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(hjfree at fuse.net) Is there any list or resource to locate the authors of 4th ed. Big Book stories?
free anniversary breakfast for the last 10 years. As we are a Big Book Group we would like to make it a story author again (Lyle P. was our speaker 2 years ago). Anyone know a source which might have any of the authors and contact info ? Blessed2BSober Rob M
WARNING FROM THE MODERATOR: everybody please remember that it would be A MAJOR BREACH IN ANONYMITY if we posted the full name and contact information for a living author of a Big
Book story in the AA History Lovers, which is part of the public media. I'm not trying to be difficult or an obnoxious bleeding deacon, but some members
of our group are not AA members, and anybody with a computer can read our postings, which are completely public. And in fact, some AA's would regard it as a breach of that person's anonymity if someone even communicated privately to Rob M. at his home e-mail address that
Big Book story author's full name and/or contact information, without first getting permission from the Big Book story author. Does anyone have any ideas about how (and whether) we could respond to Rob's request? Again, I'm not trying to be difficult, just seeking some guidance from the rest of the group. Glenn C. (currently buried under two feet = 0.6 meters of snow in South Bend, Indiana) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7059. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Authors of 4th edition Big Book stories
From: Sherry C. Hartsell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2010 3:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Glenn, I do not consider your position to be "hard-ass" at all, quite the contrary, I see you trying to do your job in a principled manner. In response to your question, you might just contact the subject author for permission -- or not. Sherry C.H. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7060. . . . . . . . . . . . Is there a birthday for the Big Book?
From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2010 10:13:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Is there an official "AA Birthday" or "sobriety date" for the Big Book itself?
original publisher?) announced to Bill and the other AA people that the books
were ready, and issued them the first copies? (which I believe they mailed out
to physicians)? Someone told me that April 11th was the official "birthdate" of the Big Book, is
that true? Or is it best left just approximated, as April 1939? Any feedback? Thanks Roy L. (class of `78) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7061. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who were the psychiatrists Rowland H. saw? From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2010 9:20:00 PM
Rowland H. did not arrange to see Dr. Jung, until AFTER Dr. Freud and Dr. Adler turned him
down (or said they were too busy to see him). Is there any evidence to support such statements? Regards, Roy L. ( class of `78 ) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7062. . . . . . . . . . . . Bob Feller''s Passing From: Michael . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/16/2010 7:55:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bob Feller passed away today at the age of 92: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/15/AR201012\ 1507864.html?hpid=artslot [33] An All-Star and Hall of Fame pitcher for the Cleveland Indians, he unwittingly played a part in helping his catcher Rollie H. break his anonymity at the level
of press radio and film back in 1940. Cleveland acquired Feller in 1936 while he was still a teenager. He could throw a baseball at 100 mph but needed a veteran catcher to help guide him. The Indians traded for an experienced catcher (Rollie H.) from the St. Louis Browns in 1937. Rollie had a reputation for playing hard and drinking hard but found permanent sobriety in Akron and Cleveland in the Spring of 1939.
he became a 24 and 27 game winner, and in those days they often pitched complete games. Rollie caught Fellers opening day no hitter in 1940, a record that stands to this day.
explain his dramatic improvement, he said he would have to give credit to his "ex alcoholic catcher Rollie H." (Of course he used his whole name . . . ) Suddenly Rollie found himself besieged by reporters wanting to know about his
drinking and asking him how he sobered up. Not knowing exactly what to do he finally said he had sobered up "with the help of and through Alcoholics Anonymous." (Direct quote from the Cleveland Plain Dealer.) This was big news in
sports pages all around the country! In AA history this was one of the first big
time anonymity breaks. There were more to follow before we came up with a firm
set of traditions to guide us. In this instance no real harm was done to AA, in fact there was a spike in AA membership after this publicity. Just thought I'd pass this along. I've always been a fan of Rollie's and even attempted to contact Feller a couple of years ago (without success) to see if he had any anecdotes he could share with us about him. Mike Margetis Brunswick, Maryland IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7063. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Is there a birthday for the Big Book?
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2010 4:49:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Arthur S. and aalogsdon - - - - From: Arthur S (arthur.s at live.com) The copyright registration (dated April 19, 1939) states that the book was "First published on the 10th day of April 1939." Prior to publication (in January 1939) 400 copies of the multilith manuscript were mailed to various people (including physicians) for evaluation review and
comments. Cheers Arthur - - - - From: The Copyright Office of The United States gives a publication date of April 10,
1939. - - - - Original message from: Roy Levin Subject: Is there a birthday for the Big Book? Is there an official "AA Birthday" or "sobriety date" for the Big Book itself?
original publisher?) announced to Bill and the other AA people that the books
were ready, and issued them the first copies? (which I believe they mailed out
to physicians)? Someone told me that April 11th was the official "birthdate" of the Big Book, is
that true? Or is it best left just approximated, as April 1939? Any feedback? Thanks Roy L. (class of `78) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7064. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Is there a birthday for the Big Book?
From: schaberg43 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2010 9:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Monday, April 10, 1939 is the day that copies of the book were first available from the printer.
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From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2010 4:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Burlington Vermont's two local districts print a monthly paper entitled The Eye
Opener. Started in the 1980's, it has continued off and on till the present. Online version: http://burlingtonaa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blo g&id\
John M South Burlington, Vermont, US IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7066. . . . . . . . . . . . Is there a difference between selfish and self-seeking? BB page 67 From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/23/2010 12:04:00 PM
frightened?" I am asking all of you with 1930s era dictionaries, and knowledge of Bill W's
talks, to help me. Did Bill ever talk about whether there was a distinction in meaning between the words "selfish" and "self-seeking" on page 67 in the Big Book, where we are making our fourth step inventory? Regards, Roy L. (class of '78) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7067. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W''s 1954 Review of the Movement
From: last_town . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/23/2010 9:38:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello History Lovers! This is my first post. I recently read Ernest Kurtz's Not God, where the bibliography cites "Bill's Review of the Movement" from 1954 as "unpublished." I wondered if this had ever found its way into print or online. It sounds like a
fascinating document. Thanks! Larry H.
++++Message 7068. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener From: Lynn Sawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2010 12:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dear friends of AAHL, I got sober in '79 in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and still own and read '24 Hrs. a
Day' and 'Stools and Bottles.' Read 'em in my early sober yrs. Never was introduced to 'The Eye Opener,' however. Just thot I'd share w/y'all.
Lynn S. grateful alkie avid reader, AAHL Sacramento, CA, USA DOS = 10/22/79
From: Roy Levin . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2010 9:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Also, Chuck Chamberlain in his book "A New Pair of Glasses" says he received the
same answer from Bill W. when he asked Bill that same question, i.e. "I just didn't want to repeat myself, using the same word twice." I don't think Chuck C. was making this up, I believe him. regards Roy L.
++++Message 7070. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bob Feller''s Passing From: Aalogsdon . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2010 12:57:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I talked to Bob Feller on three different occasions at his museum in Van Meter
Iowa some years ago always about Rollie Hemsley. I had him autograph and inscribe baseballs in memory of Rollie Hemsley. He told me that he called him his personal catcher and that he was the only baseball person to attend his funeral. Feller had a great memory and told me a lot about photographs that I took to him to identify. He also confirmed what Rollie's speaker tape and his relatives had told me; that he never drank again after the initial sobriety date of 16 April 1939. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7071. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bob Feller''s Passing From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2010 9:09:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Rollie Hemsley broke his anonymity and talked publicly about being a member of Alcoholics Anonymous ONLY AFTER newspaper stories began appearing saying that he had gotten sober, and saying that it was the Oxford Group which had gotten him sober.
this: 'You know, if someone gave me tips about baseball and I found out he never played, I wouldn't pay much attention to him. It's the same thing with alcohol.'" - - - - FOR MORE ABOUT THIS, READ: AA History BUFFS message no. 1011, Wed Apr 3, 2002 From: NMOlson@... moyerolson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aahistorybuffs/message/1011
1940.
His debut as a catcher was April 13, 1928. He was the catcher for the Cleveland Indians, and had just caught a no-hit game pitched by Bob Feller when publicity about his alcoholism hit the papers. Rollie had been sober for about a year at that time. It was big news, not only in Cleveland and Ohio, but in the sports sections of newspapers throughout the country. Rollie had once been called "Rollicking Rollie," during his drinking days. He had set fire to a car, raised hell on trains, caught a ball dropped from Cleveland's Terminal Tower when drunk (and did it again sober), and was on the
way out of the big leagues when he finally received help. Dr. Bob called John R. in April 1939 and said: You're the only one around here
who knows anything about baseball. Do you know a player named Rollie Hemsley?
Dr. Bob said: "Well, someone brought him down here, and we've got him over at the hospital. You come up and talk to him." They had put him in the hospital under a false name which reportedly made a sportswriter at the Beacon-Journal very angry that Dr. Bob wouldn't reveal it. When Rollie was released from the hospital he joined the Oxford Group in Akron. When the Akron A.A.s left the Oxford Group, Rollie stayed with the Oxford Group for a time, but then joined the A.A. group in Cleveland. So when the story of his alcoholism broke in 1940, credit for his recovery was
given to the Oxford Group. Then Rollie broke his silence for the first time, and gave the credit for his sobriety to Alcoholics Anonymous. This caused some concern among AA's, but Rollie could hardly be blamed, and the story of his recovery in A.A. brought many new recruits. The first story about A.A. that appeared in the Cleveland Plain Dealer (see Post
17) spoke "a former big league ball player who is recruiting officer ..." Rollie explained the difference between the Oxford Group and A.A. like this: "You know, if someone gave me tips about baseball and I found out he never played, I wouldn't pay much attention to him. It's the same thing with alcohol." In the Dr. Bob collection at Brown University is a 1948 Cleveland Indians World
Series baseball, signed by player and A.A. member Rollie Hemsley and his teammates. Rollie died July 31, 1972, in Washington, DC. Sources: Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers A.A. Comes of Age IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7072. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Bob Feller''s Passing From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/19/2010 8:15:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Cleveland Ohio AA central office (incorporated as the Cleveland District Office) has a display case on Rollie H. which has among other things a copy of "Now Pitching: Bob Feller" (his autobiography) with a full chapter on Rollie H. It also contains a baseball signed by Feller in memory of Rollie. These were generously donated to us by California sports memorabilia collector Jerry L. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7073. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who were the psychiatrists Rowland H. saw? From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/19/2010 4:52:00 PM
> him more than once) that Rowland H. did not > arrange to see Dr. Jung, until AFTER Dr. Freud > and Dr. Adler turned him down (or said they > were too busy to see him). Is there any > evidence to support such statements? - - - - I think there is enough information available to put that one to rest. Amy Bluhm
went over most of the material that I did, and in addition she had some letters
from another part of the family. It was clear that Rowland went to Europe specifically to be analyzed by Jung. He wasn't just looking for any famous European psychiatrist.
American followers (at this point, the number was still fairly small) when he lived in California during the early 1920s. Leonard went through a depressive episode in 1925 and was persuaded by these friends to go to Zurich to be analyzed. He in turn persuaded Rowland to go, the next year.
so Leonard Bacon enlisted Porter's help in encouraging Rowland to go. Leonard also arranged for Rowland to have lunch with Kristine Mann, an analyst trained by Jung and then practicing in New York. So no, I don't think Rowland had time to consider anyone other than Jung. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7074. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who were the psychiatrists Rowland H. saw? From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/23/2010 11:35:00 PM
psychiatrists Rowland is supposed to have seen before he saw Jung. SEE LAST PARAGRAPH IN CORA FINCH'S MESSAGE BELOW _____________________________________________ > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > From: corafinch@yahoo.com > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:52:20 +0000 > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Who were the psychiatrists Rowland H. saw? > > Roy Levin > > > Clancy I. of Los Angeles relates (I've heard > > him more than once) that Rowland H. did not > > arrange to see Dr. Jung, until AFTER Dr. Freud > > and Dr. Adler turned him down (or said they > > were too busy to see him). Is there any > > evidence to support such statements? > > - - - - > > I think there is enough information available to put that one to rest. Amy Bluhm went over most of the material that I did, and in addition she had some
letters from another part of the family. It was clear that Rowland went to Europe specifically to be analyzed by Jung. He wasn't just looking for any famous European psychiatrist. > > Rowland's cousin Leonard Bacon had met several people in Jung's circle of American followers (at this point, the number was still fairly small) when he lived in California during the early 1920s. Leonard went through a depressive episode in 1925 and was persuaded by these friends to go to Zurich to be analyzed. He in turn persuaded Rowland to go, the next year. > [GEORGE PORTER & CHRISTINE MANN:] > > A college friend of Rowland, George Porter, was a devoted disciple of Jung, so Leonard Bacon enlisted Porter's help in encouraging Rowland to go. Leonard also arranged for Rowland to have lunch with Kristine Mann, an analyst trained by Jung and then practicing in New York. So no, I don't think Rowland had time to consider anyone other than Jung. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7075. . . . . . . . . . . . Chuck C., A New Pair of Glasses From: John Moore . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/24/2010 10:38:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Chuck C. did not write this or any other book, by the way. He never saw "A New
Pair of Glasses" and I wonder sometimes if he would have approved of it being
printed. The book is a transcript of sessions of an annual retreat at Palo Mesa
California. I think Chuck went every year, or he put it on every year ... my recollection. I have the cassette tape copies of this retreat which was recorded in 1975. The book came out in 1984 after his death.
did
he know of it? Maybe someone knows...? John M Burlington, Vermont 12-07-1971
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edition p. xi) there were six stories carried over from the first to the second
editions. But I only count five. 1: European Drinker 2: Home Brewmeister 3: News Hawk (Traveler, Editor, Scholar) 4: The Man Who Mastered Fear (The Fearful One) 5: Our Southern Friend 6: ???
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when The Washingtonian Movement was thought of. But all the things I have read say that only four of those six men went to the meetings and actually started the group. I know the name of the original six, but does anyone know which four of them went to the meeting the next night after they left Chase's Tavern? - - - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washingtonian_movement The Washingtonian movement was a 19th century fellowship founded on April 2, 1840 by six hard drinkers (William Mitchell, David Hoss, Charles Anderson, George Steer, Bill M'Curdy, and Tom Campbell) at Chase's Tavern on Liberty Street in Baltimore, Maryland. The idea was that by relying on each other, sharing their alcoholic experiences and relying upon divine help, they could keep each other sober. Total abstinence from alcohol was their goal. The group taught sobriety and preceded Alcoholics Anonymous by almost a century. Members sought out other "drunkards" (the term alcoholic had not yet been created), told them their experiences with alcohol abuse and how the Society had helped them achieve sobriety. With the passage of time the Society became a prohibitionist organization in that it promoted the legal and mandatory prohibition of alcoholic beverages. The Society was the inspiration for Timothy Shay Arthur's
Six Nights with the Washingtonians and his Ten Nights in a Bar-Room. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7079. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Stories carried over from 1st to 2nd edition of Big Book From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/27/2010 6:38:00 PM
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Lanham-Cook) - - - - Dr. Bob's Nightmare, of course! Across all four Editions, originally titled "The
Doctor's Nightmare" in our First Edition. Ciao, Rick, Illinois __________________________________________ Original question from "Richard" According to the prefaces to the 3rd and 4th editions of the Big Book (see 4th
edition p. xi) there were six stories carried over from the first to the second
editions. But I only count five. 1: European Drinker 2: Home Brewmeister 3: News Hawk (Traveler, Editor, Scholar) 4: The Man Who Mastered Fear (The Fearful One) 5: Our Southern Friend 6: ???
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second edition according to http://www.silkworth.net/aabiography/storyauthors.html He was ** **Dick S.*- AA#7, from Akron, Paul S. Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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