(royslev at yahoo.com)
One thing is for sure, a 50/50 vote is NOT substantial unanimity. Such a
motion which might be devisive is usally postponed or tabled. A group
conscience by the way, is not exactly the final vote, but the sounding of
all
opinions, making sure the "minority opinion" is heard. The vote is the final
result of sounding out the group conscience. In an important vote to the
format
or future of a group often a long time is taken to make sure most opinions
are
heard from almost all members. On trivial issues often we limit debate to
"three pros" "three cons" etc. each one has one minute in the interest of
saving
time.
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++++Message 6548. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W. quote on purpose of an AA
meeting
From: gbaa487 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/23/2010 7:11:00 PM
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I found the following quote attributed to Bill W.
Where can it be found?
"Sobriety, freedom from alcohol through the teaching
and practicing of the 12 Steps, is the sole purpose
of an AA group."
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++++Message 6549. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W. quote on purpose of an
AA meeting
From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 9:10:00 PM
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With 1 minute of additional research, IT is attributed to Bill W. in a
Grapevine article in 1958. I do not know which Grapevine issue.
Jim
On 5/23/2010 6:11 PM, gbaa487 wrote:
>
> I found the following quote attributed to Bill W.
> Where can it be found?
>
> "Sobriety, freedom from alcohol through the teaching
> and practicing of the 12 Steps, is the sole purpose
> of an AA group."
>
>
>
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++++Message 6550. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W. quote on purpose of an
AA meeting
From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 9:08:00 PM
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I am not sure about this quote being attributed to Bill W., but it is
contained in the pamphlet 'Problems Other Than Alcohol' on the 4th page,
including the front cover when counting. This pamphlet can be found at:
http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-35_ProOtherThanAlcohol1.pdf
Jim
On 5/23/2010 6:11 PM, gbaa487 wrote:
> freedom from alcohol through the teaching
> and practicing of the 12 Steps
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++++Message 6551. . . . . . . . . . . . Was Silkworth a religious man?
From: martinholmes76@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 5:05:00 AM
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Was Dr. Silkworth a religious man?
--from the Barking Big Book Study Saturday night
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++++Message 6552. . . . . . . . . . . . Belladonna treatment and
hydrotherapy
From: martinholmes76@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 5:02:00 AM
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In Bill's story he mentions the Belladonna
treatment and Hydrotherapy.
What are these treatments?
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++++Message 6553. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Searching for Letter to
Alcoholic Foundation by Bill McI., 1946
From: SONJA THOMASON . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 6:33:00 PM
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Searching for Letter to Alcoholic Foundation by Bill McI., 1946
Hi, all,
I wrote in a little while ago asking about a letter written back in 1946
from
the Toronto Secretary to Bobbie in New York. I would like to find a reliable
copy of the letter online - I shouldn't have used the word "original"!!
We're
running a copy of it in our newsletter and there are a couple of things in
it
I'd like to check in it. Here's the letter below. But, I'd like to see it
from an online source (I think there are a couple of mistakes in this
version
below which I don't believe would be on the "original"). That was all I
meant
when I used that word "original". Can anyone help me find this online. I
don't really know where to start. Many thanks.
Toronto
A.A.
Central Group
ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS
1170 Yonge St.
March 20, 1946
Phone MI-9951
Mrs. Margaret B.
National Headquarters
Alcoholics Anonymous
New York, NY
Dear Bobbie:
I realize that I am reporting in rather late but A.A. has been moving very
rapidly here since the first of the year and moving in the right direction.
We
started off with our New Year's party which was a grand success and quite
different from a year previous when four of us sat in a morgue like
atmosphere
drinking ginger ale and wondering if it was worth it. This year we had well
over
100 happy, laughing sober people. Truly a tribute to the way A.A. works.
A second group had formed before Christmas and their method of leaving had
left
rather a bitter taste. I am very glad to be able to say that most of that
bitterness and resentment has gone and die two groups are constantly
movingcloser together. Later we are going to have an East End Group and
this,
I am sure, will have the hearty support of both groups and might be the weld
needed to join all Toronto groups in the proper A.A. spirit. As you already
know a small but solid group has started in Hamilton . A week ago, we
chartered
a bus and about 22 went over for their meeting. There was a member from
Dundas ,
Ontario and one from Simcoe, a good indication of how A.A. is getting into
even
the towns and villages around us. As you can see, we also modernized our
stationery. Another reason for the delay is I wanted to use the new letter
(or
is that just another alibi). Also enclosed find our new pamphlet and
enclosure
we are using for mailing and the
members to carry in their pockets. We have a number of other groups send us
their pamphlets on A.A. and are trying to have 6 or so different kinds on
hand
to keep the new man interested and give him something to carry with him
Would
appreciate it greatly if you could send us a list of books which we could
use as
suggested reading. At present "Remember September" and the "Glass
Crutch" is going the rounds but would like to get something with more meat
in
it. As the member progresses he is reaching for something more than
sobriety.
To meet this need, we would like to stock our library with those that have
proven help/al. This Sunday, March 24th we are holding our 3rd Anniversary
Meeting at the Knights of Columbus Hall from 3 p.m.until midnight. A buffet
supper from 5-6 and the meeting to start at 7 p.m.with Clarence Snyder of
Cleveland, Ohioas guest speaker. I am enclosing a clipping of our
advertisement.
We had this in both evening papers
today and in the morning paper tomorrow the 21st. This get to-gether should
do a lot to unify the various groups and comes at a very opportune time as
we
are trying to obtain some hospitalized plan for alcoholics. There has been a
great deal of pressure put on the Provincial Government by the Temperance
Groups
(note clippings also our Dr. Little's name in connection with their cause).
This publicity and show of strength should help our appeal for a better deal
for
the alcoholic.
Could your office forward us any State legislation concerning methods of
hospitalizing alcoholics, such as Alabama and Connecticut ? Any information
or
definite form of procedure in use would help us greatly. Medicine is still
not
too interested in us here in Canada .
However; that too will come. We have a great many doctors who are
sympathetic
toward our work and several who are going all out for us. I am enclosing
various clippings pertaining to A.A. since the first of the year. We haven't
selected a reporter for the Grapevine but will in the near future. I might
say
our Women's Group under Mrs. P. is really doing a fine job. They run their
own
show but have the willing help of both men's groups if they need it. This is
all the news for the present. To date we have received n letter regarding
our
donation to the National Fund. Do we get that later? I wondered if it had
been
overlooked ill die turmoil caused by renovating the club rooms.
With very best regards to yourself and Bill and all New York AA from
Toronto.
Sincerely,
Bill McI (Secretary)
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++++Message 6554. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Akron honors Dr. Bob by
re-naming part of Olive Street
From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 6:02:00 PM
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From Cindy Miller, CloydG, Bob and Judy Schultz, and Laurie Andrews
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Message #6537 from "Arthur S" (arthur.s at live.com)
said:
"I know this is being done with the best of intentions but if Dr Bob made
anything clear prior to his death it was that he did not want this kind of
recognition. It seems that more and more, the respect for AA's anonymity
Traditions are either dissolving or being trivialized (always with the best
of
intentions of course)."
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From: Cindy Miller (cm53 at earthlink.net)
Here, here!
cindy miller
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From: "CloydG" (cloydg449 at sbcglobal.net)
Isn't it a bit awkward to be a celebrity in an anonymous program? I mean, I
go
to a lot of meetings inside of and outside of my home town. I hear people
introduce themselves by first and last names. A lot say that we're only
anonymous outside of AA, but are we? The traditions do not mention that so I
guess my question is Author, have I missed something?
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From: bsdds@comcast.net (bsdds at comcast.net)
In my opinion, this is out of respect and reverence and posthumously. I am
not
for it or against it but to me, its more wothwhile than a "movie."
Bob and Judy Schultz
101A Melbourne Park Circle
Charlottesville, Virginia 22901-3924
434-295-7257
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From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews (jennylaurie1 at
hotmail.com)
PS: And of course Bill W always declined honours for himself too.
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++++Message 6555. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W. quote on purpose of an
AA meeting
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 9:14:00 PM
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From M.J. Johnson, Tom Hickcox, Laurence Holbrook, Rotax Steve, Bob
Stonebraker,
Jay Lawyer, Lester Gother, Byron Bateman, Jason Clemons, Jim Myers, Charles
Knapp, and glhughes227
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Original message #6548 from (gbaa487 at yahoo.com)
said:
> I found the following quote attributed to Bill W.
> Where can it be found?
>
> "Sobriety, freedom from alcohol through the teaching
> and practicing of the 12 Steps, is the sole purpose
> of an AA group."
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From: "M.J. Johnson" (threeeyedtoad at gmail.com)
This seems to be inaccurate. Searching the Grapevine Digital Archive
just for the phrase "teaching and practicing" among all issues from the
1950s yields no results. Searching for the phrase "teaching and practicing
of the 12 Steps" (and "Twelve Steps") does not appear anywhere in the
Grapevine archives.
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From: Tom Hickcox (cometkazie1 at cox.net)
As Bill Sees It, p. 79, quoted from a letter dated 1966.
As given, the quote is slightly different, "This is why sobriety -
freedom from alcohol - through the teaching and practice of
A.A.'s 12 Steps, is the sole purpose of the group."
Hyphens rather than commas, and "practice" rather than
"practicing" make it not an exact quote.
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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From: "Laurence Holbrook" (email at
LaurenceHolbrook.com)
Also from: From: "Rotax Steve" (gallery5 at
mindspring.com)
As Bill Sees It [The A.A. Way of Life], Article 79 "Whose Responsibility."
The reference listed is "letter 1966."
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From: "Robert Stonebraker" (rstonebraker212 at
comcast.net)
also from "Jay Lawyer" (ejlawyer at midtel.net)
and "lester gother" (lgother at optonline.net)
Bill Wilson wrote this sentence in a small pamphlet titled, "Problems Other
Than Alcohol, (excerpts)," in 1958. The catalogue number is F-8. GSO
will send 50 of these free with an order, if requested.
Bob S.
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From: "Byron Bateman" (byronbateman at
hotmail.com)
At the start of the narrative, underneath the inside title, it says it is
"By
Bill." Also, the small excerpt from that pamphlet credits Bill on the front
page. The copyright is February 1958.
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From: Jason Clemons (jasonrclemons at gmail.com)
*Problems Other Than Alcohol:
What Can Be Done About Them?*
by Bill W. -- A.A. Grapevine, February, 1958
One way to find the article is
http://www.barefootsworld.net/aa-problemsother.html
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From: Jim Myers (jim.myers56 at yahoo.com)
Doing a quick search on silkworth.net, I was able to find the 1958 Grapevine
article written by Bill Wilson titled, "Problems Other Than Alcohol: What
Can Be
Done About Them?"
Here is the article in pdf format:
http://www.silkworth.net/pdfBillW/Problems-Other-Than-Alcohol-Feb-1958.pdf
Look to the 4th column, 2nd paragraph.
Yours in service,
Jim M,
http://www.silkworth.net/
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From: Charles Knapp (cpknapp at yahoo.com)
"Sobriety -- freedom from alcohol -- through the teaching and practice of
the
Twelve Steps, is the sole purpose of an A.A. group," Bill wrote this in the
February 1958 issue of the A.A. Grapevine.
The AA Grapevine Digital Archives can find just about any quote of Bill W.
Charles from Wisconsin
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From: glhughes227@yahoo.com (glhughes227 at yahoo.com)
Also from: From: "planternva2000"
(planternva2000
at
yahoo.com)
It in Language of the Heart, p. 223, in the article Problems Other Than
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