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New York and Akron members for their review. Many changes were made and many heated discussions took place. One long-term member from Ohio who was there, told this writer that "we red -penciled, blue-penciled, crossed out and attempted to keep the book as true to our beliefs as possible." The New York contingent did the same, attempting to tone down the spiritual aspects.
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wrote that chapter and eventually had another falling out with Bill for receiving no credit. Bill also asked Anne Smith, Dr. Bob's wife to write the chapter To Wives, but she gently declined. She reportedly told Bill that he should have asked his wife Lois instead. Lois was not asked and Bill wrote it. To say the least, Lois held a resentment about that for many years. It was decided that some of the language should be toned down and upon further
review and editing, the book was ready to go to press. Bill and Hank took the
book to several sources for review and possible publication. Eventually, after
several re-writes and corrections, the book was ready to go to press. In order to raise further funding, a pre-publication manuscript copy was printed. These went out to friends of the fledgling movement as well as to members for further review. Offers were made to send the printed book as soon
as it was ready to those who purchased this "multilith" copy. A multilith was a
sort of mimeograph process and 400 copies of the manuscript were published and
sent out. It was decided that some of the language should be toned down and upon further
review and editing, the book was ready to go to press. A printing company was
recommended to Bill and Hank. The Cornwall Press, located in Cornwall, New York
(Orange County) was contacted and the process began. "Circus" Dust Jacket Bill and Hank wanted to make the book look like it was worth the $3.50 they were going to ask for it. The asked that the thickest paper be used as well as the widest possible margins. The owners of the Cornwall Press had some left over red binding cloth from another print job and offered this to Bill and Hank at a discount. When the books were ready, the Cornwall Press refused to release any
of them until they were paid. Ray C., a New York artist was "commissioned" to design the Dust Jacket for the
book. One of the first design submissions showed a man marching forward with fists clenched and a determined look on his face. In the background was a bottle with another man trapped inside. The name, Alcoholics Anonymous was in red across most of the cover and "Their Pathway to a Cure" was on the lower right-hand corner. Ray also designed what became known as the "Circus" Dust jacket, the one that was eventually used. This cover was red, yellow, black and white with just the name "Alcoholics Anonymous" on top. Sometime during the Winter of 1939, Bill, Hank, Ruth Hock and Dorothy S. (the
then wife of Clarence S. of Cleveland) went to Cornwall, NY to review the galleys. It is not known where, or for how long they stayed in this Orange County, New York hamlet, but it is known that they approved the galleys and the
book went to print. Almost 4,800 copies were ordered with a promise from the Cornwall Press that just as soon as these were sold, they were prepared to print several thousand more. When the books were ready, the Cornwall Press refused to release any of them until they were paid. Despite Bill's pleadings and promises of a quick turn-around, only those books paid for were let out of the warehouse. Very few
were paid for and most stayed in storage for many months. It wasn't until February 1940 that there was any real movement of these books. More will be revealed... Mitchell K. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6895. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Early meeting formats, or procedures From: Robert Stonebraker . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/22/2010 11:14:00 PM
simple and uncomplicated manner they carried the program particulars in those early days of AA.
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Bob Stonebraker 212 SW 18th Street Richmond, IN 47374 (765) 935-0130 4D website: www.4dgroups.org Art Studio: bobstonebraker.com =============================== -----Original Message----- From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Moore Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:22 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Early meeting formats, or procedures Gene E. A.A. # 28 "The Booze Fighter" Hi Bob, My old friend Gene Edmiston who got sober July 4th weekend 1939, attended New York City meetings at Oxford Groups and at Bill and Lois' home. Below is part of his talk, where he describes an OG meeting. Gene also described meeting with other AAs including his sponsor Paul Kellogg, in a public park, sitting on benches or picnic tables, and talking about sobriety.
Wilson, that had better than two years' sobriety. Bill had four, Parkhurst had three, and Fitzie Mayo had two. There were less than ten of us around New York. So our meetings for nearly a year, weren't meetings. It was just gatherings, we'd get together, Bill would lead, and we'd talk back and forth to Bill.
See, for the first four years, it was religion, strictly. These boys took me in, and they talked about (an occasion) when they had made a call on a certain fellow, and then one of them had to leave. The other one asked, "Would you *pray* for this Brother?", just like Methodists, Baptists, or anyone else steeped in religion (might say).
including Bill, because they weren't affiliated with a church. But some of the other boys were going to Protestant Churches, the Catholic Church, and others, two or three of them. I went to the Oxford Group with those boys; wouldn't be over two or three of us at a time. The ladies, wives, would go in and sit down; out the men would come, smoke cigarettes, talk about baseball, everything. But they weren't stressing their experience of drinking. They weren't getting religion there, it was spiritual. They were studying the Lord's Prayer, and "Sermon on the Mount" by Emmett Fox. We used "Sermon on the Mount" for a couple of years after we got our Big Book. That's where they got the idea for the formation of our Program. And the reason they didn't bring Jesus Christ into the Program is, they wanted it to be spiritual. Practically all religions practice the principles that we are practicing in AA. But we don't say "Christ" in it. They wanted everyone who came in here, not be offended from a religious standpoint. Now if a person of the Jewish faith would come in, and hear Jesus Christ discussed, he wouldn't feel comfortable, don't you see? And they got that idea out of "Sermon on the Mount"."
Group, Redondo Beach, Calif. Approx. 1977 See also http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6446 Bill W promised Gene that when the BB was reprinted, Gene's story "The Booze Fighter" would be included. But after a year, Gene got drunk and by the time he got back in the early 1940's his chance to get into the BB was lost. Gene was a wonderful, gentle giant of a man, an elder statesman in the finest sense. I knew him for about 8 years in my home group until I moved away in 1979, and Gene passed away a few years after that, he died sober and surrounded by AA friends.
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From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/24/2010 10:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I would suspect Jung was a supporter of the Oxford Groups methods and achievements. The statement "his attitude toward the Oxford Group also became more negative" seems to miss the mark. The following is from page 23 of Jung's 1938 Title: Psychology & Religion "It is also a fact that under the influence of a so-called scientific enlightenment great masses of educated people have either left the church or have become profoundly indifferent to it. If they were all dull rationalists or neurotic intellectuals the loss would not be regrettable. But many of them are religious people, only incapable of agreeing with the actually existing forms of creed. If this were not so, one could hardly explain the remarkable effect of the Buchman movement on the more or less educated Protestant classes." The "ambivalence" expressed by Jung in relating the story listed below (The Symbolic Life p.272)would seem more aimed at the lack of faith the group members have in their own methods and procedures rather than attitude on his part that religion couldn't do the job. On the contrary, Jung stated in Modern Man in Search of a Soul, p. 229)
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five– there has not been a single one whose problem in the last resort was not
that of finding a religious outlook on life. It is safe to say that every one of
them fell ill because he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has been really healed who did not
regain his religious outlook. This of course has nothing to do with a particular creed or membership of a church."73 (Moderm Man in Search of a Soul, p. 229)
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that of Rowland Hazard, his treatement by Jung, Courtenay Baylor, and his apparent relapses after his initial treatment in 1926, again in 1932 & lastly 1936/37. I'd sure like to see the pieces of that puzzle put together beyond the fine work I have already seen. God Bless John B --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Baileygc23@... wrote: > > Carl Jung on the Oxford Group: > > Carl Jung became aware of the Oxford Group in the 1920s when Alphonse > Maeder, his colleague and former assistant, became involved with the movement. Although Jung recognized that troubled patients sometimes gained a sense of security, purpose and belonging from Group involvement, in his view there was a sacrifice in personal individuation. He therefore did not understand what attraction the group could have for someone with the psychoanalytic sophistication of Maeder. For a time Jung was respectful of Maeder's convictions, but when his relationship with Maeder deteriorated in the 1930s his
attitude toward the Oxford Group also became more negative. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Group#cite_note-Adler-70 > > - - - - > > Jung expressed this ambivalence toward the Group in a talk about the > relationship of religion to mental health around 1941. "A hysterical alcoholic was cured by this Group movement, and they used him as a sort of model and sent
him all round Europe, where he confessed so nicely and said that he had done wrong and how he had got cured through the Group movement. And when he had repeated his story twenty, or it may have been fifty, times, he got sick of it and took to drink again. The spiritual sensation had simply faded away. Now what are they going to do with him? They say, now he is pathological, he must go to a doctor. See, in the first stage he has been cured by Jesus, in the second by a doctor! I should and did refuse such a case. I sent the man back to these people and said, 'If you believe that Jesus has cured this man, he will do it a second time. And if he can't do it, you don't suppose that I can do it better than Jesus?' But that is just exactly what they do expect; when a man is pathological, Jesus won't help him but the doctor will." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Group#cite_note-Carl_Jung_p._272-71 > > _________________________________________ > > In a message dated 9/21/2010 > johnlawlee@... writes: > > I don't believe Jung's "second way" was just fellowship. Jung was writing about a group of seekers trying to establish a personal relationship with God.
That's supposedly what Jung told Rowland -- when Rowland returned to the United
States, Jung thought he should look for a group of seekers, which is what Rowland did when he joined the Oxford Group. Jung, more than any man of science, emphasized the need for God and Divine Power. He wouldn't have recommended that Rowland rely on human power. > > John Lee > Pittsburgh >
++++Message 6897. . . . . . . . . . . . Bamford and Seiberling grave sites From: ron.fulkerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/22/2010 9:40:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bertha Dorthea Bamford is buried at the Walnut Ridge Cemetery in Jeffersonville, IN (812) 283-3707 Section I lot #30
Lawrenceburg, KY (502) 839-9966 Section 2 of the old cemetery. I specific directions which I could post if anyone wishes. (I also have recent pictures.) .... ronf IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6898. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W. - 1944 - many roads to recovery
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/23/2010 6:10:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Several people were sober prior to AA in Philadelphia. February 29th,1940 brought AA to the city of brotherly love. At Dr Saul's office, meetings were held in his waiting room by recovering alcoholics. Several members of the original Philadelphia" Mother Group" were waiting for something like what Jimmy Burwell brought with him. They had Oxford Group connections and were staying sober before AA's 12 steps. I think that what happened here was common in early
AA. People came to AA already sober by other methods. If you look at my posting on AA in India (AAHL posting 6561), you will see Francis C, formerly the lay therapist with Peabody, working for Dr Strecker had success getting alcoholics sober. (See "Alcohol: One Man's Meat" by Strecker and Chambers -- this letter I will be
shortly posting on http://www.Silkworth.net in its entirety.) Medical Doctors were close to getting a highly successful program for our disease. One Alcoholic working with another was in practice in Dr. Saul's waiting room. The tenets of the O.G. and one alcoholic working with another took it over the top. Hats off to Mr Wilson and his wet, foggy, ambitious alcoholic brain. Thank God for AA.
Shakey Mike Gwirtz hope to see you all here
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are many roads to recovery'?" White was quoting Bill W from comments in the Sept 1944 Grapevine to a Grapevine article by Philip Wylie. Wylie (who was not a member of A.A.) had written about
his own recovery and part of Bill's response was .... "the roads to recovery are many ... any story or theory of recovery from one who has trod the highway is bound to contain much truth."
http://silkworth.net/grapevine/bwresponsetopw.html For Philip Wylie's original article (which Bill W. was commenting on) see AAHistoryLovers Message 354 (and also 374 which seems to be a duplicate). IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6899. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Bob''s house From: Anders Bystr�m . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/24/2010 3:48:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1113467&l=699b081745&id=618575813 Loving greets from Sweden Anders
OBS NYTT TELEFONNUMMER - NEW PHONE NUMBER!! +46(0)765 - 773 562 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6900. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Bamford and Seiberling grave sites
From: looking@pigsfly.com> . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/24/2010 7:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII These pictures would be wonderful at findagrave.com. I would assume they could
be placed in the famous graves section. http://www.findagrave.com/ http://www.findagrave.com/php/famous.php - - - - From: ron.fulkerson Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 Subject: Bamford and Seiberling grave sites
Jeffersonville, IN (812) 283-3707 Section I lot #30 Henrietta Buckler Seiberling is buried at the Lawrenceburg Cemetery in Lawrenceburg, KY (502) 839-9966 Section 2 of the old cemetery. I specific directions which I could post if anyone wishes. (I also have recent pictures.) .... ronf IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6901. . . . . . . . . . . . Looking for Bill W''s will, royalties agreement, and AMA banner From: Serenerider . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/24/2010 11:48:00 PM
royalties agreement and the banner for the AMA from 1935 please.
(learning3legacies at suddenlink.net) Thanks IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6902. . . . . . . . . . . . Hallmark movie: ''When Love Is Not Enough''
From: Lynn Sawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/26/2010 1:52:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dear AAHL's, Had the wonderful opportunity to view this Hallmark Presentation on DVD w/a friend tonight. I thought this was a very accurate and poignant portrayal of the Bill and Lois story/life. Hallmark card stores have it for sale; you perhaps can order it from Amazon.com, as well. I highly recommend it; it's a great film.
grateful alkie Sacramento, California
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From: Charles Knapp . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/26/2010 11:07:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello Group I have added photos of Henrietta Seiberling and her parent's graves to The Find
A Grave website. Here is a link: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=59252532 Hope you enjoy Charles from Wisconsin IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6904. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bamford and Seiberling grave sites
From: Charles Knapp . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/26/2010 11:31:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello Group Have added a photo of Bertha Bamford's grave in Find A Grave. Here is a link:
Hope you enjoy Charles From Wisconsin IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6905. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Looking for Bill W''s will, royalties agreement, and AMA... From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/26/2010 11:59:00 AM
WILSON, residing at Steppingstones, Bedford Hills, New York (herein called "WILSON") and ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS WORLD SERVICES, INC., a membership corporation organized and existing under and by virtue of the laws of the State of
New York, N.Y. (herein called "A.A."); W I T N E S S E T H : WHEREAS, A.A. is the successor in interest to Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., a stock corporation (presently inactive) organized under the laws of the State of New York (herein referred to as "A.A.'s predecessor"); and WHEREAS, A.A.'s predecessor has heretofore assigned to A.A. all of its assets and properties subject to its liabilities; and Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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