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in Austin Texas US. Link to their site, quite a lot of info on Ebby T found there also: *http://www.austinrecovery.org/AboutUs.aspx )
treated Bill Wilson. As Medical Director for Town's Hospital in New York, Silkworth detoxed Wilson on three separate occasions before he had his famed spiritual awakening in December 1934. * *It should be noted that (Silkworth) believed in "telling it like it is" both to his patients and their families. Following his third treatment, Silkworth sat down with Bill and Lois and conveyed the apparent "hopelessness" of Bill's alcoholism. But perhaps more important, was the contribution Silkworth made immediately following Wilson's "white light" or "hot flash” experience that occurred around day three of his detox. Shortly after
(Bill's) trip to the mountaintop, he rushed to his physician and asked, "Am I going insane?" Silkworth could have cautioned his patient that the belladonna treatment he was receiving" ... was apt to cause vibrant images and the mental capacity to focus on only one or two hallucinations at a time," according to his biographer Dale Mitchell. That's probably what most doctors would have done. But as a physician, as a humble man and a medical practitioner who believed that things happen for a reason and that the reasons for their happening are often obscured to us, Silkworth chose another path - a path for which we might all be forever grateful. He said to Bill that he wasn't going crazy and that, "whatever he had found, he'd better hold on to it." Wilson later said that had Silkworth discouraged his newfound relationship with "the world of spirit," he doubted if he would have recovered." *
> > What exactly was the belladonna treatment used on Bill W. at Towns > Hospital, when he came in for initial detoxing? > > Pass It On (p. 101) makes no mention of xanthoxylum (prickly ash) or > hyoscyamus (henbane) being included in the mixture. > > It says instead that alcoholics were given belladonna and castor oil (a > powerful laxative). > > Someone who remembered Towns Hospital < the
> effect of the liberal does of castor oil that the patients were given, > together with belladonna. The belladonna treatment at Towns had been > developed by Dr. Sam Lambert, a reputable New York physician, but it was the
> chief of staff, Dr. Silkworth, who would in time to come have the most > impact on the treatment of alcoholism.>> > > - - - - > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6565 > noted that some internet references claimed that Bill W. was given a > mixture of belladonna (deadly nightshade), xanthoxylum (prickly ash), and > hyoscyamus (henbane). > > But it has not been verified that Dr. Silkworth was using anything other > than belladonna by itself. > > > >
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6591. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Belladonna treatment From: Jerry Trowbridge . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2010 10:05:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/health/20drunk.html An Alcoholic’s Savior: God, Belladonna or Both? By HOWARD MARKEL, M.D. A version of this article appeared in print on April 20, 2010, on page D5 of the
New York edition of the New York Times In October 1909, Dr. Alexander Lambert boldly announced to a New York Times reporter that he had found a surefire cure for alcoholism and drug addiction. Even more astounding, he stated that the treatment required “less than five days.” The therapy consisted of an odd mixture of belladonna (deadly nightshade), along with the fluid extracts of xanthoxylum (prickly ash) and hyoscyamus (henbane). “The result is often so dramatic,” Lambert said, “that one hesitates to believe it possible.” Dr. Lambert was hardly a quack looking for headlines. He was widely known as Theodore Roosevelt’s personal physician, a professor of medicine at Cornell Medical College and an expert on alcoholism. Dr. Lambert had years of experience taking care of thousands of alcoholics at Bellevue Hospital’s infamous “drunk ward.” In fact, it was on this storied hospital ward where he experimented with the belladonna cure. He had obtained the recipe from a layman named Charles B. Towns, who, in turn,
claimed to have learned about it from a country doctor. In 1901, Mr. Towns opened a substance abuse hospital in New York City at 293 Central Park West, between 89th and 90th Streets. He needed Dr. Lambert because he lacked a medical
degree and, hence, professional credibility; Dr. Lambert needed Mr. Towns, because for all his medical knowledge, he had relatively little to offer his patients in terms of an effective treatment.
gladly paid exorbitant fees for a treatment that “successfully and completely removes the poison from the system and obliterates all craving for drugs and alcohol.” Because of Prohibition and the paradoxical rise in alcoholism in 1920,
the Towns Hospital restricted its practice to drying-out well-to-do alcoholics. Perhaps the most famous patient was William Griffith Wilson, better known as Bill W., the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. In the early 1930s, Mr. Wilson was consuming more than two quarts of rotgut whiskey daily, a definite health risk according to Alexander Lambert, who found in his copious research that consumers of cheap or bootlegged alcohol were far more prone to seizures, delirium tremens and brain damage than those who drank the expensive stuff. Between 1933 and 1934, at his wife’s urging and on his wealthy brother-in-law’s dime, Mr. Wilson was admitted to Towns four times. The cost upon admission was
steep: up to $350 (roughly $5,610 today) for a four- to five-day stay. Although Mr. Wilson made some progress in temporarily abstaining, he relapsed
after each of the first three hospitalizations. It was around this time that he reunited with a drinking buddy named Ebby Thacher. Unlike previous times, when they went out on wild binges, Mr. Thacher told him that he quit booze and was a member of the Oxford Group, a church-based association devoted to living on a higher spiritual plane guided by Christianity. As a demonstration, on Dec. 7, 1934, Mr. Thacher took Mr. Wilson to the Calvary Mission on East 23rd Street and Second Avenue, where the most drunken of New York’s Depression-era down-and-outers went to be fed and, it was hoped, “saved.”
There, his physician, William D. Silkworth, sedated him with chloral hydrate and paraldehyde, two agents guaranteed to help an agitated drunk to sleep, albeit lightly. This was especially important because the medical staff members had to wake patients every hour for at least two days to take the various pills, cathartics and tinctures of the belladonna regime. On the second or third day of his treatment, Mr. Wilson had his now famous spiritual awakening. Earlier that evening, Mr. Thacher had visited and tried to persuade Mr. Wilson to turn himself over to the care of a Christian deity who would liberate him from the ravages of alcohol. Hours later, depressed and delirious, Mr. Wilson cried out: “I’ll do anything! Anything at all! If there be
a God, let him show himself!” He then witnessed a blinding light and felt an ecstatic sense of freedom and peace. When Mr. Wilson told Dr. Silkworth about the event, the physician responded: “Something has happened to you I don’t understand. But you had better hang on to it.” Hang on to it he did. Indeed, this experience ultimately led Mr. Wilson to abstain from alcohol for the remaining 36 years of his life and to co-create the novel program whereby one alcoholic helps another through a commitment to absolute honesty and a belief that a higher power can help one achieve sobriety. Long before Mr. Towns touted his cure for alcoholism, belladonna (as well as henbane) was known to cause hallucinations. The hallucinations brought on by alcoholic delirium tremens tend to be a transmogrification of things the alcoholic is actually seeing or experiencing into a realm of sheer terror. A stray coil of rope may appear to be a poisonous cobra; a pattern on the wallpaper seems to transform into a poisonous spider. But they can also be tactile, like the sensation of insects crawling on the skin. Other hallucinations associated with alcohol withdrawal, or alcoholic hallucinosis, tend to be brief and involve hearing accusatory or threatening voices. Belladonna hallucinations, on the other hand, are typically based on recent discussions the person had but become far more fantastic. Many times, these visions appear to fulfill the wishes one might have had during the inspiring experience. Several decades after his 1909 announcement, Alexander Lambert took great pains
to distance himself from belladonna. Although Dr. Lambert found the detoxification process to be useful in the short run, he became discouraged by its toxicity, its propensity to induce hallucinations and the fact that many of those he treated at Bellevue relapsed and returned for subsequent treatment. Something more was needed, he declared, and that task fell to Bill Wilson and an
alcoholic physician from Ohio named Bob Smith, who created Alcoholics Anonymous in 1935.
products of a belladonna hallucination shortly after his discussions with his friend Ebby
Thacher? Could they have been incited by his alcohol withdrawal symptoms? Or did
something else happen to him that science cannot explain? In the end, millions
of people who have benefited from Alcoholics Anonymous and similar 12-step programs around the world would say that such pharmacological, physical or spiritual parsing hardly matters.
From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 9:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The exact treatment given to Bill and the specifics of the "Belladonna Treatment" can be found in "AA The Way it all Began" pp. 164-169 Regards, John Barton IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6593. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Belladonna treatment From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 9:27:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII See message # 1493 by Barefoot Bill http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1493 "detox 1930's style" Great question dude! I love it when people get me into research that I wouldn't
think of on my own. In "Pass It On" it says that: "When Bill described Towns as 'a nationally known hospital for the mental & physical rehabilitation of alcoholics,' he was not exaggerating, but someone else who remembered the hospital described it simply as a place where alcoholics were 'purged & puked.' The purging was most probably the effect of the liberal
doses of castor oil that the patients were given, together with belladonna. The
belladonna treatment at Towns had been developed by Dr. Sam Lambert, a reputable N.Y. physician...."
belladonna treatment, hydrotherapy & mild exercise. Dr. Lambert described the belladonna treatment as follows (this is from "AA - The Way It Began" by Bill Pittman, pages 164-166, 168): "Briefly stated, it consists in the hourly dosage of a mixture of belladonna, hyoscyamus & xanthoxylum. The mixture is given every hour, day & night, for about 50 hours. There is also given about every 12 hours a vigorous catharsis of C.C. pills & blue mass. At the end of the treatment, when it is evident that there are abundant bilious stools, castor oil is given to clean out thoroughly the intestinal tract. If you leave any of the ingredients out, the reaction of the cessation of desire is not as clear cut as when the 3 are mixed together. The amount necessary to give is judged by the physiologic action of the belladonna it contains. When the face becomes flush, the throat dry, & the pupils of the eyes dilated, you must cut down your mixture or cease giving it altogether, until these symptoms pass. You must, however, push this mixture until these symptoms appear, or you will not obtain a clear cut cessation of the
desire for the narcotic. The exact contents of each ingredient is below: Belladonna Specific: Tincture belladonnae (62. gm.) Fluidextracti xanthoryli. Fluidextracti hyoscyami (.31 gm.) Belladona - Atropa belladonna Deadly nightshade; a perennial herb with dark purple flowers & black berries. Leaves & root contain atropine & related alkaloids which are anticholinergic. It is a powerful excitant of the brain with side effects of delirium (wild & talkative), decreased secretion, & diplopia.
The dried bark or berries of prickly ash. Alkaloid of Hydrasts. Helps with chronic gastro-intestinal disturbances. Carminative & diaphoretic.
Henbane, hog's bean, insane root from the leaves & flowers of Hyoscyamus Niger. Contains 2 alkaloids, hyoscyamine & hyoscine. Nervous system sedative, anticholinergic, & antispasmodic. Close observation is necessary in treating the alcoholic in regard to the syptoms of the intoxication of belladonna, as alcoholics are sensitive to the effects of belladonna delirium. According to Lanbert, it is a less furious & less pugnacious delirium than that of alcohol. The patients are more persistent & more insistent in their ideas & more incisive in their speech concerning hallucinations. The hallucinations of alcohol are usually those of an occupation delirium; those of belladonna are not. The various hallucinations of alcohol follow each other so quickly that a man is busily occupied in observing them one after another. The belladonna delirium is apt to be confined to one or two ideas on which the patient is very insistent. If these symptoms of belladonna intoxication occur, of course, the specific must be discontinued; then beginning again with the original smaller dose. Towns believed the attending physician would find it most difficult to differentiate between alcoholic delirium & belladonna delirium. After this treatment, with its vigorous elimination, the patient would feel languid & relaxed, but the craving
for alcohol would have ceased." My comments: Bill W. had been detoxed 3 or 4 times that year (or more) so his detoxing was
from smaller periods of alcohol use, so it's possible that the doctors did not
have to give him the full treatment (mentioned above) as they would have if he had come in after years of uninterrupted alcohol abuse. In Bill's Story (Big Book pages 13 & 14), it says that Ebby told him again about the Oxford Group spiritual solution. After doing most of the work (what later became the 12 Steps) & fully accepting the Oxford Group solution, he THEN had what has been
affectionately referred to as "Bill W.'s Hot Flash" - a white light, life changing spiritual experience. He shared the experience with Dr. Silkworth on 12/14/34 so this happened 3 to 4 days AFTER he was admitted to the hospital & 1 to 2 days AFTER the belladonna treatment would have been over with IF used for the FULL 2 days, which it might not have been. Was the spiritual experience Bill W. had influenced by belladonna or inner surrender? Those against AA sometimes say it was drug induced & those with AA say it wasn't, depending upon the answer they are looking for. Either way, the experience changed his life, as well as millions of people now living the 12 Steps ever since.
(including belladonna) & alcohol when I had my spiritual experience AS THE RESULT of the EXACT same course of action that Bill W. followed, & COINCIDENTALLY I got the EXACT SAME results he did - a life changing spiritual experience. These are facts from MY experience & NOT speculation, so you know which way I lean on this issue. Thanks for the question, the research was interesting for me. I always thought
that the belladonna side effects I heard about were extreme but now I see that
they were less extreme than the D.T.'s. Just Love, Barefoot Bill IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6594. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: San Antonio International From: charlie brooke . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 11:19:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII If anyone is still needing a room I booked one double non smoking at the Holiday
Inn Express at the airport and would be glad to let it go or else I am going to cancel it. I have a room at the Hyatt Regency where I will be assisting at the Friends of Oz hospitality suite and members of this group should please stop by and say G'day. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6595. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: New Jersey Archives at the San Antonio International From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 9:21:00 AM
archives@nnjaa.org - - - - Message #6576 from Charles Grotts Re: AAHL in San Antonio There's a mixup with the contact person for the NJ Archives. I have nothing to do with that. I will be on the panel "AA in Cyberspace: Carrying the Message," Friday at 3:30. Best wishes, Charles L. Grotts, Los Angeles IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6596. . . . . . . . . . . . Article by Gerald Heard From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2010 11:46:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I could not find a copy of Fortnight, December 1954 which published an article
by Gerald Heard on Ad Hoc Churches. This magazine was published in CA and is not
to be confused with the Irish magazine also titled Fortnight. The AA Grapevine published an article by Gerald Heard titled The Search For Ecstasy in the May 1958 issue. In this article Heard explores what he terms "ad hoc churches." Hope this helps. Jim
++++Message 6597. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AAHL get together in S.A TX. Per post 5598 From: Cherie'' H. . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 10:33:00 AM
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5598 Thanks Shakey Mike, I appreciate all the hard work you did to make this happen
for members of AAHL. I am going to do my very best to be in the GSO Archives room during the time you have secured. I think a good reason for this reunion to happen there instead of one of the AA Online rooms is probably best for people who are with us that have no interest in online AA (OMG there are people like that) Someone coming with me does not even like email. But she would enjoy the GSO archives. We can also have a second meet in the AAOnline suite. Or a third meet, or fourth even. I do not think we are limited on our meets. If a couple of particular people wish to be SURE to meet up, they can plan their meet in any of the locations. It is getting so close, final preparations have begun. I am sure the host committee in San Antonio are going crazy right about now, and loving every minute of it.
Cherie'
Warren, MI DOS 04/26/01 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6598. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: Dr. Strecker From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2010 10:38:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Francis T Chambers is the co Author with Dr Strecker of Alcohol-One Mans Meat. Chambers was a success from the Peabody Method which drew from the Emmanuel Movement begun by Elwood Worcester. Chambers retired after being a therapist for many years and resettled I believe in Ireland. There are many similarities between the Peabody method, the Emmanuael movement and Streckers' therapy. Has anyone done a review of these three methods to stop drinking? The Emmanuel Movement was highly spiritual and the other two were not.
Yours, Shakey Mike Gwirtz Philadelphia, PA C U n SA TX - - - - In a message dated 6/4/2010 7:09:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cm53@earthlink.net writes: In 1913, Dr. Edward A. Strecker joined the hospital as an assistant physician. Over his 46 years of service, he became a preeminent author and teacher of psychiatry. In 1920, Dr. Strecker established one of the first psychiatric outpatient community clinics in the world at Pennsylvania Hospital's 8th and Spruce Street campus.
first to insist that alcoholism be treated as a disease, not a moral failing. In 1935, Pennsylvania Hospital's West Philadelphia department was the first psychiatric institution to hire a recovering person as an addiction counselor. Dr. Strecker and his former alcoholic patient, Francis Chambers, Jr., developed the "dual therapy" approach for alcoholics, combining abstinence and psychological counseling. The Institute's substance abuse unit was named "The Strecker Program" in his honor; in 1989 it was named "Treatment Center of the Year" by the American Council on Alcoholism. In Service, Cindy Miller IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6599. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Why was Fitz''s alcoholic problem so complex? From: Dov . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2010 9:34:00 AM
to me that the following sentences from "We Agnostics", first paragraph on p.56 in the Big Book describing him, explain the complexity of his case, "Our friend was a minister's son. He attended church school, where he became rebellious at what he thought an overdose of religious education. For years thereafter he was dogged by trouble and frustration. Business failure, insanity, fatal illness, suicide -- these calamities in his immediate family embittered and depressed him. Post-war disillusionment, ever more serious alcoholism, impending mental and physical collapse, brought him to the point to self-destruction."
"martinholmes76@..." > > In the Big Book, in the Doctor's Opinion (p. xxxi) it says "this man's alcoholic problem was so complex". Why was his problem so complex? > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6600. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: How was the Daily Reflections book written and put together? From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2010 11:13:00 PM
Chuck Parkhurst, and Lynn Sawyer - - - - From: Tom Hickcox (cometkazie1 at cox.net) Patricia, What would be the time frame here? 1986-87 for the initial call for contributions? Tommy - - - - Referring to Message #6589 from Patricia (pdixonrae at yahoo.com) I was my home group's GSR at the beginning of the project which created Daily
Reflections. Each group was notified by their GSR that you could submit comments
or stories and they would be considered by the panel to be used in the publication. - - - - From: "Chuck Parkhurst" (ineedpage63 at cox.net) Members After what I have experienced as a home group member, a GSR, a DCM and other areas of service, I find the statement below dubious, at best: "Each group was notified by their GSR" Does anyone have more detailed information about the writing and content of Daily Reflections? In Service with Gratitude, Chuck Parkhurst - - - - From: Lynn Sawyer (sawyer7952 at yahoo.com) Hello, Just an idea: Has anyone spoken to or written to, the GSO in N.Y. abt. this? Seems to me that I heard that there was solicitation for sharings, and they may
have been connected............ Lynn S.
Sacramento, California IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6601. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How was the Daily Reflections book written and put together? From: pvttimt@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 4:57:00 PM
out
at that time asking for AA members to submit quotes chosen from AA literature. With each quote was sent a comment by the member choosing the quote concerning the subject matter in the quote. All the submissions were reviewed and the book
was assembled. Each person who submitted a piece that was accepted got a free
copy of the Daily Reflections. As it happens, I was one of those persons lucky
enough to have one accepted, and my piece was put in the book for February 2.
From My recollection is that in the late 80's there came out a request for members to write up to 125 words on a step, tradition or another A.A. topic and send it back to AAWS. I believe the project was begun at the initiation of the delegates and I think they formed part of the reviewing/editing committee. At the time we had "As Bill Sees It," The 24 Hour book, and a variety of non A.A. daily spiritual readers available like the Upper Room. As Bill Sees It has less than
365 pages ( but more than enough separate thoughts), yet it was the desire of the delegates to have a daily reader that was by and for A.A. members. As a member I liked the idea and have used it routinely since then in my home group as the way to start the discussion and at my home as well. Of course Al Anon Family group has their own and there are a number of good daily meditation books
now available. But back then it was slim pickin's for members. So it met a true
need of A.A. members to have their own daily reader. I have great respect for
the history and value of the 24 Hour Book, but prefer the style of Reflections. Marion O. R. DOS 9/17/85 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6602. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Stepper, two hatter, two stepper, 13 stepping From: James R . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2010 11:52:00 PM
the
fellowship (did Step 1) who immediately plunges into outreach work (Step 12) without having done any of the steps in between. A variant on this I've heard is "the AA waltz" - someone who does the first 3 Steps over and over but is afraid to proceed to Steps 4 and 5. Hence the waltz - "one two three, one two three, one two three" "13th Stepping" is using the fellowship as a dating service, a place to find a new girl- or boyfriend. James IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6603. . . . . . . . . . . . Prayer -- fools who came to scoff From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 11:56:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Twelve and Twelve, Step Eleven: 'It has been well said that 'almost the only scoffers at prayer are those who never tried enough'." Well said by whom? The nearest reference I can find is this line in the poem The Deserted Village by 18th century Irish writer Oliver Goldsmith: "Fools who came to scoff remained to pray."
From the moderator GC: Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pp. 96-97: "We well remember how something deep inside us kept rebelling against the idea of bowing before any God. Many of us had strong logic, too, which 'proved' there was no God whatever. What about all the accidents, sickness, cruelty, and injustice in the world? What about all those unhappy lives which were the direct result of unfortunate birth and uncontrollable circumstances? Surely there could be no justice in this scheme of things, and therefore no God at all .... We liked A.A. all right, and were quick to say that it had done miracles. But we
recoiled from meditation and prayer as obstinately as the scientist who refused
to perform a certain experiment lest it prove his pet theory wrong. Of course
we finally did experiment, and when unexpected results followed, we felt different; in fact we knew different; and so we were sold on meditation and prayer. And that, we have found, can happen to anybody who tries. It has been well said that 'almost the only scoffers at prayer are those who never tried it enough.'"
where
Dr. Silkworth says: "I earnestly advise every alcoholic to read this book through, and though perhaps he came to scoff, he may remain to pray."
York, Cleveland, Akron From: PHILIP DIXON . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/5/2010 2:45:00 PM
stepper, 13 stepping From: Dougbert . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2010 6:51:00 PM
Who,
What, When, Where, and Why is my goal. Somebody at the convention should have the answer??? Dougbert - - - - Message #6602 from James R Stepper and Two-Hatter I don't recognize. In my part of the world (South Texas), a Two-Stepper is someone very new to the
fellowship (did Step 1) who immediately plunges into outreach work (Step 12) without having done any of the steps in between. A variant on this I've heard is "the AA waltz" - someone who does the first 3 Steps over and over but is afraid to proceed to Steps 4 and 5. Hence the waltz - "one two three, one two three, one two three" "13th Stepping" is using the fellowship as a dating service, a place to find a new girl- or boyfriend. James IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6606. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 14th National Archives Workshop: Macon, Georgia, Sept. 23-26 From: Your . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/31/2010 10:13:00 AM
CD's
as they are recorded. I say almost always because the only thing that is always
is God. Yours in Love and service, David in Daytona - - - - From GC the moderator: The Workshop flyer at http://aanationalarchivesworkshop.com/ gives as the Workshop's contact person: Chair Ross McC: (wrmcc at winstream.net) P.O. Box 170, Cornelia, Georgia 39531
the information on how to contact the outfit that will be recording all the talks. You will be able to obtain CD's of any of the talks which you want, directly from them.
servicemen on the European continent to post on the AAHistoryLovers, if it's not too long?
in reading it. - - - - --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Dolores" > > Hi, thanks for the info on the Archives workshop. > > As I live in Europe, I won't have a chance to get to the workshop and was wondering if there will be any written material or tape or such on the subject
that I could receive. I am willing to send the money to pay for the cost incurred in doing this. > > I have written up the history of US servicemen on the European continent. I would like to learn if I did it ok and how i could add to it or wharever. > > Yours in AA, Dolores > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6607. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How was the Daily Reflections book written and put together? From: tomper87 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2010 9:27:00 PM
of Alcoholics Anonymous Literature Committee It was recommended that: 1986 "In order to determine the need for a daily reflections book, the Conference members ask A.A. members in their areas and report the findings to the G.S.O. literature coordinator by January 1, 1987, for consideration by the 1987 Conference." 1987 "The trustees' Literature Committee undertake development of a daily reflections book based on individual A. A.'s (including Bill W.'s) sharing based on the Traditions and Steps, and that a progress report be submitted to the 1988 Conference Literature Committee." 1988 "Work continue on the Daily Reflections Book and that a request by made for additional manuscripts to be submitted from the Fellowship on any Step, Tradition, or writings by Bill W. coordinated through each delegate with a progress report to by presented at the 1989 Conference." 1989 "A complete manuscript of Daily Reflections be prepared for review by the 1990 Conference Literature Committee because of the good response to the appeals for additional material from the Fellowship."
following specific changes: a. All references to "we" be changed to "I". b. The page for June 17 delete the words "(Psalm 130)" from line 1 of the reflection. c. There be an addition of a page for February 29; that page to be the "alternate" for March entitled "True Tolerance". d. That these words by imprinted on the cover of the book: "This is a book of reflections by A.A. members for A.A. members." 1991 "The Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions by added to Daily Reflections at the time of the next printing." "The text of the proposed reflection titled "One A.A. Miracle" be substituted for the present February 29th entry in Daily Reflections at the next printing, because of the duplication of entries in the current printing." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6608. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Stepper, two hatter, two stepper, 13 stepping From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2010 10:49:00 PM
while skipping the ones in between. John M IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6609. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: San Antonio International From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2010 10:45:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII *I also have a room reservation which I need to cancel... If anyone can use it, please let me know in next week or so Is out toward the airport and maybe 15-20 mins from convention I have other accommodations in San Antonio Thanks John M
(contact.johnmoore at gmail.com) Courtyard San Antonio Medical Center 8585 Marriott Drive San Antonio, Texas 78229
* * Check-in: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 (04:00 PM) Check-out: Monday, July 5, 2010 (12:00 PM) Room type: Guest room, 2 Double Number of rooms: 1 Guests per room: 2 Special request(s): Extra Towels, Request Noted High Floor Room, Request Noted Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - Monday, July 5, 2010 5 nights Cost per night per room (USD) 179.00 Total for stay (for all rooms) - 1,044.91 * * IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6610. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Stepper, two hatter, two stepper, 13 stepping From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2010 10:51:00 PM
p. 14 (speaking about Tradition 6): "...A.A. members employed by outside agencies 'wear two hats'— but Tradition Six cautions any such members against wearing both at once! On the job, they may be alcoholism counselors; they are not 'A.A. counselors.' At meetings they're just A.A.'s, not alcoholism experts."
-cindy miller IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6611. . . . . . . . . . . . Long Term Timers From: Maria Orozco . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2010 9:20:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII We have a Long Term Timer that will be 61 years sobriety here in Ontario, Southern California. Are there any more Long Term Timers of over 60 years, Please let me know. Thank you.
stepper, 13 stepping From: Lynn Sawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2010 3:07:00 AM
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unsuspecting female experiences relapse when this happens. But longtime-sober females are not exempt from this practice either; 'been there, done that.' Thank my God that my amends were accepted, and the party remained sober. Thanks for letting me share.
alcoholic grateful to be sober TODAY DOS=10/22/79 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6613. . . . . . . . . . . . Smithsonian Institution exhibit on Sister Ignatia From: Fiona Dodd . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/9/2010 2:09:00 AM
Road in Cleveland, Ohio's Beachwood suburb] By Colette M. Jenkins, religion writer for the Akron Beacon Journal
schools, hospitals and other institutions in their quest to work for peace and social justice opens Sunday at the Maltz Museum of Jewish Heritage, 2929 Richmond Road in Beachwood, [Ohio 44122]. The exhibit, Women & Spirit: Catholic Sisters in America, includes rare artifacts, photographs, video and first-person accounts. It is a project of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, an association of the leaders of congregations of Catholic women in the United States. Its local display will be supplemented with material that tells the story of religious women in Northeast Ohio. The national exhibit, which comes to Cleveland from the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., includes stories of two area nuns: Sister Ignatia Gavin, who worked with Alcoholics Anonymous cofounder Dr. Bob Smith to admit the first alcoholic patient to St. Thomas Hospital in 1935 in Akron (making the hospital the first in the world to treat alcoholism as a medical condition) and Sister Dorothy Kazel, a Cleveland native, who was murdered in 1980 in El Salvador along with two other nuns and a laywoman (all of whom were part of a Catholic Diocese of Cleveland mission team). The museum is open 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday; 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. Wednesday and noon to 5 p.m. Saturday. It is closed on Monday. Admission is $12, $10 for seniors 60 and older, and $5 for children 5 to 11. Children younger than 5 are admitted free. Free parking is available adjacent to the museum.
lectures, films and conversations about equality, faith and American history. For more information, call 216-593-0575 or go to http://www.maltzmuseum.org Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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