as an outside-AA examination of our Fellowship.
to its publishing date of a few days ago.
insight.
The article has its good points, especially all of the links inserted into
the text. Are these foot notes, 21st Century style,
because they are more like "corps notes" for HUGE further study and/or
historian.
question, just as the 'comments' section develops a wide range of answers.
individuals.
The "we" in our Twelve Steps, Traditions, and Concepts is possible when it's
discovery to every new day since I admitted powerlessness over alcohol.
(not being helpless anymore) at every meeting I participate in.
too.
The outside world may never fully understand how AA works, but it can see
the results of lives reclaimed and lives restored to health.
The thoughtful posts to our aahistoryovers e-group are more of those
results, and I'm thankful and better off today because of them.
From: Sherry C. Hartsell . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2010 12:55:00 PM
purpose, not one which had a regimented or formal Treatment Program.
Sherry C.H.
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
I would like to add to this question.
responsibility.
Generally speaking, if you sponsored someone, it meant that you would be
picking up their tab.
not appear in the first 164 pages.
> (the equivalent term "spiritual adviser" is used on page 63).
> Thanks for feedback.
> Roy L. ( class of `78 )
Sat. July 3
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Just got this email from Bill C. of Rendondo whose sponsor Jay S. will be
presenting at the International. Jay S. is a real "expert" on Oxford Group
history. Thought I'd pass this on:
Anyone going to San Antonio?
International A.A. Conference
Art S. , Arlington, TX
wrote:
>
> MAIN AA HISTORY LOVERS GET-TOGETHER
> at the San Antonio International, 3:00-5:00 p.m.,
> Saturday, July 3, 2010
> in the AA Online hospitality suite (Crockett
> Suite A/B) at the Grand Hyatt Hotel (the main
> convention hotel).
>
> The AA Online hospitality room will be open continuously from Thursday
through
Saturday. The New York GSO has suggested this to us as an ideal place for
members of the AAHistoryLovers to meet. So if you have some free time, come
in
and sit down and have a cup of coffee and chat. I'll be there when I'm not
otherwise involved, and so will some of our other members, I believe.
>
> Glenn Chesnut, Moderator
> AAHistoryLovers
>
> OTHER EVENTS:
>
> ========================================
> Friday, July 2, 2010
> ========================================
>
> 12 noon - 1:00 p.m.
> GSO Archives, in the Henry B Gonzalez Convention Center -- we will have
some
tables and chairs at our disposal and Michelle Mirza, the GSO Archivist, has
agreed to briefly chat with us. A good chance to learn more about the
historical
resources in the New York AA Archives.
>
> 1:30-3:00 p.m.
> Arthur S. of the AAHistoryLovers will be one of the 3 speakers
participating
in the Archives AA History Workshop at the MRW (Marriott River Walk).
>
> ****3:30-5:00 p.m.
> AN ADDITIONAL GOOD OPPORTUNITY to meet a few AAHL members for anyone who
can't
make the Saturday afternoon meeting: all members of the AAHistoryLovers who
want
to, can meet and discuss Arthur's talk in the AA Online hospitality suite,
Crockett Suite A/B, at the Grand Hyatt Hotel. Or just sit down and have a
cup of
coffee, and have an informal conversation with some of the other AAHL
members
sitting around the table.
>
> ========================================
> Saturday, July 3, 2010
> ========================================
>
> 1:00-2:30 p.m.
> There will be a presentation on the History of AA in New Jersey in the
hospitality suite at the Grand Hyatt in the Bonham Room.
>
> ****3:00-5:00 p.m.
> MAIN A.A. HISTORY LOVERS GET-TOGETHER
> In the AA Online hospitality suite (Crockett Suite A/B) at the Grand Hyatt
Hotel. No program, just come in and sit down and have a chat, and get to
know
some of your fellow AAHL members over a good cup of coffee.
>
> ========================================
>
> ALSO:
>
> 11:00 a.m. Friday and Saturday, July 2 and 3
>
> "In Our Own Words: Pioneers of Alcoholics Anonymous"
> at La Condesa / El Mirador Rooms (22nd Floor)
> Hilton Palacio del Rio, 200 South Alamo Street.
>
> This original play dramatizes the first-hand accounts of the
> founders and pioneers of A.A., including the early members
> of special composition groups in the fellowship. Performed
> by a group of the SF fellowship.
>
> ========================================
> [as revised 6/24/10]
>
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++++Message 6674. . . . . . . . . . . . Fw: [AAFB] OT: Some AA History .....
From: Lynn Sawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2010 2:10:00 AM
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Sent by another member of AAFirmBelievers, an online grp., thot I'd share it
w/all youse guys, too. It's an interesting read.
Lynn S.
alcoholic
Sacramento, CA
Bill Dotson - AA Member #3
"The Man On The Bed"
On a Friday night, September 17, 1954, Bill Dotson died in Akron, Ohio.
"That is, people say he died, but he really didn't," wrote Bill Wilson. "His
spirit and works are today alive in the hearts of uncounted AA's, and who
can
doubt that Bill already dwells in one of those many mansions in the great
beyond."
Bill Dotson, the "Man on the Bed," was AA number 3. At his death, he had not
had
a drink in more than nineteen years. His date of sobriety was the date he
entered Akron's City Hospital for his last detox, June 26, 1935. Two days
later
occurred that fateful day when two sober alcoholics visited him: Dr. Bob
Smith
of Akron, Ohio, and Bill Wilson, a guest of Dr. Bob's from New York.
A few days before, Dr. Bob had said to Bill: "If you and I are going to stay
sober, we had better get busy." Dr. Bob called Akron's City Hospital and
told
the nurse, a "Mrs. Hall," that he and a man from New York had a cure for
alcoholism. Did she have an alcoholic customer on whom they could try it
out?
She replied, "Well, Doctor, I suppose you've already tried it yourself?"
Then she told him of a man who had just come in with DT's, had blacked the
eyes
of two nurses, and was now strapped down tight. "He's a grand chap when he's
sober," she added.
Dr. Bob prescribed some medications, and then asked her to transfer him to a
private room. He also put him on a diet of sauerkraut and tomatoes. That's
all
he was allowed to eat during his hospitalization.
The nurse told Dr. Bob and Bill that Bill Dotson had been a well-known
attorney
in Akron and a city councilman. But he had been hospitalized eight times in
the
last six months. (Bill Wilson sometimes said "six times.") Following each
release, he got drunk even before he got home.
Bill's wife, Henrietta Dotson, had talked to Dr. Bob and Bill earlier. When
she
told her husband she had been "talking to a couple of fellows about
drinking" he
was furious at her "disloyalty." When she told them that they were "a couple
of
drunks" Bill didn't mind so much.
Henrietta apparently had quite a conversation with the two men, and she told
her
husband that their plan for staying sober themselves was to tell their plan
to
another drunk.
Years later, Bill Dotson reflected on the jumbled thoughts in his mind as
his
wife left and he began to lapse back into withdrawal stupor: "All the other
people that talked to me wanted to help ME, and my pride prevented me from
listening to them, and caused only resentment on my part, but I felt as if I
would be a real stinker if I did not listen to a couple of fellows for a
short
time, if that would cure THEM."
So Dr. Bob and Bill talked to what may have been their first "man on the
bed."
They told him of the serious nature of his disease, but also offered hope
for a
recovery. "We told him what we had done," wrote Bill, "how we got honest
with
ourselves as never before, how we had talked our problems out with each
other in
confidence, how we tried to make amends for harm done others, how we had
then
been miraculously released from the desire to drink as soon as we had humbly
asked God, as we understood him, for guidance and protection."
But Bill Dotson was not impressed. He said, "Well, this is wonderful for you
fellows, but can't be for me. My case is so terrible that I'm scared to go
out
of this hospital at all. You don't have to sell me religion, either. I was
at
one time a deacon in the church and I still believe in God. But I guess he
doesn't believe much in me."
(Like so many of us on first coming to AA, Bill Dotson thought he was
"different.") But he did agree to see Dr. Bob and Bill again. They came
again
the next day, and for several days thereafter. When they arrived on July 4,
they
found Bill's wife, Henrietta, with him.
Eagerly pointing at them, he said to his wife: "These are the fellows I told
you
about, they are the ones who understand."
Before they could say anything, he told them about his night, how he hadn't
slept but had been thinking about them all night long. And he had decided
that
if they could do it, maybe he could do it, maybe they could do together what
they couldn't do separately.
It was apparently on that day that he admitted he couldn't control his
drinking
and had to leave it up to God. Then they made him get down on his knees at
the
side of the bed and pray and say that he would turn his life over to God.
Before
the visit was over, he suddenly turned to his wife and said, "Go fetch my
clothes, dear. We're going to get up and get out of here."
He walked out of that hospital on July 4, 1935, a free man, never to drink
again. AA's Number One Group dates from that day.
That Fourth of July they had plenty to celebrate. So they had a picnic. The
Smiths, Bill Wilson, the Dotsons, and Eddie Riley, the first alcoholic they
tried to help were there. (Eddie didn't get sober at first, but later he
did,
and Eddie said in a talk that there were two firsts in A.A. -- the first one
who
accepted the program and the first who refused it.)
Within a week, Bill Dotson was back in court, sober, and arguing a case. But
at
first his wife was doubtful. He had previously gone on the wagon and stayed
sober for long periods. But then he drank again. Would this time be
different?
And he hadn't had that sudden transforming experience that Bill Wilson
talked
about.
When Lois Wilson visited Akron in July of 1935, Henrietta shared these fears
with her, and asked Lois whether she ever worried about her Bill drinking
again.
Lois answered without hesitation, "No. Never."
The message had been successfully shared a second time. Dr. Bob was no
fluke.
And apparently you did not have to be indoctrinated by the Oxford Group
before
the message could take hold.
The three worked with scores of others. "Many were called but mighty few
chosen;
failure was our daily companion. But when I left Akron in September 1935,
two or
three more sufferers had apparently linked themselves to us for good," wrote
Bill.
Dotson's story was not included in the first edition of the Big Book. Ernest
Kurst seems to think it was because Bill Dotson's "credentials," were
apparently
too blatant: highly respectable upper middle-class background, above average
education, intensive youthful religious training which had since been
rejected,
and former social prominence recently nullified by such behavior as his
assault
on two nurses.
In a 1952 discussion with Bill D., he was asked why his story hadn't
appeared in
the first edition of the Big Book. He said that he hadn't been much
interested
in the project or perhaps had even thought it unnecessary. He also said that
Bill Wilson had come out to Akron to record his story, which would be in the
next edition of the book. It appears in the Big Book as "AA Number Three."
Old timers in Akron, according to Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers, "recalled
that
Bill Dotson, was indeed a grand chap when sober. They remembered him as one
of
the most engaging people they ever knew."
One said: "I thought I was a real big shot because I took Bill D. to
meetings,"
Another noted that, though Bill Dotson was influential in the area he was
not an
ambitious man in AA. "He wasn't aggressive, just a good A.A. If you went to
him
for help he would give you help. He would counsel with you. He never drove a
car, but he went to meetings every night. He'd stand around with his thumbs
in
his vest like a Kentucky colonel. And he spoke so slowly, you wanted to
reach
out and pull the words from his mouth. I loved to be around him. He put you
in
mind of a real 'Easy Does It' guy -- Mr. Serenity."
His wife, looking back in 1977, described him as "a great alcoholic who,
like
other alcoholics, didn't want to get drunk." She reportedly remembered
telling
her pastor, "You aren't reaching him. I'm going to find someone who can, if
I
have to see everyone in Akron," and she prayed with the pastor of another
church
that someone her husband could understand would visit him in City Hospital,
where he had been admitted with "some kind of virus."
I have found no reference to his age when Bill and Bob found him, but Bill
keeps
referring to him in the literature as "old Bill D." [Bill Dotson was 43 when
Bill and Dr. Bob found him, just 3 years older than Bill and 13 years
younger
than Dr. Bob.]
In a memorial to Bill Dotson, Bill Wilson wrote: "The force of the great
example
that Bill set in our pioneering time will last as long as AA itself. Bill
kept
the faith -- what more could we say?"
SOURCES:
"Alcoholics Anonymous", "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers", "The Language of
the
Heart", Bill W.'s Grapevine Writings, "Bill W." by Robert Thomsen, "Not God"
by
Ernest Kurtz, "Bill W." by Francis Hartigan, "My Search for Bill W." by Mel
B.
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++++Message 6675. . . . . . . . . . . . Short history of US Servicemen in AA
on the European Continent
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-I have written a history of the US Servicemen and AA on the Continent since
1948. This is a short version.
American Servicemen stationed in West Germany after WW:II brought AA with
them.
Those early english-speaking meetings were held on various Army and Air
Force
Bases in cities like Munich, Wiesbaden, Heidelburg, Frankfurt, Stuttgart and
more. The first and formal recorded invitation to an open meeting in West
Germany was on November 1, 1953 in Munich at the Hotel Leopold in Schwabing.
Master Sargeant Bob S., who is remembered today for having been very active
in
carrying the AA message, led the meeting and the Germans were heartily
invited
to attend. Max had attended the meeting and got sober and was involved in
the
German AA in carrying the message.
Traveling and working Americans and Britains were also instrumental in
helping
start groups in such cities as Frankfurt (1948), Paris (1947), Naples
(1976),
Hamburg (1962, witbillh the help of a Mr. Abels from England) and
Düsseldorf
(1962, with the assistance of Robert from Chicago). (Archives German AA).
A member remembers that the RAmstein Air Base held its first meetings there
in
1962 at the South Side Chapel. In the early days there were about 20 active
english-speaking AA groups in West Germany. Besides Ramstein, the Wiesbaden
group had the strongest sobriety and its members would carry the message to
the
ARmy and Air Force Bases. The 1961 World Directory lists 20 AA groups
(Loners)
and about 170 members.
In 1962, Wiesbaden held its 10th annual Roundup in the High school
auditorium.
At the 11 th Roundup, An invitation was extended to Bill W. to attend the
meeting andto share his story.. Bill gracefully declined and sent them his
best wishes for a successful Roundup.
In AA TODAY, published on Grapevines 25th anniversary,Wiesbaden and its
Roundups
are mentioned. "Much of AAs spread around the world, of course, has been
accomplishedby US servicemen and seamen who-needing to stay sober in strange
surroundings- started their oun groups. There are several now in
(continental)
Europe and 1952 there has been an annual Roundup on Wiesbaden, Germany for
any
AA member in Europe who can get there. Hundreds do- by bus, car, train,plane
and even helicopter. During the meetings, all military members remove their
blouses and caps so the anonymity of AA erases all ranks."
As the membership in the groups grew, it was found necessary to form an
Intergroup in the Greater Frankfurt Area. (1962). American and German groups
were represented. This led to forming an Intergroup for West Germany. In
1971, A letter was sent out from an AA member to all the english speaking
groups
to attend an Intergroup meeting at the Sembach Air Base. There the
Intergroup
was geographically divided into 6 areas with each area to elect its own
secretary and so the areas represented at the Intergroup meeting.
By 1973, there were 9 areas in the Intergroup, It was decided that
Intergroup
sponser a Round up each year. first Round up was held in Wiebaden, Rhein
Main
Bill was the first Committee chairman.
The Intergroup grew fast. It became an International Intergroup Continenal
Europe (1980) and included Finnland, the Netherlands, Greece, Italy, Sweden,
Iceland, Switzerland. The Intergroup felt that is was time that the
extra-territoral service structure in Continental Europe had a say in the
shope
of AA by becoming part of a Conterence structure. Intergroup sent a letter
to
GSO New York about their situation in Europe requesting an opinion. GSO New
York wrote to Intergroup stating, "the purpose of becoming part of the
service
structure is mainly communications and it seems to us that your day to day
dealings are mainly with the European AA community for which the London
office
functions as a communications coordinator."
At the Intergroup meeting in February 1981, the motion as made to join the
Conference structure in GB, but there was no second. the motion was
withdrawn.
Intergroup continued to send 2 delegates to Conference in GSO Great Britain
in
Manchester.
The International Intergroup continued to grow. In 1982 there were 13
registered Areas and by 1985 there were 15 areas in the International
Intergroup. including most of the countries on the western part of the
Continent. This too has changed now.
In 1985, a restructure meeting was held in Nurnberg, inviting Jack from
London
to speak and share about GSO Great BRitain, inviting Intergroup to become a
Region within their structure. (Bill W. had had this idea already when he
visited Europe in 1950). This time the motion was seconded and passed. The
15
areas were divided into 3 Intergroups covering all of Western Continental
Europe. 6 delegates are sent to Conference each year. We are the largest
region within all service structures. There was and is always the problem of
distances and communication.
This brought on the idea to form more intergroups. There about 11
Intergroups,
active and inactive, now on the Continent.
The military drawdown in 1992, decreased the membership. The military had
always been active in AA. This drawdown closed alot of meetings. This has
not hindered the REgion at all. The goal has always been to carry the
message
to the still suffering alcoholic. This meant that we needed a central
telephone number which was has been fulfilled in Germany. By 1998, we had a
Webmaster and he was advised to use the guidelines from York (GSO Great
Britain).(www.aa-europe.net). We are in contact with the Host Nations.
REgion 15 is called Continental European REgion (CER). We have been holding
the REgion meetings in various cities on the Continent, giving as many
members
as possible an Idea of what is going on in our Service structure. (Distances
and Communication.)
We are geographically widespread and encourage all english-speaking members
to
participate and carry the message to the still suffering alcoholic.
This is a very condensed history of CER-Continental European Region 2010
Dolores
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++++Message 6676. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book Page 100 to do with
sponsorship
From: royslev . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2010 9:11:00 PM
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I have to amend my posting below. Jay S. my AA history loving associate
asked me
to make clear that the current incarnation of the Oxford Groups is called
"Initiatives of Change" not "Christian Initiatives" as incorrectly stated
below
by me. Totally my error. Jay emphasized to me that I.C. is a spiritual not a
religious program, no official connection with any religion, including any
Christian group. For the purposes of AA history lovers his association with
it
is an "outside issue." But to me he's still an "expert" on the Oxford
Groups. If
anybody wants any clarification on this modern day evolved version of the
O.G.,
Jay directs us to this website: www.iofc.org
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Roy Levin wrote:
>
> I contacted my AA buddy Jay S. on this topic. Jay will be giving one of
the
talks on AA history at the upcoming Interntational on Friday, I believe.
> Â
> Jay is an expert on early Oxford Group history and has collected first
editions of their literature ("What Is The Oxford Groups?") and heard
recordings or interviewed older members.
> Â
> He even went so far as to join the vestigial remnant of that organization
which I believe is now known as "Christian Initiative" or something like
that. I
forget the name, but Jay showed me pictures of his retreat at their
headquarters
in Switzerland where they rendezvous annually.
> Â
> Jay says he's heard or read accounts by early members which indicated that
the
word "sponsor" was indeed in common usage by the O.G. members. Yes, it did
sometimes mean that one person might pay for the hospital stay ( about $50
in
depression era ) for an alkie's detox if we're talking about the "alcoholic
squadron" of the O.G.
> Â
> But for the non alcoholic members of the O.G. which you realize were
numerically superior to the drunks ( we were in a minority ) the term
"sponsor"
was used commonly much in the same way we use it today, i.e. as someone who
introduces you to the the group and undertakes your early training in
spiritual
practice. A sponsor is a "mentor" in definition and practice, and note the
word "protege" is used in our Big Book. The opposite of a protoge is a
patron
or mentor in common usage, i.e. a "sponsor."
> Â
> To sum it up, O.G. expert Jay says the term comes from the Oxford
Groups. If
you're attending the convention catch his talk or Friday and query him in
person. I plan to be there myself.
> Â
> Roy L. ( class of `78 )
>
> --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Roy Levin wrote:
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> From: Roy Levin
> Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Big Book Page 100 to do with sponsorship
> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 8:20 AM
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> Where is this reference to the use by Oxford Group members of the word
"sponsor" in the same sense of a baptismal Godfather term? Is it in any of
their
literature?
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> From: J. Lobdell
> Subject: Re: Big Book Page 100 to do with sponsorship
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Godparents in Sacramental Baptism -- and btw at Calvary, Bill was Ebby's
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++++Message 6678. . . . . . . . . . . . New Book on Prohibition
From: schaberg43 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/28/2010 10:48:00 AM
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I have just finished reading a new book on the history of Prohibition
(1920-1932) and I would like to recommend it to anyone who is interested in
this
important period just preceding the founding of AA.
The book is "Last Call: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition" by Daniel Okrent
(2010).
I typically keep a list of books I read and write a short `personal' review
for
my own information, which I will share here:
This book on "the rise and fall of Prohibition" that got an excellent review
in
the New York Time Sunday Book Review. In general, I would agree with that
assessment although I felt the writing – at times – got just a bit too
"cute"
for a book that purports to be a serious history.
Who knew? I thought I had a fairly good grip on this phase of American
history –
and one that is so relevant to the history of AA. But I did not. There were
lots
of interesting and intriguing facts and perspectives in this lovely book.
For instance, I didn't know that the Temperance forces had to first get an
amendment passed allowing an Income Tax – so that they could then ban
liquor,
the primary source of the federal government's income. Nor did I have any
idea
of how radical and intrusive this amendment (and the subsequent Volstead Act
to
implement the amendment) was in relation to every-day Americans and what a
potent revolution this was in relation to our concepts of government. Also,
I
was surprised that Prohibition – something I think of as almost `Fascist'
– was
all but universally supported by what in those days were called
"progressives."
Or how much Wheeler and Sabin had to do with the adoption and repeal of
Prohibition respectively.
And all of that just scratches the surface of the wonderful and interesting
facts and insights contained in this book. All in all, a very good book and
one
that I enjoyed immensely.
Because Prohibition so closely preceded – and influenced – the founding
of our
Fellowship, I think this is an important book for anyone with an interest in
the
early history of AA.
Best,
Old Bill
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++++Message 6679. . . . . . . . . . . . New York Times
From: Fiona Dodd . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/29/2010 1:35:00 PM
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Bill Wilson's Gospel
By DAVID
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