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initiative and then it got changed
back.”
“So if we need to go back to
looking at salaries and those types of
adjustments, I’m all in favor of it. “
“One thing I’m proud of, I
said I would never cash out leave or
FICA or take a bonus. Happy with
the salary I’m making. And that’s the
answer to that question.”
Ella: “I believe that whole issue
needs to be revisited.”
“You know since that time six
years have passed, and you know
you hear complaints about it all
the time, why is the Council and
Executives cashing out that 240 …
so yeah I think it is ... something
that can be revisited, you know
‘cause since that time resolutions
or motions have been made and if
that’s what the people want, then
I’m in support of that.”
Floyd: “… Old Agency DCA
… As a part of the solution we gave
every DCA chairman the language.
So we all wanted to change it to the
same language and you could never
get the districts to agree.”
“Absolutely would not agree. “
“Some wanted to increase their
Councilman’s salary up to $85,000.
Some wanted to decrease it down to
$40,000. So what did we do about
it? Nothing we can do. We tried!”
“I even suggested every district
have their own legislative policy. You
district members voted….”
“If they feel that your
Councilmen is worth $80,000 and
that’s what you want to give them,
give it to him. They couldn’t agree
on that either.”
“So they’re, like I said ... they
had to follow something. They went
back to the old policy.”
“They had to follow something.
Otherwise, it’s ....”
“I got interviewed by the FBI
about three months ago on this
particular situation, and they had
asked about the leave, asked about
the FICA, and I told them. ‘It’s an
open book.’ I said.”
“The legislative policy is out
there. Everybody knows what a
Councilmen makes.”
“Whether they cash out their
leave, that’s up to the individual, but
everybody knows the potential that
they can make. If they cash out all
their 240 hours, they get their FICA
and their salary.”
“Everybody knows what that is.
It’s not anything new. It’s not any ...
nobody’s hiding anything.”
“That’s what I explained to
them.”
“Took about a half hour and I
think they still somewhat disagreed.”
“I’m not going to throw any
former Council people under the
bus when you have somebody that’s
in the hospital for a month, and
they still cash out 240 hours.,”
“Hey, that’s on them, you
know? If they never get re-elected,
that’s on them ... the individual.”
“But we have to follow
something and right now the
current legislative policy is ... states
that we get the FICA, get the 240.
Mike knows this.”
“When we got in Council
together back in the day, they cut
everything in half.”
“They used to get 480 hours.
We cut all that down.:”
“We cut bonuses out.
“People were getting three, four
bonuses from being on different
boards and working for the Tribe.”
“We cut all that out.”
“You get one $500 Christmas
bonus by everyone else, no matter
how many entities you work for or
you support that you sat on, so we
addressed all that.”
“It used to be higher. It really
did.”
Danielle: “As a previous
employee of Tribe I don’t agree with
our Council and Executives cashing
out their leave.”
“I never agreed with that
because as an employee we work
hard for those accrued hours and so
I don’t agree with that.”
“I think that does need to
be changed but like Mike ... like
they said previously, it needs to be
brought up to your district. The
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FICA, like they said it’s going to be
fixed here, so ... but I don’t agree
with when we get elected to these
positions that it should be ... you’re
there to provide a service to the
people. You’re there to be there and
be the voice for the people. Not
be sitting there trying to benefit
yourself and your own pocket for
your own family.”
“I mean I’ve learned how to
make ends meet on bare minimum.
I’m a struggling entrepreneur and
I am making it. So with that being
said, and being a previous employee,
I think those need to be changed
and revisited.”
Eddie: “When me and the
Chairman got on, I think this has
been ... what it is it, four times,
Dave? Four times and each time it’s
been different.”
“I know Vice-Chairman says
that it has been cut, but I know
also that when we got in it was ...
the healthcare was also cut. That’s
something that wasn’t provided to
the Councilmen anymore or they
need to pay just like an employee,
but as for the issue, I’m willing to
address it. I know it’s been an issue
with the public all the time.”
“It’s tough … when you get
people saying, ‘All seven don’t have
to do it, all seven need to do it.’”
“But I’m only willing to
address the issue as long as it’s there.
If it takes four more times we’ll keep
doing it again, but for when I was
Old Agency Councilman I guess
I was just wondering where that
$90,000 luncheon was?”
“I’m just kidding. I know
myself I do use my leave. I don’t
cash it all out.”
“I think that is wrong, cashing
240 out when you know there’s
times where you need to take
(leave). I know there’s time when
you need to take time off and I
don’t agree with cashing out the 240
either.”
Myrna: “In regards to Initiative
One, I actually signed that petition
and you know what, the elders went
through a lot of time and effort to
get that petition done, that initiative
done, and get all the signatures, and
I guess it hurt my feelings at that
time when it went to Council then
it was disregarded.”
“And I guess it just goes back
to the voice of the people.”
“The voice of the people have
spoken at that time and yet it was
disregarded.”
“So I think it’s just an example
that you can do all that, make
all that effort, and get all those
signatures, and you still ... the
Constitution was violated because
they did not adopt that, what the
elders wanted at that time, that
legislative policy change.”
“And as far as that goes, I
guess in my mind being a salaried
employee, I would think you
wouldn’t get 240 hours to begin
with because as a salaried employee
you would be able to take your time
off and still get paid….”
Lisa: “I feel like the initiative,
Initiative One, has gone by, but I
feel like it could be revisited.”
“When the people come
together and put this together I
think as Executives and as Council
we need to acknowledge what the
people want.”
“So if the people were to come
and say they wanted to revise the
legislative policy, I would be in
support of that.”
“I don’t feel like the 240 should
be afforded to us because we are
salaried employees.”
“I’m not sure how the
healthcare has changed since then,
but I feel like it should apply to us
as it does Tribal personnel, that if
you’re an employee you pay for your
healthcare, so I think that should
come out of pocket. So, I’d be open
to what the people … want.”
Martha: “We got tons of
questions, but we’d like to give all
of you a chance to give some final
remarks this evening and I’ve got
about five questions here that I
would like you to address in your
final remarks, okay? And then to let
everybody else know on October
23rd, we will be having another
candidates forum for the people
who move forward after the primary.
You can put that in your calendars.
That’s a Tuesday, four weeks from
now … October 23rd.
“Okay, these are the questions
you should listen to … address in
your final remarks. “Do you support
disenrolling sexual predators from
the Tribe?” That’s one. “Do we
have intellectual copyright now for
medicinal plants?” Also, “what do
we have regarding water with our
aquifer?” Here’s another one. “What
can the Tribe do to see that Dakota
language or Dakota history exists
in schools is ... there is no Dakota
language and Dakota history … in
schools so what can the Tribe do
to get that implemented because
we do have a lot of Native children
in schools.” The next one is,
“Why did the Tribe let off when
Gilbert Robertson was buried on
a Saturday?” I guess you should’ve
asked that a long time ago.”
[Crosstalk/noise in the audio.]
Danielle: “I’m going to
answer this question … What are
some of the things we want to do
with our aquifer … I serve on an
EPAC committee, Environmental
Protection Advisory Committee,
and I believe that our aquifer … it’s
so huge … the one by Veblen, and
I know they’ve done research on
it, and they had a geologist come
in and they did do the research to
make sure it wasn’t ... our water
aquifer wasn’t being contaminated.”
“There’s so much clay and
everything else, the rocks and clay
that filter any kind of water that
comes through so that ... the aquifer
is protected.”
(Editor’s note: Our apology to
Danielle, but that, as well as other
information provided to OEP and
the Tribe by Riverside Dairy, is
misleading. There are variegated
strips of both rock/clay as well as
sand throughout that watershed, so
contamination can and does filter
down to pose a threat to the quality
of the Veblen Aquifer. No, the
aquifer is not protected. [SWO Mni
Wiconi.])
“We could utilize our own
aquifer ... I think one of the things
is we could use it with our own
water bottling company. I know
right now, I mean, everywhere you
look, we’re purchasing water.”
“Another thing that we could
do is use that source, that resource
for our own reservation, within
our own reservation boundaries,
it’s a possibility ‘cause right now we
run on rural water. There’s a lot of
different things that we can do as
a Tribe with our aquifer and right
now we’re not doing anything with
it.”
“I just wanted to let you guys
all know that it is a really good water
source … with a filtering system
that automatically has, that Mother
Earth gave it.”
“That water will always be
protected.”
“For economic development,
is maybe considering our own water
bottling company.”
Ella: “One of the questions
concerned intellectual property
rights on our medicinal plants.”
“And I don’t know if I can refer
to THPO or Tamara … I know
at one time the Tribal Historic
Preservation Office was working
with a lawyer to work on the
protection of our medicinal plants
and medicines along with our sites
….”
“The Big Coulee District was at
one time working on a tea project,
trying to obtain a patent for that
tea.”
“I do believe that it’s
important, that we need to protect
those resources that we have
to ensure that they’re not over-
harvested, not only by non-natives,
but even our own Tribal members.”
“The second thing I wanted to
answer was about our aquifer.”
“Never in the selling of our
lands did we give up our water
rights, our underground water
rights.”
“And I don’t know that at
any point that we really enforced
that or exercised the right to our
underground water, but I think that
we’ll definitely need some help with
that, you know having an attorney
that has experience in federal law,
enforcing … our rights … how the
Winter’s Doctrine is going to work
in our favor when it comes to access
to water … making our reservation
viable and livable.”
Ella also brought up “… the
Keystone pipeline … (how) it is
affecting us. And what are we doing
to protect ourselves?”
“A lot of it goes back to federal
law and having an understanding
of that and ensuring that our
leadership has an understanding …
also our Tribe, our Tribal members.
Because our Tribal members are the
ones that are making some of these
decisions.”
“I think we need better
communication with our
population.”
“The decisions that are being
made, a lot of times we don’t have
information prior to decisions being
made.”
“I think we really need to work
on communications. The Sota,
the radio station (aren’t) the only
thing. A lot of people are utilizing
social media … and are changing
with the times to reach our Tribal
membership.”
Eddie: “The question was
taking decisions back to the
districts, before they’re made by
Tribal Council.”
“In all reality if that was true I
think everybody would do that.”
“But there’s sometimes you
have to make decisions on behalf of
your districts.”
“From being a former
Councilman, on behalf of your
district without being able to take
information back. I think it would
be ideal for every Council member
to want to take their information
back so they know how to vote and
make sure they’re voting correctly.”
“But at the same time, that’s
why you voted them in there.
They’re your voice, and sometimes
the decisions have to be made in
a timely manner. They don’t have
time to take it back to district. They
might miss out on grants, they
might miss out of a few things.
But at the same time I think every
Councilperson would love to take
them back to your districts to get
approval, but sometimes that just
doesn’t happen.”
Michael: “I don’t remember all
five questions, but I’m going to try
to give some final comments.”
“I think that when there are
financial issues or expenditures that
are over and beyond the budget that
Council approves that those should
be taken back to the communities
for input.”
“I think you really need to
create a formal process for budgeting
and live by it.”
“The other thing that strikes
me on some of these issues is that
they really should be questions that
are put to the voters and get input
from them.”
“They don’t necessarily have to
be referendums or initiatives. But
just survey type things that go out
to the General Council, so you have
input to how the people feel overall
on them.”
“One of the things I want to
say in closing is that as I look down
the table here at the candidates.
“I know each and every one
of them in a different way and in a
good way.”
“We’re not adversaries up here.”
“We’re all trying to provide you
with the perspectives that we have.”
“And that I believe that we’re
trying to better our Dakota society.”
“And I think of them each in a
positive way.”
“And I hope you know that if I
offend any one of them, I apologize.
‘Cause I know you’re trying your
best.”
“And I want to thank you for
the opportunity to be at this public
forum that the elderly have put out
for us. And I hope all of us live a
good life and better our families and
our communities by our behaviors
and or ways.”
Dave: I’m gonna tackle
probably the most challenging
question of the five that hasn’t been
addressed yet.”
“Would you support dis-
enrolling a sexual predator.”
“And I hope for those of you
that I don’t have your support yet
that this be a testament of myself
not being afraid to challenge an
issue, or to answer an issue that is
very challenging.”
“You know, I know for a
fact, not from experience, but
from visiting with people that it’s
unfortunate the ones that violated
or abused, first of all it’s a very sad
thing. It’s unfortunate.”
“And although I’ve been very
critical of some of the actions of our
people for many things, drugs. I
don’t hate anybody. I might dislike
what actions they’ve taken or some
things they did, but I don’t harbor
hate. I really don’t.”
“People like the Taliban, those
kind of people I could see hating,
and I have hated. They’re very cruel
people that they don’t care what type
of religion in, if you don’t believe in
Islam, they will behead you.”
“So I do know what hate is, but
I don’t hate the actions. I don’t hate
the people, I dislike the action. But
I have close friends, I’m not, again,
I’m just answering the question
because it’s a very tough question.”
“The other ones are easy.”
“I have friends that were dating
girls that were a year or two younger
than them. They were high school
sweethearts. And he turns 18. And
he’s still dating a 17 year old he’s
been dating since he was 14 and 15.
And all of a sudden he’s being, they
get into a fight, the family goes after
him. And now he’s a convicted felon
for violating a minor.”
“When nobody said anything
for all those years he was with her …
there’s a couple of my close friends
out there that are like that. And they
carry that conviction with them.”
“So, that’s really unfortunate.”
“The question was would
you support dis-enrolling a sexual
predator.”
“For those that have
committed serious violations
against an innocent person, again,
I’m not speaking from experience,
but just from visiting with people,
some of these people that are
committing, we talked about
historical trauma, there’s also trauma
that has happened to them. And so
it’s a learned behavior that wasn’t
addressed when they were young.
That it was okay for priests and
Catholic church to violate young
boys and girls. Especially young
boys.”
“And so it’s a really difficult
question to answer, and my answer
is, it’s my answer, so I own it.
Depending on the severity of what
happened, if they are continuing to
perpetrate, if they’re two, three time
violators, I could see banishment
being incorporated, and having that
person be banished.”
“But I believe, in Dakota
(values). One of them is Wahopida.”
“Again, I don’t condone the
action. But having compassion.
Maybe there’s been times I’ve seen
healing between the violator and
those that have been violated.”
“So my answer to that, ‘cause
it’s the most challenging question,
and it hasn’t been answered yet
is I would be in favor if it was
a continued happening. If it’s
happening continually.”
“Intellectual copyright for
plants, there is none at this time that
I know of.”
“I think there should be on …
all those medicines.”
“There should be an intellectual
copyright.”
“Why isn’t that happening? It’s
important to own those medicines.”
“But we’re dealing with meth
right now. We’re dealing with meth,
we’re dealing with heroin, we’ve
got a lot of other bigger issues,
and if any one person thinks they
can come in and fix it, let me be a
testament that you can’t. Because I
thought I could, and I can’t. I can’t
fix everything at once. We have a
good team and we’re trying to do
the best we can.”
“Water code … we brought in
Wes Martel. He’s in my opinion a
water expert.”
“We are working. We haven’t
come back to the table in at least
a couple months. But we have
initiated the early stages, the early
process of getting a water code.”
“Brought him in, he had a four
day visit with a lot of OEP, with a
lot of people … there’s some people
in this room that had participated in
that discussion.”
“We haven’t got back to getting
the code. The process was initiated.
That’s something we need to
complete.”
“Dakota language at the public
schools, impact aid money, we can
talk about that all day.”
“I think our school board
rep, which is Deb (Flute), she’s a
member of our Tribe. I don’t know,
is there any Tribal members on the
public school board? Just Deb I
think.”
“We can get the message up
to her. We can get Dr. Johnson,
Education Department.”
“Next time the Education
comes in, it’s more of a Tribal
Secretary duty, but Dakota language
is important to me. It should be in
the public schools, even if the Tribe’s
got to pay for somebody to be in
there.”
“Why did the Tribe let
off, get with Robertson from
my office. There was some
miscommunication.”
“Not blaming the family, but
there was a lot of people in my ear
about what had happened.”
“From my standpoint, I’m not
blaming anybody, but there was
some miscommunication from, not
from the Executive side.”
“District’s involved in big
decision. I think there ought to be
a general assembly. And this goes to
Constitution.”
“My final comments, this Tribe
is growing at a fast rate.”
“That number of 30%
growth, which means our Tribal
Constitution’s probably never going
to get changed.”
“A lot of things in that
Constitution, the governing
document of our Tribe, is never
going to get changed unless we
figure out a way to maybe go to the
percentage of people that actually
voted.”
“If there’s 2,000 people that
voted, I could see 50% being the
mark that if you’re going to change
the Constitution or anything in that
Constitution, that should be the
mark. It’s a reasonable mark.”
“If we’re only getting an
average of 2,000 people voting in
elections based on the last number
of people who actually voted, not
the entire voting population. Which
is close to 7,000 now. So you do
the math, we’re not going to get to
30%. Very tough to get to 30%.”
“Districts involved, again, it
goes, my last comment here.”
“I talk to people that say what
about my voice. I work four to 12. I
can’t go to district meetings. I work
at Dakota Western, midnight to
eight. I can’t go to district meetings.
I’m getting out of bed, I’m supposed
to be getting ready for work, I can’t
go to district. So what about their
voice? What about their voice?”
“Therefore my solution to
that, which has always been on
big decisions like $30 million
dollar loan from Shakopee, like
Traverse District was opposed at
the time, ‘cause we didn’t have
enough information to make a good
decision for our district.”
“I brought that to Council,
voted against the loan.”
“But a handful of people
supported their District
Councilman, and the motion was
passed.”
“I do agree that we have a
beautiful admin building. We do
have some challenges up there.”
“But I would like to see input,
good input, not just 30 or 40 people
from districts going to a meeting
and having it be a 15 to 16 vote
whether we go get $30 million or
not. So districts involved, yes. But
there also needs to be more general
council meetings.”
Eddie: “I’ll start off with
districts’ approval before any
decision to make. I know I was
sitting on Council that I would
always take the issues made
there, and I understand what the
Chairman was saying about there’s
only 20 people there, we need to
find a way for other people …