Aa history Lovers 2010 moderators Nancy Olson and Glenn F. Chesnut page
Yüklə 25,47 Mb.
|
following posts on the subject of Dr. Silkworth's moral psychology mentioned in the Doctors Opinion, Big Book, page xxxi, 4th paragraph:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aahistorybuffs/message/453 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aahistorybuffs/message/581 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aahistorybuffs/message/668 There may be a few others to look into as well. I believe that Barefoot Bill (Lash) also posted a few articles which contain "moral psychology" Yours in service, Jim M. from http://www.silkworth.net/ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6534. . . . . . . . . . . . AAHistoryLovers get-together in San Antonio
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/19/2010 11:19:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII For the History Lovers going to San Antonio for the A.A. International Convention, July 1-4, 2010. Would it be possible to somehow take a poll and pick a date, time and location to gather together and see what we look like up close and personal?
Archives Workshops and would love to meet more at the International.
terrible I am at preconceiving how email authors might look like and how they actually turn out in person. Cheers Arthur IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6535. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AAHistoryLovers get-together in San Antonio From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/23/2010 10:24:00 PM
main convention hotel) in Crockett Suite A/B. I phoned the New York GSO on Friday, and they said that the A.A. Online hospitality suite was for all AA-related online groups, including groups like the AAHistoryLovers, and they encouraged us to drop in and spend time there whenever we wished. So this seems like it could be a very good place to meet.
me, but not on Sunday. And Thursday would probably not be a good day to meet, given that we have given
folks no advance warning. Since no convention activities are scheduled until the
party and dance at 7:00 p.m. on Thursday evening, most people will most likely
have their travel plans set up so that they will be arriving on Thursday afternoon or evening. So some time on Friday or Saturday would seem like it would give the most people
an opportunity to attend. ______________________________ ADVANCE PROGRAM A.A. International Convention San Antonio, Texas -- July 1-4, 2010 http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/2010IC_AdvanceProgram.pdf THURSDAY, July 1, 2010 7:00 p.m. -- convention begins Thursday night with a Party in the Park right outside Halls C & D of the Convention Center in Hemisfair Park. Start in the park; hop on into the Convention Center and swing over to the Grand Hyatt San
Antonio for dancing fun. FRIDAY, July 2, 2010 9:00 a.m.-5:30 p.m. A.A. topic meetings, workshops, panels, special interest meetings, and regional meetings will be held Friday and Saturday at the Henry B. Gonzalez Convention Center and the Grand Hyatt San Antonio. 8:00 p.m. Friday night we all come together in the Alamodome Stadium for the Flag Ceremony and Opening A.A. Meeting. SATURDAY, July 3, 2010 9:00 a.m.-5:30 p.m. A.A. topic meetings, workshops, panels, special interest meetings, and regional meetings will be held Friday and Saturday at the Henry B. Gonzalez Convention Center and the Grand Hyatt San Antonio. 8:00 p.m. Saturday night Old-timers A.A. Meeting. SUNDAY, July 4, 2010 9:00 a.m.-11:00 a.m. Sunday morning the Closing A.A. Meeting. ______________________________
AAHistoryLovers in San Antonio. Glenn Chesnut, Moderator AAHistoryLovers IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6536. . . . . . . . . . . . Searching for Letter to Alcoholic Foundation by Bill McI., 1946 From: sonja400@rogers.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 11:59:00 AM
to see the original before a copy of it goes into our Toronto newsletter. I don't know how to search online for it. It is a letter to Alcholoic Foundation by Bill McI., Secretary for Toronto AA Central Group. It is dated March 20, 1946. It starts off as follows: "Dear Bobbie: I realize that I am reporting in rather late, but AA has been moving very rapidly here since the first of the year and moving in the right direction. We started off with our New Year's party which was a grand success and quite different from a year previous when four of us sat in a morgue like atmosphere drinking ginger ale and wondering if it was worth it. This year we had well over 100 happy, laughing sober people. Truly a tribute to the way AA works." Perhaps someone can not only find this particular letter for me, but also tell
me how I go about searching for specific articles. Sonja IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6537. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Akron honors Dr. Bob by re-naming part of Olive Street From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 11:12:00 AM
anything clear prior to his death it was that he did not want this kind of recognition.
either dissolving or being trivialized (always with the best of intentions of course).
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of momaria33772 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:50 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Akron honors Dr. Bob by re-naming part of Olive Street
Portion of Olive St. will be designated for AA co-founder
co-founding Alcoholics Anonymous. This year, Akron will thank Dr. Bob in a special way - by naming part of a street after him. Akron City Council on Monday voted to designate the section of Olive Street from North Main Street to North Howard Street ''Dr. Bob's Way.'' This section of Olive is on the north end of St. Thomas Hospital, which featured the first hospital specialty unit to treat alcoholism as a medical condition. The street designation will help celebrate the 75th anniversary of AA starting in Akron on June 10. ''I think it's a good piece of legislation and a good way to honor Dr. Bob,'' said Councilman Jeff Fusco. Summit County Councilwoman Ilene Shapiro urged Please see Dr. Bob, council members to redesignate the street and create a historical marker. ''I think it's a lovely tribute to his memory,'' she said. The city didn't want to rename Olive because of the inconvenience this would cause to St. Thomas staff who have documents printed with the current street name, said Deputy Mayor Dave Lieberth. Signs with the new designation will be added on Olive at Main, Howard and Schiller Avenue after a ceremony June 14 at St. Thomas. Stephanie Warsmith can be reached at 330-996-3705 or swarsmith@thebeaconjournal.com Or go the the site directly http://www.ohio.com/news/94046929.html IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6538. . . . . . . . . . . . Back issues of Markings and Box 459 From: Cindy Miller . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/22/2010 5:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Every issue of "Markings" is on-line on the AA Website, and I believe, so are the last 10 years of Box 459....
Charlies Bishop, Jr., asked about a particular issue of Box 459.]
Alcoholic Foundation by Bill Mc... From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/24/2010 12:21:00 PM
lambie pie) Berger. If so, It may be on file at GSO Archives in NY city. You can go there to see it or call GSO Archives and perhaps they could read you or send you a copy of the letter. There policy won't allow it to be photocopied Yours'
Shakey Mike Gwirtz Phila PA USA IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6540. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Why was Fitz''s alcoholic problem so complex? From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/23/2010 1:42:00 AM
somewhat vague, and often not in the sense we use them today, e.g. "psychopaths....they are always going on the wagon for keeps..." That's not the ordinary sense a modern psychiatrist uses when he used the word psychopath.
Fitz
M. was no different than any of a dozen early low bottom pioneers "desperate cases" "beyond human aid." Don't get too attached to Silkworth's descriptions, he was a pioneer and a medical benefactor, but the experience we now have in describing the alcoholics based on 75 years of experience is actually more sophisticated. However, his early description of the "allergy" the phenomena of craving and his early encouragement of Bill W. and "the altruistic movement
growing up among them" makes him immortal in the hearts and minds of AAs, and
will keep his section in the Big Book forever. - - - - From: "Jordan F" (daricedavis at yahoo.com) I am grateful for this question. I have some thoughts about potential features
involved in Fitz's alcoholic problem being so complex. However, I cannot know
of another's essential struggle. My experience, strength and hope gives me a sense of three areas in the background material from Glenn C. which could have been a barrier to the spiritual awakening necessary for depth recovery. [See original message no. 6515 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6515 from journey when present. Perhaps they did likewise to Fitz's. The first barrier was this member made his own diagnosis. Yes, we do identify
ourselves each of us as alcoholic, but we are way too close to see ourselves objectively. This is why A.A. is based on a "buddy system" of one alcoholic talking with another alcoholic. My arrogance and egotism, represented by acting like the "doctor" in my own case, have stood in the way of my surrendering to God, and then talking with others like me who are alcoholic and
listening to their view points. This was a major threat to my staying H.O.W. -- Honest, Open, and Willing. This is a "we" program ... we help each other, we work together, we are of service to others. Each of us don't go off in our little corners and figure out our own stuff by ourselves. We seek out each other and do outreach to get others input. I don't ever have to go through all the circumstances that brought me to A.A. alone ever again. The second barrier was this member marked his case hopeless. It's never helpful
for me recovery when I put on my "God suit" and take over a pseudo-omnipotent position like this one. That's God's job and rôle in life; not mine. I can't
be doing my job with my life to the best of my ability when I'm seeking to take
on God's part in this thing. God does not need my help; I need his help. God,
as I understand God, needs me to do my part: To seek God's guidance as to God's
will and the power to carry that will out in all my affairs. The third barrier occurred when the individual hid himself away in the barn. When I isolate or withdraw from others I generally am seeking to hide my behavior from exposure and scrutiny because I know I'm on an ineffective path.
I am in flight from reality when I am pushing people away who can otherwise prompt and inspire me to stay in the solution regarding my life's challenges by what they say about their journeys in recovery. I'm pushing away help while simultaneously acting based on self-will run riot. And, if those three features were not trouble enough for me as I trudge on my path to recovery, this member described themselves as the child of a minister. I have heard numerous ministers in A.A. describe how their professional affiliation as a minister had been twisted in their minds by their drinking and/or using careers to support their disease prior to commencing a program of recovery. Although I am not a minister's kid, I am a doctor's kid, and I can report that
my mind was twisted with the extremes of entitlement and the self-serving values
of money, property, and prestige I picked out of my affluent upbringing. They
filled some of the empty spaces inside me until I could learn new tools hear,
but they also stood in the way of my being teachable, too. So, I get a special
chuckle when I hear A.A. speakers from similar circumstances describe their particular twist on this same theme. That's my contribution to the topic. Warm regards, Darice IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6541. . . . . . . . . . . . 14th National Archives Workshop: Macon, Georgia, Sept. 23-26 From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/20/2010 8:37:00 PM
Thursday September 23 - Sunday September 26, 2010 Learn how to research and write the AA story from: MEL B. Author of Pass It On, Ebby: The Man Who Sponsored Bill W., New Wine, My Search for Bill W., Walk in Dry Places, The 7 Key Principles of Successful Recovery
Author of My Name is Bill W., When Love Is Not Enough: the Lois Wilson Story, 1000 Years of Sobriety, Sought Through Prayer and Meditation, 50 Quiet Miracles CONFERENCE FLIER: http://aanationalarchivesworkshop.com/ _________________________________________ YIS Shakey Mike Gwirtz Phila, PA
problem so complex? From: shakey . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/25/2010 12:50:00 AM
talking
about ? Fitz got drunk in a barn and went home the next morning(read his story)
and the man Dr S talks about was rescued by a searching party at a barn.It has
similarities yet enough difference to make me ask for documentation. Where in our literature is "Fitz" i.d'd as that man? Yours in Service Shakey Mike Gwirtz Phila, PA USA
psychology From: CBBB164@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/22/2010 1:52:00 PM
Psychology" in offering his opinion. In the same paragraph where that term is used, he referred to the "powers of good that lie outside our synthetic knowledge." Two paragraphs later, he states, "They believe in themselves, and still more in the Power which pulls chronic alcoholics back from the gates of death." This is what our Program of Recovery is about. Plugging into that Power; our Higher Power Makes sense to me. In God's love and service, Cliff Bishop 214-350-1190 http://www.ppgaadallas.org/
the "spiritual" program, or what Silkworth must have considered a "religious" approach. Such approaches were beyond "the synthetic knowledge" BB pg xxv of "modern" (1930s) scientists like medical doctors. In other words, occasionally a drunk sobered up through the Salvation Army or Oxford Group whereas the docs
couldn't reach them. The one line in the Big Book which I believe is a complete exageration (for which I forgive WD Silkworth) is the line on page xxvii (4th ed.) :" Though the aggregate of recoveries resulting from psychiatric effort is considerable, we physicians must admit we have made little impression upon the problem as a while.. Many types do not respond to the ordinary psychological approach." Poor Doc Silkworth, he had to give some credit to his profession. But even today I doubt if there is an considerable aggregate of recoveries to alcoholism with just head shrinking. Every AA knows that a good psychiatrist, the minute he suspects a patient to be an alkie, will insist he go to AA meetings or refuse to treat the man further. Remember Silkworth withheld his name from the first edition/first printing, because he thought the other docs might consdier him a crackpot for allowing Bill W. to come into Town's Hospital and talk God to the drunks. But to his credit as a sincere healer rather than an "M-Diety" he cared for what got his patients well, rather than who came up with the therapy. Bill's "altruistic movement" worked and the croakers' cures didn't, so he encouraged the AAs and
let his name be used in future printings. In short, "moral psychology" were the words Silkworth used because he didn't want to come right out and say "the only thing that seems to help these drunks is some 'Good Ol' Time Religion." But he knew that was the only thing that worked, and he could see that Bill and his boys could package it and pitch it to
their fellow alkies better than any professional preachers. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6544. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Judge sentences man to get AA sponsor
From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/16/2010 10:24:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi: In 2007 while I was doing research in Bennington, VT I tried to find a court record concerning Ebby's day in court, but there are no records for the Magistrate Court back to 1934. The only information we have relates to Rowland Hazzard, Sebra Graves and Shep Cornell interceding with the magistrate, Collins Graves, to have Ebby released to their custody instead of sentencing Ebby to a mental hospital as a "public nuisance". Those three were members of a local Oxford Group and were drinking buddies (at least Sebra and Rowland were, although Shep's inclinations are not clear). They persuaded Ebby to follow OG principles so his drinking could be controlled. The judge apparently did not give Ebby such a sentence...just a release to custody. Sebra was well known in the community, as well as being the son of the magistrate, so it would appear that all were satisfied to handle the matter that way. Of course Ebby was so convinced that the OG program was great that he also "carried the message" to Bill Wilson shorty thereafter. - - - - Much has been written about the OG influence upon Bill, but I discuss that from
a different point of view in my forthcoming book about the "Role of Vermont in AA history". - - - - Another bit of minutia... I interviewed Van Graves during that trip. He was Sebra's brother, and DID have the title of "Judge", and he made a very specific point to me that his father, Collins, was NOT a "Judge"... he was "head of a family agency". A little family rivalry there, I guess.
________________________________________ To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com From: ckeith@moment.net Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
|