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Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:53:57 -0500 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Judge sentences man to get AA sponsor As I recall, it was the latter part of 1934 when a judge in effect sentenced one Ebby T. to attend Oxford group meetings.
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++++Message 6545. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AAHistoryLovers get-together in San Antonio From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 5:25:00 PM
From: "Arthur S" Date: Wed May 19, 2010 at 11:19 am
the A.A. International Convention, July 1-4, 2010. Would it be possible to somehow take a poll and pick a date, time and location to gather together and see what we look like up close and personal?
From: Glenn Chesnut Date: Date: Sun May 23, 2010 at 10:24 pm
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in the A.A. ONLINE HOSPITALITY SUITE which the Advance Program says will be located in the Grand Hyatt Hotel (the main convention hotel) in Crockett Suite A/B."
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/2010IC_AdvanceProgram.pdf The AA Online hospitality room will be open on Thursday through Saturday and would be the ideal place for members of the AAHistoryLovers to meet, according to the New York GSO. And it makes good sense to me too -- that's where all the AA online groups are going to be hanging out for at least part of the time. I believe that it would be grossly unfair (this year) to schedule any AAHL get-together on Thursday, since we have given no advance notice, and everyone will already have their travel plans set up. No official convention events start until the party and dance at 7 p.m. on Thursday evening, which means that a lot of people will not be arriving until Thursday afternoon or evening. Charles Grotts (see next message) also points out a possible conflict at 3:30
p.m. on Friday. But we need to remember that there are so many excellent things
on the program, that it may not be possible to avoid all conflicts. MY SUGGESTIONS: Since no one has sent in any alternate suggestions for a meeting time on Friday
or Saturday, my suggestion therefore is that we schedule two get-togethers in the AA Online Hospitality Suite in the Grand Hyatt Hotel. That way, if someone has to miss one of them because of a conflict, the other get-together will still provide opportunity to meet folks. If we wanted to, we could even designate one of these as the "primary get-together." 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. Friday afternoon AND 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. Saturday afternoon Perhaps at the next International we could start earlier -- at least ten months
in advance at a minimum -- and schedule an AAHistoryLovers get-together to be held a day or two before the convention officially began. ______________________________ OTHER PEOPLE RESPONDED TO ARTHUR'S AND GLENN'S MESSAGES AS FOLLOWS: From: Charles Grotts Also there's a workshop on Friday, July 2 at 3:30 p.m.: "AA in Cyberspace: Carrying the Message." - - - - From: paula i'll be there!! keep the group posted and i can't wait to meet you f2f! paula area 93
southern california - - - - From: bevflk@aol.com (bevflk at aol.com) That sounds good to me Bev - - - - From: "Chuck Parkhurst" I am VERY excited about this idea and meeting all of you "heavy hitters." Please make sure that this gets posted on AAHL so all can attend. Thanks!
everything!) I will arrive Wed. and can be flexible about times. I would love to meet up with anyone who is there. Michael G. (former ICYPAA Archives Ch.) - - - - From: Shakey1aa@aol.com (Shakey1aa at aol.com) Cc: jim.myers56@yahoo.com, the_archivist@excite.com, jaredlobdell@aol.com I have been planning to meet with 20 or so AAHL members in San Antonio. It will
be on Wednesday June 30 or Thursday July 1. This will be before the International Convention actually begins (the convention starts with the party and dance at 7 p.m. that Thursday evening). It will be a location where we can sit down and meet for a couple hours. I have a location and time but I was asked not to announce it until a couple days (or maybe a week) before the event. I won't give the info out till then so that it won't jeopardize someone's job. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6546. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Back issues of Markings and Box 459
From: M.J. Johnson . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 6:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Point to note: Back issues of "Markings" on aa.org only go back to 1997, which is volume 17 of that publication. Only volume 24 (2004) through present are sequentially represented.
issues not hosted on aa.org that folks may be able to point me to. Much obliged, - M.J. - - - - On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Cindy Miller > > Every issue of "Markings" is on-line on the AA > Website, and I believe, so are the last 10 years > of Box 459.... >
substantial unanimity From: Sober186@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/15/2010 2:21:00 PM
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not notice that I had been directed to e-AA.org, a site for electronic-AA groups. The quote I forwarded is in the e-AA 'Groups' booklet. It has no validity for AA as a whole.
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Grapevine. Jim in Central Ohio - - - - Original question from: Lonnie V. (lvanderslice at gmail.com) Our group is struggling with an issue that has split the group at a 50/50 vote,
and the question has been posed as to how we will define "substantial unanimity." - - - - From: Roy Levin One thing is for sure, a 50/50 vote is NOT substantial unanimity. Such a motion which might be devisive is usally postponed or tabled. A group conscience by the way, is not exactly the final vote, but the sounding of all
opinions, making sure the "minority opinion" is heard. The vote is the final result of sounding out the group conscience. In an important vote to the format or future of a group often a long time is taken to make sure most opinions are heard from almost all members. On trivial issues often we limit debate to "three pros" "three cons" etc. each one has one minute in the interest of saving
time. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6548. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W. quote on purpose of an AA meeting
From: gbaa487 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/23/2010 7:11:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I found the following quote attributed to Bill W. Where can it be found? "Sobriety, freedom from alcohol through the teaching and practicing of the 12 Steps, is the sole purpose of an AA group."
AA meeting From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 9:10:00 PM
Grapevine article in 1958. I do not know which Grapevine issue. Jim On 5/23/2010 6:11 PM, gbaa487 wrote: > > I found the following quote attributed to Bill W. > Where can it be found? > > "Sobriety, freedom from alcohol through the teaching > and practicing of the 12 Steps, is the sole purpose > of an AA group." > >
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contained in the pamphlet 'Problems Other Than Alcohol' on the 4th page, including the front cover when counting. This pamphlet can be found at: http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-35_ProOtherThanAlcohol1.pdf Jim On 5/23/2010 6:11 PM, gbaa487 wrote: > freedom from alcohol through the teaching > and practicing of the 12 Steps
From: martinholmes76@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 5:05:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Was Dr. Silkworth a religious man? --from the Barking Big Book Study Saturday night IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6552. . . . . . . . . . . . Belladonna treatment and hydrotherapy From: martinholmes76@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 5:02:00 AM
treatment and Hydrotherapy. What are these treatments? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6553. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Searching for Letter to Alcoholic Foundation by Bill McI., 1946 From: SONJA THOMASON . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 6:33:00 PM
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the Toronto Secretary to Bobbie in New York. I would like to find a reliable copy of the letter online - I shouldn't have used the word "original"!! We're running a copy of it in our newsletter and there are a couple of things in it I'd like to check in it. Here's the letter below. But, I'd like to see it from an online source (I think there are a couple of mistakes in this version
below which I don't believe would be on the "original"). That was all I meant
when I used that word "original". Can anyone help me find this online. I don't really know where to start. Many thanks. Toronto A.A.
Central Group ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS 1170 Yonge St. March 20, 1946 Phone MI-9951
National Headquarters Alcoholics Anonymous New York, NY Dear Bobbie: I realize that I am reporting in rather late but A.A. has been moving very rapidly here since the first of the year and moving in the right direction. We started off with our New Year's party which was a grand success and quite different from a year previous when four of us sat in a morgue like atmosphere drinking ginger ale and wondering if it was worth it. This year we had well over
100 happy, laughing sober people. Truly a tribute to the way A.A. works. A second group had formed before Christmas and their method of leaving had left
rather a bitter taste. I am very glad to be able to say that most of that bitterness and resentment has gone and die two groups are constantly movingcloser together. Later we are going to have an East End Group and this,
I am sure, will have the hearty support of both groups and might be the weld needed to join all Toronto groups in the proper A.A. spirit. As you already know a small but solid group has started in Hamilton . A week ago, we chartered a bus and about 22 went over for their meeting. There was a member from Dundas ,
Ontario and one from Simcoe, a good indication of how A.A. is getting into even
the towns and villages around us. As you can see, we also modernized our stationery. Another reason for the delay is I wanted to use the new letter (or is that just another alibi). Also enclosed find our new pamphlet and enclosure we are using for mailing and the members to carry in their pockets. We have a number of other groups send us their pamphlets on A.A. and are trying to have 6 or so different kinds on hand to keep the new man interested and give him something to carry with him Would appreciate it greatly if you could send us a list of books which we could use as suggested reading. At present "Remember September" and the "Glass Crutch" is going the rounds but would like to get something with more meat in it. As the member progresses he is reaching for something more than sobriety. To meet this need, we would like to stock our library with those that have proven help/al. This Sunday, March 24th we are holding our 3rd Anniversary Meeting at the Knights of Columbus Hall from 3 p.m.until midnight. A buffet supper from 5-6 and the meeting to start at 7 p.m.with Clarence Snyder of Cleveland, Ohioas guest speaker. I am enclosing a clipping of our advertisement. We had this in both evening papers today and in the morning paper tomorrow the 21st. This get to-gether should do a lot to unify the various groups and comes at a very opportune time as we are trying to obtain some hospitalized plan for alcoholics. There has been a great deal of pressure put on the Provincial Government by the Temperance Groups
(note clippings also our Dr. Little's name in connection with their cause). This publicity and show of strength should help our appeal for a better deal for the alcoholic. Could your office forward us any State legislation concerning methods of hospitalizing alcoholics, such as Alabama and Connecticut ? Any information or definite form of procedure in use would help us greatly. Medicine is still not too interested in us here in Canada . However; that too will come. We have a great many doctors who are sympathetic toward our work and several who are going all out for us. I am enclosing various clippings pertaining to A.A. since the first of the year. We haven't selected a reporter for the Grapevine but will in the near future. I might say
our Women's Group under Mrs. P. is really doing a fine job. They run their own
show but have the willing help of both men's groups if they need it. This is all the news for the present. To date we have received n letter regarding our donation to the National Fund. Do we get that later? I wondered if it had been overlooked ill die turmoil caused by renovating the club rooms. With very best regards to yourself and Bill and all New York AA from Toronto.
Sincerely, Bill McI (Secretary) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6554. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Akron honors Dr. Bob by re-naming part of Olive Street From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 6:02:00 PM
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anything clear prior to his death it was that he did not want this kind of recognition. It seems that more and more, the respect for AA's anonymity Traditions are either dissolving or being trivialized (always with the best of intentions of course)." - - - - From: Cindy Miller Here, here! cindy miller - - - - From: "CloydG" Isn't it a bit awkward to be a celebrity in an anonymous program? I mean, I go to a lot of meetings inside of and outside of my home town. I hear people introduce themselves by first and last names. A lot say that we're only anonymous outside of AA, but are we? The traditions do not mention that so I guess my question is Author, have I missed something?
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for it or against it but to me, its more wothwhile than a "movie." Bob and Judy Schultz 101A Melbourne Park Circle Charlottesville, Virginia 22901-3924 434-295-7257 - - - - From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews hotmail.com) PS: And of course Bill W always declined honours for himself too. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6555. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W. quote on purpose of an AA meeting From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 9:14:00 PM
Stonebraker, Jay Lawyer, Lester Gother, Byron Bateman, Jason Clemons, Jim Myers, Charles Knapp, and glhughes227 - - - - Original message #6548 from said:
> Where can it be found? > > "Sobriety, freedom from alcohol through the teaching > and practicing of the 12 Steps, is the sole purpose > of an AA group." - - - - From: "M.J. Johnson" This seems to be inaccurate. Searching the Grapevine Digital Archive just for the phrase "teaching and practicing" among all issues from the 1950s yields no results. Searching for the phrase "teaching and practicing of the 12 Steps" (and "Twelve Steps") does not appear anywhere in the Grapevine archives.
freedom from alcohol - through the teaching and practice of A.A.'s 12 Steps, is the sole purpose of the group."
"practicing" make it not an exact quote. Tommy H in Baton Rouge - - - - From: "Laurence Holbrook" LaurenceHolbrook.com) Also from: From: "Rotax Steve" mindspring.com) As Bill Sees It [The A.A. Way of Life], Article 79 "Whose Responsibility." The reference listed is "letter 1966." - - - - From: "Robert Stonebraker" comcast.net) also from "Jay Lawyer" and "lester gother" Bill Wilson wrote this sentence in a small pamphlet titled, "Problems Other Than Alcohol, (excerpts)," in 1958. The catalogue number is F-8. GSO will send 50 of these free with an order, if requested.
hotmail.com) At the start of the narrative, underneath the inside title, it says it is "By
Bill." Also, the small excerpt from that pamphlet credits Bill on the front page. The copyright is February 1958. - - - - From: Jason Clemons *Problems Other Than Alcohol: What Can Be Done About Them?* by Bill W. -- A.A. Grapevine, February, 1958
http://www.barefootsworld.net/aa-problemsother.html - - - - From: Jim Myers Doing a quick search on silkworth.net, I was able to find the 1958 Grapevine article written by Bill Wilson titled, "Problems Other Than Alcohol: What Can Be Done About Them?" Here is the article in pdf format: http://www.silkworth.net/pdfBillW/Problems-Other-Than-Alcohol-Feb-1958.pdf Look to the 4th column, 2nd paragraph. Yours in service, Jim M,
http://www.silkworth.net/ - - - - From: Charles Knapp "Sobriety -- freedom from alcohol -- through the teaching and practice of the
Twelve Steps, is the sole purpose of an A.A. group," Bill wrote this in the February 1958 issue of the A.A. Grapevine. The AA Grapevine Digital Archives can find just about any quote of Bill W. Charles from Wisconsin - - - - From: glhughes227@yahoo.com (glhughes227 at yahoo.com) Also from: From: "planternva2000" (planternva2000 at yahoo.com) It in Language of the Heart, p. 223, in the article Problems Other Than Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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