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District) 5 of the "State" of [Eastern] Pennsylvania (Western Pennsylvania was considered a separate "State"). But the Reading region would have been in the Harrisburg "Area" (as we now call it), and Dick wanted to be Delegate from the whole of (Eastern) Pennsylvania -- and he was, and Bill's desire for three Pennsylvania Areas goes unfulfilled to this day. Not only was Dick elected Delegate for 1955-56, but he was instrumental in the election of most of the delegates in the 1960s, including both Ted R. and Lou R. (and Paul O., who worked for him, and indeed just about every Delegate from Eastern PA until Lenore M. in 1971-2 -- I think those were her dates). Moreover, there are still
active members of A.A. in Eastern PA who knew Dick C., including one who was once his sponsor. But of course Dick's also important for his rehab and his foundation. More later -- JL
> From: cm53@earthlink.net > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:00:05 -0400 > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: African-American Participation in AA Meetings > > Louis R. was a very important figure in our Area 59 history. He > traveled the state in the early 60's--encouraging and facilitating > the process of setting up the state service structure. He travelled > with Ted Rothchild-who was then the Area delegate and Dick Caron. > (Dick's importance in Pennsylvania AA history is a whole other > story...perhaps Jared could chime in here! ) > > Lou became the Area 59 delegate for '66/'67, and was a personal > friend of Bill W. Mary, his widow, is still VERY active in Al-Anon, > and has 53 years, I believe (may be wrong on this one). Lou's son and grandson are also AA members. > > I interviewed her in the late 90's, and she donated some of Lou's > papers and a tape of him speaking at the 16th Indiana State > Convention in April, 1968. > > Some of the correspondence concerned a shameful > incident where the committee of a Delaware State > Convention (I think) wanted to deny a black > speaker .... And this was the late '60's. Louis > cited the 3rd Tradition -- the letters flew > back-and-forth, with the result that Louis did > end up speaking--but he was VERY hurt. > > I passed these papers and tape on to the then Eastern PA Archivist, > but don't know where they are now. > > Cindy Miller > Philadelphia, PA > > - - - - > > On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:36 PM, J. Lobdell wrote: > > > > Lou R., African-American, was elected Delegate > > from Eastern PA to the General Service Conference > > before 1970. His widow, Mary, may still be > > alive (she was a frequent and always welcomed > > Al-Anon speaker). The Archivist for Area 59 AA > > (Eastern Pennsylvania) might have information > > on Lou. > >
From: Jim Brock . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/20/2009 2:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I recently heard a talk recorded at Cannes, France, Primary Purpose Group (June 2003?) where an intro that was described as the 'original' AA preamble was read.
powerless over alcohol. and unable to do anything about it without the help of a power greater than ourselves."
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of victoria callaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:14 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Early AA meeting formats
anything about early AA meeting formats and could I find out any info about them. Anyone have any info on this? thanks God bless vicki
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5791. . . . . . . . . . . . "People places things" From: Jon Markle . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/21/2009 9:45:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Where does the concept of powerlessness over "people, places and things" come from? Hugs for the trudge. Jon (Raleigh) 9/9/82
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permanent." (M.McLaughlin) "You know, I occasionally watch those preachers on the Christian TV stations. I always think to myself: How can I believe your theology when I can't believe your hair?" (Patricia Clarkson)
From: rick tompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/21/2009 9:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Over time I've read and heard that AA's earliest meeting formats varied greatly but the intros, preambles, and readings were much shorter. Before the Big Book, a prayer was usually spoken by one of the group's members and then it went straight into discussion. After the Big Book was in use in Chicago, the prayer format was replaced by a short, silent Quiet Time---kinda simplified matters, didn't it? I've found a compelling early 1940s "preamble" from the Peoria, Illinois group that mixed the BB Preface and bits of links to God in it. It was an entire page long Typed single-spaced) and took over five minutes to read out loud.
1947 AA Grapevine's suggested text (also derived from the Preface).
reported here at our egroup (Texas' comes to mind). Many groups read (and still read) from the first two pages of Chapter Three's "More About Alcoholism" and it's been previously reported here at AAhistorylovers that early California groups began the practice of reading the Steps through '.if He were sought' from "How It Works" ---the same as today. The "AA Thought For the Day" from the 24 Hours book stayed in use since it was distributed nationally (late 1950s prevalence) and is still in use here in Illinois at many meetings.
different parts of the country but it's unpredictable around here today for either.
"Daily Reflections" this year? That reading will eventually be added to the pre-discussion mix.
mid-1940s, share that the closed discussions were a kind of "check-in" reporting time with members sharing on any particular issues of their day (or their week). It was a kind of random sharing and there was always encouragement from all for both the sober AAs and the newcomers when relating to recovery. Members stuck to sharing experience and stayed away from blatant advice. Fortunately this still happens today at meetings I participate in, even when a meeting is topic-driven, speaker-led, or open to random sharing.
to add to any meeting's discussion, right? Also, the Lord's Prayer closed the earliest meetings around the U.S.---I see and appreciate this as a 'best practice' that continues today. Amusingly, and in my own sobriety, I've heard it said that "you're never late to an AA meeting unless you miss the Lord's Prayer." Rick, Illinois From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brock Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 1:15 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] Early AA meeting formats
(June 2003?) where an intro that was described as the 'original' AA preamble was read. "We are gathered here because we are faced with the fact that we are powerless over alcohol. and unable to do anything about it without the help of a power greater than ourselves." I will transcribe it. Jim B.
California Central Coast From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:14 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Early AA meeting formats At our BB study tonite I was asked if I knew anything about early AA meeting formats and could I find out any info about them. Anyone have any info on this? thanks God bless vicki
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5793. . . . . . . . . . . . Big Book writing time line From: lambchopp@gmail.com> . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/22/2009 8:03:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am a member of the primary Purpose group in Lake Villa IL. We would like to know if Bill Wilson wrote "Bills Story" after the first draft of the book or before? Gratefully, Bill L Antioch, IL IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5794. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Early AA meeting formats From: Mike Barns . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/22/2009 9:37:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This sounds like the so-called "Texas Preamble" which opens: Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.
powerless over alcohol, and are unable to do anything about it without the help of a Power greater than ourselves.
affair, and the simple purpose of the program of AA is to show what may be done to enlist the aid of a Power greater than ourselves, regardless of what our individual conception of that Power may be. Mike Barns On Jun 22, 2009, at Jun 22, 2009 8:18 AM, AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com wrote: > "We are gathered here because we are faced with the fact that we are > powerless over alcohol. and unable to do anything about it without > the help > of a power greater than ourselves." >
From: johnlawlee@yahoo.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/22/2009 10:20:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The cliche "people, places and things" comes from the Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous, specifically page 15 of the Sixth Edition. It's not found in the AA literature, and it is contradictory to the AA message. The NA Basic Text converts the three pertinent ideas of the BIg Book to "three disturbing realizations." The
third "disturbing realization" is , "we can no longer blame people, places and
things for our addiction." The treatment industry has gotten ahold of the NA language and converted it to a claim that "we are [supposedly] powerless over people, places and things"
or even worse, that "we should avoid people, places and things." The "people places things" cliche is absent from the basic literature of AA; more importantly, the cliche is contradictory to the AA message. Page 102
of the Big Book assures us, "...any scheme...which proposes to shield the sick
man from temptation is doomed...he usually winds up with a bigger explosion..." The Big Book also indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132
of the AA basic text promises, "We have recovered, and been given the power to help others." Nothing in the basic literature of AA says we're powerless. The FIrst Step doesn't say we're powerless. It's in the past tense, The FIrst Step says that we WERE powerless, that we USED TO BE powerless [before taking all 12 Steps]. The Big Book further indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132 of the Big Book promises, "we have recovered and been the power to help others." To claim that "we stay powerless" , or that "we'll always be powerless" is the exact opposite of the AA message. love+service John Lee
Pittsburgh--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Jon Markle From: Jon Markle Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] "People places things" To: "AAHistoryLovers" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:45 PM Where does the concept of powerlessness over "people, places and things" come from? Hugs for the trudge. Jon (Raleigh) 9/9/82
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permanent." (M.McLaughlin) "You know, I occasionally watch those preachers on the Christian TV stations. I always think to myself: How can I believe your theology when I can't believe your hair?" (Patricia Clarkson)
From: barefootbill@optonline.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/22/2009 2:08:00 PM
(originally chapter 1) & "Bill's Story" (originally chapter 2). These were the only two chapters we had in the beginning & were the two chapters shown to Harpers Publishing before AA chose to publish the book themselves. These two chapters were probably written in late May or early June of 1938 & the rest of the BB chapters probably started being written in September 1938. Just Love, Barefoot Bill (from NJ) & Bill S. (from CT) ----- Original Message ----- From: lambchopp@gmail.com Date: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:19 pm Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Big Book writing time line To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> would like to know if Bill Wilson wrote "Bills Story" after the > first draft of the book or before? > > Gratefully, Bill L > Antioch, IL > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5797. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "People places things" From: James Flynn . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/22/2009 2:29:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The phrase can be found in the Al-Anon literature specifically the ODATT Daily
Meditation Book. It does not come from the much maligned treatment industry! Sincerely, Jim F. --- On Mon, 6/22/09, johnlawlee@yahoo.com From: johnlawlee@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] "People places things" To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 7:20 AM The cliche "people, places and things" comes from the Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous, specifically page 15 of the Sixth Edition. It's not found in the AA literature, and it is contradictory to the AA message. The NA Basic Text converts the three pertinent ideas of the BIg Book to "three disturbing realizations. " The
third "disturbing realization" is , "we can no longer blame people, places and
things for our addiction." The treatment industry has gotten ahold of the NA language and converted it to a claim that "we are [supposedly] powerless over people, places and things"
or even worse, that "we should avoid people, places and things." The "people places things" cliche is absent from the basic literature of AA; more importantly, the cliche is contradictory to the AA message. Page 102
of the Big Book assures us, "...any scheme...which proposes to shield the sick
man from temptation is doomed...he usually winds up with a bigger explosion... " The Big Book also indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132 of the AA basic text promises, "We have recovered, and been given the power to help others." Nothing in the basic literature of AA says we're powerless. The FIrst Step doesn't say we're powerless. It's in the past tense, The FIrst Step says that we WERE powerless, that we USED TO BE powerless [before taking all 12 Steps]. The Big Book further indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132 of the Big Book promises, "we have recovered and been the power to help others." To claim that "we stay powerless" , or that "we'll always be powerless" is the exact opposite of the AA message. love+service John Lee
Pittsburgh-- - On Sun, 6/21/09, Jon Markle From: Jon Markle Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] "People places things" To: "AAHistoryLovers" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:45 PM Where does the concept of powerlessness over "people, places and things" come from? Hugs for the trudge. Jon (Raleigh) 9/9/82
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permanent." (M.McLaughlin) "You know, I occasionally watch those preachers on the Christian TV stations. I always think to myself: How can I believe your theology when I can't believe your hair?" (Patricia Clarkson)
From: James Flynn . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/22/2009 3:20:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The notion that we are "powerless over people places and things" comes directly
from Al-Anon and has nothing to do with avoiding anything. It is all about acceptance of other people's, things or situations as autonomous. A similiar concept promoted by Al-Anon is known as "the three C's." That is I didn't cause
it, I can't control it and I can't cure it. It is the conclusion that one reaches when one aknowledges their limitations and finally understands that certain things have to be left in God's hands. You could say it is the realization that I am not God and that pretending otherwise is just inviting another lesson in futility. Basically it's about letting GO and letting God, rather than playing God. Jim F. --- On Mon, 6/22/09, johnlawlee@yahoo.com From: johnlawlee@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] "People places things" To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 7:20 AM The cliche "people, places and things" comes from the Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous, specifically page 15 of the Sixth Edition. It's not found in the AA literature, and it is contradictory to the AA message. The NA Basic Text converts the three pertinent ideas of the BIg Book to "three disturbing realizations. " The
third "disturbing realization" is , "we can no longer blame people, places and
things for our addiction." The treatment industry has gotten ahold of the NA language and converted it to a claim that "we are [supposedly] powerless over people, places and things"
or even worse, that "we should avoid people, places and things." The "people places things" cliche is absent from the basic literature of AA; more importantly, the cliche is contradictory to the AA message. Page 102
of the Big Book assures us, "...any scheme...which proposes to shield the sick
man from temptation is doomed...he usually winds up with a bigger explosion... " The Big Book also indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132 of the AA basic text promises, "We have recovered, and been given the power to help others." Nothing in the basic literature of AA says we're powerless. The FIrst Step doesn't say we're powerless. It's in the past tense, The FIrst Step says that we WERE powerless, that we USED TO BE powerless [before taking all 12 Steps]. The Big Book further indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132 of the Big Book promises, "we have recovered and been the power to help others." To claim that "we stay powerless" , or that "we'll always be powerless" is the exact opposite of the AA message. love+service John Lee
Pittsburgh-- - On Sun, 6/21/09, Jon Markle From: Jon Markle Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] "People places things" To: "AAHistoryLovers" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:45 PM Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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