> (hjfree at fuse.net) asked:
>
> >I have seen a letter or comment attributed
> >to Bill Wilson regarding abusive and vulgar
> >lanquage not being appropriate at meetings.
> >
> >Clues where to look?
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++++Message 5471. . . . . . . . . . . . SoCal GSR Preamble
From: Shane . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2009 11:33:00 PM
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Does anyone know the origin of the
GSR preamble which is read at monthly
District Meetings here in Southern California???
I would appreciate any info you may have.
Thanks.
Shane P.
Archivist, Area 05
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++++Message 5472. . . . . . . . . . . . Other 12 step groups'' use of the 12
steps and 12 traditions
From: lester112985 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2009 8:53:00 PM
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Hello group and Happy New Year,
On the title page of the basic text of
Narcotics Anonymous there is a statement
that reads 12 Steps and 12 Traditions
reprinted for adaption by permission of
A.A. World Services, Inc.
Can someone tell me how this permission is
obtained from AA. Was this a conference action?
Where can I find this in print from AA? I have
been asked this question more than once, any
help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Lester Gother
Archivist Area 44
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++++Message 5473. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Interviewing oldtimers
From: rick tompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/4/2009 9:18:00 AM
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Hello New Archivist Steve,
What is "already circulated by AAWS" as the
'Oral History Kit' you will find in the
Archives Workbook.
Online at the Fellowship's website (aa.org),
it collected and gathered many of the questions
archivists have been utilizing for a very long
time.
Originally it was expanded from a few questions
to many questions, back to a few questions
(Workbook 2004) and back to the list available
today.
Of course, one interview question leads to
others! If new ideas come to you please share
them.
And, allow the interviewee as much recollection
time as he or she'd like.
Rick, Illinois
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++++Message 5474. . . . . . . . . . . . Transcribing oral interviews.
From: charley.bill . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2009 2:56:00 AM
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This is especially for Glenn, and anyone else
burdened by lots of interviews to transcribe.
I went to the doctor recently and after his
exam, he pulled out a microphone and dictated
his report into the machine, gave me a copy
and one for my primary care doc.. He was
using Dragon Naturally Speaking 9.5 and it
only made one error!
I ran down to Fry's and bought one of the
Professional edition Dragons and started
reading up on what it can do. I have been
back to Fry's to get a small Sony recording
device.
I think I am now set up to learn how to record
interviews, or transfer tapes to hard disk,
and print the transcript, to have this Dragon
transcribe my entire backlog.
It says it can do it. I wonder if any one has
any ideas for setting this work up, whether
I will need any more equipment, etc. I would
appreciate your help and will keep you posted
on my progress.
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++++Message 5475. . . . . . . . . . . . Florence R. and Rollie H.
From: Michael F. Margetis . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/4/2009 4:23:00 PM
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FLORENCE RANKIN'S GRAVE:
In the Spring 2007 issue of "Markings" is an
article about the Washington (DC) Intergroup
(WAIA) locating Florence Rankin's grave.
It's a touching story about finding her burial
site in a rundown section of the cemetery
(George Washington Cemetery, Adelphi, Maryland)
and raising funds, privately, to purchase a
headstone. Apparently there was no headstone,
just a marker.
Bob W. and the WAIA archives committee are
doing a fantastic job!
ROLLIE HEMSLEY'S GRAVE:
Not long ago I learned, from reading old
baseball player bios, that Rollie Hemsley of
Cleveland Indians catcher 1940 anonymity break
fame, was buried at the same cemetery. I live
nearby and an AA friend and I visited both
gravesites recently. Quite an experience. If
anyone is interested in photos I'll be happy
to email them.
Contact me at:
(mfmargetis at yahoo.com)
Link to the Markings story, pg 4:
http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/f-151_markings_spring07.pdf
Thanks,
Mike Margetis
Brunswick, Maryland
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From the Markings story:
Florence R. was among the first women to get
sober in A.A., and the only one to write a
story for the first edition of Alcoholics
Anonymous. (Her story, “A Feminine Victory,”
is now found in Experience Strength and Hope
with others from the first three editions of
the Big Book.)
We in the archives committee felt that as a
part of A.A. history she was deserving of some
commemoration, and so decided to locate her
grave. We called the cemetery offices and asked
if they had a grave site for Florence R. Their
search proved negative. We then recalled that
the death certificate was for Florence K. (her
married name) and called the cemetery again
with that name, and that did the trick. They
had such a gravesite recorded April 1943.
Making arrangements with the cemetery offices,
we arrived to continue our search. The
caretaker provided a map and a marker and
told us that they would give us help with
our search. Two cemetery workers arrived with
a shovel and a metal detector and off we went
—- to an unkempt part of the cemetery where
there were no grave stones –- just a lot of
weeds, trees, and leaves. After much pacing
off of distances, the two workers exclaimed,
“Here it is!”
The workers used the shovel to clear the area
so that the metal marker could be seen. We
planted the flag marker and laid down a single
flower.
The cemetery informed us how we could go about
purchasing a gravestone .... at our next
Washington Area Intergroup Association Board
meeting [the] consensus was that ... it was
inappropriate to use A.A. money. [But] when we
announced that private funds would be sought,
we left the meeting with sufficient pledges
to cover the cost of both the stone and its
installation.
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From Nancy Olson's biographies of the Big Book
authors:
http://www.a-1associates.com/westbalto/HISTORY_PAGE/Authors.htm#Florence%20R
anki\
n [1]
A Feminine Victory -- Florence Rankin
New York City.
Original Manuscript, p. 217 in 1st edition
Florence was the first woman to get sober in
A.A., even for a short time. She came to A.A.
in New York in March of 1937. She had several
slips, but was sober over a year when she wrote
her story for the Big Book.
It must have been difficult for Florence being
the only woman. She prayed for inspiration to
tell her story in a manner that would give
other women courage to seek the help that she
had been given.
She was the ex-wife of a man Bill Wilson had
known on Wall Street. She thought the cause
of her drinking would be removed when she and
her husband were divorced. But it was her
ex-husband who took Lois Wilson to visit her
at Bellevue. Bill and Lois got her out of
Bellevue and she stayed in their home for a
time. After she left their home she stayed
with other members of the fellowship.
In part, due to Florence having been sober
more than a year, "One Hundred Men" was
discarded as the name for the Big Book.
She moved to Washington, D.C. and tried to help
Fitz Mayo ("Our Southern Friend"), who after
sobering up in New York started A.A. in
Washington, D.C.
She married an alcoholic she met there, who
unfortunately did not get sober. Eventually
Florence started drinking again and disappeared.
Fitz Mayo found her in the morgue. She had
committed suicide.
Despite her relapse and death from alcoholism,
Florence helped pave the way for the many women
who followed. She was in Washington by the
time Marty Mann ("Women Suffer Too"), the next
woman to arrive in A.A. in New York, entered
the program. Marty only met her once or twice,
but her story in the Big Book no doubt encouraged
Marty.
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++++Message 5476. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Florence R. and Rollie H.
From: Karl Kleen . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/9/2009 12:28:00 PM
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Would some member of the group who knows how to
do these things, consider adding Memorials for
Florence Rankin and Rollie Hemsley to the FIND A
GRAVE website?
http://www.findagrave.com/index.html
You could include photos of their gravestones
in their Memorials. That way we could all make
a (virtual) visit to their Memorials and access
any photos posted thereon. (Someone else might
have other photos that they could add?)
Several persons of interest already do have
Find A Grave Memorials.
Karl K.
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From the moderator: for example, Bill Wilson
and Lois Wilson, where Doug B. posted some
photos.
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In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com,
"Michael F. Margetis" wrote:
>
> FLORENCE RANKIN'S GRAVE:
> In the Spring 2007 issue of "Markings" is an
> article about the Washington (DC) Intergroup
> (WAIA) locating Florence Rankin's grave.
>
> It's a touching story about finding her burial
> site in a rundown section of the cemetery
> (George Washington Cemetery, Adelphi, Maryland)
> and raising funds, privately, to purchase a
> headstone. Apparently there was no headstone,
> just a marker.
>
> Bob W. and the WAIA archives committee are
> doing a fantastic job!
>
> ROLLIE HEMSLEY'S GRAVE:
> Not long ago I learned, from reading old
> baseball player bios, that Rollie Hemsley of
> Cleveland Indians catcher 1940 anonymity break
> fame, was buried at the same cemetery. I live
> nearby and an AA friend and I visited both
> gravesites recently. Quite an experience. If
> anyone is interested in photos I'll be happy
> to email them.
>
> Contact me at:
> (mfmargetis at yahoo.com)
>
> Link to the Markings story, pg 4:
> http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/f-151_markings_spring07.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Margetis
> Brunswick, Maryland
>
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++++Message 5477. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson against the use of
vulgar lanquage
From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/9/2009 4:43:00 AM
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Let us remember though that Bill also wrote
somewhere else that visitors to an AA meeting
might be surprised by the salty language that
sometimes occurred.
Unfortunately, I can't find the reference,
having keyed in words like swearing, salty
language, curses, bad language, strong language,
etc., in the Grapevine digital archive. Can
anyone point me in the right direction?
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To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.comFrom: agengler@wk.netDate: Wed, 7 Jan
2009
22:45:07 +0000Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Bill Wilson against the use of
vulgar lanquage
This statement by Bill Wilson can be found on page 3 of "Experience,
Strength &
Hope," the collection of stories from the first threeeditions of the Big
Book:
> "Since the audience for the book [Big Book]
> is likely to be newcomers, anything from the
> point of view of content or style that might
> offend or alienate those who are not familiar
> with the program should be carefully elim-
> inated . . . Profanity, even when mild,
> rarely contributes as much as it detracts.
> It should be avoided."
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> Message 5450 from
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