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entered into, with the General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous Inc. for
the reprinting of the above named book in this country. Copyright has been reserved by America and no deviation in format is permitted. The price to groups is 16 shillings, and 19 shillings and sixpence to individuals. We are deeply grateful to the General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous Inc., New York,
for their kindness in affording us this privilege." My 1983 edition was "Printed in Great Britain by Hazell Watson and Viney Limited, Aylesbury Bucks". Laurie A. PS re sterling: The United Kingdom decimalised its currency in 1971. Before that one pound Sterling represented 20 shillings, or 144 pence. From 1971 a pound became 100 new pence. Over time coins that have been phased out (pre and post decimalisation) include the farthing - i.e. 'fourth thing', halfpenny - or ha'penny, old penny, threepenny bit (both silver and nickel), sixpence (now two and a half new pence), florin (now ten new pence), crown (five old shillings), half-crown (two old shillings and sixpence) and guinea (one pound plus one shilling old money). Then of course there was the medieval groat ...
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Wikipedia .... Doh! As for the spellings ... I'm at work right now but will check ... as far as I can see it's a first edition fourteenth printing, 1951, as stated on the reverse of the title page but has the intro relating to first (1954) and second (1956) impressions added beneath, so I'm guessing they used
the plates from the 14th print as the US printers would have been on the 15th
print by then. Jonathan L-C IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6866. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Chuck Parkhurst and 1946 March of Time
From: Chuck Parkhurst . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/10/2010 1:19:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Henry "Hank" Parkhurst is a distant relative from the Jersey Parkhursts. I can
tell you the direct link but as you can imagine, our name is not very common. I think Hank got a raw deal (maybe because he did not remain sober) and agree that
our book may have never been published without his drive (ego?) In Service with Gratitude, Chuck Parkhurst - - - - Original message from: Jonathan Lanham-Cook Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:32 AM Subject: Chuck Parkhurst and 1946 March of Time
relation to the, arguably unsung hero of those early days? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6867. . . . . . . . . . . . Sackville M. and the pope From: Jim M . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/15/2010 1:01:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I remember getting an email from a relative, I believe, of Sackville M., who had
a photo of the Pope, Sackville M., and Travers C. It appears that they are just
greeting each other in the photo. I was not given permission to use the photo online. But if my memory serves me correctly, the email I got from the relative -- the relative simply stated that they thought I'd be interested in the photo. I have uploaded the photo so you, the members of AA History Lovers can view the photo. Maybe someone here can tell us more about this photo. I will keep it online for a short time -- then remove it. I ask that if you save the photo to your computer, that you not put it up online on your web site or any other means, till I can track the source of the relative that sent it to me. For a brief period, you can view the photo here: http://www.silkworth.net/images/Un_Sash_and_Pope.JPG I'm pretty sure Sackville M. is in this photo with the Pope, I believe at the
Pope's left hand side. I really am unable to recognize the person at the Pope's right hand side. Maybe
some one here can tell us more about this photo. Remember, you can save the photo to your computer, but please do not post the
photo on the Internet till I can locate the relative who sent it to me. I have
been unable to locate the email so far, which I thought I had saved with the photo attached. But I have saved so many emails from many people over the years, including from AAWS Inc., the Director of Internet Operations for the AA Grapevine, Robert Ripley "Smitty" Smith's widow in Memphis TN, and a few folks
who authored Big Book stories in the 4th edition. Yours in service, Jim M.,
http://www.silkworth.net/ - - - - See message #6766 from Laurie Andrews http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6766 > > The May-June 2004 issue of "Markings", the AA GSO Archives newsletter, records the visit to Rome in 1972 of two Irish and English AA members for an audience with Pope Paul VI. He presented them with a medallion of the Good Shepherd, which is on display in the archives at GSO New York. There was (and maybe still
is) a photograph of the Pope with the AA members, Sackville M. and Travers C.,
at Stepping Stones. The visit to Rome was suggested by Archbishop Enrici because, he told a convention at Bristol, England, in 1971, the Vatican "was poorly acquainted with the work of the Fellowship". Sackville's story appeared
in the Big Book under the title "The Career Officer" (page 411 in "Experience, Strength and Hope").
(2010), Montana (2011) From: Shane Pena . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/10/2010 12:59:00 AM
Thurs. Sept. 23 - Sun. Sept. 26, 2010 Conference flier at http://aanationalarchivesworkshop.com/
(arthur.s at live.com) Hey Shakey, I'm planning to be at the NAW (have registered and made travel arrangements) but
can't get a program from the Georgia folks for the weekend - you have any idea
on what is going on? Cheers Arthur
MONTANA IN 2011 From: "Shane Pena" (shane.pena at verizon.net) Hi Gerry, I look forward to seeing you again in Macon, Georgia in a few weeks. Might you have any info on the location, hotels, prices, sights to see, etc., of
next year's NAW in Montana? Shane Area 5 Archivist (Los Angeles) - - - - From GFC the moderator: THE CONFERENCE FLIER GIVES THE WRONG POSTAL CODE FOR CORNELIA, GEORGIA (the one address which you are given to write to). It should be 30531 and not 39531. I haven't checked the phone numbers and email addresses, but http://aanationalarchivesworkshop.com/ gives these two people as the contact persons:
Ross McC. -- 706-778-0302 P.O. Box 170, Cornelia, Georgia 30531 CO-CHAIR: Dick A. -- 404-735-9254 If either of them would give us some more information about the Macon workshop, we would be glad to post it in the AAHistoryLovers.
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/8/2010 5:40:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Jared Lobdell and Arthur S. - - - - From: "J. Lobdell" (jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) Clyde B was 90 in March. So far as I know he is the oldest in sobriety (June 20, 1946), as well as oldest in age, to serve as a GSR. One reason, of course, is that anyone of that physical age is rarely the obvious
choice for GSR (the oldest I'd heard of recently before this is the current GSR
for a group in Lititz PA who just turned 87), but if this 3 PM Livengrin is an institutional meeting, Clyde might be the obvious choice, since neither a resident nor an employee of the institution should serve as GSR. I'm assuming
that, if this is essentially an institutional meeting, he is neither currently employed nor pensioned by Livengrin -- or that if he is employed or pensioned by Livengrin, that this 3 PM Sunday Group meeting is open to walk-ins (in other words not essentially an institutional meeting), even if it's a closed (members only) meeting. There is no bar to institutional groups having a GSR, provided the GSR is not being paid by the institution, or a restricted resident there.
pamphlet strongly recommends at least two years' sobriety, for the sake of the GSR, and while I have heard of some who served as GSR with three-months sobriety, I'm not at all sure the history lovers should be inquiring into violations of AA's recommendations. - - - - From: "Arthur S" (arthur.s at live.com) Hey Shakey I don't believe the GSO Fellowship New Vision records the date a member is born
but it may have provision for recording a sober date - Michelle might be able to
look up the info at the GSO Office. Cheers Arthur
Original message from Shakey Mike I was contacted today by Clyde B , of the 3 PM Sunday Group of AA at Livengrin, Bensalem PA.. He is the GSR for the group and has 64 years of sobriety. I do not
know his age (belly button) but was wondering what is the oldest and youngest
(in sobriety), to hold a position such as GSR. Has anyone with more time than
Clyde held such a service position? Yours in Service, Shakey Mike Gwirtz Phila PA Will I see you in Macon,GA at the NAW? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6870. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W. - 1944 - many roads to recovery
From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/9/2010 4:03:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Arthur, You spoke of "Bill Wilson's 1944 observation that there are many roads to recovery." I know that the Big Book remarks that "upon therapy for the alcoholic we have no monopoly" and "we realise we know but little."
"there are many roads to recovery"? Laurie - - - - THE PHRASE IN QUESTION IS AT THE END OF THE LONG PARAGRAPH BELOW: Original message no. 6838 From: "Arthur S" (arthur.s at live.com) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6838 Re: Most alcoholics ... have lost the power of choice William White's excellent book "Slaying The Dragon" should be required reading for any serious AA historian for providing a superb history of addiction treatment and recovery in America. It may not rise to the entertainment level of a Joe and Charley tape but will provide well researched and corroborated history about alcoholism. To borrow an excerpt: "What is most striking in this American history of addiction recovery is the incredible diversity of styles and media through which people have resolved their problematic relationships with alcohol and other drugs. Science is confirming Bill Wilson's 1944 observation that there are many roads to recovery." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6871. . . . . . . . . . . . Correction From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/9/2010 12:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII One pound sterling (old money) was made up of 240 old pennies (not 144 as I wrote). A shilling (called a "bob") was 12 old pence. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6872. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Letter by Bill to Group in Chicago
From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/9/2010 10:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Bill Lash and Jon Markle - - - - From: Bill Lash (barefootbill at optonline.net) This response letter from Bill seems incomplete. I don't think that he would start a letter with "That you seemed disillusioned with me...". He usually started off letters with a little frilly greeting before getting into the main
issue he was writing about. Does anyone have a copy of the complete letter (not
just what someone read from a podium) & does anyone have a copy of the letter
originally sent to Bill that this is in response to? Thanks. Just Love, Barefoot Bill - - - - Original message #6862 from: David G. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6862 Letter to Bill W. taking his inventory: A letter from a group in Chicago which was mailed to Bill W. in 1960, taking his
inventory and Bill W’s response. Bill was 26 years sober at the time. “That you seemed disillusioned with me personally may be a new and painful experience for you but many members have had that experience with me. Most of their pain has been caused not only by my several shortcomings but by their own insistence on placing me, a drunk, trying to get along with other folks, upon a completely illusionary pedestal; a station which no fallible person could possible occupy.” “I’m sure that you will understand that I have never held myself out to anybody
as either a saint or a superman. I have repeatedly and truthfully said that A.A.
is full of people who have made more spiritual progress than I ever, or can make. That in some areas of living I have made some decided gains but in others I seem to have stood still. And in others, still other ways I may have gone backwards. I am sorry that you are disillusioned with me but I am happy that even I have found a life here.” Bill Wilson 1960
From: Jon Markle Thanks for posting this today. As an aside, today I celebrate 28 years sober.
And I can totally relate to this letter from Bill W. So many times I find that
people expect more from me than I have to give, simply because I've been around
for a while. But, like Bill W., I am only a drunk, living sober one day at a time, making progress, no where near perfection. This past two years have been very trying for me, physically, but it has served
to witness the power of the program which applies in ALL my affairs. I thank goodness that I do not answer to man, but to my HP. Some in AA can be so hyper critical of "old timers" (although I realize there are many who have twice as much time sober as I). I actually prefer going to meetings with people in my age bracket (64+) with whom I can identify in sobriety and life. I find them much less critical and get very few "you should" comments. The level of understanding and living life on life's terms is more solidly down to earth and
expectations less important than in a meeting with "younger" members. But, that's just my experience. Yours may be different. Hugs for the trudge. Jon (Raleigh) 9/9/82
not interrupt those who are doing it."
Towns?
From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/14/2010 2:57:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Has anyone ever determined what the second book was that Bill was supposedly reading at Towns? I assume one of the books that Silkworth refers to would had to have been Varieties of Religious Experience. John B. __________________________________ Reclamation of the Alcoholic W.D. Silkworth Medical Record, April 21, 1937.
year, and had come, through alcohol, to a position where he was being supported by his wife, presented himself for treatment carrying with him two books on philosophy from which he hoped to get a new inspiration: His desire to discontinue alcohol was intense, and he certainly made every effort within his own capabilities to do so. Following the course of treatment in which the alcohol and toxic products were eliminated and his craving counteracted, he took
up moral psychology. At first, he found it difficult to rehabilitate himself financially, as his old friends had no confidence in his future conduct. Later he was given an opportunity, and is now a director in a large corporation. He gives part of his income to help others in his former condition, and he has gathered about him a group of over fifty men, all free from their former alcoholism through the application of this method of treatment and "moral psychology." To such patients we recommend "moral psychology," and in those of our patients who have joined or initiated such groups the change has been spectacular. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6874. . . . . . . . . . . . Hank P. and public office? From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/14/2010 3:05:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Many historians have said these two stories refer to Hank Parkhurst -- I certainly can see the similarities, and most of it adds up (age, lower case number than Bill's, lost family, etc). What throws me off a bit is the statement by Silkworth in his case history: "and has been elected to a prominent public
position." Can anyone shed light on this or can anyone say whether it has ever been proven
definitively that these two cases both refer to Hank? _______________________________ Case III (Hospital No. 993). - A man of thirty-eight, who had been drinking heavily for five years, had lost all of his property and was practically disowned by his family, was brought to the hospital with a gastric hemorrhage. His general condition was typical of allergic alcoholism and apparently he was
mentally beyond hope. Following through elimination and medical rehabilitation, he made a satisfactory physical return. He then took up moral psychology and, in
two years' time has entirely recovered his lost fortune and has been elected to a prominent public position. On meeting this patient recently, we experienced a strange sensation; while we recognized the features, a different man seemed to be speaking, as if a self-confident stranger had stepped into this man's body. Reclamation of the Alcoholic Medical Record, April 21, 1937 _______________________________
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chronic alcoholism. He had but partially recovered from a gastric hemorrhage and
seemed to a case of pathological mental deterioration. He has lost everything worthwhile in life and was only living, one might say, to drink. He frankly admitted and believed that for him there was no hope. Following the elimination of alcohol, there was found to be no permanent brain injury. He accepted the plan outlined in this book. One year later he called to see me, and I experienced a very strange sensation. I knew the man by name, and partly recognized his features, but there all resemblance ended. From a trembling, despairing, nervous wreck, had emerged a man brimming over with self-reliance and contentment.I talked with him for some time, but was not able to bring myself to feel that I had known him before. To me he was a stranger, and so he left me. A long time has passed with no return to alcohol. – Big Book 2nd ed. xxix IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6875. . . . . . . . . . . . A doctor said to us (Big Book p. 122)
From: Scott J . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/13/2010 8:44:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII At the beginning of the chapter on "The Family Afterward" (Big Book 4th edit.
third paragraph on page 122) it states: "A doctor said to us, 'Years of living with an alcoholic is almost sure to make
any wife or child neurotic. The entire family is, to some extent, ill.'" Does anyone know who that doctor was? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6876. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Sackville M. and the pope From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/16/2010 3:04:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The man on the right is Travers. - - - - From: silkworthdotnet@yahoo.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Sackville M. and the pope Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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