>>> and 12 Concepts written on them.
>>> I'm from an AA group in Brisbane, Australia ....
>>> 12x12 two different things Tradition 3 etc.).
>>> saying that he was against the banners.
>>> I have never read or heard this before. I have
>>> on this.
what's allowed to be sent out to this group.
Please read the guidelines again. Thank you.
Just Love,
music, or send a song in the mail. It's all in service, fun and fellowship
eaters, etc, to do entreacts while bands are setting up and breaking down.
will be hosted by Stockholm, Sweden, July 23-25, 2010. More information at
pictures of both Bill W. and Dr. Bob on the AA
in carved wood.
about this, but it just happens.
confessing all. Here too I have to confess all my
errors. Here they talk to us of good things.
images in a Catholic church. For this man, his
A.A. colleagues were confessors and Bill W.
and Dr. Bob his saints."
From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/10/2010 8:59:00 PM
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Hello peter@aastuff,
Most all Area websites have a link to the AAWS site www.aa.org and its
extraordinary AA Archives portal.
of American Archivists. Located in Chicago, Illinois it is a massive
resource for conservation methods, ethics, and continued study. SAA also has
membership offers allowing discounted books and a wealth of information. SAA
conservation.
http://www.archivists.org
Conservation materials? The best source I have found over the years is
Gaylord Brothers out of Syracuse, New York. Out of about five companies, it
has the best prices for materials and its customer service is excellent.
and pamphlets about conservation methods.
http://www.gaylord.com
Here's a caveat: both these non-AA sites may not approve of posted links
them on an AA History web page.
On your own, though, anyone here should feel free to explore either site.
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/10/2010 8:50:00 PM
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Dr. John (Dropkick) Murphy (yes, he was actually
Eddie Costello (b. 1928) who watched him wrestle
1973).
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(steven.calderbank at verizon.net)
Dropkick Murphy's was supposedly a rehab center
in oldtime Boston (I believe).
There is a Celtic Rock band named that as well.
Here is an article where they make small mention
of it:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/calendar/articles/2004/03/11/a_sold_
out_\
homecoming_for_murphys/ [5]
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From the moderator, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropkick_Murphys
"Dropkick Murphys are an American Celtic punk/
hardcore punk band formed in Quincy, Massachusetts.
There are differing stories as to the origin of
the band's name. Former band member Marc Orrell
has said:"
"The Dropkick Murphy will come and get you if
you don't go to sleep tonight. It's a rehab
center, I think it's in Connecticut. I think
it was the guy who used to come around late at
night for all the drunks, like if you were too
drunk to drive home, he would come and get you
and put you in this hole that you couldn't get
out until you were sober enough, I don't know.
There's a bunch a stories, it's also a boxer,
a bunch of things, a rehab center in Connecticut,
grandparents used to scare kids with it."
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The original message quoted the lines from
the poem which said:
> We went to doctors and they gave us stuff to take
> that would make us sick when we drank
> on the principle of so crazy, it just might work, I guess
> or maybe they just shook their heads
> and sent us places like Dropkick Murphy's
> and when we got out we were hooked on paraldehyde
> or maybe we lied to the doctors
> and they told us not to drink so much
> just drink like me
> and we tried
> and we died
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++++Message 6329. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bridge of Reason
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/10/2010 5:30:00 PM
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"Who am I to say there is no God." was said by John Henry Fitzhugh
Mayo. It's in the book on 2 different pages. Both He and Jimmy Burwell
attended
the same Episcopal Academy in Va. Fitz's father was a Episcopal minister
educated in Princeton ministering in Cumberstone Md. Interestingly , One
re-found his religion and one remained agnostic, but both were friends for
life
and stopped drinking using Alcoholics Anonymous. They are buried only feet
apart
from each other in that beautiful church in Cumberstone.
The following statement from the Albany Episcopal diocese explains the use
of
Reason. I think it ironic that the three legged stool is also used in AA.
Rethinking the Three-Legged Stool
by The Rev. Dr. Canon Christopher Brown
What makes Anglicanism unique? An earlier generation of Anglicans replied,
"Nothing at all. We are a 'bridge church' with a vocation to draw all
churches together. We hold nothing that is distinct and uniquely Anglican;
our
beliefs and practices are simply those that are common to the universal
Church."
Today, one is more likely to hear something like this: "Anglicans do not
ascribe an absolute authority to Scripture. At the same time, Anglicanism
rejects the absolute claims of an infallible papacy. Anglicanism is distinct
in its reliance on the 'Three-Legged Stool of Scripture, Reason, and
Tradition."
Attributed to the 16th century English writer, Richard Hooker, the
"Three-Legged Stool" has become the essential feature of a distinct
"Anglican Ethos." Its popularity appears to lie in the manner in which it
functions to exclude any form of religious "absolutism." Neither the Bible,
nor
the authority or the Church, nor the reasoning intellect can claim the last
word,
but together they offer a balanced way to discern the will of God.
Yours in Service,
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
Hardcore Group
BTW there will be a AA Conference "Love and Service"
12-5 Feb 20,2010 in Perry Hall Baptist Church
3919 Schroeder Ave
Perry Hall MD 21128 USA(outside Baltimore MD)
The 1st portion 9-10 AM is History and Archives
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++++Message 6330. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Banners with the steps,
traditions, and concepts
From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/10/2010 11:53:00 PM
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Arthur wrote
> It would be a bit incongruous that Bill W would be against banners or
> placards portraying the 36 spiritual principles he himself authored.
The first banners on roll up window shades were produced in the New York
area and they were titled "Twelve Suggested Steps." Also, cards and other
local literature was printed in this manner. This was probably in the
1945-46 period.
Bill was opposed to the title "Twelve Suggested Steps" and twice delegates
to the General Service Conference put forward conference actions to change
the title from Twelve Steps to Twelve Suggested Steps and their proposed
actions were rejected.
I had read a couple of letters in the early GV's on this subject and I
brought it up with Frank M.(archivist) on a trip to GSO and he explained it
to me.
I have not been able to find any letters by Bill on the matter.
Jim
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++++Message 6331. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Looking for websites with
archival preservation information
From: Mike Breedlove . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/11/2010 12:55:00 PM
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Peter and John,
Regarding archival preservation, institutions to explore include the Library
of
Congress (LOC), the Northeast Document Conservation Center (NEDCC), the
Foundation of the American Institute for Conservation (FAIC), and the
National
Archives (NARA). Following is a selected list.
One of the best preservation sites is Preservation 101 -
http://www.nedcc.org/education/online.php As the introduction states -
Preservation 101 is a comprehensive self-paced online course that focuses on
the
preservation of paper collections and related formats. Participants will
learn
about the basics of preservation in the context of small and
moderately-sized
library or archival collections â“ how to identify deteriorated
materials, how
to properly care for collections, and how to set priorities for
preservation. A
primary goal of this course is to enable you to gather the information
needed
for a general preservation planning survey of your institution, and to that
end,
several tools have been devised to assist you in using this course
effectively.
Once on the Preservation 101 home page, be sure to click on âBefore You
Beginâ for an introduction to the many facets of this program.
Related to it is the COOL site for professional conservators, but that
provides
much useful information for the lay person. It is located at -
http://cool.conservation-us.org/
The following Wikipedia site is a useful overview -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preservation_(library_and_archival_science)
The following syllabus contains several URL references and itself offers a
good
overview -
http://ischool.umd.edu/courses/2009/LBSC%20786%20Cybulski%20Fall%202008.pdf
Take care, Mike B,
Prattville, Alabama
Area One Archivist
----- Original Message -----
From: john wikelius
To: mike breedlove
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 05:07 PM
Subject: Fw: [AAHistoryLovers] Looking for websites with archival
preservation
information
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: mrpetesplace
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 11:31:30 AM
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Looking for websites with archival preservation
information
Does anyone have a favorite website or information
I can help make available for preservation of
archival material? I would like to provide this
information on my own site with links.
Does anyone have such information on their own
area's site to assist other members? Thank you.
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++++Message 6332. . . . . . . . . . . . LSD and alcoholism treatment
From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2010 12:20:00 PM
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Letter to the British Medical Journal, 11 June 1966: The recent notoriety
given
to LSD in the press has led to its withdrawal by Sandoz from the market. In
carefully selected cases we found the drug to be a helpful adjunct to
psychotherapy. LSD can be made by any competent chemist, and is apparently
being
prepared by a few individuals for private distribution. Sandoz, up to the
time
of the drug's withdrawal, restricted its distribution to psychiatric
institutions or carefully vetted individual psychiatrists. It will be
unfortunate if LSD becomes available only for "kicks" and not for serious
psychotherapeutic endeavour. (Signed by four doctors at West Park hospital,
Epsom, Surrey UK).
One of the psychiatric institutions mentioned could have been Powick
hospital,
Worcestershire, UK, which reported favorable results when treating
alcoholics
and others with LSD - see www.idmu.co.uk/lsd.htm
Laurie A.
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++++Message 6333. . . . . . . . . . . . Studies of AA in different cultures
From: nuevenueve@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/12/2010 1:10:00 PM
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Hello Group:
There's a study considering some sociological and cultural influences inside
and
around AA in several Countries/Cultures, it was published by The Wisconsin
University Press and is entitled "Alcoholics Anonymous As A Mutual-Help: A
Study
In Eight Societies".
Could you please reccomend some other papers alike?
Thank you.
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++++Message 6334. . . . . . . . . . . . Trysh Travis, new book, Language of
the Heart: Cultural History
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2010 6:07:00 PM
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"How recovery ideas migrated into the popular imagination"
An interview with Trysh Travis about her new book:
The Language of the Heart: A Cultural History of the Recovery Movement from
Alcoholics Anonymous to Oprah Winfrey (Chapel Hill, North Carolina:
University
of North Carolina Press, 2009).
http://www.rorotoko.com/index.php/article/trysh_travis_book_interview_langua
ge_h\
eart_cultural_history_recovery_moveme/ [6]
In a nutshell
My book is about that loosely defined cultural phenomenon known as "the
recovery
movement" -- an agglomeration of self-help groups and practices that have
grown
out of Alcoholics Anonymous since its founding in 1935. Although most people
know someone who is or has been "in recovery," most people are also a little
vague about what that means. That vagueness has allowed critics -- both
conservative and progressive -- to caricature the recovery movement as
narcissistic, banal, and apolitical. The Language of the Heart is intended
to
show that recovery is a diverse and evolving phenomenon whose complex
history
reflects the shifting ideas about gender and power that characterize
contemporary America.
I've used recovery's print culture to narrate the story of its evolution
from AA
-- which began as an alcohol-focused, evangelical Christian, and resolutely
masculine sub-culture -- to Oprah Winfrey, a self-proclaimed "food addict"
and
survivor of childhood sexual abuse who espouses a healing metaphysical
spirituality to millions of women around the globe. Most recovery
publications
come from the margins of polite print culture. Rather than the products of
professionally credentialed authors writing in the pages of esteemed
journals,
many of recovery's central ideas appeared first in obscure pamphlets,
self-published tracts, and the textbooks of the addiction treatment
industry.
None of these are usually considered "serious" literature. But both the
writing
and the reading of such materials is an extremely serious matter for many
recovering people.
The wide angle
Two phenomena led me to this project. A number of people close to me are
recovering addicts of one sort or another, and when I attended meetings with
them I noticed that books featured prominently in their meetings. Alcoholics
Anonymous, written by one of AA's co-founders and usually called "the Big
Book,"
was the most prominent. But people also carried with them daily devotional
readers published by AA, Al-Anon (the organization for friends and families
of
alcoholics), and treatment centers like Hazelden.
That's not something you often see in depictions of AA or NA (Narcotics
Anonymous) in film or on TV; there, a 12-Step meeting is only about people
talking. But in the meetings I attended people often referred to their books
as
they talked, highlighted and annotated passages that mattered to them, and
engaged in long debates over what a passage or a phrase might mean. As a
literature teacher, these are habits I try to inculcate in my students (not
usually with much success), and I wanted to find out how and why people in
recovery were so intense about their reading.
At the same time that I was thinking about reading within 12-Step groups, I
started to notice an increasing number of popular novels aimed at women that
seemed to offer some version of recovery's central ideas. Powerlessness,
forgiveness, the importance of self-love and of "keeping it simple"; these
were
all values that I was hearing espoused in meetings, and they were also
popping
up in mid-list fiction -- not only Oprah books, but "serious" titles like
Michael Cunningham's The Hours and bestsellers like Rebecca Wells's Divine
Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood. This made me curious about how recovery
ideas
had migrated out of the church basements where meetings were held and into
the
popular imagination.
There's a lot at stake in that migration, I think. When a person goes to AA,
declares, "I am powerless over alcohol," and reads daily from the Big Book
to
get instructions on how to live so as to remain sober, she has made a
conscious
decision to adopt a set of mental habits -- a worldview, if you want to call
it
that -- because she wants to change her life. Few people sit down with a
novel
thinking, "I want to get some lessons in how to change my life from this
book."
But the novels I was seeing had a powerful didactic streak. Through
traditional
sentimental plots involving mothers and children, they were urging readers
not
so much to quit using alcohol or drugs (though a few of them made that case
in
passing), but to quit demanding satisfaction from contemporary consumer
capitalist American society, to admit they were powerless over their own
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