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In Bill W's telling of his story to a group in New York City in Nov 1950, on the
night of Dr. Bob's passing, the term "sponsor" was used by Bill as follows: When Bill went to attend his first Oxford group meeting he got drunk along the
way there. He met a sail maker in the bar. The two of them went together to the
location where the Oxford group was meeting. When they got there the man at the
door would not let them in (because they were so drunk) ..... Bill says that Ebby had to "sponsor them in." Maybe something? SWJ ________________________________ From: royslev To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 9:53:24 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Big Book Page 100 to do with sponsorship
used,
since it was not mentioned in the first 164 pages of the BB. Was this an Oxford
Group term? Any experts on early Oxford Group history out there? Or perhaps, owners of original or reprinted "What is the Oxford Group?" texts, or other "official" Oxford Group literature? Does Oxford Group literature mention that
term? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6640. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Split from the Oxford Group: New York, Cleveland, Akron From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/17/2010 9:27:00 AM
of 1937 according to the "The Amos Roster." Both were from Cleveland. Clarence came into the group in February of 1938 and was not one of the "members" reported to Frank Amos by Dr Bob in that second week of February 1938. Warm Regards IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6641. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Split from the Oxford Group: New York, Cleveland, Akron From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/17/2010 10:03:00 AM
words.
He recounts the story of his having called Dr. Bob who told him to meet him at Akron City Hospital. If Lloyd T. paid the tab, then that may indeed be the origin of that citation in Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers, but in Clarence's own
words it was Bob who took him through the process. His story of Bob asking him
to get out of his hospital beds in his shortie patient's nightgown and kneel on the cold floor to repeat his third step prayer is simultaneously hilarious and moving.
Clarence S. founder Cleveland at 18th Arizona State Convention 9/22/68 parts 1 & 2 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6642. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Sam Shoemaker and Not Maximum From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/17/2010 9:54:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From everything I've read and heard Sam Shoemaker was one of the few "maximum" Oxford Groupers who encouraged Bill to continue his work with drunks, whereas
other non-alcoholic O.G. "elders" were trying to get Bill to get active with the
O.G. "Businessman's Committee" to convert Bill's former associates, the Wall Street Big Shots. I don't think Bill's split was much with Sam at all, rather with other New York City O.G. members. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6643. . . . . . . . . . . . Who was Dr. Bob''s sponsor? From: M.J. Johnson . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/17/2010 3:38:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Here's a really basic question for which I've not found a definitive answer:
literature written by or documented talks by Dr. Bob? If not, who did Dr. Bob
consider his sponsor? Many thanks. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6644. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Split from the Oxford Group: New York, Cleveland, Akron From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/18/2010 10:08:00 AM
still
be in Akron City hospital being "interviewed" by Paul Stanley, Bill Van Horn,
Bill D., and other early members of the "alcoholic squadron" of the Akron Oxford
Groups. - - - - On Thu, 6/17/10, John Barton Clarence came into the group in February of 1938 and was not one of the "members" reported to Frank Amos by Dr Bob in that second week of February 1938.
From: Richard H . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/18/2010 9:56:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Warm greetings from West Virginia Area 73 Archives, Many members share the suggestion that no major changes be made in the first year of your sobriety to newcomers. Does anyone know of any source for this train of thought? AA or otherwise.
Area 73 Archivist IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6646. . . . . . . . . . . . Minority opinion and the secret ballot
From: Jason Clemons . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/20/2010 8:09:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Historically, how does an AA service body express minority opinion when voting is done by secret ballot (as in removal of a trusted servant from position)?
Jason
++++Message 6647. . . . . . . . . . . . Grapevine: might writing AA history drive a person to drink? From: joe . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/22/2010 7:58:00 PM
think
of many on this forum - the experts who keep us straight on the "exact dates,
places, and names" and love doing it - most of which are AA's and in no danger
of being driven to drink....at least not today. Round and Around We Go. . . Volume 17 Issue 1 June 1960 Traveling over the globe, the AA message has seemed to follow definite paths,
invisible but apparently straight and true. It is as if the hands that guided
each of us to AA also unerringly point the direction in which we should give away our blessings, if we want AA's richest rewards. To the infinite benefit of all of us, the message has surmounted mountains, deserts, oceans, and every kind of manmade boundary to get straight to bewildered hearts lost in the alcoholism wildernesses all over the world. Precisely how it happened--the exact dates, places, and names--will of course
probably wait for some compulsive non-AA researcher obsessed with footnotes and
other such documenting. Poor guy. It'll probably drive him to drink. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6648. . . . . . . . . . . . LA members: June G and Sybil Corwin From: jaxena77 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/23/2010 2:56:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am trying to get in touch with June G from Venice Beach/LA. She is a circuit
speaker, who spoke at the ICYPAA convention years ago. She got sober when she
was 13 years old in Venice Beach. Does anyone know how I might get in contact
with her? In a similar vein, I am also trying to get in touch with any former sponsees, family or friends of Sybil Corwin.
characters in it. My email is: inourownwords.sanantonio@gmail.com (inourownwords.sanantonio at gmail.com) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6649. . . . . . . . . . . . Notes kept by participants in early meetings
From: Marsha . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/23/2010 9:32:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Folks: This question is especially for you who have traveled to the museums of early AA
... Are there any existing notes from early meetings (whether Oxford or Early AA)?
Marsha in VA 4-4-86
++++Message 6650. . . . . . . . . . . . State-of-the-Art Recovery circa 1818 From: kevinr1211 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 3:18:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The following is from The Idiot, a Boston, MA newspaper Saturday March 14, 1818
vol 1, no 10 Five reasons for not using Spirituous Liquors. A Touchstone. 1) Because it poisons the blood and destroys the organs of digestion 2) Because an ENEMY should be kept without the gate. 3) Because I am in health and need no medicine. 4) Because I have my senses and wish to keep them. 5) Because I have a soul to be saved or lost.
volume
on the subject would be useless. He is unfitted for society; and the sooner he is in his grave the better- Better for society and for himself-For society- Because of his example- For himself- because his further torment will be less.
++++Message 6651. . . . . . . . . . . . Sybil Corwin''s living sponsees From: jaxena77 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 1:37:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone know and have contact information for any of Sybil C (Los Angeles)
sponsees? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6652. . . . . . . . . . . . Grapevine Play in San Antonio From: jaxena77 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 1:35:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I want to personally thank this group for all the help it provided while writing
the play In Our Own Words: Pioneers of Alcoholics Anonymous. I couldn't have done it with this group. I hope you can attend: IN OUR OWN WORDS: PIONEERS OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS Friday and Saturday, July 2 and 3 at 11:00 AM La Condesa / El Mirador Rooms (22nd Floor) Hilton Palacio del Rio 200 South Alamo Street
Words,
presented by the Grapevine during the 2010 International Convention of Alcoholics Anonymous in San Antonio. IN OUR OWN WORDS dramatizes the first-hand accounts of the founders and pioneers
of A.A., including the early members of special composition groups in the fellowship. The play was written using primarily found text as source material i.e. the writings and recordings of A.A. members. Adapted from the original text, interviews and speaker tapes of the founders of AA, including Bill Wilson, Dr.
Bob Smith, Lois Wison, Anne Smith, Ebby Thatcher, Clarence Snyder, William Silkworth, Hank Parkhurst, Bill Dotson, Ruth Hock, Rev. Sam Shoemaker, Florence R, Marty Mann, Sybil Corwin, Jimmy Miller, Joe McQuany, Ricardo M, June G, Dick Perez and many more! Literary sources include A.A. conference-approved and non-conference-approved material, including the The Grapevine digital archives, and the following texts:
The Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, by Alcoholics Anonymous World Service
Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers, by Alcoholics Anonymous World Service A.A. Comes of Age by Alcoholics Anonymous World Service Language of the Heart: Bill W's Grapevine Writings, by the AA Grapevine Women Pioneers in 12 Step Recovery by Joan Zieger History of Gay People in Alcoholics Anonymous by Audrey Borden How it Worked by Mitchell K. The Convict and the Factory Owner by Glenn C. A Biography of Miss Marty Mann by David Brown Source material from audio recordings includes numerous speaker tapes that are
now available through the CD Library in Central Office in San Francisco. Additional research provided by AAHistoryLovers Yahoo Group, www.silkworth.net, www.hindsfoot.org, and www.barefootsworld.net. Please email this to anyone you know is going to the International Convention! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6653. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book Page 100 to do with sponsorship From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 11:20:00 AM
"sponsor" in the same sense of a baptismal Godfather term? Is it in any of their literature? - - - - From: J. Lobdell Subject: Re: Big Book Page 100 to do with sponsorship <<... the OG used the term "sponsor" more or less in the sense used of Godparents in Sacramental Baptism -- and btw at Calvary, Bill was Ebby's sponsor.>>
Corwin
From: Charles Grotts . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 9:48:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII If you try the LA Central Office, June may be on the speakers list. You can ask
for Harvey, he would probably know. 323-936-4343. I know a person who would have her number but he's on vacation for two months. Best wishes, Chuck, Los Angeles IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6655. . . . . . . . . . . . 85% emotional and 15% physical From: Jim M . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 1:57:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I don't have much to go on, but I received an email from a woman from France,
originally from Quebec, Canada. In here email, she asked me to help her find the
AA literature that talks about sickness from alcoholism being 85% emotional (mental obsession) and 15% physical (physical allergy). She also goes on to say, in her words, "I agree to know it where cause when I'm
talking about that I want to know the source. I wrote this in 1982 or 1983; I had this book or pamphlet in Quebec, Canada but since I came here in France I don't have it anymore." Does anyone here know what literature this may have been written in, if in fact,
it was? And if so, do you have it electronically stored on your computer or know
where this phamplet or book may be found? Possibly the title of the phamplet or book or what ever AA literature this may be in? Any help with this will be received with much gratitude, not just by me, but most of all by Renée Matte in France. Yours in service, Jim M.
silkworth.net IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6656. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Notes kept by participants in early meetings From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 6:29:00 AM
ballot
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/23/2010 9:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII the minority opinion is discussed with that person out of the room. - - - - In a message dated 6/23/2010 9:51:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jasonrclemons@gmail.com writes: Historically, how does an AA service body express minority opinion when voting
is done by secret ballot (as in removal of a trusted servant from position)? Thank you, Jason
++++Message 6658. . . . . . . . . . . . AAHL -- SAN ANTONIO -- 3-5:00 Sat. July 3
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 9:04:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII MAIN AA HISTORY LOVERS GET-TOGETHER at the San Antonio International, 3:00-5:00 p.m., Saturday, July 3, 2010 in the AA Online hospitality suite (Crockett Suite A/B) at the Grand Hyatt Hotel (the main convention hotel). The AA Online hospitality room will be open continuously from Thursday through
Saturday. The New York GSO has suggested this to us as an ideal place for members of the AAHistoryLovers to meet. So if you have some free time, come in and sit down and have a cup of coffee and chat. I'll be there when I'm not otherwise involved, and so will some of our other members, I believe. Glenn Chesnut, Moderator AAHistoryLovers OTHER EVENTS: ======================================== Friday, July 2, 2010 ========================================
GSO Archives, in the Henry B Gonzalez Convention Center -- we will have some tables and chairs at our disposal and Michelle Mirza, the GSO Archivist, has agreed to briefly chat with us. A good chance to learn more about the historical resources in the New York AA Archives. 1:30-3:00 p.m. Arthur S. of the AAHistoryLovers will be one of the 3 speakers participating in the Archives AA History Workshop at the MRW (Marriott River Walk). ****3:30-5:00 p.m. AN ADDITIONAL GOOD OPPORTUNITY to meet a few AAHL members for anyone who can't make the Saturday afternoon meeting: all members of the AAHistoryLovers who want to, can meet and discuss Arthur's talk in the AA Online hospitality suite, Crockett Suite A/B, at the Grand Hyatt Hotel. Or just sit down and have a cup of
coffee, and have an informal conversation with some of the other AAHL members
sitting around the table. ======================================== Saturday, July 3, 2010 ========================================
There will be a presentation on the History of AA in New Jersey in the hospitality suite at the Grand Hyatt in the Bonham Room.
MAIN A.A. HISTORY LOVERS GET-TOGETHER In the AA Online hospitality suite (Crockett Suite A/B) at the Grand Hyatt Hotel. No program, just come in and sit down and have a chat, and get to know some of your fellow AAHL members over a good cup of coffee. ======================================== ALSO: 11:00 a.m. Friday and Saturday, July 2 and 3 "In Our Own Words: Pioneers of Alcoholics Anonymous" at La Condesa / El Mirador Rooms (22nd Floor) Hilton Palacio del Rio, 200 South Alamo Street.
founders and pioneers of A.A., including the early members of special composition groups in the fellowship. Performed by a group of the SF fellowship. ======================================== [as revised 6/24/10] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6659. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: No major changes in the first year
From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 10:42:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The local nest of book thumpers here in Santa Monica are always making fun of this fellowship slogan, as they do with many other fellowship "folk slogans" which don't appear in the book. The essence of their jibe is "We're asked to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God," but it's suggested not to make any major changes in the first year. It is rather ironic looked at in that light.
From: Richard H Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] No major changes in the first year To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:56 AM Â Warm greetings from West Virginia Area 73 Archives, Many members share the suggestion that no major changes be made in the first year of your sobriety to newcomers. Does anyone know of any source for this train of thought? AA or otherwise.
Area 73 Archivist [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6660. . . . . . . . . . . . Best Literature on Anonimity / Dr. Bob & Bill W. From: Marsha Finley . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/24/2010 10:20:00 PM
meeting topic. There is also a side issue of taking notes in a meeting - seems that it makes some uncomfortable - and the anonymity implications).
pamphlet "Understanding Anonymity", and Bill W did an article or two... Wasn't there a statement by Dr. Bob too?
Recovery Anonymity for the Individual Unity Anonymity for the Group Service Anonymity for the Whole I thank you in advance for your responses... On or off-list! Marsha F in VA 4-4-86
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Dr. Bob & Bill W. From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2010 4:01:00 AM
From: ms1finley@inbox.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:20:21 -0400 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Best Literature on Anonimity / Dr. Bob & Bill W. Heya Folks: I am doing some research on anonymity (for personal knowledge and as a meeting topic. There is also a side issue of taking notes in a meeting - seems that it makes some uncomfortable - and the anonymity implications).
pamphlet "Understanding Anonymity", and Bill W did an article or two... Wasn't there a statement by Dr. Bob too?
Recovery Anonymity for the Individual Unity Anonymity for the Group Service Anonymity for the Whole I thank you in advance for your responses... On or off-list! Marsha F in VA 4-4-86
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http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6662. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Best Literature on Anonimity / Dr. Bob & Bill W. From: aalogsdon@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2010 2:27:00 AM
of Dr.Bob's approach to anonymity. "He (Dr. Bob) said there were two ways to break the anonymity tradition: (1) by giving your name at the public level or press or radio; (2) by being so anonymous that you can't be reached by other drunks." There continues several paragraphs of discussion of this topic.
From: Marsha Finley To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:20 pm Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Best Literature on Anonimity / Dr. Bob & Bill W.
meeting topic. There is also a side issue of taking notes in a meeting - seems that it makes some uncomfortable - and the anonymity implications).
pamphlet "Understanding Anonymity", and Bill W did an article or two... Wasn't there a statement by Dr. Bob too?
Recovery Anonymity for the Individual Unity Anonymity for the Group Service Anonymity for the Whole I thank you in advance for your responses... On or off-list! Marsha F in VA 4-4-86
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Dr. Bob & Bill W. From: bent_christensen5 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2010 8:28:00 AM
films."
our Tradition on anonymity designates the exact level where the line should be held, it must be obvious to everyone who can read and understand the English language that to maintain anonymity at any other level is definitely a violation of this Tradition. "The AA who hides his identity from his fellow AA by using only a given name violates the Tradition just as much as the AA who permits his name to appear in the press in connection with matters pertaining to AA. "The former is maintaining his anonymity ABOVE the level of press, radio, and
films, and the latter is maintaining his anonymity BELOW the level of press, radio, and films - whereas the Tradition states that we should maintain our anonymity AT the level of press, radio, and films."
wrote:
> > Heya Folks: > > I am doing some research on anonymity (for personal knowledge and as a > meeting topic. There is also a side issue of taking notes in a meeting - > seems that it makes some uncomfortable - and the anonymity implications). > > What to you recommend as the best, definitive reading? Yes, GSO has the > pamphlet "Understanding Anonymity", and Bill W did an article or two... > Wasn't there a statement by Dr. Bob too? > > I am keenly interested about Anonymity at all three levels: > Recovery Anonymity for the Individual > Unity Anonymity for the Group > Service Anonymity for the Whole > > I thank you in advance for your responses... On or off-list! > > Marsha F in VA > 4-4-86 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Send your photos by email in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if3 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. >
Dr. Bob & Bill W. From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2010 8:13:00 AM
Barefoot Bill -----Original Message----- From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marsha Finley Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:20 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Best Literature on Anonimity / Dr. Bob & Bill W.
meeting topic. There is also a side issue of taking notes in a meeting - seems that it makes some uncomfortable - and the anonymity implications).
pamphlet "Understanding Anonymity", and Bill W did an article or two... Wasn't there a statement by Dr. Bob too?
Recovery Anonymity for the Individual Unity Anonymity for the Group Service Anonymity for the Whole I thank you in advance for your responses... On or off-list! Marsha F in VA 4-4-86
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From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2010 10:39:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII *Page from inside a family bible dated mid 1800's, Butler, Pennsylvania USA jpg copy is attached to this email (The Pledge, by the way, was pretty much all the "program" that the Washingtonians had. Otherwise they had one drunk helping another....but no step work as we know it.)
*Why Sign the Pledge?* Because 1. Moderate drinking tends to drunkenness, while total abstinence directly from it. 2. While no one means to become a drunkard, there is said to be over six hundred thousand confirmed drunkards in our country to-day. 3. Intoxicating drinks can do no good as a beverage, and there are always safer and surer remedies to use in case of sickness. 4. The idea of moderation is full of deceit, and out estimate of the power of our own will is usually a mistaken one. 5. The drinking habit is the cause of the larger portion of the misery, poverty and crime in our land. 6. Both science and experience prove that even moderate drinking is injurious to health. 7. Eternal interests are often forfeited through drink, for the Bible declares that no drunkard shall enter heaven. 8. The Bible pronounces no blessing upon drinking, but many upon total abstinence. 9. It is easier to keep a pledge publicly, solemnly given than a simple resolution. 10. The pledge protects us from the solicitations of friends, and removes us from the temptations of the saloon. 11. Persons miscalculate their ability to drink in moderation, and become slaves to the drinking habit before they are aware of it. 12. Intemperance obstructs civilization, education, religion and every useful reform. We the undersigned solemnly promise BY THE HELP OF GOD to abstain from the use of all intoxicating drinks as a beverage. On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:18 PM, kevinr1211 > > > The following is from The Idiot, a Boston, MA newspaper Saturday March 14, > 1818 vol 1, no 10 > > Five reasons for not using Spirituous Liquors. > A Touchstone. > > 1) Because it poisons the blood and destroys the organs of digestion > 2) Because an ENEMY should be kept without the gate. > 3) Because I am in health and need no medicine. > 4) Because I have my senses and wish to keep them. > 5) Because I have a soul to be saved or lost. > > To the man whose mind is untouched by all or any of the above reasons, a > volume on the subject would be useless. He is unfitted for society; and the
> sooner he is in his grave the better- Better for society and for himself-For > society- Because of his example- For himself- because his further torment > will be less. > >
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6666. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Use of the word sponsor From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/17/2010 7:40:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII * I would like to add to this question. I have heard that the term "sponsor" as it was in general use in the US when Bill and Bob were getting started, carried with it an implied financial responsibility.
picking up their tab. For example, if my brother was to sponsor me at City Hospital, he would be paying for my treatment If this is correct, it would be a logical reason why the term "sponsor" does not appear in the first 164 pages. In time, the meaning of the word changed. John M South Burlington, Vermont * On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM, royslev > > > I have an early AA history question. Most of us are aware that the actual > term "sponsor" is not mentioned in the first 164 pages of our basic text > (the equivalent term "spiritual adviser" is used on page 63). > > Yet when listening to AA pioneer Clarence Snyder's recordings in which he > talks a lot about early program history when they were still going to Oxford
> Group meetings before 1939 he refers to Dr. Bob as his "sponsor." > > So my question is really for Oxford Group history experts: Was the term > sponsor a common Oxford Group usage? Was it a common term used by members of > the "alcoholic squadron" of the Akron or New York Oxford groupers even > though it was omitted by Bill in our basic text? > > When did the actual word sponsor come into common usage among AA members > (we all know it's on every other page of the 12&120 ? > > I've done a search for the discussion thread on the word "sponsor" in the > AA historylovers group but this is a more precise question. > > Thanks for feedback. > > Roy L. ( class of `78 ) > royslev@verizon.net royslev@yahoo.com > >
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