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Anniversary From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2010 9:23:00 AM
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rubber-wound golf ball and the first artificial fish bait. But it's also the birthplace of Alcoholics Anonymous, which commemorates its 75th anniversary on June 10.
1935, the man the world came to know as "Bill W." (later revealed to be William Griffith Wilson) was at a crossroads -- a recovering alcoholic who found his will tested during an Akron business trip. Desperate for a drink, he instead made a pay phone call from the hotel lobby.
Seiberling. She was a member of the self-help Oxford Group. "I'm a rum hound from New York, and I need help," he told her. Seiberling arranged for Wilson to meet Dr. Bob Smith the next day at the Gate Lodge, a three-bedroom house located at the estate where she lived.
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his home. Over the next several weeks, they developed the founding principles, or 12-step program, of Alcoholics Anonymous, which were designed to provide support for recovering alcoholics, their families and friends. Since June 10, 1935, marked the last date that Smith ever took a drink, that's
the day officially counted as the beginning of Alcoholics Anonymous. Today in Akron, it's easy to trace the steps that led to AA. The Mayflower Hotel at 263 South Main St. is now the Mayflower Manor apartment building. In the lobby is a replica 1930s-era pay phone, placed there in 1996 in
recognition of Wilson's historic call. Smith's house, at 855 Ardmore Ave., is today a museum dedicated to the history
of Alcoholics Anonymous. And where it all started, at the Gate Lodge, located at the stately Stan Hywet
Gate and Gardens at 714 North Portage Path, they commemorate the history of AA as well. Katharine Campbell, vice president of marketing at the Stan Hywet Gate and Gardens, said that while many visitors come each year to reflect on the history of AA, this anniversary will certainly attract newcomers. "AA is an important organization, and we enthusiastically celebrate its success
right here where it all started," Campbell told AOL News. "We are proud to be a
part of the legacy, and we welcome people from all walks of life who want to learn more. "We're commemorating the anniversary as we do each year, with a three-day Founders' Day celebration, June 11 to 13. In addition to the tours and special exhibits, admission will be free to the Gate Lodge. Also, recovering artist Mary Lyn B. will be performing for the public on Saturday," Campbell said. Mary Lyn B. will perform songs from her new CD called, appropriately, "12 Songs."
throughout Akron over the course of June 11-13, including events at Smith's home and Akron University. http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/akron-ohio-commemorates-75th-year- as-b\
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6617. . . . . . . . . . . . Sam Shoemaker and Not Maximum From: gvanrobinson . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2010 12:46:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bill W. heaped much praise on Sam Shoemaker for his role in giving AA many of its basic principles. When the "anonymous bunch of drunks" were declared "not maximum" by the Oxford Group in New York in 1937, what was Shoemaker's stance on the split? I'm aware that it was in 1941 when he asked the Oxford Group to leave Calvary
Episcopal Church. 1939 to 1941 must have been quite a time of upheaval for him.
++++Message 6618. . . . . . . . . . . . The phrase two-stepping comes from the 12 and 12 From: Dov . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/8/2010 5:15:00 AM
page 113, "We temporarily cease to grow because we feel satisfied that there is no need for all of A.A.'s Twelve Steps for us. We are doing fine on a few of them. Maybe we are doing fine on only two of them, the First Step and that part of the Twelfth where we "carry the message." In A.A. slang, that blissful state is known as "two-stepping." And it can go on for years."
history that includes a piece on AA slogans. The following excerpt seems particularly relevant, "We don't have a great deal of information about the origins of AA's slogans and acronyms, but we can provide some sharing and preliminary information. Many of these slogans, as with other practices in AA, were simply passed along verbally to other members, so it is impossible to know who started using them first. It is possible that some of the slogans may have originally stemmed from a part of the Oxford Group Movement language, but it could also be that they were original with Bill and Dr. Bob and the early members. Members have always inquired as to the origins of various slogans, and it has always been difficult to narrow down; in our research, we discovered a letter written by former GSO Archivist, Frank M., dated 1989, who responded to a similar question that was posed to him. This was Frank's response, "Your interest in the origins of `One Day at a Time' is shared by many of us. Like hand-holding, however, it's difficult to pin-point the exact `moment.'" That is the problem we find with most of our AA slogans, unfortunately! We do know, however, that many slogans commonly heard have been around since the early days of the Fellowship. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6619. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 13th stepping From: Janis R . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2010 4:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Re: 13th stepping From Janis R, James R, Tim Lokey, Maria Orozco, and Henry Cox - - - - From: "Janis R" (janis at aadallas.org) I read some time ago that the early AA members in New York (I will have to find the source. It is not at my fingertips), used 13 Stepping in reference to what we now call "the meeting after the meeting". In other words when members would meet for coffee and dessert or dinner after a meeting, it was a 13 Step. When this changed to a negative meaning I don't know. I rather like the original meaning if that is indeed the case. As a historian I much prefer having more than one source for a statement so take this information for what it is worth. An aside from a couple of old timers. I will do my best to find the source.
(jamesoddname at yahoo.com) Not to get into a cuss-fight but my definition of 13th-stepping was not gender-specific. My expeience is that either sex can be the aggressor or the victim. Toleration of the practice, regardless of who initiates the relationship, depends on the ethos of the home group and the attitude of the couple's sponsors. I have not personally engaged in 13th-stepping but my observation is that the sobriety of both parties is at risk. To add an anecdote, a 20 yr old sponsee of mine was the target of a cougar older
than his mother. But he was very new in sobriety and insecure sexually, so he went along after only brief resistance. Both relapsed. He sobered up again within the month; she didn't for about 6 months. Perhaps the aggressor is at greater rsk than the target, regardless of gender. To add another aside (again anecdotal evidence only), a friend of mine in a gay-lesbian group tells me that 13th-stepping there is more tolerated among the lesbians than among the gay men. - - - - From: Tim Lokey (lokey1058 at yahoo.com) Dear Group; Been There...Done That. Got no tangible results until I started working steps, you know in order... like those little red numbers beside them indicate I should do. I am a "Counselor" at a rehab facility now and I had to stop attending meetings where my clients are present. I had to do so because when I was in the
room, they would look at me for approval of the message they were sharing, and
of course my EGO would take over and instead of being just another drunk with a
book, I attempted to "teach" at AA meetings. Through spiritual growth and the
help of a "kick-ass" type sponsor, I no longer practice such foolishness. GOD BLESS! Tim L.
06/06/2000 - - - - From: Maria Orozco (marialifesgift1935 at yahoo.ca) Thank you for sharing Lynn - - - - From: Henry Cox (Rebos7688 at aol.com) Lynn glad u included both genders. Glad for you and your amends. Mine two was accepted and my dos 8-28-76. Still going strong in the program. - - - - Original message #6612 from Lynn Sawyer Dear grp., A coupla details, James forgot to mention: 13th-stepping is usually 'tolerated' when male members do this, and often the
unsuspecting female experiences relapse when this happens. But longtime-sober females are not exempt from this practice either; 'been there, done that.' Thank my God that my amends were accepted, and the party remained sober. Thanks for letting me share.
alcoholic grateful to be sober TODAY DOS=10/22/79 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6620. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 13th stepping From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/11/2010 2:20:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Folks, Just a couple of reminders. ______________________________ 1. The founder of the AAHistoryLovers had several oft repeated rules that she
would announce to people who sent things in: "We are not a chat room: please do not use the list to comment on other people's
posts. Comment on the post ONLY if your message has additional history on the
subject." "Personal opinions are to be avoided: no personal opinions, or posts based just
on rumor or vague memory of what someone told you will be posted. To the extent
possible please list the sources for any information you send." "Messages that repeat history already on the list will not be posted: please use
the search box to make sure the information is not already on the list. Also please search the list before posting a question which may already have been answered." ______________________________ There are lots of AA chat rooms and discussion groups online. But there is only
one really first-rate history group, the AAHistoryLovers. And if we overwhelm the AAHL with the kind of messages which could be posted just as well in numerous other places, we will create a situation where no one will have time to read all the messages, and the central purpose of the AAHL will be destroyed. We'll turn into just another AA chat room and discussion group.
______________________________ 2. The other reminder is that, before sending a question in, please go first to the Message Board at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/messages and use the search box at the top to search for words and phrases on that topic.
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question) has already been answered very thoroughly. ______________________________ 13th STEPPING: So on the subject of 13th stepping, the following seven messages (which were posted at various times in the past) give some very useful information about how that term was used historically, and how the issue first arose historically. Message 2394 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/2394 Message 2390 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/2390 Message 2382 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/2382 Message 2381 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/2381 Message 2377 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/2377 Message 1511 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1511 Message 178 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/178 ______________________________
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/8/2010 10:28:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Jared Lobdell, Rick Swaney, Cindy Miller, Patricia , and - - - - Question asked by Maria Orozco We have a Long Term Timer that will be 61 years sobriety here in Ontario, Southern California. Are there any more Long Term Timers of over 60 years, Please let me know.
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Clyde B of Bristol, Pennsylvania got sober Jun 20 1946, Chet H of Hummelstown, Pennsylvania got sober Apr 4 1949, and of course Mel B. of Toledo (who will be at San Antonio) got sober Apr 15 1950. I can't recall the name of the lady who spoke at Lancaster County, Pennsylvania's 50th -- was it Ruth K? -- but I think she's sober 62 years or so out in California. - - - - From: Rick Swaney Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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