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| Intrigued to read of an Addicts Anonymous
newsletter in 1952. Did this fellowship pre-date NA etc?
with All Addicts Anonymous, which was only founded a short time ago.
links with Alcoholics Anonymous? How widespread was its membership? What happened to it?
> called the Alconaire. This is possibly a news > letter from a local AA committee. > > I came across a reference to the Alconaire > in the October 5, 1952 issue of the Addicts > Anonymous newsletter The Key (based out of > the US Public Health Services Hospital in > Lexington, KY). > > The article reprinted in the Key is called > A. A. Slips and Relapses and appeared as an > editorial written by Steve W. in the > July/August 1952 issue of the Alconaire. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Chris B. > Raleigh, NC > > (cbudnick at nc.rr.com) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6007. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Addicts Anonymous From: rriley9945@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2009 6:07:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Addicts Anonymous pre-dates N.A. by several years. Around 1947. An A.A. by the
name of Houston was in the Lexington, Kentucky?area near the Federal Hospital
that housed drug addicts. He once sponsored someone in A.A. who could stay away
from alcohol but continued to use drugs so he believed and rightly so that the
12 steps could work but had to be geared towards drug addiction to do?so.?When he was transfered to the Lexington area he approached the hospital and?volunteered to start a meeting even though he didn't use drugs. It stayed within the hospital for the most part although many tried to get it going on the outside. There was an Addicts Anonymous in South Philadelphia up until the 1980s I was told. Not sure it that was same or just used the nameJimmy K who is considered one of the co-founders of N.A. most likely attended Addicts Anonymus
meetings while in Lexington There was an article in the July 1949 Grapevine about Addicts Anonymous Bob from Long Island PS hope to see some of you in two weeks at the National Alcoholics Anonymous Archives Workshop in Woodland Hills, California IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6008. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Addicts Anonymous and All Addicts Anonymous From: mdingle76 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2009 7:42:00 PM
U.S.
Public Health Service Hospital at Lexington.(I 99% sure that I got this date in Bill White's book "Slaying the Dragon".) Here is a report of the group's first year given by the secretary of Addicts Anonymous and published in the Alcoholics Anonymous Grapevine, the official magazine of the AA fellowship: A year ago, several members of the Alcoholics Anonymous Group in this vicinity
approached the Medical Officer in Charge of the United States Public Health Service Hospital in Lexington, KY for the purpose of introducing an AA group into this institution. It was out of this beginning that the charter group of Addicts Anonymous was formed. The success of our organization is measured only by the success of its members
in abstaining from the use of drugs, even though they may be in an environment where they are readily available. The underlying purpose of Addicts Anonymous is outlined in our preamble: Our precepts are patterned after those of Alcoholics Anonymous to which all credit is hereby given and all precedence is acknowledged.* We claim no originality but since we believe that the causes of addiction and alcoholism are
basically the same, we wish to apply to our lives the truths which have benefited so many otherwise helpless alcoholics. We believe that by so doing, we may regain and maintain our health and sanity."(Grapevine, February 1948) As for the founding of All Addicts Anonymous (www.alladdictsanonymous.org) the
first group started in Chappaqua NY, in the mid 1950s with members: Tom P., his
son Tom P. Jr., a neurotic named Tony G., (I think Tony's wife), and a few others members. This group was originally called the "Nut Club". In the 60s Tom Sr., called the group the LifeSavers Group, and then in the early 80s he gave it the name that has stuck till this day -- All Addicts Anonymous. --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, jenny andrews wrote:
> > Intrigued to read of an Addicts Anonymous > newsletter in 1952. Did this fellowship pre-date > NA etc? > > I have recently been in email correspondence > with All Addicts Anonymous, which was only > founded a short time ago. > > Did the 1950s Addicts Anonymous group have > links with Alcoholics Anonymous? How widespread > was its membership? What happened to it? > > Laurie A. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6009. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Harry Emerson Fosdick From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/9/2009 8:44:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Kevin There is a phenomenon in AA where a number of members after sobering up engage in reading religious material and/or return to church services and get the notion that clergy members and religions have principles that are "a lot like AA" when it is very much the other way around. In terms of primacy, AA's so-called "12 step approach" (which began as a "6 step approach") was likely spiritually in sync with Harry Emerson Fosdick and other influential Christian clergy members (such as Sam Shoemaker) rather than the other way around.
Leonard V Strong, in December 1937, set up a meeting between Bill W and Willard Richardson (who was himself an ordained minister and manager of Rockefeller's philanthropies). The connection between Bill W and Rockefeller was primarily through Richardson. From the writings of Bill W (and other AA history books) it doesn't appear that Bill W ever actually personally met Rockefeller. Bill's connection seemed to always be through intermediaries (even during the famous Rockefeller dinner, Nelson Rockefeller substituted for his ailing father). In "AA comes of Age" Fosdick is credited with two significant items of help to AA. The first was his April 1939 review of the Big Book (contained in Appendix E of "AA Comes of Age" together with a delightful citation from his autobiography). The second major item of help was a talk he gave at the February 1940 Rockefeller dinner. Publicity from the dinner reputedly helped AA membership to double during 1940. Rockefeller and several dinner guests provided much needed outside contributions to AA up to 1945 when they were asked to stop contributing and AA declined to accept any more outside contributions.
Alcoholism sponsored by the Yale Plan for Alcohol Studies (re the October 1944 Grapevine). The September 1945 Grapevine issue (in a column titled "The Pleasures of Reading") recommended the book "On Being a Real Person" by Fosdick. The April 1946 Grapevine issue recommended the book "Great Time To Be Alive" by Fosdick. The July 1948 Grapevine again recommend "On Being a Real Person" and "Great Time To Be Alive." The 1960 "AA Today" published by the Grapevine contained an article by Fosdick titled "Those Marvelous 12 Steps." The article was republished again in the November 1975.
Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevinr1211 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:25 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Harry Emerson Fosdick
outbreak of WW I. They are really great -- he strongly believed in personal transformation and talked a lot of recovery language and emphasized the importance of fellowship. Fosdick seems to me to be very much spiritually in synch with 12 step approach. Does anyone know whether it was Harry who introduced Bill Wilson to Rockefeller? Does anyone know if Fosdick's books "The Meaning of Faith," "The Meaning of Prayer,"
and "The Meaning of Service" played a role in early AA? Thanks, Kevin IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6010. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Addicts Anonymous and All Addicts Anonymous From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/8/2009 4:22:00 PM
at the U.S. Public Health Service Hospital at Lexington.(I'm 99% sure that I got this date in Bill White's book "Slaying the Dragon".) Here is a report of the group's first year given by the secretary of Addicts Anonymous and published in the Alcoholics Anonymous Grapevine, the official magazine of the AA fellowship: A year ago, several members of the Alcoholics Anonymous Group in this vicinity approached the Medical Officer in Charge of the United States Public Health Service Hospital in Lexington, KY for the purpose of introducing an AA group into this institution. It was out of this beginning that the charter group of Addicts Anonymous was formed. The success of our organization is measured only by the success of its members in abstaining from the use of drugs, even though they may be in an environment where they are readily available. The underlying purpose of Addicts Anonymous is outlined in our preamble: Our precepts are patterned after those of Alcoholics Anonymous to which all credit is hereby given and all precedence is acknowledged.* We claim no originality but since we believe that the causes of addiction and alcoholism are basically the same, we wish to apply to our lives the truths which have benefited so many otherwise helpless alcoholics. We believe that by so doing, we may regain and maintain our health and sanity."(Grapevine, February 1948) As for the founding of All Addicts Anonymous (www.alladdictsanonymous.org) the first group started in Chappaqua NY, in the mid 1950s with members: Tom P., his son Tom P. Jr., a neurotic named Tony G., (I think Tony's wife), and a few others members. This group was originally called the "Nut Club". In the 60s Tom Sr., called the group the LifeSavers Group, and then in the early 80s he gave it the name that has stuck till this day -- All Addicts Anonymous. --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, jenny andrews wrote:
> > Intrigued to read of an Addicts Anonymous > newsletter in 1952. Did this fellowship pre-date > NA etc? > > I have recently been in email correspondence > with All Addicts Anonymous, which was only > founded a short time ago. > > Did the 1950s Addicts Anonymous group have > links with Alcoholics Anonymous? How widespread > was its membership? What happened to it? > > Laurie A. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6011. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Addicts Anonymous From: Chris Budnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/8/2009 5:13:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In 1944, Houston Sewell of Montgomery, AL got sober in Alcoholics Anonymous. Houston knew a man in Alcoholics Anonymous named Harry who drank but also used other drugs. Though Harry stopped drinking, he continued to use other drugs and eventually was arrested and sent to the United States Public Health Services Hospital (USPHSH) in Lexington, KY.1
one in Lexington, KY and the other in Fort Worth, Texas. Both facilities were established for people addicted to drugs that were convicted of offences against the Federal government. The hospitals served as both a prison and a treatment facility. What was interesting about the Lexington hospital is that a person could go there as a prisoner, probationer or a volunteer. The Lexington facility opened on May 25, 1935 and was known as Narco or the Narcotics Farm.2 Addicts Anonymous In 1947 Houston was transferred by his company to Frankfort, KY, roughly 25 miles from Lexington. Houston kept thinking about Harry. Convinced that "the twelve Suggested Steps would work as well for drugs as for alcohol if conscientiously applied," Houston approached the Medical Officer at Narco, Dr. Victor Vogel with the idea of starting a group for addicts. On February 16, 1947 the first group was held at Narco. This group was named Addicts Anonymous and continued to meet until 1966. Central to the success of Addicts Anonymous was the on-going support of members of Alcoholics Anonymous from Frankfort. Houston continued to support the meetings, which at its height boasted two meetings a week of the Men's Group, two meetings a week of the Women's Group and one combined group, until 1963. Other members of Alcoholics Anonymous who supported these meetings included Jim Music and Sterling S.
Narco, however there was frequent discussion within both Addicts Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous about membership for the narcotic addict in Alcoholics Anonymous.3,4,5 One solution to this was the establishment of meetings outside of Lexington by former patients/inmates. The effort that gained the most attention was Narcotics Anonymous in New York City, which was established by Danny Carlsen after his seventh trip to Lexington. This Narcotics Anonymous died out by the early 1960's. Reasons for this included not following the Twelve Traditions, existing for purposes other that just recovery (i.e. serving as a social service agency), affiliation with other organizations (YMCA) and not having the organizational structure to sustain existence after the death of its founding member. Another effort made by a former patient/inmate to start groups for addicts outside of the hospital was Habit Forming Drugs Group in California. This group was started by Betty Thom who left Lexington in 1950. Although not fully understood, Betty probably served as a link between Addicts Anonymous and the Narcotics Anonymous that exists today, which began in California in 1953. In the by-laws established August 17, 1953 by some members of Alcoholics Anonymous who also had a narcotic addiction and were seeking to start open meetings for addicts included the following purpose statement which originated in Addicts Anonymous and was reproduced in their newsletter The Key.
This is an informal group of addicts banded together to help one another renew our strength in remaining free of drug and alcohol addiction. Our precepts are patterned after those of Alcoholics Anonymous, to which all credit is given and precedence acknowledged. We claim no originality, but since we believe that the causes of alcoholism and addiction are basically the same, we wish to apply to our lives the truths and principles which have benefited so many otherwise helpless individuals. We believe that by doing so we may regain our health and sanity. It shall be the purpose of this group to foster means of rehabilitation for the addict, and to carry a message of hope for the future for those who have become enslaved by the use of habit-forming drugs.
he found himself in Frankfort, KY decided to apply what he knew worked in Alcoholics Anonymous to addicts. It would have been easy for him to continue his recovery within Alcoholics Anonymous; however he decided to carry the message one step further. And as a result of his dedicated service work, he helped addicts begin to see that recovery was possible through the 12-steps and through fellowship. This is really the untold and overlooked legacy of the USPHSH in Lexington. Much research into Narco has focused upon the clinical and experimental research that occurred there. However, in listening to the talk of a former patient of Narco, his saving grace came when he rejected the treatment that was being offered to him (intensive psychotherapy) and was told, "if you're not going to accept our treatment then the next best thing you can do is join AA."6 This is what this person did and he went on, like many others, to continue his recovery outside of Narco in the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous and similar fellowships. Chris B. Raleigh, NC ____________________________________ 1. Ellison, J. (August 7, 1954). These Drug Addicts Cure One Another. Saturday Evening Post, p. 22. 2. Kentucky Historical Society. Historical note contained in the Inventory of the Lexington Narcotics Farm Collection, 1930s-1970s. (Retrieved from http://205.204.134.47:2005/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/Aid&CISOPTR=1201&REC= 15 September 8, 2009.) 3. The Key (October 14, 1951 Vol. IV, No. 48) 4. The Key (May 17, 1953 Vol. VI, No. 20) 5. The Night Cap (February 1953 Vol. 3, No. 5). Narcotics and Goofballs. 6. Dr. John M. (1965). Talk given in Lake Worth, FL. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6012. . . . . . . . . . . . Alaska - First AA Groups From: Serene Rutter . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/16/2009 9:53:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Feb 1947 - Anchorage - Sourdough Group - 8 members Aug 1947 - Juneau - Totem Club - 5 members . (NOTE: The following notice was in the Anchorage Times, September 23, 1947: "PERSONALS WISH to contact members of Alcoholics Anonmous. Write Box 551, Anchorage.") . 1949 - Fairbanks - Arctic Group 1949 - Ketchikan - Tongas Group 1950 - Petersburg - Loner 1951 - Adak - Too Far West Group - 12 members 1951 - Haines - 3 members 1951 - Petersburg - 3 members (See 1950) 1952 - Whittier - Loner 1953 - Spenard - 7 members and a Loner (Spenard is now part of Anchorage.) 1953 - Valdez - Loner 1954 - Kodiak - Alano Club 1954 - Seward - 8 members 1955 - Eilson AFB (20 miles south of Fairbanks) - 7 members 1955 - Skagway - 12 members 1956 - Middleton Island - Loner . Serene Irene, Alaska serene613@yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6013. . . . . . . . . . . . Triangle and Circle From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/16/2009 11:55:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Passing on a question asked of me: "I heard that AA had previously had copyright for the triangle-in-the-circle symbol but gave it up as others began to use it to avoid conflict/legal affairs/money issues... is that right?" I am not sure whether or not all the money/copyright/etc. issues made it to the General Service Conference: might anyone have a complete set of those reports (preferably digitized)?
actions taken in the AA name? Thanks, ernie kurtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6014. . . . . . . . . . . . Photo of Wynn Laws From: Lee Carroll, CPA . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/13/2009 6:35:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Has anyone access or a link to a photo (or photos) of Wynn Laws? Thanks. Lee Carroll, CPA (805) 938-1981 - - - - From the moderator: I assume that you are referring to Wynn Corum Laws? See photo of Wynn Corum in http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-otherwomen.html For more about her, see http://westbalto.a-1associates.com/HISTORY_PAGE/Authors.htm Wynn Corum Laws, Big Book story "Freedom From Bondage"
in the Big Book, she married her fifth husband, George Laws."
Varieties of Religious Experiences From: allan_gengler . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/11/2009 11:55:00 AM
it in a previous post with a search. If you're interested in reading William James' "The Varieties of Religious Experience" you can find the complete text online at:
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- - - - From the moderator: And there are also a number of other places where one can find the full text online, some with type which is easier to read than others.
Manuscript Up for Auction From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/16/2009 11:04:00 PM
> > everywhere in the manuscript. He sure had a LOT to say about edits > > to our book. In addition, two other doctors I have never before > > heard referenced as contributors of Big Book suggestions list (Dr. > > Witherspoon & Dr. Bevoise [sp?]) are also found here.
wrote in response: > > Bill,
> > Thanks for your observations...my spine was tingling! > > I found the following Dr's that might fit your question: > > Dr James Wainwright Howard from Montclair, NJ graduated P&S in 1919 > Dr Charles Russell Witherspoon from Rochester, NY graduated Uof P in > 1898
> No mention of a Dr. Bevoise [any spelling]) in NY, NJ or CT in 1936 > > Doug B. - - - - The full text of Bill Schaberg's message no. 4377: > > I went down to Sotheby's today to take a long look at the Original > > Manuscript copy that they will be auctioning off on Thursday, June > > 21st. This is the OM copy where Hank, Ruth, Bill, and others > > recorded ALL of the suggestions that they received for edits before > > actually printing the first edition of the Big Book. It is an > > important historical document on many levels, but most importantly, > > I think, because it shows who made some of the suggestions and also > > allows you to see the suggestions that our founders did NOT take > > when editing the Big Book. > >
> > NOTE: I was privileged with a private viewing of this copy of the > > Original Manuscript because I had assisted the cataloger in his > > write up of the history of the Original Manuscript printings – > > which, with the 13 photos, takes up 11½ pages of the catalog. While > > I had only 20 minutes to look at this piece when it was first > > auctioned off in June of 2004, this time Sotheby's allowed me over > > two hours to examine this important copy and it was a truly amazing > > two hours! What a piece of AA history! > > > > Just a couple of highlights. > > > > The original front cover of this copy is stamped in black > > ink: "LOANED COPY" – something I have heard about but never seen > > before. {Note: this copy is missing the original back cover along > > with the two pages of "Index" usually found in these copies.) > >
> > The reverse side (verso) of the title page has a long handwritten > > note on it (see photo in lower left on page 224 of the Sotheby's > > catalog). This note continues onto the verso of another loose piece > > of paper that is also included here (but not pictured in the > > catalog). > >
> > This is the manuscript copy of four paragraphs that were inserted > > into "Bill's Story." The paragraphs in question are the first four > > complete paragraphs found on page 12 of our basic text – starting > > with "Despite…" and ending with "…would!" These additions – > > certainly the largest edit to the Big Book immediately before it was > > published – include some extremely important AA precepts, not least > > of which is the italicized quote: "Why don't you choose your own > > conception of God?" > > > > This manuscript section is not in Bill's hand. I suspect (especially > > given the free use of abbreviations) that it was written there by > > Ruth Hock – either transcribed from Bill's notes or taken down from > > dictation. > >
> > Once again, I noticed that the name of Doctor Howard was just about > > everywhere in the manuscript. He sure had a LOT to say about edits > > to our book. In addition, two other doctors I have never before > > heard referenced as contributors of Big Book suggestions list (Dr. > > Witherspoon & Dr. Bevoise [sp?]) are also found here. > >
> > The Manuscript is littered with several comments that seem to be > > rather off-handed. One noted that something was "too groupy," i.e. > > Oxford Groupy. But, my favorite was opposite the first three > > paragraphs currently found on page 80 of the Big Book about making > > amends: "Dangerous for the NUTS – some could go higher than a kite." > >
> > And there is some real history here. On the pages containing the > > dropped story "Ace Full – Seven – Eleven," Bill has written the > > author's name (something which has not been, to my knowledge, so far > > discovered) and includes a short comment on why the story has been > > dropped. (I will refrain from sharing that information here since it > > rightly belongs to the owner of this copy of the Original > > Manuscript.) > >
> > Finally, it is interesting to note that none of the suggested > > changes to Dr. Bob's story were taken. Someone – in an effort to cut > > the text – had advised deleting three paragraphs and Dr. Howard > > wanted the last line of his story to read: "Your FAITH will never > > let you down!" Bob, obviously, thought the story should remain `as > > is.'
> > > > If you are anywhere within driving distance of New York City, I > > would advise you to make a trip there this coming Friday, June 15th > > through Wednesday, June 20th to see this remarkable piece of our > > history and to "put your hands on the Book." It was a very moving > > experience for both me and my sponsor who joined me for this trip! > > > > Old Bill IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6017. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Triangle and Circle From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/16/2009 7:02:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Truth of what happened to The Triangle In The Circle From Rick T., Area 20 Archivist, Illinois
triangle logo! It's just not the "official" trade mark for Alcoholics Anonymous anymore...Since 1993, lawyers advised the General Service Board that the copyright on the logo was unenforceable. I remember the reports generating out of the Board and an Ad Hoc Committee meeting in January 1993 (two months before the General Service Conference). The Ad Hoc committee of Delegates and Trustees (chosen from a cross-section of AA Regions) came to the conclusion that recommended a simple
phrase replacing it in all the AAWS printing and publications from the Conference forward "This is A.A. General Service Conference-approved literature." The Conference also agreed with this idea, and by the beginning of May 1993 a notice was sent out by the General Service Board that AAWS, Inc. would discontinue the use of the Circle and Triangle logo in its then-existing formats (1) blank, 2) with "AA" in the center of the triangle, 3) with "AA" and General Service Conference on the outside of the triangle, and 4) "AA" and Recovery, Unity, Service outside the triangle - those were accepted uses by AA through that 1993 announcement). The logo had been used officially from 1957 to 1993, and that's thirty-six years of uncontested usage - until the General Service Board thought to ask the medallion and coin makers to "cease and desist" using it. For a time in 1991-92 the coin manufacturers complied (to this member, with unsightly results...), but somewhere in 1992 decided to re-negotiate and contest the Board's position. Not that the case ever went to trial as a violation of copyright law; advice to the Board was that the copyright was either not renewed (in 1976, the Big Book copyright was unfortunately not renewed by an oversight error of omission in legal advice to the GSB, too!) or completely unenforceable, perhaps due to the compliance of the coin makers not using it (some who claimed or threatened to claim their own copyright in the coin formats, etc.). To remedy a pretty bad legal situation, the Conference heard the recommendation of simply using the 'conference-approved' phrase on literature. Where
much discussion for a few years centered on AA going into the business of minting its own coins (definitely an outside issue), and suing the coin makers (against the 'spirit and letter' of the 12 Concepts for World Service--avoiding lawsuits whenever possible), the "catch-22" choices were evident, and the Conference recommendation was a workable solution. I have a friend and past Delegate who is also a lawyer, and he shared with me, that if anyone can put together a terrible process of lawsuits, it's us...no wonder we are advised against litigation, especially on outside issues. Did you know that upside down, the blank logo is the symbol for an air raid shelter? We had even found the same circle and triangle on manhole covers in Illinois (old ones from the Elgin City Water Dept.). You can imagine
the view that any copyright court might take on this if we had followed through with long litigation - it would almost be the question asked "are you joking?"
Today we can have a bit of fun discussing our use and its current "unofficial" status. The official logo was a beautiful part of our past, when the
1993 Conference also allowed that many AAs, AA events, etc. would still be using our circle and triangle logo, and there would be no interference in that. Of course, now we don't "own" the logo, but as far as I know, no one does... Perhaps you'll use it in the same spirit used in our past years, but don't worry about infringing on another's copyright. Use your own judgment, seek an informal consensus, but lightly take the above ideas into consideration. The circle and triangle is not "banned by A.A.," just discontinued since 1993 as a trademark.
_Index of AA History Pages on Barefoot's Domain_ (http://www.barefootsworld.net/aahistory.html)
Conventions From: Mae H. . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2009 6:14:00 PM
member. Could someone tell me what the previous locations of the International Conventions were?
Mae
From the moderator: An account of each of the previous AA International Conventions is given at http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/internationalconvention.htm Those are very good accounts, and they make very interesting reading. The list of sites is as follows: 1950 Cleveland 1955 St. Louis 1960 Long Beach 1965 Toronto 1970 Miami 1975 Denver 1980 New Orleans 1985 Montreal 1990 Seattle 1995 San Diego 2000 Minneapolis 2005 Toronto 2010 San Antonio
From: Billlwhite@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/18/2009 11:59:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Has anyone run across any document verifying the closing date of the Charles B. Towns Hospital for the Treatment of Drug and Alcoholic Addictions? Bill White IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6020. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: History of the AA International Conventions From: Jay G. . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/18/2009 5:11:00 AM
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> The list of sites is as follows: > > 1950 Cleveland > 1955 St. Louis > 1960 Long Beach > 1965 Toronto > 1970 Miami > 1975 Denver > 1980 New Orleans > 1985 Montreal > 1990 Seattle > 1995 San Diego > 2000 Minneapolis > 2005 Toronto > 2010 San Antonio >
From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/18/2009 3:21:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am the recently-appointed archivist for the Cleveland District Office a.k.a. Cleveland Central Office. Archives have never had a very high priority at that office until recently. So over the years attrition of what few archival items and records were stored has withered our collection to just a very few boxes.
willing to part with or copy and to send to us, we will take due care that they will be safeguarded and available to researchers in the decades to come. I will be at the National AA Archives workshop in California at the end of this month, or they can be sent to us at:
seeking missing issues of the Cleveland Central Bulletin as part of a project to scan these and get them onto a searchable CD. I am hoping that they can again help me in this new endeavor. Bob McK. E-MAIL ADDRESS: (bobnotgod2 at att.net) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6022. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: William James, online text of Varieties of Religious Experiences From: aadavidi . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/17/2009 10:14:00 PM
are in the public domain. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6023. . . . . . . . . . . . First AA in North Carolina, 1939 From: mrpetesplace . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/19/2009 1:05:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Alcoholics Anonymous In North Carolina Sept. 20, 2009, Shelby will be commemorating 70 years of Alcoholics Anonymous in North Carolina.
http://aastuff.com/district13workshop.htm Bill W. talks about his visit in a Lecture in 1944 at http://aastuff.com/lecture29.htm Scroll down a little more than half of page to the paragraph that starts with:
"I would like to tell, in conclusion..." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6024. . . . . . . . . . . . A photo of Bill W., Hank P., and Ruth Hock together From: erb2b . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/18/2009 5:23:00 PM
am involved with are doing a picture project for a club.
and Ruth Hock, the three of them together, they can email to us?
the newcomers there as part of the learning process.
one to me at: THX! Corey F. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6025. . . . . . . . . . . . Defects vs shortcomings From: Lee Carroll . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/18/2009 8:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I thought I had seen, years ago, somewhere in print, an alleged comment by Bill W. that when asked what was the difference between character defects and shortcomings between step 6 and 7, that he replied "I didn't mean any difference, I just didn't want to repeat myself using the same word twice, I didn't think that was good writing," or something to that effect. I could have sworn I read it somewhere, but now I can't find it in "As Bill Sees It" or "AA Comes of Age" or "Pass It On."
that statement that Bill W. is supposed to have made? A book and a page number?
Wainwright Howard From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/19/2009 5:00:00 PM
indicating that Dr James Wainwright Howard from Montclair, New Jersey was probably the "Dr. Howard" who made such useful comments on the multilith draft of the Big Book.
by John Barton (jax760 at yahoo.com) three days ago: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6016 John Barton sent this corroborative information on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:18 PM to "Glenn Chesnut" (glennccc at sbcglobal.net) "Ernest Kurtz" (kurtzern at umich.edu) "Arthur Sheehan" (artsheehan at msn.com) "J. Lobdell" (jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) "BBSGSONJ" (BBSGSONJ at aol.com) Today I read about a Dr. C. E. Howard in Bill White's "Slaying the Dragon," and wondered if this might be the mysterious "Dr. Howard" who made such useful comments on the multilith draft of the Big Book.
alcoholic psychoses I was at first sure I had in fact found "The Dr. Howard," but then I stumbled on a short biography of James Wainwright Howard, which is definitely our elusive Dr. Howard as he is all over Essex County New Jersey and Montclair.
the "Biographical Directory Of Fellows and Members of the American Psychiatric Association." A copy of it may be seen at: http://hindsfoot.org/docu1.html As I am nearby I may go and check the records at Mountainside Hospital. Doug B. originally posted the name of Dr James Wainwright Howard from Montclair, New Jersey as a suggestion several years back, but it seems his lead went unpursued. I think we should nevertheless give Doug B. the credit for the find! The rest of us were at fault for not following up on his suggestion.
RE: Dr. Howard has been found! Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:53 AM
Archives to see if they can confirm? I believe Merton was originally of the viewpoint that "Dr Howard" was an alias. Cheers Arthur
From: "John Barton" RE: Dr. Howard has been found! Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:33 PM
advise all of you of her response. I wouldn't be surprised if they had no more information on the good doctor than we had, or Merton would have found it.
To: Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2009 11:57 am Subject: RE: Dr. Howard has been found! John - Hello and warm greetings from GSO Archives! Thank you for thoughtfully passing along this information to us! At times we are asked to identify particular places, people or events described in our literature and particularly by Bill. This information is certainly useful.
RE: Dr. Howard has been found! Friday, September 18, 2009 10:24 AM
a while back but was put off by his 1930 Census listing as a physician in general practice.
Pittsburgh, graduated from Yale in 1914 (which the bio Jack Barton sent in told us), got his M.D. in NYC in 1919 (ditto). His father Abner Updegraff Howard (a Yale graduate) was an executive with Pittsburgh Glass, but JW was left an orphan early on, living first with his Aunt Mary and Uncle Frank Hunter in Norristown, Pennsylvania in 1900 and then with his older brother Morton (Yale 1905) in Yonkers in 1910.
any connection with Bill Wilson before 1939: here's what I've found. First, no connection through his college roommates, Gerry [Gerard or Gerald] Jackson or Ralph and George Semler; second, JW's sister Esther married Edward Anthony, later (1942-52) publisher of the Woman's Home Companion, and before that at least from 1933 to 1942 with Crowell, the publishers of the WHC. I believe Ed Anthony (like Bill W b. 1895 d. 1971, I think) was at least an occasional habitue of Stewart's Cafeteria. Moreover, he had worked in his younger days on the same paper on which worked Joseph Hooker W (who is supposed to have said "Not Anonymous Alcoholics -- Alcoholics Anonymous!").
Adler in 1929) so there might have been a connection through Emily Stro[e]bel, Bill's mother, but I have found no evidence on that. And I have found no evidence on JW's career after 1944, tho' I have written the Yale Alumni Archives to see what they have.
Re: Dr. Howard has been found! Friday, September 18, 2009 10:56 AM
was from The Biographical Directory Of Fellows and Members of the American Psychiatric Association. The full PDF of this document was 96 MB.
man. The Bio has him as Ch. (Chief) of several teams or committees, the N.P. I believe stands for Neurology, Psychiatry or Neuro-psychiatry. God Bless, PS - - - - From: "BBSGSONJ@aol.com" Re: Dr. Howard has been found! Friday, September 18, 2009 11:05 AM
more likely have been through one of two Montclair Residents; Hank Parkhurst or Harry Brick both sober at the time the manuscript was complete in December of 1938. My money would go on Hank. Having been treated so many times himself for his illness, and being a resident within Mountainside Hospital's immediate vicinity it is very possible that the good doctor may have treated Hank profes- sionally as an attending N.P at Mountainside 34-41.
- - - - From: "BBSGSONJ@aol.com" Re: Dr. Howard has been found! Friday, September 18, 2009 11:13 AM
zation in 1938; i.e. the story of "Fred" in the big book. This could have brought the boys in contact with the good doctor. God Bless John Barton - - - - From: "J. Lobdell" RE: Dr. Howard has been found! Friday, September 18, 2009 12:36 PM
I would hazard a guess that Dr. Howard was consulted for editing as much as for psychiatric knowledge, and given Bill's general predilection for consulting people he picked rather than those picked by others (and what was his feeling for Hank and his friends ca Jan 1939?), and his liking for the magazine literati (so to speak), I'd still be inclined to say Dr. Howard was Bill's idea rather than Hank's, and might well have been suggested by his brother-in-law. But you may find an indication that Hank was indeed treated by Dr. Howard, which would be important. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6027. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who suffered from grave emotional and mental disorders? From: glennccc . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/20/2009 1:06:00 PM
(jamesewilliams at suddenlink.net) Just look at Bill Wilson and the problems he had. - - - - From: Glenn Chesnut (glennccc at sbcglobal.net) Can you give us any sources from the 1938 to 1939 period indicating that Bill Wilson was regarded by the other AA people as someone who had psychological problems so severe that it put him in a special category with just a few other early AA people? That there was much more wrong with him, in other words, than just being an alcoholic? Some kind of psychiatric problem which competent psychiatrists had put a name on, where he had been officially diagnosed as being schizophrenic, manic depressive, a psychopath, or something else of that sort?
(jamesewilliams at suddenlink.net) I was referring to the 10 yr depression that Bill himself refers to. This is referred to not only by Bill but also in other AA references.
Bill got into (the LSD, etc.) although those are also well known and cited often.
problems in this area, as most of us have. - - - - Original message from "katiebartlett79" > > Hi,
> > Katie from Barking Big Book study, The Way Out. > > Chapter 5, How It Works, first paragraph: > "There are those, too, who suffer from grave > emotional and mental disorders, but many of > them do recover if they have the capacity to > be honest." > > In the period before the Big Book was written, > do we know the names of any specific people > who got sober in AA in spite of the fact that > they suffered from "grave emotional and mental > disorders"? > > On what specific experience(s) were they > basing this statement? > > Thanks > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6028. . . . . . . . . . . . Background: Dr. Howard question (Part 1 of 3) From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/20/2009 2:21:00 PM
messages which will help in providing some of the background to the work that has been done on trying to identify Dr. Howard. To summarize the basic issues and possibilities discussed:
that this might be Dr James Wainwright Howard from Montclair, New Jersey. John Barton has now uncovered additional evidence supporting this.
the Montclair City Directory from 1937-1940 revealed no Dr. Howard," which made him believe that "its quite likely that [the name Dr. Howard] was a pseudonym."
by suggesting that "Dr. Howard" might then actually have been Marcus A. Curry, Chief at the NJ State Asylum for the Insane at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives).
5834) suggested that there's the possibility (given the "Dr. Howard") that it might be Dr. Howard W. S. Potter (1892-1984), of New York (Letchworth Village), a native-born Jerseyan.
identify the people mentioned in the Big Book say that the "prominent psychiatrist" referred to on page 163 of the Big Book was Dr. Howard of Montclair, the Chief Psychiatrist for the State of New Jersey. BIG BOOK page 163: "We know of an A.A. member who was living in a large community. He had lived there but a few weeks when he found that the place probably contained more alcoholics per square mile than any city in the country. This was only a few days ago at this writing. (1939) The authorities were much concerned. He got in touch with a prominent psychiatrist who had under- taken certain responsibilities for the mental health of the community. The doctor proved to be able and exceedingly anxious to adopt any workable method of handling the situation. So he inquired, what did our friend have on the ball?" "Our friend proceeded to tell him. And with such good effect that the doctor agreed to a test among his patients and certain other alcoholics from a clinic which he attends. Arrangements were also made with the chief psychiatrist of a large public hospital to select still others from the stream of misery which flows through that institution."
Big Book say: (Big Book p. 163) "an A.A. member who was living in a large community" referred to Hank Parkhurst in Montclair, New Jersey. "A prominent psychiatrist" there was Dr. Howard of Montclair, who was the Chief Psychiatrist for the State of New Jersey. (Big Book p. 163) "Arrangements were also made with the chief psychiatrist of a large public hospital" referred to Dr. Russell E. Blaisdell and the Rockland State Hospital near Orangeburg, New York.
critique of the early draft of the Big Book which was circulated in multilith form.
May 28, 2003 Any information on Dr Howard, a well-known psychiatrist from Montclair, New Jersey, who helped with the multilith?
Mar 13, 2004 MEMOIRS OF JIMMY: THE EVOLUTION OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS By Jim Burwell Hank and Bill finally decided on the name "Alcoholics Anonymous" in the latter
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