wrote:
>>
>> This is a question about putting up banners in
>> AA meeting rooms, with the 12 Steps, 12 Traditions,
>> and 12 Concepts written on them.
>>
>> I'm from an AA group in Brisbane, Australia.
>>
>> We had our Group Conscience and put to the vote
>> was whether we obtain a Concept Banner for our
>> group.
>>
>> An old timer and very knowledgeable member
>> advised that banners can be confusing to newcomers
>> (e.g Step 6 and what is written on Step 6 in
>> 12x12 two different things Tradition 3 etc.).
>>
>> He also claimed that Bill W can be quoted as
>> saying that he was against the banners.
>>
>> I have never read or heard this before. I have
>> dozens of books and AA info on AA history and
>> Bill W, and have been unable to find any info
>> on this.
>>
>> So was wondering if you may have anything on
>> the history of the banners and Bill W's thoughts
>> on their use (if he ever said anything about
>> them) as I am very interested in finding out
>> if this was so.
>>
>> Really appreciate your time
>> Thanking you
>> Kind Regards Denise
>> Member Brisbane Traditions Group
>> Australia
>>
>
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++++Message 6310. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill''s spiritual experience --
belladonna induced?
From: Edward . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/1/2010 9:15:00 AM
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By an odd coincidence:
I got sober at a city mission in Virginia that has both a night shelter (the
only one in town that does not exclude the intoxicated) and a long-term
residential program for drunks and drug addicts, and I still volunteer
there.
Of late, some younger alcoholics who have dropped out of the program but
stay in
the shelter have been trying jimson weed for its hallucinogenic properties
and
often have to be transported by ambulance to the local detox for
safekeeping.
They turn up drunk again as soon as they're released, so at least we can
assume
that the experiences brought on by hyoscine, scopolamine and hyoscyamine do
not
remove the urge to drink.
It is indeed said to be a "poor man's trip", nowhere near as pleasant as the
illegal psychedelics, and I heard a rhyme about it which goes "Can't see,
can't
spit, can't pee, can't .." (I think most alkies can probably figure out the
last
word).
Y'all's in service
Ted G.
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com,
Glenn Chesnut wrote:
>
> I finally found what I was looking for -- some eyewitness accounts by
people
who had taken belladonna, describing what happened and what it felt like.
>
> Belladonna has the same psychoactive components as jimsonweed (Datura
stramonium) -- atropine, hyoscine (scopolamine), and hyoscyamine.
>
>
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++++Message 6311. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: U.S. postage stamp reading:
Alcoholism. You Can Beat It!
From: Stephen Gentile . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/4/2010 4:43:00 PM
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From Stephen Gentile, Mike B. (tuswecaoyate),
Mike Barns (mikeb384), and Dudley Dobinson
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From: Stephen Gentile
(sagentile at hotmail.com)
Here is a picture I found on the net.
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5520258/2/istockphoto_5520
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alcoholism-postage-stamp.jpg [4]
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From: "Mike B"
(tuswecaoyate at yahoo.com)
Here is a link with a photo of the stamp. Mike
http://www.mysticstamp.com/viewProducts.asp?sku=1927
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From: Mike Barns
(mikeb384 at verizon.net)
http://www.arpinphilately.com/blog/how-are-postage-stamps-designed/en/
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From: DudleyDobinson@aol.com
(DudleyDobinson at aol.com)
I do not have the photo but do have all the official papers relating to the
day
this stamp was issued in DC and have attached scans. The quote from the
Egyptian
hieroglyphics may be of interest to this group. I suspect the photo
mentioned to
be a private one taken at the ceremony. I also have a copy of the
invitation.
Email me, and I will send you (as an email attachment) scans of the official
papers and a copy of the invitation.
Dudley - Birr Ireland
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++++Message 6312. . . . . . . . . . . . Ed The salesman /Tradition three
From: mykeblanch . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/4/2010 5:36:00 PM
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I have a few questions that I was hoping that
someone could answer.
In the chapter on tradition 3 in the 12 & 12
[see pp. 143-145], it mentions Ed the salesman.
Doing a search I find that Ed was possibly Jim
Burwell. Is that correct?
After asking for money and help, did the group
really leave him to fend for himself?
Last question is which AA member's house did he
sneak into by night? [p. 144]
Any history on this story would be appreciated.
Mike
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From G.C. the moderator:
I am sure that we have people in the AAHL who
will be able to supply a good deal of additional
information. But be sure and see Nancy Olson's
material at:
http://www.a-1associates.com/westbalto/HISTORY_PAGE/Authors.htm#TheViciousCy
cle
on Jim Burwell MD and the Big Book story "The Vicious Cycle"
(2nd edition #238, 3rd edition #238, 4th edition #219).
Also see Message 3080
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3080
from Shakey Mike.
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++++Message 6313. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: U.S. postage stamp reading:
Alcoholism. You Can Beat It!
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/5/2010 6:35:00 PM
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At 15:43 2/4/2010, Stephen Gentile wrote:
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>
>From: Stephen Gentile
>(sagentile at hotmail.com)
>
>Here is a picture I found on the net.
>
>http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5520258/2/istockphoto_552
0258\
-alcoholism-postage-stamp.jpg [4]
>
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Several years ago this stamp and an associated first day cover, at
least I think that is what they are called, envelope with a photo of
Bill W and his handwritten version of the original six steps was
available on eBay and I purchased it for a very modest fee..
I suspect other examples are out there, I've seen them. A stamp
collector would likely know more about this issue.
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 6314. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Banners with the steps,
traditions, and concepts
From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/5/2010 11:12:00 PM
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I don't know if they qualify as the banners you
are asking about, but most groups I have gone to
or visited in the US since the late 70's have
had the steps and traditions prominently displayed
... either on the old window shades or the newer
2 foot x 3 foot folding placards that were purchased
thru the local intergroup or GSO in NY.
Somehow I don't think so many groups would have
them up, or that the intergroups and GSO would
be selling such things if Bill W had come out
against them.
>>
>> --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com,
>> "denise200305"
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