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Do we have any idea on AA recovery rates nowadays? ______________________________ From the moderator G.C. Yes, the New York A.A. office carried out Triennial Membership Surveys during
the period 1977 through 1989, which show that, of those people who are in their
first month of attending A.A. meetings, 26% will still be attending A.A. meetings at the end of that year. Also, of those who are in their fourth month of attending A.A. meetings (i.e.,
those who have completed their initial ninety days, and have thereby demonstrated a certain willingness to really try the program), 56% will still be attending A.A. meetings at the end of that year. For more details, see: "Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) Recovery Outcome Rates: Contemporary Myth and Misinterpretation" (January 1, 2008), by Arthur S. (Arlington, Texas), Tom E. (Wappingers Falls, New York), and Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana). as Adobe Acrobat PDF file http://hindsfoot.org/recout01.pdf or as an MS Word DOC file http://hindsfoot.org/recout01.doc IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6411. . . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book and the World''s Best Sellers
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/27/2010 2:01:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: Harriet Dodd How many copies of the Big Book (editions 1-4 in total) have been published to date? How many copies of the 4th edition have been printed and sold since its appearance in 2001? How does this compare with the total number of copies that have been sold of the
Bible and similar types of worldwide books? ______________________________ From the moderator G.C., see the list of best-selling books at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books The Bible has been around for centuries and centuries. It is estimated that anywhere from 2.5 billion to more than 6 billion copies have been produced. There have only been two other books up in that league: It is estimated that 800 million copies of the Koran have been produced since it
was written fourteen centuries ago. It is estimated that 800 million to 900 million copies of Mao Zedong's Little Red Book (Quotations from Chairman Mao) were actually bought (although 6.5 billion copies were printed, two thirds of them, roughly, are still sitting on shelves unsold). Some other interesting books which are up there in the major leagues are: Charles Dickens, "A Tale of Two Cities" J. R. R. Tolkien, "The Lord of the Rings" H. Rider Haggard, "She" Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "Le Petit Prince" (The Little Prince) Dan Brown, "The Da Vinci Code" Beatrix Potter, "The Tale of Peter Rabbit" Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace" Louise Hay, "You Can Heal Your Life" (a modern New Thought book, a bit like the A.A. classics Emmet Fox's "Sermon on the Mount" and James Allen, "As a Man Thinketh") This internet article says that 30 million copies of the Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book have been sold.
Jacqueline Susann, "Valley of the Dolls" Margaret Mitchell, "Gone with the Wind" Anne Frank, "The Diary of Anne Frank" Collenn McCullough, "The Thorn Birds"
and
St. Augustine don't make it onto this list of best sellers at all. The moral we can draw from this list, is that the importance and influence of a book often has no correlation to the number of copies that were sold. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6412. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The outlaw safe cracker From: elephant_7 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/25/2010 10:58:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From James R., rriley9945, james.scarpine, and Ben Humphreys - - - - The "outlaw safe cracker" is one in a series of references: the "retired business man," the "sighing minister," the "politicians and reformers," the "outlaw safe cracker," and finally "the alcoholic." It seems most likely to me that each of these references points not to a specific historical figure but to an accepted "type" that would have been recognizable to the common reader of the time.
referent of this quote, I'd be inclined to look to popular media representations of criminals who feel that society has wronged them prior to 1939. There are probably many newspaper stories, films, and radio programs that feature this character type.
(rriley9945 at aol.com) There is a famous fictional safecracker, Jimmy Valentine, as the central character in the famous O. Henry story "A Retrieved Reformation." This is a fairly well known story and would have been also known back in 1938/1939.
of cirrhosis of the liver, complications of diabetes and an enlarged heart). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._Henry His short story "A Retrieved Reformation" <<... tells the tale of safecracker Jimmy Valentine, recently freed from prison. He goes to a town bank to check it over before he robs it. As he walks to the door, he catches the eye of the banker's beautiful daughter. They immediately fall in love and Valentine decides
to give up his criminal career. He moves into the town, taking up the identity
of Ralph Spencer, a shoemaker. Just as he is about to leave to deliver his specialized tools to an old associate, a lawman who recognizes him arrives at the bank. Jimmy and his fiancée and her family are at the bank, inspecting a new safe, when a child accidentally gets locked inside the airtight vault. Knowing it will seal his fate, Valentine opens the safe to rescue the child. However, the lawman lets him go.>> http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/1891/ - - - - From: "planternva2000" (james.scarpine at verizon.net) WILLIE SUTTON: http://www.banking.com/aba/profile_0397.htm "Though he was to gain his fame as a bank robber, his first experience in unauthorized withdrawals from banks and jewelry stores was learned at the knee of a crook named 'Doc' Tate, an expert safecracker. In time, Sutton went on his own with another partner, still cracking safes with all the traditional burglar tools of his day plus a few of his own invention." "Sutton's technique, with its variations, was used to take roughly 100 banks over a career spanning from the late 1920s to Sutton's final arrest in 1952--with a number of prison terms in between."
http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/sutton/sutton.htm It's probably safe to say he was well known in 1938. If Sutton was Bill's 'outlaw safecracker' who were the 'retired business man,
the minister, the politicians and reformers' mentioned in the same paragraph? - - - - From: "Ben Humphreys" (blhump272 at sctv.coop) I was born in 1937 and I knew of Willie Sutton well during my childhood. I particularly remember his famous saying I rob banks because that is where the money is. Ben H. - - - - Original question from Harriet D., who asked about a line on page 62 in the Big
book, in the chapter on How It Works. > > This line refers to: "the outlaw safe cracker who thinks society has wronged him."
> > Do any of our experts on early twentieth century U.S. history or literature or the lives of famous outlaws recognize that as a reference to any specific person or group of people who would have been well known to the average American in 1939? > > Did Willie Sutton ever engage in safecracking, or did he just hold a Thompson submachine gun or a pistol on the tellers and demand the money in their cash drawers? And had he become well known enough by 1939, that the general public
would have recognized his name? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6413. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Libraries with major holdings on alcoholism From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/25/2010 7:38:00 AM
(jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) BROWN UNIVERSITY: Start with the Kirk (and John Hay Library) and Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies collections at Brown, parts of them online.
base.
Rutgers has a good collection. OTHER GOOD PLACES TO LOOK: The Alcohol & Drug History Society and the Kettil Bruun Society (both with listservs online) and Loran Archer's Alcohol Reports website might be able to provide information. - - - - From: Dick Chalue (dickchalue at yahoo.com) THE G.S.O. ARCHIVES AT A.A. NEW YORK HEADQUARTERS has certain kinds of items, such as copies of Bill W's correspondence and official AA correspondence with members and groups. http://www.aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=21 - - - - The original question from (nuevenueve at ymail.com) Do you know whether there are, anywhere in the world, some libraries with specialized holdings on alcoholism, AA material, other recovery programs, addictions and all related items?
public can have access to the books. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6414. . . . . . . . . . . . re: Libraries with major holdings on alcoholism From: Charlie C . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/26/2010 9:27:00 AM
http://www.worldcat.org/. This is the free public version of a shared cataloging database long used by public, academic and other libraries. You can do searches and narrow down to libraries in your zip code region etc. Most libraries are open to the public, but it is always a good idea to call first re access and hours - the worldcat service above gives contact info. Some college libraries allow borrowing of books by community users, generally by purchasing some sort of courtesy user card, fees vary - we charge $25 a year where I am. You can also get books from other libraries through inter-library loan - use the
worldcat record info to make your request thru your local public library. Depending on the library, they may charge a small fee for each request. Charlie C. IM = route20guy "A flittin stane gaithers nae fog" IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6415. . . . . . . . . . . . Group Avoids Politics of Alcohol From: Fiona Dodd . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/26/2010 1:52:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII "Group Avoids Politics of Alcohol," by STEVEN CARROLL AN ABILITY to avoid the politics surrounding alcohol consumption and a leadership structure described as "benign anarchy" are two of the reasons why Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) has thrived since it arrived here over 70 years ago, according to the author of a new book on the group.
pyramid" style of governance has helped it to avoid many of the pitfalls that political and religious institutions have encountered since it was established here in 1946. "They don't get distracted by institutions," he said. "What they have done is kept their eye on the ball from a point of view of following its only purpose - to help people who are absolutely flattened by alcohol consumption. "It survived through a policy of never getting involved in alcohol politics . . . they don't contribute to debate or try to tell you whether or not the pubs in Limerick should be open on Good Friday or anything like that."
Ireland, Mr Butler said he learned that the concept of alcoholism was little known when returning Irish-American Conor Flynn moved here to help establish a branch of the AA in 1946. "He was told by the public that there were no alcoholics in the Free State and that you might have found some if you'd gone up to the North." Mr Butler said the AA, which has no direct leadership but simply follows a spiritual 12-step programme, seemed destined to collapse. "It's a bit like comparing it to the Fenians in 19th-century Ireland or modern-day organised crime," he said. "It looks like it couldn't survive as there's no leadership or top-level telling local cumanns what to do, but it has worked and proved itself extremely robust."
Irish history at UCD, said the AA intersected health and religion and was one of few things to arrive here between the 1940s and 1960s that was not challenged by then archbishop of Dublin, Dr John Charles McQuaid. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6416. . . . . . . . . . . . When Love Is Not Enough, premier Irvington NY, April 25 From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/5/2010 9:53:00 PM
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WHEN LOVE IS NOT ENOUGH Winona ryder and Barry Pepper CBS Television Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:00 p.m. Eastern time 8:00 p.m. Central time
between
Bill and Lois Wilson, respective co-founders of Alcoholics Anonymous and Al-Anon
Family Groups. In 1914, Lois Burnham, a young woman from an affluent family, fell in love with
Bill Wilson, a young man of modest means. They married in 1918, and after his
return from war, they set out to build a life together. While Lois worked, Bill struggled to find his niche. She believed he was destined for greatness, and despite his increasing reliance on alcohol, she showered him with love and support. After brief periods of success, Bill's addiction to alcohol spiraled out of control until his job, their lifestyle and their dreams were gone. In late 1934, after years of covering for Bill and trying to manage his illness
by herself, Lois witnessed Bill get and stay sober - not because of her but with
the support of fellow alcoholics. As Bill attained lasting sobriety and co-founded AA, Lois was surprised to feel
neglected, isolated and resentful. She was not alone in these feelings. There
were many - wives, husbands, sisters, brothers - whose lives and relationships had been devastated because of their loved ones' alcoholism. With them she began to apply the principles of AA to her own emotional recovery and co-founded Al-Anon Family Groups in 1951. Together Lois and Bill Wilson nurtured movements that have helped millions of people around the world. And together they've given the world a noble and inspiring love story." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6417. . . . . . . . . . . . 1970 copy of This Is AA pamphlet From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/4/2010 8:12:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Has the pamphlet "This Is AA" changed between it first being published in 1970 and now? Does anyone know where a copy of the 1970 pamphlet can be viewed? Thanks, Chris Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6418. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Bob on Anonymity From: Craig Keith . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/3/2010 9:08:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Is this in fact anything that Dr. Bob actually wrote or spoke, in these exact words? Or is this somebody else trying to put their own words into Dr. Bob's mouth? I've searched the group message archives trying to find some valid historical source where it is attributed to Dr. Bob, but without success: ____________________________________ "Since our Tradition on anonymity designates the exact level where the line should be held, it must be obvious to everyone who can read and understand the English language that to maintain anonymity at any other level is definitely a violation of the Tradition. The AA who hides his identity from his fellow AA by using only a given name violates the Tradition just as much as the AA who permits his name to appear in the press in connection with matters pertaining to AA. The former is maintaining his anonymity above the level of press, radio, and films, and the latter is maintaining his anonymity below the level of press, radio, and films-whereas the Tradition states that we should maintain our anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films." ____________________________________
words, can someone give the historical source? With gratitude, Craig Keith Wimberley, Texas
corrections? From: priscilla_semmens . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/2/2010 9:18:00 AM
about carrying the A.A. message to corrections facilities? (Prisons, jails, penitentiaries, detention facilities, etc.) Thanks for your help IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6420. . . . . . . . . . . . Modern A.A. success rate From: jim.alhandy . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/1/2010 1:37:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dear A.A. History Lovers, my name is Jim Alhandy and I have been a sober member of A.A. since 1-2-90. I know I am supposed to stop fighting anything or anyone, but this one has me ready to go to the mountain. It is a question that has the hair on the back of my neck standing on edge.
meetings, that there is literature out of New York that states only "2 or 3% of the people that come to A.A. stay sober." I read A.A. literature and do not believe this is in print in any A.A. literature anywhere. The Big Book says in the forward, on page xx, that "of Alcoholics who came to A.A. and really tried, 50% got sober at once," and as you know it says on page 58, "Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path...."
"thoroughly followed". I have definitions of my own for those two terms.
job, as a sober member of A.A., to give the new members of A.A. hope, PERIOD.
from A.A. that says only "2 or 3% stay sober". I disagreed and contradicted by saying, "The Big Book is correct. It is correct today as it was correct when it was printed. If anything, it was underestimated. It has been my experience that 85 or 90% of people that "really tried" stay sober. I love A.A. Please help me. Please respond to Thank You, Jim Alhandy See you in Texas
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/5/2010 11:08:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Jim, You are certainly correct. There is absolutely no literature coming from the New
York GSO stating that only "2 or 3% of the people that come to A.A. stay sober."
A.A. General Services Board, 475 Riverside Dr Ste 832, New York, NY. Phone 212-870-3400 And you might write their phone number down on a piece of paper, and hand it to anybody you run into who is repeating that kind of nonsense. Because as you say, it that false statement were true, it would cut the heart out of AA's Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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