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Paul tried to get Dick in A.A. February 1937; picture appeared Jack Alexander March 1941 *Saturday Evening Post* article Smasher rewritten and retitled "He Had to be Shown for 2nd and 3rd editions (A 162,186) (D 11,127,169,185,288,306,330-1) (P247) (BB1 364-9) (BB2/3 193-209u) This info was found at http://www.silkworth.net/aahistory_names/namesd.html#DickStanley _____________________________________________ On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Richard > > According to the prefaces to the 3rd and 4th editions of the Big Book (see > 4th edition p. xi) there were six stories carried over from the first to the
> second editions. But I only count five. > > 1: European Drinker > 2: Home Brewmeister > 3: News Hawk (Traveler, Editor, Scholar) > 4: The Man Who Mastered Fear (The Fearful One) > 5: Our Southern Friend > 6: ??? > > Can anyone can help? Thanks. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7081. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bobbie B. From: Jim M . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/12/2010 10:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII There is a good deal of material about Bobbie B. contained in Chapter 9, "General Service Office," in Bob P.'s "Manuscript of A.A. World History," which he produced in 1985. Did Bob P. ever complete the book? In particular, I have never seen Chapter 20,
"Central Offices and Intergroups," even though a chapter by that title was listed in his table of contents. Did he ever write that chapter? Also, has anyone else done an updated version of Bob's book? Yours in service, Jim M.
MATERIAL ON BOBBIE B. from: CHAPT. 9 -- GENERAL SERVICE OFFICE in Bob P., "Manuscript of A.A. World History" http://www.silkworth.net/aahistory/research.html http://www.silkworth.net/bobp/contents.html http://www.silkworth.net/bobp/chapter09.html
Avenue, opposite Grand Central Station. "We made this move," Bill wrote, "because the need for serving the many A.A. travelers through New York had become urgent. Our new location near Grand Central brought us into contact with visitors who, for the first time, began to see Alcoholics Anonymous as a vision for the whole world. Thousands of A.A.'s, their families, their friends, their clergymen, their doctors and their employers have since visited the New York Headquarters." Besides Bill, the personnel at the time of the move consisted of Margaret "Bobbie"B., who had replaced Ruth Hock as "A.A.'s National Secretary #2," and three assistants. Bill praised Bobbie for her "complete loyalty and devotion and her unbelievable energy and capacity for hard work."
$9,000
for the six-month period. In July, additional space had to be rented on the 10th
floor of the building for shipping and storage. Mrs. Lowe, the bookkeeper, was
acting as the office manager and personnel supervisor. A search was under way
for an assistant to Bobbie B. "Getting out our Directory of A.A. groups began to be a job rather like publishing a suburban telephone book," Bill recalled. "Letter files and Kardex files began to appear in rows. More alcoholic staff members had to be engaged." Three employees were added to the office in January, 1946, including Charlotte L. as an assistant for Bobbie B. According to Nell, Bobbie B. had been a dancer in Paris in the 1920's and, in the fashion of the 1940's, wore "tiny little hats and went tripping along in her high heels, but was a fantastic communicator. I can't tell you the number of people—the countless, countless number of people all over the world who owe
their sobriety to that woman. She was fantastic in that respect, but a little
shaky on office discipline. She was really out of that part of the work. Charlotte L., on the other hand, "was a real businesswoman. She brought a lot of stability and business know—how to the office." She also brought in an associate from the advertising agency where she had worked, Marian W. (not an A.A. member at that time, but joined considerably later) as office manager. "When Marian proceeded to introduce some discipline," several of the employees quit. "The upheaval in those days, the 'learning to be an office' so to speak, was fascinating," in Nell's view. Part of the problem was that Bill W. was in, the
office only two days a week even when he was not traveling—and he traveled frequently. A major step in improving the operation of the office came when, in 1949, the
Alcoholic Foundation appointed a General Service Committee to act as an "advisory body to the Headquarters staff in connection with those problems of policy and administration requiring immediate attention." This committee, consisting of Trustees and acting in behalf of the Foundation, oversaw the Headquarters on a day-to-day basis, and its chairman was therefore the de facto volunteer manager of the office. Henry "Hank" C. was the first person to fill both these positions and carried both titles. The appointment of the General Service Committee coincided with (and was perhaps
prompted by) the discharge of Bobbie B.—and soon afterward, of Charlotte L. as
well because of alcoholic slips. According to Nell and Ann M., their relapses
were partly caused by the enormous workload combined with confusion of the early
office. Nell says, "The four or five movie companies and all the press they had
to deal with, and the groups proliferating and the prisons and hospitals starting, and the internationalists, and all—that poor woman (Bobbie] was just overwhelmed. The A.A. staff worked long hours all week and then sometimes went out to speak or to A.A. weekends, where they were 'Mrs. A.A.' and people showered them with affection and admiration. That ego-inflation was hard to handle when they'd been sober just a few years, as they had in those days. And they were exhausted, too." Bobbie and Charlotte were apparently both on pills for some time before they returned to drinking. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7082. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Authors of 4th edition Big Book stories
From: CloydG . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2010 5:57:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Al W.'s West Baltimore website, an excellent source of information on AA history,
has all that is publicly known about the stories in the 4th edition of the Big
Book: http://www.a-1associates.com/westbalto/HISTORY_PAGE/Authors.htm This may not give you the kind of information you want, however. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7083. . . . . . . . . . . . AA in Pakistan From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/28/2010 7:01:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From The Guardian newspaper (UK) - 12/28/10: Alcoholism spreads in 'dry' Pakistan: Boom in secret clinics to treat middle class patients. Pakistan has been dry since 1977 and drinkers risk severe punishment: 80 lashes of the whip under strict Islamic laws. But the law is ignored, alcohol is widely available and, for those who go too far, addiction clinics offering help are quietly flourishing. Dr Sadaqat Ali, a leading addiction counsellor ... estimates that
10 million Pakistanis drink alcohol, one million of whom have a problem. "With
our culture of hospitality, it's hard to say 'no'," he said. Treatment is expensive ... or there is Alcoholics Anonymous, which has at least one group in Karachi. It is hard to find: no ads, no phone numbers, just a web page. "Most people find it through word of mouth," said a former member, adding that it has operated for more than 15 years... Alcoholics seeking help require discretion. In Pakistan's small middle class, that can be tricky. The former AA member said: "It should be called A, not AA, in Pakistan - because there's not much anonymity." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7084. . . . . . . . . . . . Are there any Wikipedia editors here who know about the Washingtonians? From: A from near Maldon, England, . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/28/2010 5:17:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Wikipedia article here has for over two years been calling for some referencing. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7085. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Stories carried over from 1st to 2nd edition of Big Book From: Robt Woodson . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/27/2010 11:07:00 PM
Bill's
Story" as a reading of the Fourth edition Preface pp.xi & xii mentions as follows... "..."Bill's Story", "Dr. Bob's Nightmare," and one other personal history from
the first edition were retained intact; three were edited and one of these was
retitled;" (adding up to 6) l; "new versions of two stories were written, with
new titles;" (now 8) "thirty completely new stories were added and the story section was divided into three parts, under the same headings that are used now."..."
5 brings us to 7 and the inclusion of the Dick Stanley "Car smasher" story makes 8. Is that correct now? Running out of fingers, Woody in Akron - - - - On Mon, 12/27/10, ricktompkins Dr. Bob's Nightmare, of course! Across all four Editions, originally titled "The
Doctor's Nightmare" in our First Edition. Ciao, Rick, Illinois IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7086. . . . . . . . . . . . Anne Smith: Mother of AA? From: Aalogsdon . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/28/2010 5:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In several of the postings Anne Smith is cited as the Mother of the first group
in Akron. I have heard quoted that she was the Mother of AA. Is this quotation in print somewhere? Thanks.
founders of the Washingtonians? From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/29/2010 10:49:00 AM
remained
active. All six were among the fifteen incorporators of the Washington Temperance Society of Baltimore in January 1841. There is a detailed account of a meeting conducted by William K Mitchell, the President, in SIX NIGHTS WITH THE WASHINGTONIANS. John F Hoss was Marshal of the First Anniversary Parade. George Steers died in 1842, but he had gotten sober, married, and fathered a son
since getting sober in 1840. Archibald Campbell and James McCurley were both remembered as founders of the
Washingtonians in their obituaries (McCurley in 1880 or 1881). David Anderson was not so remembered (he died very suddenly in 1873 and his obit
was evidently newspaper-written rather than supplied by the family) -- but note
that he was an incorporator in 1841. Campbell's family was south during the Civil War (when he died) and he may have
wanted to emphasize his Unionist connections -- Hoss was a moderate Abolitionist (American Colonial Society) and an 1814 Defender and McCurley's whole family strongly Unionist, so mentioning the Washington Temperance Society in Campbell's obit may have been intended to emphasize his loyalty, important in Baltimore in 1863.
of the original six remained active, because my own researches do not suggest that. Thanks.
____________________________________________ > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > From: ronnybarnes@yahoo.com > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:43:25 +0000 > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Who were the four serious founders of the Washingtonians? > > There were six men who were sitting at Chase's Tavern in Baltimore one night when The Washingtonian Movement was thought of. But all the things I have read say that only four of those six men went to the meetings and actually started the group. > > I know the name of the original six, but does anyone know which four of them went to the meeting the next night after they left Chase's Tavern? ____________________________________________
> > The Washingtonian movement was a 19th century fellowship founded on April 2, 1840 by six hard drinkers (William Mitchell, David Hoss, Charles Anderson, George Steer, Bill M'Curdy, and Tom Campbell) at Chase's Tavern on Liberty Street in Baltimore, Maryland. The idea was that by relying on each other, sharing their alcoholic experiences and relying upon divine help, they could keep each other sober. Total abstinence from alcohol was their goal. The group taught sobriety and preceded Alcoholics Anonymous by almost a century. Members sought out other "drunkards" (the term alcoholic had not yet been created), told them their experiences with alcohol abuse and how the Society had helped them achieve sobriety. With the passage of time the Society became a prohibitionist organization in that it promoted the legal and mandatory prohibition of alcoholic beverages. The Society was the inspiration for Timothy Shay Arthur's
Six Nights with the Washingtonians and his Ten Nights in a Bar-Room. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7088. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Are there any Wikipedia editors here who know about the Washingtonians? From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/29/2010 6:22:00 PM
founders
are partly inaccurate (taken from a non-authoritative 1878 secondary source). It doesn't need references; it needs a thorough rewrite. ___________________________________________ > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > From: AndrewO@phonecoop.coop > > The Wikipedia article here has for over two > years been calling for some referencing. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washingtonian_movement IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7089. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Stories carried over from 1st to 2nd edition of Big Book From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/29/2010 6:30:00 PM
"Our Southern Friend" -- in all four editions. Arch T's "The Man Who Mastered Fear" (edited and retitled) is the only other 1st edition story still in the 4th edition.
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