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PART SIX. Bill H. and Jimmy M.: Winning Inclusion for Black Alcoholics
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Chapter 17. Jimmy's Bar Chapter 18. The Interracial Group Chapter 19. Meetings and Steps in Early A.A. Chapter 20. He Knew It Was a God ______________________________ http://hindsfoot.org/nblack1.html http://hindsfoot.org/nblack2.html Jimmy Miller's Story: The First Lady of Black A.A. in the St. Joseph River Valley
______________________________ Glenn C., The St. Louis Gambler & the Railroad Man: Lives and Teachings of the
A.A. Old Timers http://hindsfoot.org/kstl1.html Two other major early black leaders in that part of Indiana were Brownie (Harold
Brown) in South Bend and Goshen Bill (William Henry Caldwell) in Elkhart and Goshen. Three chapters in this book are devoted to Brownie's story and his message, and three additional chapters to Goshen Bill. Again, most of this is in
their own words. PART ONE. Brownie Chapter 1. The Professional Gambler and the St. Louis Blues Chapter 2. Down and Out in South Bend Chapter 3. Gratitude and the Man Who Had No Arms or Legs PART FOUR. Goshen Bill Chapter 9. Sleeping in a Dump Truck Chapter 10. Fish Stories and Chickens Flying South Chapter 11. Working the Twelve Steps ______________________________
Brownie's at 616 Pierce St. in South Bend, site of annual pilgrimages by the Dignitaries Sympathy groups to honor the memory of the great black A.A. leader
Brownie and his friend and fellow A.A. worker Nick Kowalski (an ex-con who got
sober in one of the first A.A. prison groups in the United States). People travel from Chicago one month; from East Lansing, Michigan, another month; and sometimes from Bloomington in southern Indiana to give leads at Brownie's and give honor to the great black A.A. leader who started the Saturday
evening meeting there (along with Raymond I., whom Brownie sponsored, who is still alive and active). ______________________________
http://hindsfoot.org/nkosc3gb.html ______________________________
http://hindsfoot.org/nblack2.html http://hindsfoot.org/nblack3.html
Memories of Early Black Leaders Told in Their Own Words. Some of the earliest black A.A. groups in the United States were formed c. 1945-48 along an axis running from Chicago eastward through Gary to South Bend, Indiana. These three
cities were linked by an interurban rail line called the South Shore Railroad
which made it easy for people to travel back and forth. We know much more at present about early black A.A. in this area than we do about any other part of the United States. INCLUDES: (a) Interview with Bill Williams of the Evans Avenue A.A. Group in Chicago (came
into A.A. in Chicago in 1945). (b) Jimmy Miller's Story: The First Lady of Black A.A. in the St. Joseph River
Valley (c) Bill Williams' Story: Coming from Chicago to speak to the white A.A.'s in South Bend (d) Two early South Bend answers to racism: (1) Brownie's meeting place at 616
Pierce Street, just off Portage Avenue near downtown South Bend, and (2) Bill
Hoover's Interracial Group. (e) South Bend in 1948 and 1949 (f) Chicago in 1945: The first black people to join A.A. in Chicago ______________________________ http://hindsfoot.org/ngary1js.html John Shaifer: A major Indiana early black A.A. leader from Gary. His work with
prisoners all over the state. His lead and an interview with him. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5624. . . . . . . . . . . . Study of access to and continuance in Alcoholics Anonymous From: loranarcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/8/2009 12:47:00 PM
surveys noted that one of the surveys' limitations was the lack of information on "drop outs".
National Longitudinal Alcohol Epidemiologic Survey (NLAES) to describe and compare 1) those who never attended AA, 2) those who attended AA and dropped out, and 3) those who continued to attend AA. The key findings from the study are: · These data from a nationally representative sample of US adults with alcohol use disorders revealed a robust significant association of high symptom severity with access, continuation and discontinuation from Alcoholics Anonymous. · The association of high symptom severity and negative life events supports the behavioral economic model of AA access and continuation as proposed in this study.
with continuation in AA, except for the variables for gender and education level. Women were less likely to attend AA, but more likely to continue attending AA. College educated respondents were less likely to attend AA, but more likely to continue attending AA.
identified in this study, are associated with access to and continuation in AA. The measure of high severity in this study appears to replicate the AA concept of "real alcoholics" as described in Chapter Three of the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous.
variation in access to and continuation in AA: Highest access in the West and lowest in the South
A Model of Access to and Continuance in Alcoholics Anonymous http://knol.google.com/k/loran-archer/a-model-of-access-to-and-continuance-i n/33\
Loran - - - - Note from the moderator: The full-length paper (whose URL is given above) has some extremely interesting and informative bar graphs which display who is more likely, and who is less likely, to attend AA meetings. Some make good sense by normal AA experience. Having a serious automobile accident because of drinking increases the chance that the alcoholic will start attending AA meetings. Some of the data was surprising to me, however. Loran Archer (who is one of the really great alcoholism researchers) did not find any significant racial differences. Blacks were just as likely as whites to start going to AA meetings under the same circumstances, for example, according to his data.
AA meetings. But once they are attending meetings, women are more apt than men to KEEP ON GOING to meetings. Glenn Chesnut IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5625. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First Black Woman In AA? From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/6/2009 10:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I recently attended a wonderful all-day event in Washington, DC, which was a celebration of the Cosmopolitan Group, first known as the "Washington Colored Group".
approximately 15 men & women....grew to nearly 30 members in the second year." (That would be 1946.)
Julia S., will soon be celebrating 50 years. - - - - From: jm48301@aol.com (jm48301 at aol.com) Of possible interest: http://www.internationalwomensconference.org/history.html - - - - From: jenny andrews (jennylaurie1 at hotmail.com) Then of course there is "Jim's Story" in the Big Book: "This physician, one of the earliest members of AA's first black group, tells how freedom came as he worked among his people." (His people, presumably the black community). Anecdotally I've heard that in the Troubles in northern Ireland AA meetings were one of the few places where Catholics and Protestants sat down together in peace; and blacks and whites in apartheid south Africa (though perhaps that was
a clandestine arrangement). Maybe the respective GSO's could confirm .... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5626. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill''s experiment with keeping liquor in the house From: Keith . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/27/2009 6:29:00 PM
years before rehab centers, alcoholics had to detox each other, and it was 'necessary' to keep whiskey or such in certain homes in those days!
worked the 12 steps, then we can apply BB pg. 101-102. That statement, let us remember, is in the context of having worked all 12 steps. It says at top of page 101 that we should NOT be around such if we are weak. Again the context is that after working steps, we should have some emotional muscle, and be able to be in people's homes without craving, since we have now 'reached a point of neutrality' regarding alcohol.
on this list. Keith R. --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "CloydG" > > Perhaps it comes from the practice, described > on page 103 of "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers," > of giving small amounts of alcohol periodically > to alcoholics who were detoxing, over the first > day or two or three, to help keep them from > going into the DTs. > > Clyde G. > - - - - From: Baileygc23@aol.com (Baileygc23 at aol.com) I do not know if it still is looked on as true, but years ago, they used to say the first 36 hours were the worse for alcoholics, and they had to watch out that withdrawal did not kill the alcoholics. The saying was that drug addicts detoxifying had it rougher than alcoholics but alcoholics could die in those first hours. In the absence of trained medical people some form of gradual withdrawal might be best. My interest would be that we did not do anything to the sufferer to endanger him. - - - - From: jenny andrews (jennylaurie1 at hotmail.com) "Many (sic) of us keep liquor in our homes. We often need it to carry green recruits through a severe hangover..." (Big Book, page 102, fourth edition). However, "These allergic types can never safely use alcohol in any form at all
..." (The Doctor's Opinion, page xxviii op cit my emphasis). So when we say, "It's the first drink that does the damage", it ain't necessarily so. Bill gave Dr Bob a bottle of beer to calm his nerves prior to to his carrying out a surgical procedure on 10 June 1935. As far as we know, and we have no reason to doubt it, that was Dr Bob's last drink, and the date of AA's foundation (Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age, page 71 my edition). And how does Dr Bob's
advice about keeping out of wet places square with contrary advice in the Big
Book, viz: "If you are with a person who wants to eat in a bar, by all means go along... You should not hesitate to visit the most sordid spot on earth on such an errand (to be helpful to others)." (Big Book ibid) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5627. . . . . . . . . . . . Seven-year-old Ignatia sails from Ireland on the SS Indiana From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/10/2009 1:57:00 PM
in 1896: emigration records showing the Gavin family sailing from Queenstown (now Cobh) in Cork on the SS Indiana on 2 April 1896, arriving in Philadelphia on 17 April 1896.
other material from Fiona on Sister Ignatia.) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5628. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What pamphlets and books were sent out in Fall 1939? From: elg3_79 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/11/2009 9:44:00 AM
> > Shortly after relocating from Cleveland to Houston, Larry J sent a January > 28, 1940 letter to Ruth Hock requesting copies of literature which he > identified as Dr Fosdick's review of the Big Book, a July 1939 > Journal-Lancet article by Dr Silkworth (pre-publication portions of which > were included in "The Doctor's Opinion") and something called the "Mt. Airy > Sanitarium bulletin" (which I've yet to see). Pursuant to this, I searched for a while for the mystery document from the Mt. Airy Sanitarium, it having rung a bell somewhere deep in my memory .. Googling turned up towns or areas called "Mt. Airy" which had sanitariums in the first half of the 20th century, very likely treating alcoholics, in Maryland, Colorado and Pennsylvania. Does anyone know which one might be the producer of the bulletin? (Maryland's Garrett Sanitarium is long disused, but there may be traces of the institutions active in the 1930s available in the Philadelphia and Denver areas.)
Doctors Nightmare From: aadavidi . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/12/2009 11:10:00 AM
statement (Big Book page 171): "No beer or liquor was sold in the neighborhood, except at the State liquor agency where perhaps one might procure a pint if he could convince the agent that he really needed it. Without this proof the expectant purchaser would be forced to depart empty handed with none of what I later came to believe was the great panacea for all human ills. Men who had liquor shipped in from Boston or New York by express were looked upon with great distrust and disfavor by most of the good townspeople." Can anyone offer a clear description of the function of the Vermont State liquor
agency in the late 1800's and why a person couldn't purchase all he or she wanted?
raised. He graduated from Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, in 1902.] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5630. . . . . . . . . . . . Is the silkworth.net site down? From: jm48301 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/12/2009 4:12:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Is there a reason, beyond my own incompetence, why I am unable to access the Silkworth site? I have tried both of these: http://www.silkworth.net/ http://silkworth.net/ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5631. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: State liquor agency mentioned in Doctor Bob''s Nightmare From: jeffyour . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/13/2009 9:18:00 AM
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of Prohibition (of Alcohol), which had been in place in Vermont for fifty years
already then. That's why the state agent was circumspect of any request for alcohol.
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> statement (Big Book page 171): > > "No beer or liquor was sold in the neighborhood, except at the State liquor agency where perhaps one might procure a pint if he could convince the agent that he really needed it. Without this proof the expectant purchaser would be forced to depart empty handed with none of what I later came to believe was the great panacea for all human ills. Men who had liquor shipped in from Boston or New York by express were looked upon with great distrust and disfavor by most of the good townspeople." > > Can anyone offer a clear description of the function of the Vermont State liquor agency in the late 1800's and why a person couldn't purchase all he or she wanted? > > [Dr. Bob was born August 8, 1879 in St. Johnsbury, Vermont, where he was raised. He graduated from Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, in 1902.]
> IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5633. . . . . . . . . . . . Correct date of Sister Ignatia''s birth: 1 January 1889 From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/13/2009 2:15:00 PM
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for the SS Indiana," from Fiona D. (County Mayo) Sister Ignatia's date of birth, as given in some of the older historical sources, needs to be corrected. Born Bridget Gavin, this photograph of her baptismal record shows that she was born on 1 January 1889. This is the date which should be used. Also photographs of the three sheets of the original passenger manifest showing Sister Ignatia and her family embarking on the SS Indiana. From Irish AA historian Fiona D. (County Mayo). - - - - ALL FOUR ITEMS FROM THAT SOURCE http://hindsfoot.org/archives.html http://hindsfoot.org/ignatia1.html Sister Ignatia's birthplace in Ireland Photos of the just discovered ruins of the two-roomed stone cottage where Sister Ignatia Gavin, the Angel of Alcoholics Anonymous, was born on 1 January 1889 at Shanvalley, Burren, in County Mayo. Photos and description (13 July 2008) by the Irish AA historian Fiona D.
More on Sister Ignatia's birthplace in Ireland: The Neary family's rental holdings in Griffith's Land Valuation of 1855 When Patrick Gavin and Barbara Neary (Ignatia's father and mother) got married, the couple set up housekeeping in a part of County Mayo where numerous members of the Neary family lived, renting land on the Earl of Lucan's estate. From Irish AA historian and archivist Fiona D. in County Mayo. http://hindsfoot.org/ignatia3.html Seven-year-old Ignatia sails from Ireland to America in 1896 Emigration records showing the Gavin family sailing from Queenstown (now Cobh) in Cork on the SS Indiana on 2 April 1896, arriving in Philadelphia on 17 April 1896, with photographs of the ship and harbor. From Irish AA historian Fiona D. (County Mayo).
Sister Ignatia: baptismal record (birth certificate) and the passenger manifest
for the SS Indiana Sister Ignatia's date of birth, as given in some of the older historical sources, needs to be corrected. Born Bridget Gavin, this photograph of her baptismal record shows that she was born on 1 January 1889.
This is the date which should be used. Also photographs of the three sheets of the original passenger manifest showing Sister Ignatia and her family embarking on the SS Indiana. From Irish AA historian Fiona D. (County Mayo). IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5634. . . . . . . . . . . . Markings AA archives newsletter From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/17/2009 8:40:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Mornin' All- Could someone help me out by giving me the web address for "Markings"? I can't seem to find it...
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on the situation. Mark - - - - From: Buzz G When I go to both of those pages, I get this message: "This website www.silkworth.net is currently unavailable due to exceeded monthly traffic quota. Please visit again later." A few years ago this use to happen at the end of the month. Not good to see this error message on the 11th :( - - - - From: "Ben Humphreys" You did the right thing by asking a question. It works every time. Ben Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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