(aalogsdon at aol.com)
The Copyright Office of The United States gives a publication date of April
10,
1939.
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Original message from: Roy Levin
Subject: Is there a birthday for the Big Book?
Is there an official "AA Birthday" or "sobriety date" for the Big Book
itself?
What I mean, is there a day that Cornwall Press (was that the name of the
original publisher?) announced to Bill and the other AA people that the
books
were ready, and issued them the first copies? (which I believe they mailed
out
to physicians)?
Someone told me that April 11th was the official "birthdate" of the Big
Book, is
that true? Or is it best left just approximated, as April 1939?
Any feedback?
Thanks
Roy L. (class of `78)
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++++Message 7064. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Is there a birthday for the Big
Book?
From: schaberg43 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2010 9:50:00 AM
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Monday, April 10, 1939 is the day that copies of the book were first
available
from the printer.
Old Bill
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++++Message 7065. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener (Burlington,
Vermont)
From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2010 4:30:00 PM
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Burlington Vermont's two local districts print a monthly paper entitled The
Eye
Opener. Started in the 1980's, it has continued off and on till the present.
Online version:
http://burlingtonaa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blo
g&id\
=6&Itemid=8 [34]
John M
South Burlington, Vermont, US
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++++Message 7066. . . . . . . . . . . . Is there a difference between
selfish and self-seeking? BB page 67
From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/23/2010 12:04:00 PM
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Big Book page 67: "Where had we been selfish, dishonest, self-seeking and
frightened?"
I am asking all of you with 1930s era dictionaries, and knowledge of Bill
W's
talks, to help me. Did Bill ever talk about whether there was a distinction
in
meaning between the words "selfish" and "self-seeking" on page 67 in the Big
Book, where we are making our fourth step inventory?
Regards,
Roy L. (class of '78)
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++++Message 7067. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W''s 1954 Review of the
Movement
From: last_town . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/23/2010 9:38:00 AM
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Hello History Lovers! This is my first post.
I recently read Ernest Kurtz's Not God, where the bibliography cites "Bill's
Review of the Movement" from 1954 as "unpublished."
I wondered if this had ever found its way into print or online. It sounds
like a
fascinating document.
Thanks!
Larry H.
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++++Message 7068. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener
From: Lynn Sawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2010 12:50:00 AM
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Dear friends of AAHL,
I got sober in '79 in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and still own and read '24
Hrs. a
Day' and 'Stools and Bottles.' Read 'em in my early sober yrs.
Never was introduced to 'The Eye Opener,' however. Just thot I'd share
w/y'all.
I appreciate all of you guys's hard work!!
Lynn S.
grateful alkie
avid reader, AAHL
Sacramento, CA, USA
DOS = 10/22/79
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++++Message 7069. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Defects vs shortcomings
From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2010 9:30:00 PM
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Also, Chuck Chamberlain in his book "A New Pair of Glasses" says he received
the
same answer from Bill W. when he asked Bill that same question, i.e. "I just
didn't want to repeat myself, using the same word twice." I don't think
Chuck C.
was making this up, I believe him.
regards
Roy L.
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++++Message 7070. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bob Feller''s Passing
From: Aalogsdon . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2010 12:57:00 AM
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I talked to Bob Feller on three different occasions at his museum in Van
Meter
Iowa some years ago always about Rollie Hemsley. I had him autograph and
inscribe baseballs in memory of Rollie Hemsley. He told me that he called
him
his personal catcher and that he was the only baseball person to attend his
funeral. Feller had a great memory and told me a lot about photographs that
I
took to him to identify. He also confirmed what Rollie's speaker tape and
his
relatives had told me; that he never drank again after the initial sobriety
date
of 16 April 1939.
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++++Message 7071. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bob Feller''s Passing
From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2010 9:09:00 AM
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Rollie Hemsley broke his anonymity and talked publicly about being a member
of
Alcoholics Anonymous ONLY AFTER newspaper stories began appearing saying
that he
had gotten sober, and saying that it was the Oxford Group which had gotten
him
sober.
"Rollie explained the difference between the Oxford Group and A.A. like
this:
'You know, if someone gave me tips about baseball and I found out he never
played, I wouldn't pay much attention to him. It's the same thing with
alcohol.'"
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FOR MORE ABOUT THIS, READ:
AA History BUFFS message no. 1011, Wed Apr 3, 2002
From: NMOlson@... moyerolson
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aahistorybuffs/message/1011
Rollie Hemsley
The first case of an anonymity break at the national level occurred in May
1940.
Ralston Burdett "Rollie" Hemsley was born June 24, 1907, in Syracuse, Ohio.
His
debut as a catcher was April 13, 1928. He was the catcher for the Cleveland
Indians, and had just caught a no-hit game pitched by Bob Feller when
publicity
about his alcoholism hit the papers. Rollie had been sober for about a year
at
that time. It was big news, not only in Cleveland and Ohio, but in the
sports
sections of newspapers throughout the country.
Rollie had once been called "Rollicking Rollie," during his drinking days.
He
had set fire to a car, raised hell on trains, caught a ball dropped from
Cleveland's Terminal Tower when drunk (and did it again sober), and was on
the
way out of the big leagues when he finally received help.
Dr. Bob called John R. in April 1939 and said: You're the only one around
here
who knows anything about baseball. Do you know a player named Rollie
Hemsley?
John replied: "Yes, sure I do. He's a catcher for the Cleveland team."
Dr. Bob said: "Well, someone brought him down here, and we've got him over
at
the hospital. You come up and talk to him."
They had put him in the hospital under a false name which reportedly made a
sportswriter at the Beacon-Journal very angry that Dr. Bob wouldn't reveal
it.
When Rollie was released from the hospital he joined the Oxford Group in
Akron.
When the Akron A.A.s left the Oxford Group, Rollie stayed with the Oxford
Group
for a time, but then joined the A.A. group in Cleveland.
So when the story of his alcoholism broke in 1940, credit for his recovery
was
given to the Oxford Group. Then Rollie broke his silence for the first time,
and gave the credit for his sobriety to Alcoholics Anonymous. This caused
some
concern among AA's, but Rollie could hardly be blamed, and the story of his
recovery in A.A. brought many new recruits.
The first story about A.A. that appeared in the Cleveland Plain Dealer (see
Post
17) spoke "a former big league ball player who is recruiting officer ..."
Rollie explained the difference between the Oxford Group and A.A. like this:
"You know, if someone gave me tips about baseball and I found out he never
played, I wouldn't pay much attention to him. It's the same thing with
alcohol."
In the Dr. Bob collection at Brown University is a 1948 Cleveland Indians
World
Series baseball, signed by player and A.A. member Rollie Hemsley and his
teammates.
Rollie died July 31, 1972, in Washington, DC.
Sources:
Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers
A.A. Comes of Age
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++++Message 7072. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Bob Feller''s Passing
From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/19/2010 8:15:00 AM
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The Cleveland Ohio AA central office (incorporated as the Cleveland District
Office) has a display case on Rollie H. which has among other things a copy
of
"Now Pitching: Bob Feller" (his autobiography) with a full chapter on Rollie
H.
It also contains a baseball signed by Feller in memory of Rollie.
These were generously donated to us by California sports memorabilia
collector Jerry L.
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++++Message 7073. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who were the psychiatrists
Rowland H. saw?
From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/19/2010 4:52:00 PM
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Roy Levin wrote:
> Clancy I. of Los Angeles relates (I've heard
> him more than once) that Rowland H. did not
> arrange to see Dr. Jung, until AFTER Dr. Freud
> and Dr. Adler turned him down (or said they
> were too busy to see him). Is there any
> evidence to support such statements?
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I think there is enough information available to put that one to rest. Amy
Bluhm
went over most of the material that I did, and in addition she had some
letters
from another part of the family. It was clear that Rowland went to Europe
specifically to be analyzed by Jung. He wasn't just looking for any famous
European psychiatrist.
Rowland's cousin Leonard Bacon had met several people in Jung's circle of
American followers (at this point, the number was still fairly small) when
he
lived in California during the early 1920s. Leonard went through a
depressive
episode in 1925 and was persuaded by these friends to go to Zurich to be
analyzed. He in turn persuaded Rowland to go, the next year.
A college friend of Rowland, George Porter, was a devoted disciple of Jung,
so
Leonard Bacon enlisted Porter's help in encouraging Rowland to go. Leonard
also
arranged for Rowland to have lunch with Kristine Mann, an analyst trained by
Jung and then practicing in New York. So no, I don't think Rowland had time
to
consider anyone other than Jung.
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++++Message 7074. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who were the psychiatrists
Rowland H. saw?
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/23/2010 11:35:00 PM
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Quite possibly George Porter and Kristine Mann were the two [American]
psychiatrists Rowland is supposed to have seen before he saw Jung.
SEE LAST PARAGRAPH IN CORA FINCH'S MESSAGE BELOW
_____________________________________________
> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> From: corafinch@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:52:20 +0000
> Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Who were the psychiatrists Rowland H. saw?
>
> Roy Levin wrote:
>
> > Clancy I. of Los Angeles relates (I've heard
> > him more than once) that Rowland H. did not
> > arrange to see Dr. Jung, until AFTER Dr. Freud
> > and Dr. Adler turned him down (or said they
> > were too busy to see him). Is there any
> > evidence to support such statements?
>
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>
> I think there is enough information available to put that one to rest. Amy
Bluhm went over most of the material that I did, and in addition she had
some
letters from another part of the family. It was clear that Rowland went to
Europe specifically to be analyzed by Jung. He wasn't just looking for any
famous European psychiatrist.
>
> Rowland's cousin Leonard Bacon had met several people in Jung's circle of
American followers (at this point, the number was still fairly small) when
he
lived in California during the early 1920s. Leonard went through a
depressive
episode in 1925 and was persuaded by these friends to go to Zurich to be
analyzed. He in turn persuaded Rowland to go, the next year.
>
[GEORGE PORTER & CHRISTINE MANN:]
>
> A college friend of Rowland, George Porter, was a devoted disciple of
Jung, so
Leonard Bacon enlisted Porter's help in encouraging Rowland to go. Leonard
also
arranged for Rowland to have lunch with Kristine Mann, an analyst trained by
Jung and then practicing in New York. So no, I don't think Rowland had time
to
consider anyone other than Jung.
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++++Message 7075. . . . . . . . . . . . Chuck C., A New Pair of Glasses
From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/24/2010 10:38:00 AM
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Chuck C. did not write this or any other book, by the way. He never saw "A
New
Pair of Glasses" and I wonder sometimes if he would have approved of it
being
printed. The book is a transcript of sessions of an annual retreat at Palo
Mesa
California. I think Chuck went every year, or he put it on every year ... my
recollection. I have the cassette tape copies of this retreat which was
recorded in 1975. The book came out in 1984 after his death.
My question is, was this a work in process while Chuck was still alive, and
did
he know of it? Maybe someone knows...?
John M
Burlington, Vermont
12-07-1971
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Fri, Dec 17, 2010, Roy Levin referred to something said
by
... Chuck Chamberlain in his book "A New Pair of Glasses" ....
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++++Message 7076. . . . . . . . . . . . Is Grapevine literature "conference
approved"?
From: Tom V . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2010 8:59:00 AM
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Isn't the Grapevine generally considered to be conference approved via
Concept
3?
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++++Message 7077. . . . . . . . . . . . Stories carried over from 1st to 2nd
edition of Big Book
From: Richard . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/27/2010 3:07:00 PM
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According to the prefaces to the 3rd and 4th editions of the Big Book (see
4th
edition p. xi) there were six stories carried over from the first to the
second
editions. But I only count five.
1: European Drinker
2: Home Brewmeister
3: News Hawk (Traveler, Editor, Scholar)
4: The Man Who Mastered Fear (The Fearful One)
5: Our Southern Friend
6: ???
Can anyone can help? Thanks.
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++++Message 7078. . . . . . . . . . . . Who were the four serious founders
of the Washingtonians?
From: Ronny . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/25/2010 4:43:00 PM
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There were six men who were sitting at Chase's Tavern in Baltimore one night
when The Washingtonian Movement was thought of. But all the things I have
read
say that only four of those six men went to the meetings and actually
started
the group.
I know the name of the original six, but does anyone know which four of them
went to the meeting the next night after they left Chase's Tavern?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washingtonian_movement
The Washingtonian movement was a 19th century fellowship founded on April 2,
1840 by six hard drinkers (William Mitchell, David Hoss, Charles Anderson,
George Steer, Bill M'Curdy, and Tom Campbell) at Chase's Tavern on Liberty
Street in Baltimore, Maryland. The idea was that by relying on each other,
sharing their alcoholic experiences and relying upon divine help, they could
keep each other sober. Total abstinence from alcohol was their goal. The
group
taught sobriety and preceded Alcoholics Anonymous by almost a century.
Members
sought out other "drunkards" (the term alcoholic had not yet been created),
told
them their experiences with alcohol abuse and how the Society had helped
them
achieve sobriety. With the passage of time the Society became a
prohibitionist
organization in that it promoted the legal and mandatory prohibition of
alcoholic beverages. The Society was the inspiration for Timothy Shay
Arthur's
Six Nights with the Washingtonians and his Ten Nights in a Bar-Room.
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++++Message 7079. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Stories carried over from 1st to
2nd edition of Big Book
From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/27/2010 6:38:00 PM
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From Rick Tompkins (also Jay Lawyer, Kimball Rowe, R. Peter Nixon, and
Jonathan
Lanham-Cook)
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Dr. Bob's Nightmare, of course! Across all four Editions, originally titled
"The
Doctor's Nightmare" in our First Edition.
Ciao, Rick, Illinois
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Original question from "Richard"
(dillonr9 at yahoo.com)
According to the prefaces to the 3rd and 4th editions of the Big Book (see
4th
edition p. xi) there were six stories carried over from the first to the
second
editions. But I only count five.
1: European Drinker
2: Home Brewmeister
3: News Hawk (Traveler, Editor, Scholar)
4: The Man Who Mastered Fear (The Fearful One)
5: Our Southern Friend
6: ???
Can anyone can help? Thanks.
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++++Message 7080. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Stories carried over from 1st to
2nd edition of Big Book
From: Jay Pees . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/27/2010 6:10:00 PM
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"The Car Smasher" in the first edition was re-titled "He had to be Shown" in
the
second edition according to
http://www.silkworth.net/aabiography/storyauthors.html
He was **
**Dick S.*- AA#7, from Akron, Paul
S.
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