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There are expenses involved. The hosting fees for this website are sizable.

We

had been outsourcing the digitizing; however, it has become too expensive.



The

current plan is to raise the funding to purchase the equipment necessary to

do

the digitizing and processing here with the help of volunteers. This



includes

reel-to-reel players, wire recorders, and a dedicated system to capture

audio.

This would enable us to begin to process these tapes here. One reason the



process has been so costly is that everything must be done in "real time". I

had a professional estimate to have the entire library converted and almost

fell

over when they came back with an estimate of over 1 million dollars.


Please note that the majority of these recordings are in very good condition

and


some of them have never been made available anywhere. For example, I

recently


found a reel containing talks from AA's First International Convention, held

in

Cleveland in 1950. AAWS archives didn't have these recordings and now,



because

of this project, they will have copies.


I was recently able to donate some items, including old wire recordings, to

Stepping Stones -- the Home of Bill & Lois Wilson. Now when people tour

Stepping Stones they will be able to hear some incredible recordings

including

Bill W. playing the violin. I also sent along an actual wire recording unit

like


Bill W once had on his desk. I know the fellowship will enjoy seeing and

hearing


these new additions while visiting Stepping Stones.
I'm sharing this information to let you and your friends know that the

Recovery


Speaker project is bigger than just a website. Of course the website does

currently host more than 3,000 downloadable AA and Al-Anon talks.


Again, thank you for your ongoing service to the fellowship and all you

continue


to do to help with this endeavor.
In Love & Service,
Mike F.

Chandler, Arizona


Recovery Speakers

P.O. Box 2736

Chandler, AZ 85244-2736
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++++Message 7025. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: A.A.W.S. Conference Approved

From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/14/2010 3:59:00 AM


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From Laurie Andrews and Carl Kirsch
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From: Laurie Andrews

(jennylaurie1 at hotmail.com)


The Big Book quotes non-Conference approved literature, e.g. the Bible (!),

The


Varieties of Religious Experience, The Living Church (appendix V), American

Journal of Psychiatry; NBC radio broadcast by the American Medical

Association

(both appendix III).


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From: "Carl V. Kirsch"

(carlkirsch at yahoo.com)


I agree with James Harp. There is wonderful stuff in non-conference approved

literature. And remember what our BB says, "we sometimes select and memorize

a

few set prayers which emphasize the principles we have been discussing.



There

are many helpful books also. Suggestions about these may be obtained from

one's

priest, minister, or rabbi. Be quick to see where religious people are



right.

Make use of what they offer." (Page 87).


Clearly, in the BB, Bill was referring to non-conference approve literature,

because between 1935 and 1939, the year the Book was published, no AA

conference

board existed. Hence, there was no "conference approved" literature.

Nevertheless, the Books ask us to read other "many helpful books."
Humbly yours,
Carl Kirsch

Atlanta, Georgia


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Original message from: jamesjharp@suddenlink.net
Just because a piece of literature is not A.A.W.S. Conference "approved,"

does


not mean that it is "disapproved." Who among us has not read some materials

that


were not A.A.W.S. Conference "approved?!"
An example of such a publication would be "Twenty-Four Hours a Day," author

Richmond Walker, first published by the AA group in Daytona Beach, Florida,

in

1948.
On a related note, check "The Little Red Book," author Ed Webster, first



published in 1946 by him and Barry Collins under the sponsorship of the the

Nicollet AA group in Minneapolis, Minnesota -- a reported favorite read of

Doctor Robert Smith, published years before the A.A.W.S. Conference

literature-sanctioning "approval" process circa 1951.


A.A. members are free, without any recrimination, to read whatever

literature

they choose to read; including antiquarian publications, many of which were

published long before the A.A.W.S. Conference "approval" process was

implemented

by A.A. World Services, Inc..


Keeping it Real,
Jim H.

Chicago, IL

10-20-83
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++++Message 7026. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Have AA groups ever pressed

charges against a member?

From: lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/15/2010 6:15:00 PM
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From Lee Nickerson (snowlilly12) and Shakey Mike on Frank M., Mexico, San

Diego,


etc., plus the original question (pressing charges against an AA member)
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From: Lee Nickerson

(snowlilly12 at yahoo.com)


I know we are dealing with private communications and personal memories.

None of


this ever got beyond being denied as a floor action at the Conferences. For

me

it's enough to keep an eye on our headquarters office. There are many



opinions.
How did we end up at the Interfaith center; a building built specifically to

house and strengthen the churches of the world? Why are we there? There was

a

groundswell movement against the move and the numbers about saving money



never

were that spectacular in the light of us moving into a building totally

dedicated to world churches. AAWS sent its representative to Presque Isle,

Maine


to soften the vocal minority.
I remember all this. I lived it. I lived the Mexican and German betrayals.
Frank M. did not voluntarily resign. He told me that when he outlined the

payback plan to San Diego.


I know that accepting the party line is the way to a peaceful settlement.

But I


prefer to be a bit unscientific and keep a watch for the appearance of more

rascals.
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From: Shakey Mike

(Shakey1aa at aol.com)


This topic is getting offtrack. [It was originally supposed to be a question

as

to whether AA groups have ever pressed charges against a member.]


Attacks on trusted servants for harms done is not new to AA. Does any one

have


any documentation to back up the allegations of "forced to resign"? AAHL is

about the truth in AA history.Where's the proof?


Mexico and Germany are well documented.. I'm more an Intergroup person., but

as

an AA historian. I need to see it in writing. A letter or document. Not he



said,

she said. Many people say things that are not true when they are hurt or get

fired.
I've heard about lawsuits for and against GSO and AA members for years. Some

websites, GSO Watch in particular, have copies of letters from GSO, Groupo

Mexico and at that time past and present trusted servants.
See http://gsowatch.aamo.info/mex/index.htm#%281%29
It is an interesting read of the history of the Mexican Big Book problem.
My late sponsor and AA historian Harry the Wino, who also spoke in Bristol,

England, always said that Bill Wilson told us to "Guard the traditions

well."

For GSO staffers, they need to not only guard the traditions well, but also



the

concepts.


It was inexcusable what happened in Mexico. We do learn from our mistakes?
Is the answer to the original question Yes or No?
Shakey Mike Gwirtz

Hardcore Group


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From: "lee" (snowlilly12 at yahoo.com)
OK. My obsession with GSO's and AAWSs past allowed me to skip the original

question. In my area we had a convention treasurer steal nearly $15,000

which

was payment for the convention and our seed money. The sidebar here is that



the

guy, unbeknownst to us, was a compulsive gambler and a member in poor

standing

of GA. The money went directly and with great speed to the nearest race

track

and it stayed there. The Area Committee decided not to pursue it in the area



of

public controversy and instead appealed to the guy's sense of decency. He

eventually paid all that money back and is still sober. To meet the

immediate

debts, we contacted every group in the area and asked for a special

donation. It

came in total within three weeks.
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++++Message 7027. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The meaning of Anonymity

From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/23/2010 9:07:00 AM


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Thought this might be interesting - Arthur
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The admonition originated in the early 1940s at the Oak Ridge, Tennessee

complex


(constructed under the Manhattan Project) to produce enriched uranium and

plutonium for the atomic bombs.


It was on a sign emphasizing the critical war time secrecy associated with

the


project.
A 1945 photo of the sign can be viewed at the following link


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