(kentedavis at aol.com)
who said:
I have been unable to locate a reference to anyplace where Bill said why he
used
both "defects" and "shortcomings" in the steps. Can anyone give me some help
locating a reference where Bill is quoted as to why he used these two
different
words?
4. Made a searching and fearless MORAL INVENTORY of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact
nature of
our WRONGS.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these DEFECTS OF CHARACTER.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our SHORTCOMINGS.
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++++Message 7040. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Defects vs shortcomings
From: planternva2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/7/2010 7:44:00 AM
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On page 22 of "A New Pair of Glasses" Chuck C. states,
"I bet there've been a million hours spent in arguing over why step six says
"...were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character"
and
step seven says "Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings."
And there's been a million hours spent on "What's the difference between
'shortcomings' and 'defects of character'?"
There's supposed to be a difference! I asked Bill, and he said, "I don't
know, I
think I didn't want to end two lines right next to each other with the same
words. They mean the same thing."
So that's going to knock a lot of arguments out, isn't it?"
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++++Message 7041. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Defects vs shortcomings
From: MarionORedstone@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/7/2010 10:17:00 PM
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I think there is a string on that in this data base. My recollection is that
there was not profound pondering involved. I have attended meetings since
1985
and assimilated from the wisdom of the groups the following:
So many ways to be inadequate. One of the conundrums that I have mulled is
the
various ways Bill W. expressed my inadequacies as a human being within the
Twelve Steps. First he requires that we get a piece of paper, a writing
instrument and
4. Ma[k]e a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
But it isn't a complete inventory, all he asks is that we look at our
resentments and determine ultimately where we were at fault. He asks that we
identify our fears and respond to the rhetorical question whether self
reliance
failed us. And finally he asks that we look at our interpersonal
relationships
and determine how we could set those matters straight.
Nowhere in this supposed inventory do we compare our actions directly to any
code of moral conduct such as the Ten Commandments and assess where we were
lacking in conformance. But in the Fifth Step we do so when we:
5. Admit[ted] to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact
nature
of our wrongs.
Now we are given better direction. In a legal sense wrongs are both civil
misbehavior causing harm to one or more persons or to their property as well
as
criminal misbehavior contrary to written law. Wilson was probably familiar
with
that concept from his legal training. This is the true moral inventory in my
opinion. So it seems that this compendium of misbehavior on my part gives
evidence to the "defects of character" that Step Six addresses:
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
But those misbehaviors are just that, not character defects, such as
selfishness, dishonesty, procrastination, avoidance or moral laziness. We
are to
turn those defects over to God as we understand God when we:
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Thankfully, Bill W. gives us a loophole and doesn't insist that all our
defects
of character be removed. Only those "that stand in the way of my usefulness
to
[God] and others." Seventh Step Prayer.
When I continue to address Steps Six and Seven within the Step Ten
(Spiritual
Progress Step), I again raise up to God as I understand God those
shortcomings
that stand in the way of my usefulness to God and others, all of which I
identified when I first did Step Six. I was able to be thorough because I
had
achieved a degree of "undefendedness" through my Fourth and Fifth Step
exercises.
God is near,
Marion O.R.
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++++Message 7042. . . . . . . . . . . . Who were the psychiatrists Rowland
H. saw in the U.S.?
From: Lois Stevens . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2010 5:06:00 PM
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Could you tell me who was the American psychiatrists were that Rowland H.
saw
before he went to Europe.
See the Big Book pg. 26: "For years [Rowland Hazard] had foundered from one
sanitarium to another. He had consulted the best known American
psychiatrists.
Then he had gone to Europe, placing himself in the care of a celebrated
physician (the psychiatrist, Dr. Jung) ...."
Lois S., a grateful member
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++++Message 7043. . . . . . . . . . . . Who was Bobbie?
From: bob gordon . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2010 4:59:00 PM
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Who is the 'Bobbie' that Bill refers to in his 1944 Xmas greeting to AA?
*Greetings Christmas 1944*
Yes, it's in the air! The spirit of Christmas once more warms this
poor distraught world. Over the whole globe millions are looking
forward to that one day when strife can be forgotten, when it will be
remembered that all human beings, even the least are loved by God,
when men will hope for the coming of the Prince of Peace as they never
hoped before.
But there is another world which is not poor. Neither is it
distraught. It is the world of Alcoholics Anonymous, where thousands
dwell happily and secure. Secure because each of us, in his own way,
knows a greater power who is love, who is just, and who can be
trusted.
Nor can men and women of AA ever forget that only through suffering
did they find enough humility to enter the portals of that New World.
How privileged we are to understand so well the divine paradox that
strength rises from weakness, that humiliation goes before
resurrection; that pain is not only the price but the very touchstone
of spiritual rebirth.
Knowing it's full worth and purpose, we can no longer fear adversity,
we have found prosperity where there was poverty, peace and joy have
sprung out of the very midst of chaos.
Great indeed, our blessings!
And so,-- Merry Christmas to you all-- from the Trustees, from *Bobbie* and
from
Lois W. and Bill W.
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++++Message 7044. . . . . . . . . . . . The Eye Opener
From: jbringbloom . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2010 1:34:00 PM
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A person in my home group mentioned a morning meditation book out of the Old
Dominion Group on the east coast, called "The Eye Opener." I have been
unable to
find any information about this. Wondering if it is still in existence? Is
it
still available? Any information would be appreciated.
In love and service, Jim R
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++++Message 7045. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 7:36:00 PM
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This sounds like something different from what you were asking about, but
there
was something called The Eye Opener that was published in Los Angeles,
California, during the early AA period.
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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1506
'The Eye Opener', Los Angeles, Cal.-"The world and other people are all
wrong?
So what? Are you going to try to straighten out the world-or you own life?
One
successful A.A. attitude is, 'If I quit drinking, get sober and
clear-headed,
then I can do something about situations that now defeat me.' Your first
problem
is: What do you do about yourself?"
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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1505
Grapevine, Oct. '47 -- A. A. Digest -- Excerpts from Group Publications
'The Eye Opener', Los Angeles, Calif.-"After being a member of A.A. for a
few
months I often find myself wondering, when I hear the word 'dry' used, if
there
were others who, like myself, were on a 'dry' program. A.A. is not a 'dry'
program. There's nothing arid about it; it is life itself-a life that teems
with
vitality; that is filled with serenity and happiness."
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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1504
Grapevine, Aug. '47 -- A. A. Digest -- Excerpts from Group Publications
'The Eye Opener', Los Angeles, Calif.-"The remarkable thing about this A.A.
is
that it sneaks up on you exactly as your drinking did. All I have to do is
to
refer back to my first hypercritical attitude. Of course, when I first came
in,
everybody told me to 'relax and take it easy.' I didn't know it then but I
was
so tense when I joined A.A. that I didn't need the aid of a hypnotist to
stretch
myself between two chairs...The hardest job I had then -and still have -is
to
take it easy. I think I'm on the right track now, however ...We've found
A.A.-which means that our sobriety is practically a foregone conclusion. And
if
that be true, why not relax and enjoy it?"
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This publication is also mentioned in AAHL Messages 1502, 1499, 1487, 1485,
1484, 1466, 1462, 1460, 1423, 1401, and 1385
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++++Message 7046. . . . . . . . . . . . Bobbie B.
From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 8:54:00 PM
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From: Manuscript of AA World History (1985) by Bob UP. (unpublished)
Info on "Bobbie" BE.
May 1, 1944, Headquarters moved into a three-room office at 415 Lexington
Avenue, opposite Grand Central Station. “We made this move,” Bill wrote,
“because the need for serving the many A.A. travelers through New York had
become urgent. Our new location near Grand Central brought us into contact
with
visitors who, for the first time, began to see Alcoholics Anonymous as a
vision
for the whole world. Thousands of A.A.’s, their families, their friends,
their
clergymen, their doctors and their employers have since visited the New York
Headquarters.”
Besides Bill, the personnel at the time of the move consisted of Margaret
“Bobbie”B., who had replaced Ruth Hock as “A.A.’s National Secretary
#2,” and
three assistants. Bill praised Bobbie for her “complete loyalty and
devotion and
her unbelievable energy and capacity for hard work.” “The growth of
Alcoholics
Anonymous continued at a pace which was to us sometimes staggering,” Bill
said.
By early 1945, the office had six full-time employees and had a budget of
$9,000
for the six-month period. In July, additional space had to be rented on the
10th
floor of the building for shipping and storage. Mrs. Lowe, the bookkeeper,
was
acting as the office manager and personnel supervisor. A search was under
way
for an assistant to Bobbie B.
The next appeal was for $11,000. As Bill explained, “As A.A. was growing,
Headquarters had to grow, too -- fortunately not as fast as A.A. did, or the
bill would never have been paid. A.A. was getting so big that we could not
possibly educate all members on what Headquarters was doing. Many groups,
preoccupied with their own affairs, failed to help us at all. Less than half
of
them contributed anything. We were plagued with constant deficits in
contributions which luckily would be plugged up with money from the sale of
the
Big Book and our growing pamphlet literature. Without this book income we
would
have folded up entirely.”
According to Nell, Bobbie B. had been a dancer in Paris in the 1920’s and,
in
the fashion of the 1940’s, wore “tiny little hats and went tripping
along in her
high heels, but was a fantastic communicator. I can’t tell you the number
of
people -- the countless, countless number of people all over the world who
owe
their sobriety to that woman. She was fantastic in that respect, but a
little
shaky on office discipline. She was really out of that part of the work.
A major step in improving the operation of the office came when, in 1949,
the
Alcoholic Foundation appointed a General Service Committee to act as an
“advisory body to the Headquarters staff in connection with those problems
of
policy and administration requiring immediate attention.” This committee,
consisting of Trustees and acting in behalf of the Foundation, oversaw the
Headquarters on a day-to-day basis, and its chairman was therefore the de
facto
volunteer manager of the office.
Henry “Hank” C. was the first person to fill both these positions and
carried
both titles. So has every general manager of C.S.O. since that time. Dennis
Manders explains, “The title Chairman of General Services meant that he
was the
liaison between the daily operations of the office and the Alcoholic
Foundation
or General Service Board. He actually wore two hats. In those days, the
general
manager chaired the publishing company meetings. And as Chairman of General
Services, he had the difficult task of having to ride herd on Bill on a
daily
basis -— and was responsible to the Board for doing so.”
When the present structure was adopted in, the General Service Committee
ceased
to exist, its function being assumed by the A.A. World Services Board -- but
the
dual responsibility of the general manager continued. Both Herb M. and Bob
H.
served as Chairmen of the General Service Committee when it was still
active,
later becoming paid general managers of G.S.O. (see below).
The appointment of the General Service Committee coincided with (and was
perhaps
prompted by) the discharge of Bobbie B. -- and soon afterward, of Charlotte
L.
as well because of alcoholic slips. According to Nell and Ann M., their
relapses
were partly caused by the enormous workload combined with confusion of the
early
office. Nell says, “The four or five movie companies and all the press
they had
to deal with, and the groups proliferating and the prisons and hospitals
starting, and the internationalists, and all -- that poor woman (Bobbie] was
just overwhelmed. The A.A. staff worked long hours all week and then
sometimes
went out to speak or to A.A. weekends, where they were ‘Mrs. A.A.’ and
people
showered them with affection and admiration. That ego-inflation was hard to
handle when they’d been sober just a few years, as they had in those days.
And
they were exhausted, too.” Bobbie and Charlotte were apparently both on
pills
for some time before they returned to drinking.
(Relapses among other staff members in the ‘50’s brought about changes
in
policy. A minimum of four years’ sobriety was established as a requirement
of
employment for the staff. The staff was encouraged to take compensatory days
off
for time worked over a weekend, including trips to attend A.A. events. This
avoided the stress of a seven—day—a—week work schedule. Also, the
number of
staff members was increased, so the workload was more reasonable and the
trips
were spread out, as well. Finally, the office became better-organized and
operating departments assumed more routine duties. For whatever reason, the
problem of slips among the A.A. staff virtually disappeared.)
With the departure of Bobbie B. and the involvement of the General Service
Committee, Headquarters activity was divided into two divisions under the
overall supervision of the Senior General Secretary, who was now Marian M.
She
was in direct charge of all public relations, dealing with the press, radio,
films, doctors, clergy, etc. She was also responsible for the management of
the
office and its personnel. She had two assistants, Ann M. and Luc P. Another
General Secretary, Ruth B., was in charge of Group Relations, also with two
assistants, Jinny T. and Polly P. The Group Relations division was charged
with
maintaining close relationships with the groups, handling group
correspondence
and personal visits, and acting as a reservoir of group experiences to draw
upon
in solving group problems.
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Additional info:
Dave B. who was the founder of AA in Quebec and his story is in the 4th
edition
of the BB was sponsored by Bobbie. He had contacted her looking for help and
for
a period of 6 months she wrote him a letter every day and included
literature
and called him periodically. Dave often stated that the contact with Bobbie
was
his life line on which his sobriety hung.
The AA Grapevine of April 1953 published an article by Bill W. in memory of
Bobbie.
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Hope this info helps
Jim B.
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++++Message 7047. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Who was Bobbie?
From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 9:49:00 PM
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I've had the rare opportunity to read through many hundreds of Bobbie's
letters
and she was definitely indispensable to the 1940s Alcoholic Foundation
Office
and the growth of AA.
When this Christmas card was issued, Bobbie B. (aka Margaret Burger) was
then
the only Secretary to our "AA Headquarters."
She assumed full secretarial responsibilities after Ruth Hock left the
Office in the spring of 1942 for marriage and a new Ohio home.
Bobbie was as prolific a correspondent as Ruth had been, personally
responding to thousands of letters coming to the Office from established
Groups,
new Groups, Twelfth Step referrals, and she had a wonderful gift of
cultivating
correspondent friends across the growing Fellowship. Bobbie was an AA
member, a
recovered alcoholic, a pen pal, an encouraging, compassionate AA servant,
and
was very attractive (one rare photo of her is placed with other AA pioneers
on
the second floor library wall at Bill and Lois' home in Bedford Hills).
As the 1940s rolled on, the Trustees were reluctant to approve hiring new
secretaries while Bobbie continued with the growing Office responsibilities.
Unfortunately in 1947, she suffered a physical and emotional breakdown from
the
workload and she left the AF employment. I've seen letters from around the
same
time that explained away her absence that she'd gotten engaged, but she
actually
experienced a complete nervous breakdown. Bill vigorously requested that the
Trustees assist with her medical expenses (which was granted), and at least
two
new secretaries were needed to perform the same services she had met for
five
years non-stop.
One of the new replacement secretaries was Nell Wing, who later pioneered
our
Fellowship's archives work.
Rick T., Illinois
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++++Message 7048. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Who was Bobbie?
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 9:59:00 PM
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From Jared Lobdell and Shakey Mike
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From: "J. Lobdell"
(jlobdell54 at hotmail.com)
Margaret Roberts (Bobbie) B (1904?-1953), at that time the Secretary in New
York
City (between Ruth Hock and Nell Wing).
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From: "Michael D Gwirtz"
(Shakey1aa at aol.com)
Margaret "Bobbie" Berger, a.k.a. "Lambie Pie" (Bill had nicknames for all
his
secretaries).
Shakey Mike
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++++Message 7049. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 10:03:00 PM
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At 12:34 12/9/2010, jbringbloom wrote:
>A person in my home group mentioned a morning meditation book out of
>the Old Dominion Group on the east coast, called "The Eye Opener." I
>have been unable to find any information about this. Wondering if it
>is still in existence? Is it still available? Any information would
>be appreciated.
There is an Eye Opener you can purchase from Amazon for $11.86
http://www.amazon.com/Eye-Opener-Alcoholics/dp/0894860232
as well as Hazelden.
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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From: "Virgil"
It's a Hazelden publication, and it still can be ordered. First one I ever
got
came in a boxed set along with; The Little Red Book, Stools and Bottles, and
I
believe Day By Day. Cost about 12.95 each. Amazon carries it.
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From: Tim DeRan
In my collection of daily reader/meditation books, I have one light blue
covered
book with the words "The Eye Opener" on it. This book is a daily reader
similar
to many of the other daily reader/meditation books that are available. I
have
had it for many years. I checked the Hazelden site and the same book is
available from them for about $13.95 plus tax and shipping.
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From: "Michael D Gwirtz"
From: "Theron B."
From: J Chooutla
From: Rick Hoffmeister
Buy the book at Hazelden. Also available on Amazon.
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++++Message 7050. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The Eye Opener
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 2:49:00 PM
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Since you ask --
The Eye Opener Hardcover
Hardcover, 384 pages
Item: 1020
ISBN-10: 0894860232
ISBN-13: 9780894860232
Publisher: Hazelden
Published Year: 1967
List Price: $13.95 Each
Online Price: $12.55 Each
The late Ambrose M., Delegate from Eastern PA 1979-80, was buried with his
copies of 24 Hours a Day, The Little Red Book, Stools and Bottles, and The
Eye-Opener. "Eye-Opener" is also a fairly common name for 7 a.m. meetings,
not
only in California. I think the first edition may have been earlier than
1967
(Google books gives a pub date of 1965).
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++++Message 7051. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener (Los Angeles
version)
From: Charles Knapp . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 11:21:00 PM
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Hello Group,
The publication Glenn is talking about was the Los Angeles, California,
Central
Office newsletter called "The Eye Opener." It was only published for a
little
over two years. It ran from Sept or Oct 1945 until Feb 1948. Members in
Southern
California did not or could not support the newsletter financially and it
became too costly to publish for free. The LA Central Office would not have
another newsletter until about 1972. That publication is called "Hello
Central"
and is still being published today.
Hope that helps
Charles from Wisconsin
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++++Message 7052. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener (Oklahoma prison
newsletter)
From: Chris Budnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 12:59:00 AM
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There is a prison based AA newsletter from McAlester, Oklahoma, called "Eye
Opener." I've seen reference to it as early as 1955 in the South Dakota
State
Penitentiary newsletter the AlconAire. And I've got three images of covers
of
the Eye Opener from the early 1970's.
Chris B.
Raleigh, North Carolina
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++++Message 7053. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener
From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 7:59:00 PM
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I thought I had built a page about this book on my website
(aabibliography.com)
but apparently not (looks like to need to get one done!)
The eye opener
http://books.google.com/books?id=7aG9ioHYN5gC&lpg=PP1&dq=book%20the%20eye%20
open\
er%20alcoholics&pg=RA1-PA6#v=onepage&q&f=false [31]
Alcoholics Anonymous
THE EYE OPENER
FIRST PRINTING
Sponsored by Alexandria Group
This book is in excellent condition. Pictured are two books - the black one
is
the first printing done by the group in Alexandria and the little blue one
is an
early printing done by Hazelden. (I'm including that one in as a bonus)
These first printings have been listed on Ebay this past year for over
$1,000.
They are certainly very difficult to find and this copy is near min
PREFACE
"This little book is dedicated to bring various phases of AA philosophy to
the arrested alcoholic ans interpreted and understood by the author. It is
not
in any sense official, for AA has no official opinion and each member speaks
only for himself.
"The author of this poor work is neither a writer nor a scholar. His
philosophy is not original and was gleaned from many sources.
If some hear is made lighter, some happier, or some soul strengthened, we
will feel bountifully repaid for our efforts."
The publishers gratefully acknowledge the generosity of T.W.R.
the amazon page has a six page preview of the book also.
LD Pierce
http://www.aabibliography.com
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "jbringbloom"
wrote:
>
> A person in my home group mentioned a morning meditation book out of the
Old
Dominion Group on the east coast, called "The Eye Opener." I have been
unable to
find any information about this. Wondering if it is still in existence? Is
it
still available? Any information would be appreciated.
>
> In love and service, Jim R
>
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++++Message 7054. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener
From: Michael . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 10:31:00 AM
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Hi Jim,
Hazelden took over publication of this book many years ago. When I came in
the
Fellowship (1978) this was a very popular book and was usually available at
meetings that had a literature table, along with the Little Red Book, Twenty
Four Hours a Day, etc.
It's still available through Hazelden. I have one very old version of
the book that still has the groups name in it, and also a newer one from
Hazelden. I sobered up in the DC area, so considering the books origin it
might
have been a little more popular around here.
http://www.hazelden.org/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?item=58103&sitex=10020:
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Mike Margetis
Brunswick, MD
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From: "oys.jerry@gmail.com"
The Eye Opener Is published by Hazelden. It is still in print and readily
available.
I PURCHASED MY COPY BETWEEN 1972-1974.
In love and service.
Jerry Oys
Southern Minnesota Area Archivist
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From: John Barton
The Eye Opener is a meditation book published by Hazelden, often
sold as a set with the 24 Hour Book and Stools & Bottles.
PUBLICATION DATE IS GIVEN AS 1967
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From: "Virgil"
From: N FINLAYSON
From: "Janis R"
Available from Hazelden and Amazon
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++++Message 7055. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who were the psychiatrists
Rowland H. saw in the U.S.?
From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 7:52:00 PM
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Lois and Group,
Years ago I spent quite some time with Rowland's checking account ledgers.
One
of the things I did was to write down the names of all the doctors he had
paid,
and try to make some sense of the list. There were quite a few.
It was easy to tell which doctors treated RH himself, as the family member
treated was identified by initials with each check. Part of the reason for
the
large number treating Rowland may have been that during prohibition, the
only
legal alcohol was alcohol prescribed by a physician (communion wine was one
of
the few other exceptions), and each doctor could prescribe only a certain
amount
for each patient. It was not uncommon for alcoholic patients to go to a
number
of doctors. So it is impossible to know which doctors Rowland was consulting
for
help to get his drinking in control, and which ones were just rationalizing
that
he might actually need the alcohol.
I googled each name and came up with only a few of note. One doctor he saw
frequently was Dr. Samuel Lambert, brother of Dr. Alexander Lambert who was
once
involved with Town's Hospital. Samuel Lambert, unlike Alexander, thought
that
alcohol had medical value so he was likely prescribing it for RH. Rowland
also
briefly saw a Dr. Quackenbos, who may have been a hypnotist.
The specific term "psychiatrist," BTW, was not in as common use then as now.
I
will assume you mean any doctors whose treatment probably included
psychological
care.
The first mention I saw of treatment was not actually a doctor's name but a
remark in an aunt's letter dated 1924, "I hear Roy has gone to an exercise
place. I assume that means a relapse." I had to read that one over a few
times
to believe that she had really put it that way. The language just sounded
too
modern. I can't see how the relapse could have been anything other than
alcoholism, as he had no other chronic conditions.
Around 1925, he had a consultation or two (not extended therapy) with Dr.
Edward
Zabriskie, head of New York's Neurologic Institute. Zabriskie was one of the
best-known neurologists in New York, and it is interesting that a few years
earlier Dr. Zabriskie had helped Sam Shoemaker study psychological treatment
while Sam was in training for the ministry.
In the summer of 1925, Rowland went into extended treatment with Dr. Austen
Fox
Riggs in Stockbridge, MA. He was there for a month, then returned about once
a
month through the end of the year. He was on his way to return to Dr. Riggs
care
in the spring of 1926 (not exactly of his own volition but because his wife
said
so), when he was persuaded to go to Jung in Zurich instead.
Rowland was treated by other doctors/therapists after Jung, but your
question
concerned only those before. You are probably lucky I can't find all my
notes!
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++++Message 7056. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Who was Bobbie? -- contact with
Addicts Anonymous
From: Chris Budnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 1:03:00 AM
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I've seen correspondence between Bobbie and a man named Clarence B.
regarding Addicts Anonymous from 1949.
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++++Message 7057. . . . . . . . . . . . Authors of 4th edition Big Book
stories
From: hjfree2001 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2010 6:16:00 AM
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FROM THE MODERATOR: before sending in an e-mail trying to answer Rob M.'s
question, please read my warning below, about breaches of anonymity. --
Glenn C.
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