiction and Recovery
When it became apparent to colleagues that he had a problem with alcohol,
Father
Martin was sent to Guest House in Lake Orion, MI, an alcoholism treatment
center
and sanctuary for Catholic priests that advocated the Twelve Steps of
Alcoholics
Anonymous (A.A.). He left Guest House in 1959, in recovery and charting a
new
course for his life.
He returned to Baltimore and St. Charles College, where he resumed teaching
and
supported his recovery by attending A.A. meetings three or four times a
week. He
seized every opportunity to speak about alcoholism, captivating audiences
with
what became the “Chalk Talk on Alcohol.”
The Transition Years
In 1968, he was assigned to serve as chaplain for the Oblate Sisters of
Providence in Catonsville, and he continued to deliver his “Chalk
Talk” to
audiences along the East Coast.
In 1970, Father Martin reached out to Mae Abraham, a woman he met through
A.A.,
and with her and her husband’s encouragement, he made the decision to work
the
field of recovery. He became a lecturer and educator in the Division of
Alcohol
Control for the state of Maryland, conducting seminars for doctors, lawyers,
parole officers, and social workers.
In 1972, the United States Navy filmed “The Blackboard Talk,” which they
then
dubbed “The Chalk Talk.” It became known throughout the U.S. military
and
established Father Martin as a recognized leader in the addiction treatment
field.
The Ashley Years
In 1977, on a flight returning from an appearance in South Carolina, Mae
Abraham
said, “Father, why don’t you open a treatment center where people can
get well
with the philosophy you have?”
Mae Abraham and Father Martin began their quest to establish an addiction
treatment center, raising funds over a seven-year period with Father
Martin’s
“Chalk Talk” delivered to audiences across the U.S. Thousands of small
donations
and several large gifts and matching funds made it possible to buy and
renovate
Oakington, the estate owned by the widow of U.S. Senator Millard Tydings on
the
Chesapeake Bay near Havre de Grace.
Father Martin’s Ashley opened in 1983. Just two years after opening,
Forbes
magazine ranked it as one of the top ten addiction treatment facilities in
the
country.
Today, patients come from the East Coast and across the U.S. to the 85-bed
facility, which has a reputation for treating alcohol and drug addiction and
relapse with respect for the dignity of each individual who enters its
doors.
To date, Ashley has provided treatment to more than 40,000 people suffering
from
the disease of addiction and has provided program services to their
families.
Father Martin always had a very special concern for priests in trouble. In
this,
he remained faithful to his Sulpician vocation throughout his life.
Honors and Awards
In 1991, Father Martin was invited by Pope John Paul II to participate in
the
Vatican’s International Conference on Drugs and Alcohol. He made four
trips to
Russia under the auspices of the International Institute on Alcohol
Education
and Training, and also traveled to Switzerland and Poland so speak to A.A.
groups and to addiction counselors in training.
Father Martin’s awards include the Andrew White Medal from Loyola College,
Baltimore, for his contributions to the general welfare of the citizenry of
Maryland; Rutgers University’s Summer School of Alcohol
Studies’ Distinguished
Service Award (1988); and the Norman Vincent Peale Award (1992).
The Later Years
Although he retired from active management at Father Martin’s Ashley in
2003, he
continued to lecture, addressing patients as recently as last month, ending
each
talk, as he always did, “It’s the likes of you that keep the likes of me
going.”
He passed away at his home in Havre de Grace on March 9, 2009 at the age of
84.
Father Martin’s Legacy
In the words of the late Mike Deaver, former White House Chief of Staff
under
President Ronald Reagan, “Father Martin changed my life and changed me.
When I
came to Ashley, I had been with presidents and kings and popes and prime
ministers, but Father was the most powerful person I had ever met, and he
still
is today. You see, Father has the power to change people, to make them
better,
to make them whole again.” Father Martin’s legacy is Father Martin’s
Ashley.
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++++Message 5597. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Archival repositories and
housing collections
From: Mike Breedlove . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 11:05:00 PM
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Greetings LD,
You raise an interesting point about the housing of archival materials and
access to them. No doubt others will have valuable experience to share on
this
topic, and we eagerly await hearing the experiences of others. Please allow
me
to share some of my experience. Most public or private archives and
libraries
only accept donated (not loaned) material. Why should an institution have
the
responsibility and use its resources for maintaining materials without the
authority to discard what it believes to be non-permanent?
To be specific, AA materials of a local nature are just not that valuable
historically to most libraries or archives so most local repositories just
don't
see the need to collect AA materials. In addition, those institutions are
generally not interested in entering into a complicated arrangement
regarding
the care and housing of a separate collection of material, particularly one
that
is not within their collecting policy. What happens, they might ask, if the
local AA entity no longer is willing to maintain their records? No
institution
wants to be placed in the position of throwing historical records on the
street.
I can speak from some experience in this area as I have worked in a state
archives for twenty three years as an arrangement and description archivist
and
have been involved in state, regional and national archival professional
organizations. I do not know of a single institution in our state that would
be
willing to house archival records under a "loan" or even "gift" agreement in
which another entity shares the responsibility for a set of records within
that
institution.
Philosophically, as members of Alcoholics Anonymous it seems to me that the
Seventh Tradition means that if we are fully self-supporting through our own
contributions then we support our archives as the historical repository of
the
message of Alcoholics Anonymous as it has come to us over the years. In
fact,
other traditions are also very important in this regard as the A. A.
Guidelines
on Archives emphasize. Please see
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/mg-17_archives.pdf Alcoholics Anonymous at
any and every level should not surrender its archival or historical
responsibility to another entity. After all, we want the archives of
Alcoholics
Anonymous to be in the hands of Alcoholics Anonymous, where its life saving
message cannot be distorted or diminished.
In our Area (Alabama-Northwest Florida) we have accomplished a great deal
with
our archives, particularly in collecting archival records and special
collections. Nonetheless our archives is not the fully functional repository
that we would like it to be. That means that we have work to do to make our
archives more accessible and fully self-supporting. We are trying to do that
work now. While these efforts are not moving quickly, they are proceeding
steadily.
One other observation - It seems to me that there is a growing sense of
shared
responsibility among archivists and historians in AA regarding AA's history,
and
a growing cooperation among the different districts, areas and the GSO
archives
to collaboratively preserve AA's history. This tendency is all to the good.
We
need each other. Once again the principles of commitment, collaboration and
cooperation are paramount. We are still finding our way, but in this effort
we
work in unity.
Yours in service, Mike B.
Area One Archivist
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From: Sober186@aol.com
(Sober186 at aol.com)
Interesting idea. I wonder if we would run into
anonymity problems? We are anonymous only
outside AA rooms, I think. Some of the archives
which would then be open to non AA readers might
contain full names. Would we want to edit out
last names?
Jim in Central Ohio
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From: Shakey1aa@aol.com
(Shakey1aa at aol.com)
The answer to placing regional or state AA
Archives in a library or large institution
can be found in the AA Preamble. When I go
somewhere to see AA archives I always make an
appointment to do so. Most Archives have rules
about who, where and when they can be seen.
AA members have to be cleared to see the
originals and someone needs to be present from
the committee so that illegal copies or
outright stealing is not occuring. A sober
thief is still a thief.
Yours in Service,
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
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Original Message From: diazeztone
I have often wondered why regional and state
AA Archives are not placed physically into
the library of a large institution. (Or smaller
local institution.)
I.e. the Texas archives being placed at the
U Texas Library in Austin. Or at SMU in Dallas.
Even a large city library would be a good
choice. (Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin,
have very large pubic libraries.)
The archives could be donated but maintained
by the group donating. Or they could be loaned
(for fixed time 2 year, 5 year, 10 year) this
would allow traveling archives to remove
materials for conventions etc.
I think this would make the materials avail-
able to many more people. For example ,I have
been to Oklahoma City 50 times recently and
almost every time I go to the archives they
are closed.
LD Pierce
editor
www.aabibliography.com
"an internet aa archive!!"
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++++Message 5598. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San
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From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2009 5:34:00 PM
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In Warden Duffy's speech in 1960 at the Long Beach convention, he said he
formed
the group in 1941 (AA Today, as quoted earlier) -- that's the word of the
group's founder, rather than what was said earlier by Bill (in AACOA) or the
Grapevine (1952). My guess is he knew. But of course the principal point is
the difference between a group (especially a prison group) and a meeting
(specifically one brought into a facility). If I am free to go up to GSO
with
Mike, I'll be happy to, tho' I doubt my presence would add anything to his
research, since he is an experienced and so far as I know an efficient
researcher. Unless the NJ Group brought meetings into a prison, my guess is
Philadelphia was the first to do that, just as Rockland State Hospital was
the
first institutional meeting (1939) and San Quentin the first prison group
(1941
by Warden Duffy's word, though 1942 according to a report in the Grapevine
and
according to Bill until Warden Duffy's 1960 speech gave a first-hand
account).
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++++Message 5599. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Father Martin: why Ashley in
Maryland instead of Carolina?
From: Cece Archer . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/20/2009 3:40:00 PM
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As I understand it the land Father Martin and
Mae wanted to obtain for the treatment center
in North Carolina was going to be difficult to
obtain for zoning, permits, etc. and they
wanted to be able to start the project soon.
The land was available in Maryland, so Ashley
was born.
Cecilia
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++++Message 5600. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill''s experiment with keeping
liquor in the house
From: Michael F. Margetis . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/20/2009 2:59:00 PM
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Hi all,
On page 281 in "Dr. Bob And The Good Old
Timers" there's a paragraph that reads:
"Remembering his own disastrous trip to
Atlantic City and Bill's experiment with
keeping liquor on the sideboard to prove it
was no longer a temptation, Dr. Bob advocated
that members stay in dry places whenever
possible. 'You don't ask the Lord not to lead
you into temptation, then turn around and
walk right into it,' he said."
My question is, what's the story behind
Bill's experiment?
I've looked everywhere I can think of to
find that story, but can't find it.
Thanks,
Mike Margetis
Brunswick, Maryland
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++++Message 5601. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Royalties for Grapevine related
literature
From: secondles . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/11/2009 6:55:00 PM
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The answer to questions about royalties are
basically found in reading a copy of Bill's
WILL and Lois's WILL.
Les C
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From the moderator:
So does anybody know where a copy of either
of these wills could be found? Were they
probated in New York state?
G.C.
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++++Message 5602. . . . . . . . . . . . First 100 Sober: who were Jack S.
and Sim R.?
From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/22/2009 7:24:00 PM
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In a February 1948 Grapevine article
entitled "Real Old-Timers Meet With New
Babies to Exchange Views on Program," we
find the following paragraph:
"The six who have been members a decade or
more and who came out from behind their
whiskers to talk a little about those earliest
days when AA was newborn and almost stillborn,
and their combined assets could be measured
in nickels and dimes - on some days - were:
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