(kauaihulahips at yahoo.com)
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++++Message 5583. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Royalties for Grapevine related
literature
From: stockholmfellowship . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/12/2009 12:29:00 PM
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I wrote to the Managing Editor of the AA
Grapevine to find out about royalties and if
the magazines are self-seupporting.
According to the Managing Editor, the AA
Grapevine and La Vina are self-supporting
through magazine and other product sales.
If they are in the red, however, AAWS will
cover the deficit; as has happened in some
fiscal years. However, the business model
was established with the goal of breaking
even.
As far as she knows, in regard to potential
royalties to Bill W.'s estate,
"The Language of the Heart" sales are all
credited to the Grapevine's account.
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++++Message 5584. . . . . . . . . . . . Ralph Pfau instead of Big Book in
early Spanish language AA
From: juan.aa98 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2009 12:19:00 PM
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Ralph Pfau (Father John Doe) more widely read
than Big Book in early Spanish-speaking A.A.
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Juan Rodriguez in California, in his researches
in this area, has found that Spanish transla-
tions of Fr. Ralph’s writings were used as the
basis of Spanish-language A.A. in both North
and South America during the years before there
was a widely available Spanish translation of
the Big Book. The earliest actual text which
Rodriguez has found of a Spanish translation
of the Big Book is from Puerto Rico and dates
to 1959. As we know, the serious legal disputes
which arose later on over rival translations of
the Big Book in Mexico formed one of the most
unseemly scandals of A.A. history. So for
many years, in much of Latin America, Spanish
translations of Fr. Pfau's writings were safer
and more easily available.
Also, Fr. Pfau's prose style was much easier
to translate into Spanish than that of the
Big Book, and seemed to naturally convert
itself into smooth, flowing Spanish.
These translations are in the form of booklets,
usually about one-third to half the length of
the Golden Books, giving individual sections
from Fr. Pfau’s writings. So the twenty page
booklet entitled "La Vida Emocional y el Mito
de la Perfeccion" (“The Emotional Life and the
Myth of Perfection”) was taken from "Sobriety
Without End" (1957) and the twenty-four page
booklet on "Resentimientos" (“Resentments”)
was taken from "Sobriety and Beyond" (1955).
The thirty-six page booklet entitled "Sano
Juicio" (literally “Sane Judgment”) was a
translation of "The Golden Book of Sanity"
(1963).
Fr. Ralph has continued to be a great hero
among Spanish-speakers in the United States
as well. The thirty-two page booklet "Liberado
de las Tinieblas" (“Freed from Darkness”), a
translation of Ralph’s 1958 autobiography
(“Out of the Shadows”) in Look magazine, was
published with a red and yellow cover much
like the old circus cover of the original
Big Books, in 2008 in Hollister, California,
by the A.A. group La Gran Familia, to honor his
memory, and there is a beautiful memorial to
him on a hill top called Serenity Point at
the St. Francis Retreat Center just outside
of San Juan Bautista, California.
Posted by Glenn C., with
information supplied by Juan R.
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++++Message 5585. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Dick Perez from the Akron Area
From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 8:05:00 PM
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Ricardo ("Dick") P. is first mentioned as on
the Central Committee in Cleveland in 1945.
The documentary of Central Bulletins on
Compact Disk ("CB on CD") is available at
nominal price thru the Cleveland District
Office.
Elvira at that office (216-241-7387) knew him.
I have one talk by him produced by Encore
http://www.12steptapes.com/
Dick was mentioned as working for the Mexican
Consulate. The March '46 issue mentions him
as translating the Big Book into Spanish --
although local rumor (as well as Dr. Bob and
the Good Oldtimers) suggest his wife did most
of the work.
Please share your results on this search with
me. It will get to our area and Cleveland
Central Office Archives.
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++++Message 5586. . . . . . . . . . . . Dick Perez
From: juan.aa98 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/13/2009 3:54:00 PM
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What is Dick Perez's sobriety date I am curious
to know?
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++++Message 5587. . . . . . . . . . . . Plenitud magazine for AA''s in
Mexico
From: Juan Rodriguez . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/11/2009 9:11:00 PM
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There is a recovery magazine in Mexico called
Plenitud (translates to Fullness). It has
more circulation and importance in AA Mexico
than the Grapevine. They have done several
articles on him, from interviews in Spanish
that he gave.
I contacted the magazine and they are about to
send me all the info on him that they have
from over 50 years of publication. I will
post my findings.
Juan R.
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++++Message 5588. . . . . . . . . . . . Father Martin Chalk Talk Passing
From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 8:34:00 PM
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baltimoresun.com
The Rev. Joseph C. Martin dies at 84
Leader in fight against alcoholism founded
Father Martin's Ashley in Harford County
By Frederick N. Rasmussen
March 10, 2009
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The Rev. Joseph C. Martin, a recovering alcoholic and an international
leader in
the fight against alcoholism and substance abuse who was a co-founder of
Father
Martin's Ashley, a Harford County treatment center, died early yesterday of
heart disease at his Havre de Grace home. He was 84.
Father Martin's "Chalk Talk on Alcohol" and "No Laughing Matter" have become
standard tools used by recovery centers, schools and employee assistance
programs the world over.
"Father Martin is an icon in the treatment industry and was one of the first
to
describe alcoholism in layman's terms as a disease," said Mark Hushen,
president
and chief executive of Father Martin's Ashley, located near Havre de Grace.
"He helped thousands and thousands directly and indirectly with his message
all
across the world," he said. Mike Gimbel, a substance-abuse expert who was
Baltimore County drug czar for 23 years and now directs an anti-steroid
program
at St. Joseph Medical Center, is an old friend.
"Father Martin has done more to educate and treat those suffering from
addiction
than anyone in the past 50 years," Mr. Gimbel said yesterday. Born in
Baltimore,
the son of a machinist who was a heavy drinker, Father Martin was raised in
Hampden. He was a 1942 graduate of Loyola High School and attended Loyola
College from 1942 until 1944.
He studied for the priesthood at St. Mary's Seminary & University in Roland
Park
from 1944 to 1948, when he was ordained a priest of the Society of St.
Sulpice.
Father Martin began drinking while he held teaching positions at St.
Joseph's
College in Mountain View, Calif., from 1948 to 1956, and later at St.
Charles
Seminary in Catonsville from 1956 to 1959.
"I drank from the age of 24 to 34," he told The Sun in a 1992 profile. "I
was
afraid to go near the altar to say Mass six days a week. I did go on Sunday,
but
shaking all the while."
After his troublesome behavior came to the attention of superiors, Father
Martin
was confined to a psychiatric ward in California in 1956, and after his
release,
returned to drinking double martinis and shots of vodka from hidden bottles
in
his bathroom.
"It never occurred to me that perhaps there was something odd about a priest
walking toward a garbage dump in the middle of the afternoon carrying two
suitcases of clanking bottles," he told The Sun in an interview last year.
Finally, the Archdiocese of Baltimore sent Father Martin to Guest House, a
Michigan treatment center for the clergy, to get sober.
By the time he left Guest House, he had regained his sobriety and found what
would become his life's work.
He converted his notes based on Bill Wilson's Alcoholics Anonymous famous
12-step program into a blackboard talk, which was done on an actual
blackboard
with chalk. During the 1960s, he began presenting it at AA meetings, rehab
centers and private businesses.
In 1972, his "Chalk Talk" lecture was filmed by the Navy and later was
picked up
by the other armed forces where it was used as mandatory addiction training
for
service personnel.
Father Martin and his blackboard lecture were in demand all over the world,
which gave rise to his crack: "Have chalk. Will travel."
In 1964, he became acquainted with Lora Mae Abraham, a mother and a
housewife,
who was the daughter of a Baptist minister.
"I've been sober 45 years. Those years when I was suffering from alcoholism
were
years of disgrace and shame, and especially so because I was a woman," said
Mrs.
Abraham.
One night in 1964, Mrs. Abraham joined other members from her AA meeting at
the
Johns Hopkins University to hear a lecture featuring Father Martin.
"When he walked out on stage and said, 'Hello, I'm Joe Martin, and I'm an
alcoholic,' and that alcoholics are not bad people, they have an illness, I
surrendered right there that night," she said. The two became close friends,
and
it was Mrs. Abraham who suggested in 1978 that Father Martin establish a
center
where alcoholics could come for treatment.
It took seven years of fundraising before they were able to acquire
Oakington,
the former estate of Maryland Sen. Millard Tydings overlooking the
Chesapeake
Bay.
The 22-bed facility opened in 1983 and was named Ashley for Mrs. Abraham's
father, the Rev. Arthur Ashley.
The Rev. Leonard A. Dahl, a Presbyterian clergyman, stepped down two years
ago
as president and CEO at Ashley.
"He also took me to my first AA meeting, and I recently celebrated 36 years
of
sobriety," Mr. Dahl said of Father Martin. "He believed that alcoholism was
his
cross and hymn to carry, and he was never bitter about the disease."
Father Martin, who liked to say, "Give me a blackboard, a piece of chalk and
a
bunch of drunks and I'm at home," always greeted new arrivals with a hopeful
welcome: "The nightmare is over."
Father Martin also made sure that no one was turned away because of their
inability to pay for treatment that can cost $20,800 for the 28-day program.
In the more than 30 years since it accepted its first patient, more than
30,000
people have been treated, including celebrities from the world of Hollywood,
sports and politics.
While retiring from active management in 2003, Father Martin, who had
celebrated
50 years of sobriety, continued lecturing patients until late last year.
Michael K. Deaver, former White House chief of staff during the Reagan
administration, had been a patient and later served on Ashley's board for a
decade.
"When I came to Ashley, I had been with presidents, kings, popes and prime
ministers, but Father Martin was the most powerful person I had ever met,"
Mr.
Deaver said. "You see, Father has the power to change people, to make them
better, to make them whole again."
A Mass of Christian burial will be offered at 10 a.m. Friday at the Basilica
of
the National Shrine of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Cathedral
and
Mulberry streets.
Father Martin is survived by a brother, Edward Martin of Lilburn, Ga.; two
sisters, Frances Osborne and Dorothy Christopher, both of Baltimore; Mrs.
Abraham and her husband, Tommy Abraham, with whom he lived for 30 years; and
many nieces and nephews.
ldpierce
aabibliography.com
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From: "Mike Custer"
(generalc at woh.rr.com)
Father Martin will be missed by many. I had
the pleasure of meeting him a few times at
different talks and events. Thank you for
your service to so many.
May God bless you and yours,
love to all, Mike ...
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++++Message 5589. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San
Quentin
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/11/2009 8:39:00 PM
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But isn't there a difference between a Prison
Group and taking a meeting into a Prison?
Moreover, since the San Quentin group was
formed in 1941 and the first Philadelphia Group
did not exist before 1940, it's hard to see
how it could even have been taking meetings
into Philadelphia prisons two years before
1941.
The first institutional meetings were held
at Rockland Hospital in 1939, which is
New York State tho' the participants were
partly from New Jersey. I think by the way
that this institutional meeting may be the
oldest AA meeting in the same location it was
first held.
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From: John Pine
(johncpine at gmail.com)
Isn't there a difference between a self-
directed, autonomous group within a prison
and meetings that are brought in by outside
groups or individuals?
Could that be the distinction here?
John Pine
Richmond, Virginia
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> From: Shakey1aa@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009
> Subject: Re: the first prison group? NOT San Quentin
>
> The first prison group was definitely not
> San Quentin! The Philadelphia Mother group
> was taking meetings into Philadelphia prisons
> two years before S. Q. and have continuously
> carried on that tradition.
>
> Yours in Service,
> Shakey Mike Gwirtz
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++++Message 5590. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Archival repositories
From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/12/2009 6:07:00 PM
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I have often wondered why regional and state
AA Archives are not placed physically into
the library of a large institution. (Or smaller
local institution.)
I.e. the Texas archives being placed at the
U Texas Library in Austin. Or at SMU in Dallas.
Even a large city library would be a good
choice. (Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin,
have very large pubic libraries.)
The archives could be donated but maintained
by the group donating. Or they could be loaned
(for fixed time 2 year, 5 year, 10 year) this
would allow traveling archives to remove
materials for conventions etc.
I think this would make the materials avail-
able to many more people. For example ,I have
been to Oklahoma City 50 times recently and
almost every time I go to the archives they
are closed.
LD Pierce
editor
www.aabibliography.com
"an internet aa archive!!"
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++++Message 5591. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Anyone know anything about the
first prison group?
From: marionoredstone . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/12/2009 1:09:00 AM
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And of course the rest of the story is that
the 25 millionth copy of the Big Book was
presented to the then current warden of San
Quentin in recognition of its being the
beginning of the prison meetings.
I have presented at one here in central
Indiana and agree with those who say it is
worthwhile.
While talking before the meeting with an
inmate, and hearing his tale, I could
truthfully say the very same thing that
Warden Duffy describes the first AA speaker
to have said to inmates.
God is near
Marion
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++++Message 5592. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Anyone know anything about the
first prison group?
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 5:56:00 PM
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Do you also recall that after receiving the
25 millionth Big Book and returning home she
was out of a job?
A rather ignoble homecoming.
Cheers
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of marionoredstone
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about
the first prison group?
And of course the rest of the story is that
the 25 millionth copy of the Big Book was
presented to the then current warden of San
Quentin in recognition of its being the
beginning of the prison meetings.
I have presented at one here in central
Indiana and agree with those who say it is
worthwhile.
While talking before the meeting with an
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