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1073.therefore I must set about undoing the damage to the best of my 1074.ability. It would be advisable to make a list of all the 1075.persons I had hurt or with whom I had bad relations. People I 1076.disliked and those who had injured me should have preferred 1077.attention, provided I had done them injury or still entertained 1078.any feeling of resentment towards them . Under no sircumstances 1079.was I to consider their defects or wrong doing , then I was to 1080.approach these people telling them I had commenced a way of life 1081.which required that I be on friendly and helpful terms with every 1082.body; that I recognized I had been at fault in this particular 1083.that I was sorry for what I had done or said and had come to set 1084.matters right insofar as I possibly could. Under no circumstances 1085.was I to engage in argument or controversy. My own wrong doing 1086.was to be admitted and set right and that was all. Assurance was 1087.to be given that I was prepared to go to any length to do the 1088.right thing. Again I was warned that obviously I could not 1089.make amends at the expense of other people, that judgment and 1090.discretion should be used lest others should be hurt. This sort 1091.of situation could be postponed until such conditions became such 1092.that the job could be done without harm to anyone. One could 1093.be contented in the meanwhile by discussing such a matter frankly 1094.with a third party who would not be involved and of course on a 1095.strictly confidential basis. Great was to be taken that one 1096.did not avoid situations difficult or dangerous to oneself on as possible 1097.such a pretext . The willingness to go the limit a s fast had 1098.to be at all times present. This principle of making amends 1099.was to be continued in the future for only by keeping myself free 1100.of bad relationships with others could I expect to receive the 1101.Power and direction so indespensable to my new and larger useful- 1102.ness . This sort of discipline would helped me to see others as 1103.they really are; to recognize that every one is plagued by various 1104.of self will; that every one is in a sense actually sick with 1105.some form of self; that when men behave badly they are only dis- 1106.playing symptoms of spiritual ill health . 1107. one is not usually angry or critical of another when he 1108. suffers from some grave bodily illness and I would how
1109. presently see senseless and futile it is to be disturbed 1110. by those burdened by their own wrong thinking . I was to 1111. entertain towards everyone a quite new feeling of tolerance 1112. patience and helpfulness I would recognize more and more 1113. that when I became critical or resentful I must at all 1114. costs realize that such things were very wrong in me 1115. and that in some form otro or other I still had the very 1116. defects of which I complained in others. Much emphasis 1117. was placed on the development of this of mind toward others. 1118. No stone should be left unturned to acheive this end. 1119. The constant practice of this principle frequently ask- 1120. ing God for His help in making it work under trying 112l. circumstances was absolutely imperative . The drunkard 1122. especially had to be most rigorous on this point for one 1125. burst of anger or self pity might so shut him out from his 1124. new found strength that he would drink again and with us 1125. that always means calamity and sometimes death. 1126. This was indeed a program, the thought of some of the to 1127. things I would have admit about myself to other people 1128. was most distasteful - even appalling. It was only to o 1129. plain that I had been ruined by my own colosal egotism 1130. and selfishness, not only in respect to drinking but with 1131. regard to everything else. Drinking had been a symptom 1132. of these things. Alcohol had submerged my inferiorities 1135. and puffed up my self esteem, body had finally rebelled 1134. and I had some fatally affected , my thinking and action 1135. was woefully distorted thru infection from the mire of 1136. self pity, resentment, fear and remorse in which I now 1137. wallowed . The motive behind a certain amount of generosity, 1138. kindness and the meticulous honesty in some directions 1139. upon which I had prided myself was not perhaps not so 1140. good after all. The motive had been to get personal 1141. satisfaction for myself, perhaps not entirely but on the 1142. whole this was true. I had sought the glow which comes applause
1143. with thexflaws and Praise rendered me by others. 1144. I began to see how actions good in themselves might avail 1145. little because of wrong motive , I had been like the man 1146. who feels that all is well after he has condesendingly 1147. taken turkeys to the poor at Xmas time . How clear it 1148. suddenly became that all of my thought and action, both 1149. good and bad, had arisen out of a desire to make myself 1150. happy and satisfied. I had been self centered instead of 1151. God centered. It was now easy to understand why the taking this
1152. of a simple childlike attitude toward God plus a drastic 1153. program of action which would place himx would bring 1154. results. How evident et became that mere faith in God 1155. was not enough. Faith had to be demonstrated by works 1156. and there could be no works or any worth while demonstrations 1157. until I had fitted myself for the undertaking and had be- 1158. come a suitable table agent thru which God might express Himself. 1159. There had to be a tremendous personal housecleaning, a 1160. sweeping away of the debris of past willfullness , a restoring 1161. of broken relationships and a firm resolve to make God's 1162. will my will . I must stop forcing things , I must stop 1163. trying to mold people and situations to my own liking. 1164. Nearly every one is taught that human willpower and ambition 1165. if good ends are sought are desirable attributes. I too 1166. had clung to that conception but I saw that it was not good 1167. enough, nor big enough , nor powerful enough . My own will had 1168. failed in many areas of my live. With respect to 1169. alcohol it had become absolutely inoperative . My ambitions, 1170. which had seemed worthy at some time, had been frustrated. 1171. Even had I been successful , the pursuit of my desires 1172. would have perhaps harmed others add their realization 1173. would have added little or nothing to anyone's peace, 1174. happiness or usefulness. I began to see that the clashing 1175. ambitions and designs of even those who sought what to them 1176. seemed worthy ends , have filled the world with discord and 1177. misery . Perhaps people of this sort created more havouqx 1178. havoc than those confessedly immoral and krucked croocked 1179. I saw even the most useful people die unhappy and defeated. 1180. All because some one else had behaved badly or they had
appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... From: lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/1/2010 11:57:00 PM
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against such a motion. We have more Traditions than the formal Twelve. AA's other Traditions are dictated by what's done over time and in concert with what other similar AA entities do. The long-established method of seating treasurers and secretaries is by election. I have never heard of it being done any other way. If the District officers are chosen by one person on the basis of friendship, personal preference or subjective evaluation, we have completely bypassed the "loving God" as expressed in the group conscience. It sounds like a power grab and demagogic to me. I do think that the DCM should have the authority to appoint Standing Committee Chairpersons as he/she may have a good
sense on these appointments and later would have the choice, if the Chairs failed in their duties, to replace them. A call to GSO might provide a little guidance here. lee --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Jim Robbins wrote:
> > You might look at the AA Service Manual, Concept I. > >
> > > > Hi everyone! > > > > I have a question but first here is the scenario. I am truly not > > looking for a debate, just if anyone has any experience with this and > > could point me in the correct direction...... > > > > Our District is wanting to change our service structure to where the > > current chairman "appoints" the treasurer and secretary of the > > district. In the past these positions have been filled through > > elections. The rationale is that the chairman/person would be able to > > appoint people to these positions that he/she feels comfortable with > > and personally knows that they can perform the dutites. Tradition 2 > > states, in part, that "....our leaders are but trusted servants they > > do not govern..." One (of the many) definitions of govern it to > > "appoint." What if there are two people equally qualified in every way > > but the chairperson chose his/her buddy because they are comfortable? > >
> > Now the question. After reading the scenario, does anyone know where I > > could find out more about this and educate myself? Is there anything > > in literature anywhere that has dealt with this in the past? I would > > greatly appreciate hearing from you and pointing me in the right > > research direction. > >
> > Thank you for everything that is done in this group! It is such a > > treasure trove of information!! > > > > Yours in the fellowship > > Donna W. > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
From: FAMBD . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/2/2010 2:21:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII http://www.womenandspirit.org/index.html The Women & Spirit Exhibition is touring the US and will be in Cleveland Ohio
from 09-MAY. Part of the exhibition is devoted to Ignatia and her work. The material has been provided by the Sisters of Charity of St Augustine. The link above is to the website which gives dates etc of where the exhibition will be.
From: Tim DeRan . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/2/2010 5:05:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII "I am curious as to where, when and how the use of the "minority voice report" was installed as a function of AA business meetings.... While I am pretty well versed in Roberts Rules of Order, I cannot recall any such function, other than a motion to reconsider which requires a 2/3 vote. I cannot find mention of the minority voice report otherwise and was hoping someone knew where and when this became a part of AA business meeting protocol."
From: Remi K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/2/2010 5:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Concept V, found in the "secret" AA Service Manual, allows for the "Right of Appeal", assuring that minority opinion will be heard. It's testimonial of our co-founder Bill W.'s incredible foresight for drafting the 12 Concepts... relinquishing the power and authority to the fellowship.
> > I am curious as to where, when and how the use of the "minority voice > report" was installed as a function of AA business meetings. > > The question arose from a vote that was recently taken in our District > Meeting regarding an AA function over the Founders Day weekend that > includes > a history skit, and then a spaghetti dinner. Apparently a few members > felt
> it was not OK for the District to ask for donations to cover the cost of > the
> meal, and when the project was approved by a vote of 5-2, those who did > not
> support the project have demanded a "minority voice report" at the > following > months meeting. > > While I am pretty well versed in Roberts Rules of Order, I cannot recall > any > such function, other than a motion to reconsider which requires a 2/3 > vote. > I cannot find mention of the minority voice report otherwise and was > hoping > someone knew where and when this became a part of AA business meeting > protocol. > > thanks, > > Mark in the North Georgia Mountains > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
++++Message 6505. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Question regarding Area appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... From: Tim DeRan . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/2/2010 5:02:00 PM
past?
I would greatly appreciate hearing from you and pointing me in the right research direction." You're best source of any information on this is the Service Manual. After that
you might look in AA Comes Of Age. But, there is little that I know of that speaks to this question. However, I would point out something that I know of from personal experience both in the organization and structure of AA and outside of it. One of the reasons positions such as you speak of is to have a diversity of opinions, experience and training. Having someone appoint people they are comfortable with is dangerous in that while it might not happen, it could lead to a committee of yes men who follow along behind the appointing authority. And, being selected to sit in a position by someone has the possiblity of making the
appointed in debt to the appointer. In the end that tradition about ultimate authority in the group conscience is the ultimate authority and if an area, district or whatever decided to follow down a path they also have to live with the consequences of that choice. Much thought and deliberation needs to go into making decisions such as these. tmd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6506. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W acknowlesdges Sam Shoemaker as the 3rd co-founder of AA in 1963 From: tuchypalmieri . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/3/2010 4:27:00 AM
By B. W.
On Thursday October 31st 1963 Dr. Sam Shoemaker, The great Episcopal clergyman and first friend of A. A. Passed from our sight and hearing. He was one of those few without whose ministration A. A. could never have been born in the first place nor prospered since From his teaching Dr Bob and I absorbed most of the principles that were later embodied in the Twelve Steps of A. A. Our ideas of self –examination, acknowledgement of character defect s, restitution for harms done, and working with others came straight from Sam. Therefore he gave to us the concrete knowledge of what we could do about our illness; he passed to us spiritual keys by which so many of us have since been liberated We who in A. A. early time were privileged to fall under the spell of his inspiration can never be the same again. We shall bless Sam's memory forever Reprinted by permission from the book "And thy neighbor" by Sam Shoemaker
From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/2/2010 3:50:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Perhaps it derives from Concept Five: "Throughout our structure, a traditional 'Right of Appeal' ought to prevail, so that minority opinion will be heard and
personal grievances receive careful consideration." Bill elaborates on this in his essay on the concept. To: aahistorylovers@yahoogroups.com From: doclandis@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:14:06 -0400 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] minority voice report I am curious as to where, when and how the use of the "minority voice report" was installed as a function of AA business meetings. The question arose from a vote that was recently taken in our District Meeting regarding an AA function over the Founders Day weekend that includes a history skit, and then a spaghetti dinner. Apparently a few members felt it was not OK for the District to ask for donations to cover the cost of the meal, and when the project was approved by a vote of 5-2, those who did not support the project have demanded a "minority voice report" at the following months meeting. While I am pretty well versed in Roberts Rules of Order, I cannot recall any
such function, other than a motion to reconsider which requires a 2/3 vote.
I cannot find mention of the minority voice report otherwise and was hoping
someone knew where and when this became a part of AA business meeting protocol. thanks, Mark in the North Georgia Mountains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6508. . . . . . . . . . . . AA Historical books Reprinted and now available a low prices From: tuchypalmieri . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/3/2010 4:21:00 AM
Classic republished Gems "When Man Listens" Cecil Rose Was very Rare A book of how to Listen to God. In His preface Cecil Rose writes ?The chapters of this book are an attempt to set down briefly the simple elements of Christian living. I believe that there is nothing in them which cannot be found in the New Testament?. What Cecil Rose wrote was a model for living that went beyond the Christian faith. It became one of the sources of the 12 Step recovery program. Which has brought many people to God. It embodies universal principles that serves all of mankind. It is an excellent guide for ; People of the Christian faith People who are struggling with their 12 step program. People seeking to deepen their Spiritual/ religious connection People who are seeking to live a life of honor and integrity in a world in filled with the opposite It is my honor and pleasure to have Cecil Roses work reborn through this reprinting so that the masses can have access to his words and the principles he speaks of. "Twice Born men" Harold Begbie. A Famous English Author of the early 1900's writes stories of downtrodden people who were saved by the works of the Salvation Army. A movement that started in England and has spread to 116 countries today "The Genius of Fellowship/ conversion of the Church" Sam Shoemaker The Man who started it all. Sam Shoemaker a pioneer in both the Oxford group movement and AA. presents in his book "The conversion Of The Church" How the Church needs to operate like a fellowship and that in reality the Fellowship is the Church. Sam mentions in his Forward that the original church was often called the fellowship. AA is often referred to as the Fellowship. Sam devotes an entire Chapter to the genius of fellowship. There he emphasizes the Importance of fellowship in The Church. "When the Church is alive the desire for fellowship is alive. Sam gives his definition of real fellowship. "the core and genius of real fellowship as I see it, is the power to live and work with people upon the basis of absolute love and honesty" "Children of the second Birth" Sam Shoemaker The movement that helped Bill W to recover An early Sam Shoemaker book originally published in the 1920s, Children of the
Second Birth is filled with stories of men and women who had their lives changed
by turning to God; stories of people who, under the guidance of Sam, utilized
the Oxford Group principles and found miracles. These men and women came from
the depths of desperation and despair to places of happiness and joy. The touching journeys that they went through gave others the hope that they too could have a new life filled with peace and serenity. People today can achieve
the same results as the people mentioned in this book. All that is required is to follow what they did. May these true-life accounts help you or your loved ones find the Happiness of God. "Life Changers 13th edition" Harold Begbie Frank Buchman The man who started the oxford movement Life Changers is comprised of century-old stories of men who had their lives changed so profoundly and so dramatically that the original book was reprinted 12 times. Now 100 years later, with its 13th printing, this precious classic is set to change the lives of many more men and women. The words in this book are as true today as they were then. Life Changers is also about a man, Frank Buchman, who was first and foremost a teacher. Buchman could change the lives of
students and scholars in the course of a single conversation; changing those lives so profoundly and persuasively that the world was in disbelief. Buchman started a movement that reached the shores of America and lives today in the form of many 12-step programs. While the original movement was founded on Christianity, its principles and ideas moved beyond religion and Christianity into a more generic spiritual movement. The Common Sense of Drinking Written by Richard Peabody in the early 1930s, "The Common Sense of Drinking" describes alcoholism and the behavior of many alcoholics. Divided into four sections, the book carefully details the condition of alcoholism, along with the
diagnosis of the disease, first steps towards successful treatment, and "the cure made effective." Republished in 2009 by Tuchy Palmieri as "To Drink or Not To Drink: The Common Sense of Drinking," this book, although somewhat dated in parts, still serves as a wonderful resource for anyone interested in studying the early research on the condition of alcoholism. Twice Born Ministers
were
reborn and re-energized to do the real work of ministry by helping people to become faithful followers in every sense of the word, specifically being reborn themselves to Christ and to his calling for them to do his work. Inspired Children Olive M. Jones written by the former President of The National Education Association. It is a book about how the Oxford Group principles work in lives of
children. True stories about real children and how their lives have been transformed by employing the principles and making God real to children. Sam Shoemaker in his introduction makes the point that he knew most of the children
and that they were the happiest children he has ever known IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6509. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: Question regarding Area appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... From: Dolores . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/4/2010 8:14:00 AM
Conference. That the Groups are the most important members and they vote to send a GSR to the Area meeing. Here on the Continent, Intergroup is the next group. There we express our voice in AA, by voting for the Chair, Sec. and Treasurer. And this goes on to our Region and I believe in the States, Districts, where again the members vote for the Chair, Sec and Treas. The way you said it was suggested seems like a business and AA is not a Business, we are a Fellowship. Our inverted Triangle helps us to remember that in service we are trusted servants. All about this can be read in the "Language of the Heart", a highly recommended book. In this structure that Bill W. gave us , we have a voice. Please let me know how things turned our in your group. Yours in AA, Dolores ----- Original Message ----- From: lee To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Question regarding Area appointing trusted servants rather than electing....
vote
against such a motion. We have more Traditions than the formal Twelve. AA's other Traditions are dictated by what's done over time and in concert with what other similar AA entities do. The long-established method of seating treasurers and secretaries is by election. I have never heard of it being done any other way. If the District officers are chosen by one person on the basis of friendship, personal preference or subjective evaluation, we have completely bypassed the "loving God" as expressed in the group conscience. It sounds like a power grab and demagogic to me. I do think that the DCM should have the authority to appoint Standing Committee Chairpersons as he/she may have a good
sense on these appointments and later would have the choice, if the Chairs failed in their duties, to replace them. A call to GSO might provide a little guidance here. lee --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Jim Robbins wrote:
> > You might look at the AA Service Manual, Concept I. > >
> > > > Hi everyone! > > > > I have a question but first here is the scenario. I am truly not > > looking for a debate, just if anyone has any experience with this and > > could point me in the correct direction...... > > > > Our District is wanting to change our service structure to where the > > current chairman "appoints" the treasurer and secretary of the > > district. In the past these positions have been filled through > > elections. The rationale is that the chairman/person would be able to > > appoint people to these positions that he/she feels comfortable with > > and personally knows that they can perform the dutites. Tradition 2 > > states, in part, that "....our leaders are but trusted servants they > > do not govern..." One (of the many) definitions of govern it to > > "appoint." What if there are two people equally qualified in every way > > but the chairperson chose his/her buddy because they are comfortable? > >
> > Now the question. After reading the scenario, does anyone know where I > > could find out more about this and educate myself? Is there anything > > in literature anywhere that has dealt with this in the past? I would > > greatly appreciate hearing from you and pointing me in the right > > research direction. > >
> > Thank you for everything that is done in this group! It is such a > > treasure trove of information!! > > > > Yours in the fellowship > > Donna W. > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/3/2010 9:37:00 PM
"appointed" service position is many times "Ad Hoc." Ad Hoc can mean two things: 1) specific length of time or to accomplish a specific goal, or 2) service in a specific task or position. The AAWS Board and its service committees, for as long as I can remember, have had Appointed Committee Members who serve Ad Hoc assisting the work of the committee. I remember when the Fourth Edition stories were being reviewed, Trustees Literature Committee had AAs as Appointed Committee Members to help with its work. An old friend and past Delegate, who has since passed away, applied for such a position when the Board request was made, and his first 'assignment' was assisting in editing down the second AA history book that languished through a few General Service Conference in the early 1990s and never received approval to publish. The result of the editing was "Collected Observations of AA" that was (and possibly still is, in geographic-related sections from the AA Archives at GSO) available to archivists working within the service structure. His next task was reviewing submitted Fourth Edition personal stories for further consideration by Trustees Literature. Then, when it came close to the time for final Conference approval of the Fourth Edition, his work was done.
and Area Newsletter Editor come to mind. These are non-rotating service positions that are loosely reaffirmed every two years, at the beginning of the year following an Area election year. Our current Newsletter Editor has been serving for over 10 years.
ratifies the selections by acclamation. Hope this helps with your question; Ad Hoc is one effective way to look at appointments. Example 1, I served my Area twice as Historian, once to complete its history and a second time to update it, both times before the Assembly's approval to publish it. Example 2, I was later appointed Area Archivist and served for 5 years before my election to the Area Secretary Committee---to establish an archives repository and manage the archival items.
In the end that tradition about ultimate authority in the group conscience is the ultimate authority and if an area, district or whatever decided to follow down a path they also have to live with the consequences of that choice. Much thought and deliberation needs to go into making decisions such as these. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
appointing trusted servants... From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/5/2010 4:27:00 AM
govern.
dolli@dr-rinecker.de writes:
servants. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6512. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Question regarding Area appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... From: gvanrobinson . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/5/2010 11:37:00 AM
while back it was the decision of the Area Fellowship that the Secretary should be an elected position. It was decided that this change would better serve the Area by allowing the Ultimate Authority to decide who would be allowed to serve.
which
leads me to my suggestion of literature one might consider in instances like this.
matters affecting other groups or AA as a whole. - Any response from GSO will most likely refer you to this Tradition. Each Group, Intergroup, District, or Area
is free do conduct their business however they wish provided that, in doing so,
they don't interfere with any other AA body's ability to do the same. Translation: Your District can absolutely allow your chair to appoint other positions if they want to. If, at some point, they decide it doesn't work, they
can change it back. The guiding principles for this can be found in the 12 Concepts, a.k.a. "the best kept secret in AA." In particular Concept 2 which speaks to the delegation of authority, and Concept 10 which speaks to service authority. More importantly however, I would refer you to Concept 9 which speaks to the importance of good service leaders and "sound and appropriate methods of choosing them ..."
answer
as to how your district should conduct your business, but, I am convinced that,
by reviewing the guiding principles that our founders labored to leave us as their legacy, one can find Good Orderly Direction. Good luck. GVR --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "luv2shop" > > Hi everyone! > > I have a question but first here is the scenario. I am truly not looking for a debate, just if anyone has any experience with this and could point me in the correct direction...... > >
current chairman "appoints" the treasurer and secretary of the district. In the past these positions have been filled through elections. The rationale is that the
chairman/person would be able to appoint people to these positions that he/she
feels comfortable with and personally knows that they can perform the dutites.
Tradition 2 states, in part, that "....our leaders are but trusted servants they
do not govern..." One (of the many) definitions of govern it to "appoint." What if there are two people equally qualified in every way but the chairperson chose his/her buddy because they are comfortable? > > Now the question. After reading the scenario, does anyone know where I could find out more about this and educate myself? Is there anything in literature anywhere that has dealt with this in the past? I would greatly appreciate hearing from you and pointing me in the right research direction. > > Thank you for everything that is done in this group! It is such a treasure trove of information!! > > Yours in the fellowship > Donna W. >
++++Message 6513. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Question regarding Area appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/5/2010 5:57:00 AM
submitted the same kind of resume (cv) required for application to be considered as a Director or Trustee, through the Delegate from her Area, was interviewed by the Secretary and the current Trustee Chairman of the Committee, then her name was submitted to the Conference (with the names of nominated Trustees and Directors) and approved. In the appointment of the Area Archivist, I believe the local Area (59) -- like Rick's Area --requires at least Area Committee (if not Assembly) approval, so that, if if the Archivist is appointed, it's the Area Committee that does the appointing. The Appointed Committee Members of Trustees' Committees serve regular four-year terms, or at least that was what my
wife served -- not ad-hoc for a specific task. Also, Area 59 has ad-hoc Committees, but those AAs serving as Chairs, and the members of the Committees, are appointed for a term certain of two years. In the most recent panel, the Committees (Literature, Corrections, Treatment, CPC, PI, etc.) elected their own
chairmen/ chairwomen, from among their members. > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > From: ricktompkins@comcast.net > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:37:26 -0500 > Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Question regarding Area appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... > > In my experience and from what I've seen around the Fellowship, an > "appointed" service position is many times "Ad Hoc." > > Ad Hoc can mean two things: 1) specific length of time or to accomplish a > specific goal, or 2) service in a specific task or position. > > > > The AAWS Board and its service committees, for as long as I can remember, > have had Appointed Committee Members who serve Ad Hoc assisting the work of > the committee. I remember when the Fourth Edition stories were being > reviewed, Trustees Literature Committee had AAs as Appointed Committee > Members to help with its work. An old friend and past Delegate, who has > since passed away, applied for such a position when the Board request was > made, and his first 'assignment' was assisting in editing down the second AA > history book that languished through a few General Service Conference in the > early 1990s and never received approval to publish. The result of the > editing was "Collected Observations of AA" that was (and possibly still is,
> in geographic-related sections from the AA Archives at GSO) available to > archivists working within the service structure. His next task was reviewing > submitted Fourth Edition personal stories for further consideration by > Trustees Literature. Then, when it came close to the time for final > Conference approval of the Fourth Edition, his work was done. > >
> As to my Delegate Area and its Appointments, we have a few: Area Archivist > and Area Newsletter Editor come to mind. These are non-rotating service > positions that are loosely reaffirmed every two years, at the beginning of > the year following an Area election year. Our current Newsletter Editor has > been serving for over 10 years. > > The Area Chairperson appoints these trusted servants and the Assembly > ratifies the selections by acclamation. > > > > Hope this helps with your question; Ad Hoc is one effective way to look at > appointments. Example 1, I served my Area twice as Historian, once to > complete its history and a second time to update it, both times before the > Assembly's approval to publish it. Example 2, I was later appointed Area > Archivist and served for 5 years before my election to the Area Secretary > Committee---to establish an archives repository and manage the archival > items.
> > > > Rick, Illinois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end that tradition about ultimate authority in the group conscience > is the ultimate authority and if an area, district or whatever decided to > follow down a path they also have to live with the consequences of that > choice. Much thought and deliberation needs to go into making decisions such > as these. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
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From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/9/2010 4:33:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Judge sentences a man to "obtain an Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor." Has any one heard of this before?
imposition of sentence stayed on five years probation and 58 days in jail, fined $50 plus surcharges, ordered to complete a chemical dependency evaluation and domestic abuse program and follow recommendations, abstain from alcohol and non-prescribed mood-altering substances, undergo random urinalysis, provide a DNA sample, have no same or similar violations during probation, remain law abiding, have no contact with the victim, sign releases, attend weekly Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, obtain an Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor and participate in domestic violence court and comply with requirements. Judge: Grunke.
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complex?
From: martinholmes76@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/10/2010 4:17:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In the Big Book, in the Doctor's Opinion (p. xxxi) it says "this man's alcoholic problem was so complex". Why was his problem so complex?
have
made this comment about Fitz Mayo, it would be well to run through some background. Dr. Silkworth's entire statement on the matter is found in the Big Book 4th ed.,
on pp. xxxi-xxxii: < The patient had made his own diagnosis and deciding his situation hopeless, had hidden in a deserted barn deter- mined to die. He was rescued by a searching party, and, in desperate condition, brought to me. Following his physical rehabilitation, he had a talk with me in which he frankly stated he thought the treatment a waste of effort, unless I could assure him, which no one ever had, that in the future he would have the "will power" to resist the impulse to drink.
sion so great, that we felt his only hope would be through what we then called "moral psychology", and we doubted if even that would have any effect. However, he did become "sold" on the ideas contained in this book. He has not had a drink for a great many years [Fitz got sober in October 1935]. I see him now and then and he is as fine a specimen of manhood as one could wish to meet.>>
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BB is "Our Southern Friend." - - - - From silkworth.net: "Our Southern Friend" John H. F. (Fitz) M., Cumberstone, Maryland (p. 226 in 1st edition, p. 460 in 2nd edition, p. 497 in 3rd edition, and p. 208
in 4th edition. In the first three editions it appeared under the section "They
Nearly Lost All.") They Lost Nearly All "Pioneer A.A., minister's son, and southern farmer, he asked, 'Who am I to say
there is no God?'" Fitz' date of sobriety was October 1935. He was Bill's second or third success
at 12th stepping after he returned from Akron in 1935. The first was Hank P. ("The Unbeliever" in the 1st edition), and the second probably William R., "A Business Man's Recovery" in the 1st edition.) Fitz has been described as a blue blood from Maryland. Alcoholism may have run
in his mother's side of the family. Fitz was, reportedly, quite handsome, with
chiseled features. He had the quiet, easy charm of the landed gentry. Indeed, he was quite the Southern gentleman. Lois W. said Fitz was an impractical, lovable
dreamer. His intellectual, scholarly qualities gave him common ground with Bill
who - like Fitz - was also a dreamer. He was the son of an Episcopalian minister. Alcoholism may have run in his mother's side of the family. They never drank at home, but when Fitz took his first drink when at college, he discovered that it removed his fear and sense of inferiority. He attempted to enlist during World War I, but could not pass the physical. This
added to his sense of inferiority. He had a good job with a large corporation until the Great Depression. Later he worked at various jobs: traveling salesman, teacher and farmer. But he couldn't stop drinking. He was drunk when his mother-in-law died, when his own mother died, when his child was born.
Finally he agreed. Another patient told him about a group of men who were worse than he was but who
didn't drink any more. This patient had tried the program but had slipped. He knew it was because he hadn't been honest. He asked Fitz if he believed in God. Fitz did not. Later, in his bed, the thought came: "Can all the worth while people I have known be wrong about God?" He took a look at his own history and
suddenly a thought like a Voice came: "Who are you to say there is no God?" Bill & Lois W. and Fitz M. and his wife became devoted friends, and visited one
another often. Fitz frequently came up for the Tuesday night meeting at the Wilson home in Brooklyn. It was while Bill and Lois were visiting Fitz in Maryland in the summer of 1936 that Bill C., committed suicide. (See page 16 of the Big Book.) And Fitz, as well as Hank P. often joined Bill and Lois at Oxford Group house parties before A.A. broke away from the Oxford Group. During the writing of the Big Book, Fitz insisted that the book should express
Christian doctrines and use Biblical terms and expressions. Hank and Jim B. opposed him. The compromise was "God as we understood Him." When the group was trying to decide on a name for the book, Fitz, because of his
close proximity to Washington, was asked to go to the Library of Congress and
find out how many books were called "The Way Out." His sister, Agnes, came to the their assistance when the printer refused to release the book he was holding - the first printing of Alcoholics Anonymous. Agnes loaned A.A. $1,000, the equivalent of nearly $12,000 today.
the
1st edition) joined him in Washington. It was Fitz who was called on to identify
her body when she died. He sent one of his early sponsees (who never recovered) to see his old friend Jim B. in Washington ("The Vicious Cycle") when Jim was
just coming off a binge. In World War II, Fitz at last was able to join the Army, where he was found to be suffering from cancer. He died October 4, 1943, eight years after he stopped drinking. Fitz is buried on the grounds of Christ Episcopal Church at Owensville, MD, where his father had once been pastor. He is buried just a few
feet from Jim B. - - - - ANY IDEAS AS TO WHY DR. SILKWORTH WOULD HAVE REGARDED FITZ' PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS AS "SO COMPLEX"? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6516. . . . . . . . . . . . The AA version of moral psychology From: martinholmes76@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/10/2010 4:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII What was their version of moral psychology mentioned in the Big Book in the Doctor's opinion? - - - - From Glenn C., the moderator (BB 4th ed. p. xxvii) Dr. Silkworth had been unable to devise a method of "moral psychology" which would help alcoholics, until Bill Wilson came to him as a patient, and devised a program of recovery which Dr. Silkworth allowed him to try out on other patients, a program involving a kind of "moral psychology" which repeatedly brought long term sobriety to apparently hopeless cases:
of moral psychology was of urgent importance to alcoholics, but its application presented difficulties beyond our concep-
tion. What with our ultra-modern standards, our scientific approach to everything, we are perhaps not well equipped
to apply the powers of good that lie outside our synthetic knowledge.
book [Bill W.] came under our care in this hospital and while here he acquired some ideas which he put into practical
application at once.>> developed in Bill Wilson's program of recovery was even able to get Fitz Mayo sober in October 1935, even
though Dr. Silkworth and the other staff did not believe it could work on someone with all of Fitz's complex problems:
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