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 This brings me to the point, that some years back, I attempted to do just that, which Mike has already pointed out - documenting Global localized AA histories the best I could at the time when I began this undertaking. A member of AAHL known as "t" was helping me do this at the time. "t" also supplied me with much
more information regarding AA history as well, some of which, is still not on silkworth.net yet.  The pages to list the Global localized AA histories has already been created on silkworth.net some years back and for the most part, there is very little Global localized AA histories listed on these pages, though I have, I believe, created pages for just about every Country in the World. I believe these pages will have to be updated (nothing major I hope) in order to move forward with such a large project as listing the Global localized AA histories. But I believe it can be done with the participation of many, including members of AAHL - in spreading the word about this project, searching, researching, locating such AA histories worldwide, and sending them to Mike, Mitchell or myself to be included on silkworth.net's, "The Global Map Listing." . There are pages to help assist folks in preparing their localized AA history as well. I did not put together or write these pages, nor do I take any credit for its content, rather I found the information somewhere on the internet some years back and found this information useful in preparing one's local AA history. This page can be found here: http://www.silkworth.net/image_map/history_project.html, as well as a link to this page from The Global Map Listing index page.  Gathering Worldwide localized AA history has been a dream of mine for some years now, making such histories accessible from a single location on the World Wide Web - silkworth.net - and eventually adding more sophisticated software to be able to translate the entire website into many different languages. Though I have to admit, it hasn't had much attention in a few years.  So, I second that which Mike mentioned to you - having as much participation by you and anyone else you know who may be interested in also participating in this project - hopefully, on a Global scale. To view the current status of, "The Global Map Listing," follow this link, http://www.silkworth.net/image_map/world.html, and then click anywhere on the map selecting a country or region of the map. You will then get an idea of how it is currently set up. Any suggestions on your part, to improve upon what has been done so far, will be accepted with much gratitude!  Mike (Shakey) and myself will be working together on silkworth.net. Mitchell K. has also expressed his willingness to also help with silkworth.net. Please feel free to contact us about this AA history project. Â
Jim M,
http://www.silkworth.net/ ======================================================== "Let us also remember to guard that erring member - the tongue, and if we must use it, let's use it with kindness and consideration and tolerance." -Dr. Bob, Sunday, July 30, 1950 http://silkworth.net/aahistory/drbob_farewell.html ================= IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6562. . . . . . . . . . . . San Antonio: History of AA in New Jersey
From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/27/2010 11:20:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 1-2:30 PM, Sat. July 3, Bonham Room in the Grand Hyatt -- presentation on the History of AA in New Jersey
44/45 the New Jersey Archives Committees of both Northern New Jersey, Area 44 (Joint Committee Area 44 and NNJ Intergroup) and Southern New Jersey, Area 45 will be hosting a hospitality suite at the Grand Hyatt in the Bonham Room from Thursday July 1st through Saturday July 3rd. We will have the New Jersey Archives Displays out for all to see and will have beverages, snacks, souvenir
buttons and bookmarks to mark the occasion. On Sat July 3rd from 1-2:30 PM the committee and the area archivist will give a
presentation on the History of AA in New Jersey and we invite you all to attend.
God Bless John B. Area 44 History & Archives Chair IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6563. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Shakey Mike in India and Dr. Strecker
From: bruceken@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/28/2010 12:52:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII When you are ready to work on the history of AA in various countries, I may be able to help with the Soviet Union, China, and Cuba. As a traveler with the San Francisco based "Creating a Sober World" and some independent groups, I joined others in carrying the message to those three countries. I also plan to be in San Antonio and if we have a get-together there, perhaps we can chat! I'm 81 years old so I don't recommend waiting too long!!! The New York Archives, however, have quite a few of the documents associated with those trips. Bruce K.
San Francisco IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6564. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: Back issues of Markings and Box 459
From: Jim Myers . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/26/2010 2:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I, too, would like to find as many as possible, electonic back issues of Box 4-5-9 prior to VOL. 47, No. 5/ OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 2001. I would be most greatful to those of you who have electronic copies stored on your computers or CD's for sending me a copy of any you may have. Your's in service, Jim M,
http://www.silkworth.net/ ======================================================== "Let us also remember to guard that erring member - the tongue, and if we must use it, let's use it with kindness and consideration and tolerance." -Dr. Bob, Sunday, July 30, 1950 http://silkworth.net/aahistory/drbob_farewell.html ================= --- On Mon, 5/24/10, M.J. Johnson From: M.J. Johnson Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Back issues of Markings and Box 459 To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:22 PM Â Point to note: Back issues of "Markings" on aa.org only go back to 1997, which is volume 17 of that publication. Only volume 24 (2004) through present are sequentially represented.
issues not hosted on aa.org that folks may be able to point me to. Much obliged, - M.J. - - - - On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Cindy Miller > > Every issue of "Markings" is on-line on the AA > Website, and I believe, so are the last 10 years > of Box 459.... >
hydrotherapy From: bevflk@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/26/2010 3:28:00 PM
The name is Beverly. It refers to the sedative and antispasmodic drug Belladonna. Formerly used to relieve some of the effects of alcohol withdrawal. I hope this helps you out. - - - - From Glenn C. According to the internet, in the belladonna treatment, the patient was given a
mixture of belladonna (deadly nightshade), xanthoxylum (prickly ash), and hyoscyamus (henbane). But statements about this on the internet are not totally dependable. I wish that someone who was a real expert (like Bill White) could tell us whether this was the mixture actually used by Dr. Silkworth at Townes Hospital. It was supposed to help prevent some of the worst effects of delerium tremens
when alcoholics were being detoxed. Tranquillizers are used for detoxing instead in modern alcoholism treatment centers.
Turkish bath to "sweat out" the alcohol was sometimes practiced at that period.
Wealthy people would also go to soak in hot baths at spas like the one in French
Lick, Indiana, and in many similar spas in the U.S. and Europe. At the other extreme, when Father Ralph Pfau ("Father John Doe" of the Golden
Books) was sent to a mental institution at one point during his active alcoholism, they wrapped him up in a blanket and then kept the blanket continually soaked in cold water until his body temperature dropped so low that
he became nearly comatose. This (like running electrical shocks through the brain, which they did to him at another mental institution) was a way of calming mental patients down. Tranquillizers and antipsychotics like Thorazine (chlorpromazine) are used instead at modern mental institutions and alcoholism treatment centers. But again, we need a real expert (like Bill White) to tell us what kind of hydrotherapy was actually used for treating alcoholics at Townes Hospital. Do NOT trust everything that appears on the internet. - - - - In a message dated 5/26/2010 12:30:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > In Bill's story he mentions the Belladonna treatment and Hydrotherapy. > > What are these treatments? > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6566. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Searching for Letter to Alcoholic Foundation by Bill McI., 1946 From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/26/2010 9:15:00 PM
comcast.net) Dear Sonja, The letter was written and mailed to the Alcoholic Foundation, so your place to start is the AA Archives at GSO, of course. Bobbie would have replied within the week in 1946; the best practices of archival correspondence has the initial letter and its reply. Contact (CALL) the General Service Office and ask to speak with Michelle Mirza,
Archives Director. Explain your search and verification request, and if Michelle can't assist you
one of the assistants or interns may be able to help. Follow up your request with a written letter and the text of what you are asking
to verify. Remember a few things: 1) The AA Archives is within its rights to ask you what your purpose and subsequent action might be. 2) You will not receive a photocopy of Bill McI.'s letter but you might receive a photocopy of Bobbie's reply if her reply is used for AA historical information.
Where did you say the initial source was? 4) Bill McI.'s letter is a report. Bobbie would be writing her reply as AF Staff to the Toronto Group and just might have follow-up news, encouragement, and/or questions in her letter. 5) The details in the letter can be checked against the original as you READ IT to one of the Archives Staff. Ask if this is possible. 6) Call GSO around mid-morning 10:30 EDT and keep trying until you speak to one of Archives staff. Hope this helps you---I doubt that "online" records will come your way. Let us know what happens, and good luck! Yours in fellowship, Rick, Illinois - - - - From: "Joseph HerronJr." at sbcglobal.net) Sonja, Hi, Maybe I can help you out on this subject. You can reach the GSO Archivist, Michelle Miza (Non-Alcoholic) at mizam@aa.org or archives@aa.org and submit your
request about this particular letter to her and the staff and they will be happy
to research it for you. Joseph H. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6567. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Akron honors Dr. Bob by re-naming part of Olive Street From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/29/2010 5:07:00 PM
It was my understanding that this honor was being bestowed on him not due to his role as an A.A. co-founder, but due to his medical work in the only ward in Ohio to treat alcoholism as a disease (at that time). I think Dr. Bob was quite pleased, even boasting of having treated over 5000 patients. Not an anonymity issue.
wrong street. In his passing, I interpreted his last remarks as to not make a big deal about
his role as a co-founder, he did not want this kind of recognition. Just keep
it simple. Dr Bob's not here to ask, but I think he would be please and punch about the re-naming of Olive Street and horrified about "Founders Day" And yet, as I write this someone is preparing to make the trek to Ohio to see the location of a miracle, put yet another rock on his headstone, not realizing the real miracle is contained in the simple instructions left behind in a rather large blue book.
Portion of Olive St. will be designated for AA co-founder by Stephanie Warsmith, Beacon Journal staff writer Tuesday, May 18, 2010 < special way - by naming part of a street after him. Akron City Council on Monday
voted to designate the section of Olive Street from North Main Street to North
Howard Street "Dr. Bob's Way.">> < condition.>>
sad
that people misunderstand the tradition about anonymity. We are only to be anonymous at the level of press ect. We are to do this to avoid poisoning AA with our personal failings - but in my opinion, since Dr. Bob is dead and died
sober there is no longer any possible detriment to AA to have him known as a founder. Rather, he is an example of the power of the program. I do not know if he would like this honor, but I only say that I find no problem with the lack of anonymity in this case. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6568. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Akron honors Dr. Bob by re-naming part of Olive Street From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/26/2010 10:43:00 PM
Dear Cloyd, Bob and Judy The anonymity Traditions have the objective of humility (not secrecy). By General Service Board policy (affirmed by 4 Conferences) the anonymity of deceased members is supposed to be respected and protected the same as living members unless their family approves otherwise. Cheers Arthur Some literature references below. ===================================== In AA Comes of Age (p 10): ===================================== Meeting a few months after Dr. Bob's death, the first General Service Conference of Alcoholics Anonymous voted in 1951 to present each of Dr. Bob's heirs, young Bob and Sue, with a scroll which struck a final note. It read as follows: DR. BOB IN MEMORIAM Alcoholics Anonymous herein records its timeless gratitude for the life and works of Dr. Robert Holbrook S., a Co-Founder. Known in affection as "Dr, Bob" he recovered from alcoholism on June 10, 1935; in that year he helped form the first Alcoholics Anonymous Group; this beacon he and his good wife Anne so well tended that its light at length traversed the world. By the day of his departure from us, November 16, 1950, he had spiritually and medically helped countless fellow sufferers.
brooks no compromise; his was a devotion to man and God which in bright example will shine always.
gratitude to the heirs of Dr. Bob and Anne S. ===================================== AA Comes of Age (p 134): ===================================== These experiences taught us that anonymity is real humility at work. It is an all-pervading spiritual quality which today keynotes A.A. life everywhere. Moved by the spirit of anonymity, we try to give up our natural desires for personal distinction as A.A. members both among fellow alcoholics and before the general public. As we lay aside these very human aspirations, We believe that each of us takes part in the weaving of a protective mantle which covers our whole society and under which We may grow and work in unity. We are sure that humility, expressed by anonymity, is the greatest safeguard that Alcoholics Anonymous can ever have. ===================================== AA Comes of Age (p 136-137): ===================================== This was particularly true of anonymity. Today I hope I have come to a time in my A.A. life when I can obey because I really want to obey, because I really want the Traditions for myself as well as for A.A. as a whole. Therefore each of our Twelve Traditions is really an expression of the deflation that each of us has to take, of the sacrifice that we shall all have to make in order to live and work together. Dr. Bob was essentially a far more humble person than I. In some ways he was a sort of spiritual "natural," and this anonymity business came rather easily to him. He could not understand why some people should want so much publicity. In the years before he died, his personal example respecting anonymity did much to help me keep my own lid on. I think of one affecting instance in particular, one that every A.A. ought to know. When it was sure that Dr. Bob was mortally afflicted, some of his friends suggested that there should be a suitable monument or mausoleum erected in honor of him and his wife Anne-something befitting a founder and his lady. Of course this was a very natural and moving tribute. The committee went so far as to show him a sketch of the proposed edifice. Telling me about this, Dr. Bob grinned broadly and said, "God bless 'em. They mean well. But for heaven's sake, Bill, let's you and I get buried just like other folks."
Anne lie. The simple stone says not a word about Alcoholics Anonymous. Some people may think that this wonderful couple carried personal anonymity too far when they so firmly refused to use the words "Alcoholics Anonymous" even on their own burial stone. For one, I do not think so. I think that this moving and final example of self-effacement will prove of more permanent worth to A.A. than any amount of public attention or any great monument.
===================================== From: DudleyDobinson@aol.com (DudleyDobinson at aol.com) Hi. Tradition Eleven clearly states at what level we should maintain anonymity. Further clarification can be got from the pamphlet "Understanding Anonymity". On page Eleven it says we should "use last names within the Fellowship, especially for election of group officers and service jobs."
and
to be willing to break mine outside the rooms if I see an alcoholic needing/seeking help. Dudley from Ireland. Ps Any member would have a real problem finding me in the telephone book looking
for Dudley ===================================== ===================================== From: jwm_az@yahoo.com (jwm_az at yahoo.com) I agree that Dr Bob would most likely be taken aback at the notion of having a street named after him. Regarding the use of last names at (closed) meetings, however, none other than
Dr Bob himself decried NOT using one's full name at AA mtgs as a violation of anonymity - we are anonymous at the public level (press, radio and film), but not at meeting level: see "Dr Bob and The Good Oldtimers," around pg 264 (sorry, I'm travelling and don't have my copy at hand) for his opinion on this. If something bad befalls one of us - whether relapse, accident or other dire events
it is important to know exactly who the person is . . . It is difficult to go to
a hospital and ask which room "Joe from AA" (or James) is in . . . -James M. (This forum isn't a mtg) Campbell, California 4/1/89
York, Cleveland, Akron From: and25g . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2010 2:55:00 PM
in (1) New York, (2) Cleveland, and (3) Akron. - - - - Hi group I was talking to one of old timers and he was sure that first AA group to split
from the Oxford Group was the one in Cleveland. For some reasons, I always thought that Bill W and the group in Brooklyn decided
to hold independent meetings in Bill's house in Brooklyn. And Dr Bob did not the
group in Akron to become separate for some time. Would you have any facts on this topic? Thank you Andrew from Brooklyn - - - - From Glenn C. (glennccc at sbcglobal.net) I think we've had a good, thorough answer to this question in single comprehensive AAHL message, but I just used the search box at the top of our Message Board at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/messages and I can't find it. I think the following is basically the right dating, but will leave it to the real experts in our group to make any necessary corrections:
(1) NEW YORK -- Aug. 37 ============================================
says that "It has been well documented that NY split from the OG in August of 37."
(2) CLEVELAND -- May 39 ============================================ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5321 says that "On May 11, 1939 the first meeting of “Alcoholics Anonymous” using the name 'Alcoholics Anonymous' was held in Cleveland. The group had been forced to split from the Akron Oxford Group due to its Catholic members having trouble within their churches regarding attendance at Oxford Group meetings." ============================================ (3) AKRON -- Nov. 39 - Jan. 40 ============================================
http://westbalto.a-1associates.com/LETTERS%20ETC/chronologyofaagroups.htm November-December 1939 -- the Akron group withdrew from the Oxford Group association. Instead of holding meetings at the home of T. Henry and Clarence Williams (non-alcoholic Oxford Group members) the alcoholics started holding their meetings in Dr. Bob's and other members homes.
From: ronald beauregard . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2010 2:03:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII >> On Tue, 4/6/10, Jim Hoffman >> >> I have a copy of the 1970 pamphlet in an adobe >> file, if anyone would like. Please send me an >> email at: We have a 1966 copy in our archives and a 1980 copy that says Revised. I have not yet compared them, but there seems to have been revisions. Archives in GSO was kind enough to send me this 1970 adobe copy when I inquired. The most recent printing seems to be 2009 Momaria IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6571. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 14th National Archives Workshop: Macon, Georgia, Sept. 23-26 From: Dolores . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/28/2010 9:30:00 AM
wondering if there will be any written material or tape or such on the subject that I could receive. I am willing to send the money to pay for the cost incurred in doing this. I have written up the history of US servicemen on the European continent. I would like to learn if I did it ok and how i could add to it or wharever. Yours in AA, Dolores IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6572. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W. quote on purpose of an AA meeting From: planternva2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/26/2010 5:28:00 PM
"AS
Bill Sees It" is very similar to page 223 in "Language Of The Heart," it is not
an exact quote. Bill may have written to someone repeating the same ideas from
his original article. Jim S. --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hickcox > Thanks, Jim. That would be the February 1958, Vol. 14, No. 9, issue > of the Grapevine, which you can find on their Digital Archive. The > article is titled "Problems other than Alcohol: What can be done > about them?" by Wilson. It is also in the pamphlet Jim referenced in > his earlier post. > > This raises a of question in my mind. As Bill Sees It/The A.A. Way > of Life attributes it to a "Letter 1966". The pamphlet is > copyrighted 1958, so I wonder why it wasn't attributed to the > pamphlet rather than to a letter from almost a decade later? Maybe > to give us something to worry about. > > The issues Wilson addresses in the GV article are as alive and well > today as they were fifty-two years ago. > > Tommy H in Baton Rouge > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6573. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: bit in our teeth From: Stef . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/28/2010 2:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Stef and Laurence Holbrook - - - - From: "Stef" Chuck, this is from The Phrase Finder at http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/343900.html Meaning: Take control of a situation. Origin: A bit is a mouthpiece that is used to control a horse's movements. It is
normally fitted so that pressure on the reins presses the bit against the soft
parts of the horse's mouth, causing it to turn its head. This expression alludes
to a horse biting on the bit and taking control away from the rider. Cheers, Stef - - - - From: "Laurence Holbrook" (email at LaurenceHolbrook.com) "Take the bit between your teeth" means "Take control of a situation." The earliest known use of the phrase is in John Dryden's satirical poem The Medal, 1682: But this new Jehu spurs the hot-mounted horse, Instructs the beast to know his native force, To take the bit between his teeth and fly To the next headlong steep of anarchy. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6574. . . . . . . . . . . . Belladonna treatment From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2010 4:32:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII What exactly was the belladonna treatment used on Bill W. at Towns Hospital, when he came in for initial detoxing? Pass It On (p. 101) makes no mention of xanthoxylum (prickly ash) or hyoscyamus (henbane) being included in the mixture.
powerful
laxative). Someone who remembered Towns Hospital < of the liberal does of castor oil that the patients were given, together with belladonna. The belladonna treatment at Towns had been developed by Dr. Sam Lambert, a reputable New York physician, but it was the chief of staff, Dr. Silkworth, who would in time to come have the most impact on the treatment of alcoholism.>> - - - - http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6565 noted that some internet references claimed that Bill W. was given a mixture of belladonna (deadly nightshade), xanthoxylum (prickly ash), and hyoscyamus (henbane). But it has not been verified that Dr. Silkworth was using anything other than
belladonna by itself. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6577. . . . . . . . . . . . AAHL -- SAN ANTONIO -- 3-5:00 Sat. July 3
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2010 5:58:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Main AAHistoryLovers get-together at the San Antonio International 3:00-5:00 p.m., Saturday, July 3, 2010 in the AA Online hospitality suite (Crockett Suite A/B) at the Grand Hyatt Hotel
(the main convention hotel). The AA Online hospitality room will be open continuously from Thursday through
Saturday. The New York GSO has suggested this to us as an ideal place for members of the AAHistoryLovers to meet. So if you have some free time, come in and sit down and have a cup of coffee and chat. I'll be there when I'm not otherwise involved, and so will some of our other members, I believe. Glenn Chesnut, Moderator AAHistoryLovers OTHER EVENTS: ======================================== Friday, July 2, 2010 ========================================
GSO Archives, in the Henry B Gonzalez Convention Center -- we will have some tables and chairs at our disposal and Michelle Mirza, the GSO Archivist, has agreed to briefly chat with us. A good chance to learn more about the historical resources in the New York AA Archives. 1:30-3:00 p.m. Arthur S. of the AAHistoryLovers will be one of the 3 speakers participating in the Archives AA History Workshop at the MRW (Marriott River Walk). ****3:30-5:00 p.m. AN ADDITIONAL GOOD OPPORTUNITY to meet a few AAHL members for anyone who can't make the Saturday afternoon meeting: all members of the AAHistoryLovers who want to, can meet and discuss Arthur's talk in the AA Online hospitality suite, Crockett Suite A/B, at the Grand Hyatt Hotel. Or just sit down and have a cup of
coffee, and have an informal conversation with some of the other AAHL members
sitting around the table. ======================================== Saturday, July 3, 2010 ========================================
There will be a presentation on the History of AA in New Jersey in the hospitality suite at the Grand Hyatt in the Bonham Room.
MAIN A.A. HISTORY LOVERS GET-TOGETHER In the AA Online hospitality suite (Crockett Suite A/B) at the Grand Hyatt Hotel. No program, just come in and sit down and have a chat, and get to know some of your fellow AAHL members over a good cup of coffee. ======================================== [as revised 6/4/10] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6578. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Dr. Strecker From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/1/2010 9:08:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In 1913, Dr. Edward A. Strecker joined the hospital as an assistant physician. Over his 46 years of service, he became a preeminent author and teacher of psychiatry. In 1920, Dr. Strecker established one of the first psychiatric outpatient community clinics in the world at Pennsylvania Hospital's 8th and Spruce Street campus.
first to insist that alcoholism be treated as a disease, not a moral failing. In 1935, Pennsylvania Hospital's West Philadelphia department was the first psychiatric institution to hire a recovering person as an addiction counselor. Dr. Strecker and his former alcoholic patient, Francis Chambers, Jr., developed the "dual therapy" approach for alcoholics, combining abstinence and psychological counseling. The Institute's substance abuse unit was named "The Strecker Program" in his honor; in 1989 it was named "Treatment Center of the Year" by the American Council on Alcoholism. In Service, Cindy Miller IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6579. . . . . . . . . . . . Bondage of Self From: M.J. Johnson . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/1/2010 12:50:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Could anyone provide insight into the origin of the phrase "bondage of self," as used in the 3rd Step prayer on page 63 of the Big Book? Many thanks! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6580. . . . . . . . . . . . Ad Hoc Religions From: mdingle76 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/1/2010 3:40:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dear AAHL Group, I'm trying to locate an article written by Gerald Heard about AA called "The Ad Hoc Religions," published in the December 15, 1954 issue of Fortnight. Does anyone here know how I could receive an electronic copy of this? Any help in finding this article would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Matt D.
East Ridge, NY IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6581. . . . . . . . . . . . Gatherings From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/1/2010 10:30:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 59th Stepping Stones Family Groups Picnic Saturday, June 5, 2010 from 12:00noon - 5:00pm Stepping Stones (historic home of Bill & Lois W.) 62 Oak Road Bedford Hills, NY 10536 For further details go to www.steppingstones.org/annualpicnic.pdf ********** Bill W. Day (a celebration of the founding of AA) June 6, 2010 at The Wilson House (where Bill W. was born) 378 Village Street East Dorset, VT 05253 Gravesite ceremony is at 1:00PM, speaker meeting is at 2:00PM, & the barbeque is at 3:00PM. www.wilsonhouse.org ********** Founders' Day Weekend 75th Anniv. of AA June 11-13, 2010 in Akron, OH (the birthplace of AA) For further details go to http://foundersdayregistration.akronaa.org/ ********** 2010 International Convention of AA July 1-4, 2010 in San Antonio, TX For further details click here www.aa.org/subpage.cfm?page=199
York, Cleveland, Akron From: allan_gengler . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2010 10:15:00 PM
but
kind of a wave that happened. In this case the women are the blame/cause. But
Akron appears to be the final break from the OG: ---------- Whatever Bill's advice to Doc about the Oxford Group matter might have been, Bob
E. felt that the women had a lot to do with the final split. This belief was not
farfetched. The wives all considered themselves members of A.A. and had a great
deal to say. Furthermore, Anne was extremely protective of Dr. Bob, who evidently was taking quite a beating at the time. Remember what Smitty said: His mother, though timid by nature, was capable of rising to great heights when someone threatened her family or the principles of A.A. "Henrietta [Seiberling] didn't like the book," said Bob E. (who had joined the Akron group early in 1937). "She and Anne had a little falling-out over that. Then Clarace Williams and Anne had a falling-out over something. What it was, no one ever found out. "There were some hot conversations on the telephone. It was a three-way thing between Clarace, Henrietta, and Anne. The women decided it, as was usually the case in things like that. And Doc went along with Annie." About that time, Doc went to New York to see Bill, who, in a letter dated December 1939, said: "Thanks for your visit and also for your suits. I don't know what I'd done without them." And not a word of what they had talked about!
(They could hardly have foreseen the establishment of A.A. archives.) It was probably following this visit that Dr. Bob went to talk with T. Henry Williams, who told Bill about the conversation in a letter two months later. Noting that "boys were all over 21," T. Henry told Bill: "I have nothing
to hold them here. Bob came over and insisted that the boys were not satisfied and felt we were unfriendly and insisted they meet elsewhere. He also insisted
that I make a statement telling them they were free to leave. Do you think we would turn them out, after what it has meant to us? Our door is open, and we love every one of the boys, and they will always be welcome." John and Elgie R. remembered when the decision was made. "There was a meeting that night," said John, who always managed to get in a good word for every person he mentioned. "Boy, I never heard two men talk like they did [Dr.
Bob and T. Henry]. They passed confidence and praise to each other. And they both deserved it. "It was a hard time for the group," John said. "There were a lot of us who liked T. Henry. And we didn't know whether to leave or not." "At the last meeting, they voted," said Elgie. "The ones who were going to stay with T. Henry-okay. And the ones who were going with Doc-okay. That's the way they said goodbye. But they had argued over it all for a month or more." Among those who stayed were Lloyd T., who had been Clarence's sponsor, and Bill J. Others, including Rollie H., the baseball player, stayed for a time and changed their minds later. "Henrietta [Seiberling] told Dr. Bob that it was the worst mistake he had ever made." according to Elgie, who remembered her saying, "How could you do this? You'll be sorry."
never figure out why she was so incensed." (Although Henrietta later went with the A.A.'s, she was not active in Akron for long after that. A short time later, she moved to New York, where she remained until her death, in 1979.) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6583. . . . . . . . . . . . Split from the Oxford Group: New York, Cleveland, Akron From: John Lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/31/2010 11:55:00 AM
T. Henry Williams and his wife, Clarace [not "Clarence"] Williams. T. Henry Williams claimed to be a direct descendant of Roger Williams, the 17th century
founder of Providence Plantations. John Lee
Pittsburgh IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6584. . . . . . . . . . . . Stepper, two hatter, two stepper, 13 stepping
From: Dougbert . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2010 5:34:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Group, Can any anybody give me a precise definition and the origin for each of these
terms? 1. Stepper 2. Two-Hatter 3. Two-Stepper 4. 13 Stepping Dougbert IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6585. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: bit in our teeth From: PHILIP DIXON . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/31/2010 10:29:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Book of James had a huge impact on early AA and the Big Book, as we all know. The James Club was passed around as one of the potential names for this young, emerging fellowship. Please refer to James 3:3 for a reference to bits in horses mouths: James 3:2b-8 "If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able
also to bridle the whole body. Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that
they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so
the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and
hath been tamed of mankind: but the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6586. . . . . . . . . . . . How was the Daily Reflections book written and put together? From: Edie Stanger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/2/2010 11:30:00 AM
wrote / edited the "Daily Reflections" book or how the book was put together.
York, Cleveland, Akron From: Rotax Steve . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/31/2010 11:17:00 AM
and other Oxford Group members react to the alcoholics splitting off and forming their own separate group? ~ Rotax Steve IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6588. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Split from the Oxford Group: New York, Cleveland, Akron From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/3/2010 10:23:00 AM
started the first group to use the name Alcoholics Anonymous from the title of the newly published book (April 1939). If you listen to Jimmy Burwell's tapes (Jimmy "The Atheist") he talks about how
as early as 1937 the drunks among the early Oxford Groupers were meeting in Bill's house at 182 Clinton Street, and often at Stewart's Cafeteria nearby. They were calling themselves "An anonymous group of drunks" but the book hadn't
come out yet. Clarence always claimed the Cleveland break away was officially the first group
to call itself Alcoholics Anonymous and to limit attendance to alcoholics only.
"unauthorized meeting." By the time Clarence was officially pulling the Clevelanders out of the Akron Oxford group in 1939, Bill's "unauthorized" meeting was being expelled in 1939 by the official NYC Oxford groups with a pronouncement that "We no longer will tolerate pickpockets and dipsomaniacs."
use
of the title "Alcoholics Anonymous" after the name of our book, whereas the NYC
drunks claim a de facto existence two years before the publication of the book.
www.recoveryspeakers.org and other sites.
(glennccc at sbcglobal.net) I think we've had a good, thorough answer to this question in single comprehensive AAHL message, but I just used the search box at the top of our Message Board at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/messages and I can't find it. I think the following is basically the right dating, but will leave it to the real experts in our group to make any necessary corrections:
(1) NEW YORK -- Aug. 37 ============================================
says that "It has been well documented that NY split from the OG in August of 37."
(2) CLEVELAND -- May 39 ============================================ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5321 says that "On May 11, 1939 the first meeting of 'Alcoholics Anonymous' using the name 'Alcoholics Anonymous' was held in Cleveland. The group had been forced to split from the Akron Oxford Group due to its Catholic members having trouble within their churches regarding attendance at Oxford Group meetings."
(3) AKRON -- Nov. 39 - Jan. 40 ============================================
http://westbalto.a-1associates.com/LETTERS%20ETC/chronologyofaagroups.htm November-December 1939 -- the Akron group withdrew from the Oxford Group association. Instead of holding meetings at the home of T. Henry and Clarace Williams (non-alcoholic Oxford Group members) the alcoholics started holding their meetings in Dr. Bob's and other members homes. January 1940 -- the Akron group started meeting at King School. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6589. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How was the Daily Reflections book written and put together? From: Patricia . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2010 8:27:00 PM
Daily
Reflections. Each group was notified by their GSR that you could submit comments
or stories and they would be considered by the panel to be used in the publication. Feb. 14th happens to be my friend and fellow home group member Peter R. Patricia IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6590. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Belladonna treatment From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/3/2010 9:54:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII *Info on the Belladonna Treatment from two sources John
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Towns-Lambert Treatment was begun. Dr. Lambert described the belladonna treatment as follows: *
belladonna, hyoscyamus and xanthoxylum. The mixture is given every hour, day and night, for about fifty hours. There is also given about every twelve hours a vigorous catharsis of C.C. pills and blue mass. At the end of the treatment, when it is evident that there are abundant bilious stools, castor oil is given to clean out thoroughly the intestinal tract. If you leave any of the ingredients out, the reaction of the cessation of desire is not as clear cut as when the three are mixed together. The amount necessary to give is judged by the physiologic action of the belladonna it contains. When the face becomes flushed, the throat dry, and the pupils of the eyes dilated, you must cut down your mixture or cease giving it altogether until these symptoms pass. You must, however, push this mixture until these symptoms appear, or you will not obtain a clear cut cessation of the desire for the narcotic...(17, p. 2126; 209,p.186) * *The exact contents of each ingredient is outlined below: * *Belladonna Specific Tincture belladonnae = 62. gm. Fluidextracti xanthoryli. Fluidextracti hyoscyami = .31 gm. (210) *
berries. Leaves and root contain atropine and related alkaloids which are anticholinergic. It is a powerful excitant of the brain with side effects of delirium (wild and talkative), decreased secretion, and diplopia. (211,p.112) *
chronic gastro-intestinal disturbances. Carminative and diaphoretic. (211, p.269)" *
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