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"CloydG" john wikelius Joe Adams Jonathan Lanham-Cook - - - - The original message No. 7033 was from who said: I have been unable to locate a reference to anyplace where Bill said why he used
both "defects" and "shortcomings" in the steps. Can anyone give me some help locating a reference where Bill is quoted as to why he used these two different words?
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our WRONGS. 6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these DEFECTS OF CHARACTER. 7. Humbly asked Him to remove our SHORTCOMINGS.
From: planternva2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/7/2010 7:44:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII On page 22 of "A New Pair of Glasses" Chuck C. states, "I bet there've been a million hours spent in arguing over why step six says "...were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character" and step seven says "Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings." And there's been a million hours spent on "What's the difference between 'shortcomings' and 'defects of character'?" There's supposed to be a difference! I asked Bill, and he said, "I don't know, I
think I didn't want to end two lines right next to each other with the same words. They mean the same thing." So that's going to knock a lot of arguments out, isn't it?" IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7041. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Defects vs shortcomings From: MarionORedstone@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/7/2010 10:17:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I think there is a string on that in this data base. My recollection is that there was not profound pondering involved. I have attended meetings since 1985 and assimilated from the wisdom of the groups the following: So many ways to be inadequate. One of the conundrums that I have mulled is the
various ways Bill W. expressed my inadequacies as a human being within the Twelve Steps. First he requires that we get a piece of paper, a writing instrument and
resentments and determine ultimately where we were at fault. He asks that we identify our fears and respond to the rhetorical question whether self reliance
failed us. And finally he asks that we look at our interpersonal relationships and determine how we could set those matters straight.
code of moral conduct such as the Ten Commandments and assess where we were lacking in conformance. But in the Fifth Step we do so when we:
nature
of our wrongs. Now we are given better direction. In a legal sense wrongs are both civil misbehavior causing harm to one or more persons or to their property as well as criminal misbehavior contrary to written law. Wilson was probably familiar with that concept from his legal training. This is the true moral inventory in my opinion. So it seems that this compendium of misbehavior on my part gives evidence to the "defects of character" that Step Six addresses: 6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. But those misbehaviors are just that, not character defects, such as selfishness, dishonesty, procrastination, avoidance or moral laziness. We are to turn those defects over to God as we understand God when we: 7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Thankfully, Bill W. gives us a loophole and doesn't insist that all our defects
of character be removed. Only those "that stand in the way of my usefulness to [God] and others." Seventh Step Prayer. When I continue to address Steps Six and Seven within the Step Ten (Spiritual Progress Step), I again raise up to God as I understand God those shortcomings that stand in the way of my usefulness to God and others, all of which I identified when I first did Step Six. I was able to be thorough because I had achieved a degree of "undefendedness" through my Fourth and Fifth Step exercises. God is near, Marion O.R. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7042. . . . . . . . . . . . Who were the psychiatrists Rowland H. saw in the U.S.? From: Lois Stevens . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2010 5:06:00 PM
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before he went to Europe. See the Big Book pg. 26: "For years [Rowland Hazard] had foundered from one sanitarium to another. He had consulted the best known American psychiatrists. Then he had gone to Europe, placing himself in the care of a celebrated physician (the psychiatrist, Dr. Jung) ...."
From: bob gordon . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2010 4:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Who is the 'Bobbie' that Bill refers to in his 1944 Xmas greeting to AA? *Greetings Christmas 1944* Yes, it's in the air! The spirit of Christmas once more warms this poor distraught world. Over the whole globe millions are looking forward to that one day when strife can be forgotten, when it will be remembered that all human beings, even the least are loved by God, when men will hope for the coming of the Prince of Peace as they never hoped before. But there is another world which is not poor. Neither is it distraught. It is the world of Alcoholics Anonymous, where thousands dwell happily and secure. Secure because each of us, in his own way, knows a greater power who is love, who is just, and who can be trusted.
did they find enough humility to enter the portals of that New World. How privileged we are to understand so well the divine paradox that strength rises from weakness, that humiliation goes before resurrection; that pain is not only the price but the very touchstone of spiritual rebirth. Knowing it's full worth and purpose, we can no longer fear adversity, we have found prosperity where there was poverty, peace and joy have sprung out of the very midst of chaos.
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Lois W. and Bill W. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7044. . . . . . . . . . . . The Eye Opener From: jbringbloom . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/9/2010 1:34:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII A person in my home group mentioned a morning meditation book out of the Old Dominion Group on the east coast, called "The Eye Opener." I have been unable to find any information about this. Wondering if it is still in existence? Is it still available? Any information would be appreciated. In love and service, Jim R IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7045. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 7:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This sounds like something different from what you were asking about, but there
was something called The Eye Opener that was published in Los Angeles, California, during the early AA period. - - - - http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1506 'The Eye Opener', Los Angeles, Cal.-"The world and other people are all wrong?
So what? Are you going to try to straighten out the world-or you own life? One
successful A.A. attitude is, 'If I quit drinking, get sober and clear-headed, then I can do something about situations that now defeat me.' Your first problem
is: What do you do about yourself?" - - - -
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1505 Grapevine, Oct. '47 -- A. A. Digest -- Excerpts from Group Publications 'The Eye Opener', Los Angeles, Calif.-"After being a member of A.A. for a few
months I often find myself wondering, when I hear the word 'dry' used, if there
were others who, like myself, were on a 'dry' program. A.A. is not a 'dry' program. There's nothing arid about it; it is life itself-a life that teems with vitality; that is filled with serenity and happiness." - - - - http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1504 Grapevine, Aug. '47 -- A. A. Digest -- Excerpts from Group Publications 'The Eye Opener', Los Angeles, Calif.-"The remarkable thing about this A.A. is that it sneaks up on you exactly as your drinking did. All I have to do is to refer back to my first hypercritical attitude. Of course, when I first came in, everybody told me to 'relax and take it easy.' I didn't know it then but I was so tense when I joined A.A. that I didn't need the aid of a hypnotist to stretch myself between two chairs...The hardest job I had then -and still have -is to take it easy. I think I'm on the right track now, however ...We've found A.A.-which means that our sobriety is practically a foregone conclusion. And if that be true, why not relax and enjoy it?" - - - - This publication is also mentioned in AAHL Messages 1502, 1499, 1487, 1485, 1484, 1466, 1462, 1460, 1423, 1401, and 1385
From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 8:54:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: Manuscript of AA World History (1985) by Bob UP. (unpublished) Info on "Bobbie" BE. May 1, 1944, Headquarters moved into a three-room office at 415 Lexington Avenue, opposite Grand Central Station. “We made this move,” Bill wrote, “because the need for serving the many A.A. travelers through New York had become urgent. Our new location near Grand Central brought us into contact with visitors who, for the first time, began to see Alcoholics Anonymous as a vision for the whole world. Thousands of A.A.’s, their families, their friends, their clergymen, their doctors and their employers have since visited the New York Headquarters.” Besides Bill, the personnel at the time of the move consisted of Margaret “Bobbie”B., who had replaced Ruth Hock as “A.A.’s National Secretary #2,” and three assistants. Bill praised Bobbie for her “complete loyalty and devotion and her unbelievable energy and capacity for hard work.” “The growth of Alcoholics Anonymous continued at a pace which was to us sometimes staggering,” Bill said.
$9,000
for the six-month period. In July, additional space had to be rented on the 10th
floor of the building for shipping and storage. Mrs. Lowe, the bookkeeper, was
acting as the office manager and personnel supervisor. A search was under way
for an assistant to Bobbie B. The next appeal was for $11,000. As Bill explained, “As A.A. was growing, Headquarters had to grow, too -- fortunately not as fast as A.A. did, or the bill would never have been paid. A.A. was getting so big that we could not possibly educate all members on what Headquarters was doing. Many groups, preoccupied with their own affairs, failed to help us at all. Less than half of them contributed anything. We were plagued with constant deficits in contributions which luckily would be plugged up with money from the sale of the
Big Book and our growing pamphlet literature. Without this book income we would
have folded up entirely.” According to Nell, Bobbie B. had been a dancer in Paris in the 1920’s and, in the fashion of the 1940’s, wore “tiny little hats and went tripping along in her high heels, but was a fantastic communicator. I can’t tell you the number of people -- the countless, countless number of people all over the world who owe their sobriety to that woman. She was fantastic in that respect, but a little shaky on office discipline. She was really out of that part of the work. A major step in improving the operation of the office came when, in 1949, the
Alcoholic Foundation appointed a General Service Committee to act as an “advisory body to the Headquarters staff in connection with those problems of policy and administration requiring immediate attention.” This committee, consisting of Trustees and acting in behalf of the Foundation, oversaw the Headquarters on a day-to-day basis, and its chairman was therefore the de facto volunteer manager of the office. Henry “Hank” C. was the first person to fill both these positions and carried
both titles. So has every general manager of C.S.O. since that time. Dennis Manders explains, “The title Chairman of General Services meant that he was the liaison between the daily operations of the office and the Alcoholic Foundation or General Service Board. He actually wore two hats. In those days, the general manager chaired the publishing company meetings. And as Chairman of General Services, he had the difficult task of having to ride herd on Bill on a daily
basis -— and was responsible to the Board for doing so.” When the present structure was adopted in, the General Service Committee ceased
to exist, its function being assumed by the A.A. World Services Board -- but the
dual responsibility of the general manager continued. Both Herb M. and Bob H. served as Chairmen of the General Service Committee when it was still active, later becoming paid general managers of G.S.O. (see below). The appointment of the General Service Committee coincided with (and was perhaps
prompted by) the discharge of Bobbie B. -- and soon afterward, of Charlotte L. as well because of alcoholic slips. According to Nell and Ann M., their relapses were partly caused by the enormous workload combined with confusion of the early office. Nell says, “The four or five movie companies and all the press they had to deal with, and the groups proliferating and the prisons and hospitals starting, and the internationalists, and all -- that poor woman (Bobbie] was just overwhelmed. The A.A. staff worked long hours all week and then sometimes went out to speak or to A.A. weekends, where they were ‘Mrs. A.A.’ and people showered them with affection and admiration. That ego-inflation was hard to handle when they’d been sober just a few years, as they had in those days. And
they were exhausted, too.” Bobbie and Charlotte were apparently both on pills
for some time before they returned to drinking. (Relapses among other staff members in the ‘50’s brought about changes in policy. A minimum of four years’ sobriety was established as a requirement of employment for the staff. The staff was encouraged to take compensatory days off for time worked over a weekend, including trips to attend A.A. events. This avoided the stress of a seven—day—a—week work schedule. Also, the number of staff members was increased, so the workload was more reasonable and the trips
were spread out, as well. Finally, the office became better-organized and operating departments assumed more routine duties. For whatever reason, the problem of slips among the A.A. staff virtually disappeared.)
Committee, Headquarters activity was divided into two divisions under the overall supervision of the Senior General Secretary, who was now Marian M. She
was in direct charge of all public relations, dealing with the press, radio, films, doctors, clergy, etc. She was also responsible for the management of the office and its personnel. She had two assistants, Ann M. and Luc P. Another General Secretary, Ruth B., was in charge of Group Relations, also with two assistants, Jinny T. and Polly P. The Group Relations division was charged with maintaining close relationships with the groups, handling group correspondence and personal visits, and acting as a reservoir of group experiences to draw upon in solving group problems. - - - - Additional info: Dave B. who was the founder of AA in Quebec and his story is in the 4th edition
of the BB was sponsored by Bobbie. He had contacted her looking for help and for
a period of 6 months she wrote him a letter every day and included literature and called him periodically. Dave often stated that the contact with Bobbie was
his life line on which his sobriety hung. The AA Grapevine of April 1953 published an article by Bill W. in memory of Bobbie.
Hope this info helps Jim B. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7047. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Who was Bobbie? From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 9:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I've had the rare opportunity to read through many hundreds of Bobbie's letters
and she was definitely indispensable to the 1940s Alcoholic Foundation Office
and the growth of AA. When this Christmas card was issued, Bobbie B. (aka Margaret Burger) was then
the only Secretary to our "AA Headquarters." She assumed full secretarial responsibilities after Ruth Hock left the Office in the spring of 1942 for marriage and a new Ohio home. Bobbie was as prolific a correspondent as Ruth had been, personally responding to thousands of letters coming to the Office from established Groups, new Groups, Twelfth Step referrals, and she had a wonderful gift of cultivating correspondent friends across the growing Fellowship. Bobbie was an AA member, a recovered alcoholic, a pen pal, an encouraging, compassionate AA servant, and was very attractive (one rare photo of her is placed with other AA pioneers on the second floor library wall at Bill and Lois' home in Bedford Hills). As the 1940s rolled on, the Trustees were reluctant to approve hiring new secretaries while Bobbie continued with the growing Office responsibilities. Unfortunately in 1947, she suffered a physical and emotional breakdown from the
workload and she left the AF employment. I've seen letters from around the same
time that explained away her absence that she'd gotten engaged, but she actually
experienced a complete nervous breakdown. Bill vigorously requested that the Trustees assist with her medical expenses (which was granted), and at least two new secretaries were needed to perform the same services she had met for five years non-stop. One of the new replacement secretaries was Nell Wing, who later pioneered our
Fellowship's archives work. Rick T., Illinois IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7048. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Who was Bobbie? From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 9:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Jared Lobdell and Shakey Mike - - - - From: "J. Lobdell" (jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) Margaret Roberts (Bobbie) B (1904?-1953), at that time the Secretary in New York
City (between Ruth Hock and Nell Wing). - - - - From: "Michael D Gwirtz" (Shakey1aa at aol.com) Margaret "Bobbie" Berger, a.k.a. "Lambie Pie" (Bill had nicknames for all his
secretaries). Shakey Mike IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7049. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 10:03:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII At 12:34 12/9/2010, jbringbloom wrote: >A person in my home group mentioned a morning meditation book out of >the Old Dominion Group on the east coast, called "The Eye Opener." I >have been unable to find any information about this. Wondering if it >is still in existence? Is it still available? Any information would >be appreciated.
http://www.amazon.com/Eye-Opener-Alcoholics/dp/0894860232 as well as Hazelden.
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came in a boxed set along with; The Little Red Book, Stools and Bottles, and I believe Day By Day. Cost about 12.95 each. Amazon carries it. - - - - From: Tim DeRan In my collection of daily reader/meditation books, I have one light blue covered
book with the words "The Eye Opener" on it. This book is a daily reader similar
to many of the other daily reader/meditation books that are available. I have
had it for many years. I checked the Hazelden site and the same book is available from them for about $13.95 plus tax and shipping. - - - - From: "Michael D Gwirtz" From: "Theron B." From: J Chooutla From: Rick Hoffmeister Buy the book at Hazelden. Also available on Amazon. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7050. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The Eye Opener From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 2:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Since you ask -- The Eye Opener Hardcover Hardcover, 384 pages Item: 1020 ISBN-10: 0894860232 ISBN-13: 9780894860232 Publisher: Hazelden Published Year: 1967
Online Price: $12.55 Each The late Ambrose M., Delegate from Eastern PA 1979-80, was buried with his copies of 24 Hours a Day, The Little Red Book, Stools and Bottles, and The Eye-Opener. "Eye-Opener" is also a fairly common name for 7 a.m. meetings, not
only in California. I think the first edition may have been earlier than 1967
(Google books gives a pub date of 1965). IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7051. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener (Los Angeles version)
From: Charles Knapp . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/10/2010 11:21:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello Group, The publication Glenn is talking about was the Los Angeles, California, Central
Office newsletter called "The Eye Opener." It was only published for a little
over two years. It ran from Sept or Oct 1945 until Feb 1948. Members in Southern
California did not or could not support the newsletter financially and it became too costly to publish for free. The LA Central Office would not have another newsletter until about 1972. That publication is called "Hello Central"
and is still being published today. Hope that helps Charles from Wisconsin IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7052. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener (Oklahoma prison newsletter) From: Chris Budnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 12:59:00 AM
Opener." I've seen reference to it as early as 1955 in the South Dakota State Penitentiary newsletter the AlconAire. And I've got three images of covers of the Eye Opener from the early 1970's. Chris B. Raleigh, North Carolina IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7053. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Eye Opener From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 7:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I thought I had built a page about this book on my website (aabibliography.com) but apparently not (looks like to need to get one done!)
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Alcoholics Anonymous THE EYE OPENER FIRST PRINTING Sponsored by Alexandria Group This book is in excellent condition. Pictured are two books - the black one is the first printing done by the group in Alexandria and the little blue one is an early printing done by Hazelden. (I'm including that one in as a bonus) These first printings have been listed on Ebay this past year for over $1,000.
They are certainly very difficult to find and this copy is near min PREFACE "This little book is dedicated to bring various phases of AA philosophy to the arrested alcoholic ans interpreted and understood by the author. It is not
in any sense official, for AA has no official opinion and each member speaks only for himself. "The author of this poor work is neither a writer nor a scholar. His philosophy is not original and was gleaned from many sources. If some hear is made lighter, some happier, or some soul strengthened, we will feel bountifully repaid for our efforts." The publishers gratefully acknowledge the generosity of T.W.R. the amazon page has a six page preview of the book also. LD Pierce http://www.aabibliography.com --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "jbringbloom" wrote:
> > A person in my home group mentioned a morning meditation book out of the Old Dominion Group on the east coast, called "The Eye Opener." I have been unable to find any information about this. Wondering if it is still in existence? Is it still available? Any information would be appreciated. > > In love and service, Jim R >
From: Michael . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 10:31:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Jim, Hazelden took over publication of this book many years ago. When I came in the
Fellowship (1978) this was a very popular book and was usually available at meetings that had a literature table, along with the Little Red Book, Twenty Four Hours a Day, etc.
the book that still has the groups name in it, and also a newer one from Hazelden. I sobered up in the DC area, so considering the books origin it might
have been a little more popular around here. http://www.hazelden.org/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?item=58103&sitex=10020: 2237\
Mike Margetis Brunswick, MD - - - - From: "oys.jerry@gmail.com" The Eye Opener Is published by Hazelden. It is still in print and readily available. I PURCHASED MY COPY BETWEEN 1972-1974. In love and service. Jerry Oys Southern Minnesota Area Archivist - - - - From: John Barton The Eye Opener is a meditation book published by Hazelden, often sold as a set with the 24 Hour Book and Stools & Bottles. PUBLICATION DATE IS GIVEN AS 1967 - - - - From: "Virgil" From: N FINLAYSON From: "Janis R" Rowland H. saw in the U.S.? From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 7:52:00 PM
Years ago I spent quite some time with Rowland's checking account ledgers. One of the things I did was to write down the names of all the doctors he had paid, and try to make some sense of the list. There were quite a few. It was easy to tell which doctors treated RH himself, as the family member treated was identified by initials with each check. Part of the reason for the large number treating Rowland may have been that during prohibition, the only legal alcohol was alcohol prescribed by a physician (communion wine was one of the few other exceptions), and each doctor could prescribe only a certain amount for each patient. It was not uncommon for alcoholic patients to go to a number of doctors. So it is impossible to know which doctors Rowland was consulting for help to get his drinking in control, and which ones were just rationalizing that he might actually need the alcohol. I googled each name and came up with only a few of note. One doctor he saw frequently was Dr. Samuel Lambert, brother of Dr. Alexander Lambert who was once involved with Town's Hospital. Samuel Lambert, unlike Alexander, thought that alcohol had medical value so he was likely prescribing it for RH. Rowland also briefly saw a Dr. Quackenbos, who may have been a hypnotist. The specific term "psychiatrist," BTW, was not in as common use then as now. I will assume you mean any doctors whose treatment probably included psychological care.
remark in an aunt's letter dated 1924, "I hear Roy has gone to an exercise place. I assume that means a relapse." I had to read that one over a few times to believe that she had really put it that way. The language just sounded too modern. I can't see how the relapse could have been anything other than alcoholism, as he had no other chronic conditions.
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Zabriskie, head of New York's Neurologic Institute. Zabriskie was one of the best-known neurologists in New York, and it is interesting that a few years earlier Dr. Zabriskie had helped Sam Shoemaker study psychological treatment while Sam was in training for the ministry. In the summer of 1925, Rowland went into extended treatment with Dr. Austen Fox
Riggs in Stockbridge, MA. He was there for a month, then returned about once a month through the end of the year. He was on his way to return to Dr. Riggs care in the spring of 1926 (not exactly of his own volition but because his wife said so), when he was persuaded to go to Jung in Zurich instead. Rowland was treated by other doctors/therapists after Jung, but your question
concerned only those before. You are probably lucky I can't find all my notes!
++++Message 7056. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Who was Bobbie? -- contact with Addicts Anonymous From: Chris Budnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/11/2010 1:03:00 AM
regarding Addicts Anonymous from 1949. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 7057. . . . . . . . . . . . Authors of 4th edition Big Book stories
From: hjfree2001 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2010 6:16:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII FROM THE MODERATOR: before sending in an e-mail trying to answer Rob M.'s question, please read my warning below, about breaches of anonymity. -- Glenn C.
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