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From: Dudley Dobinson . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/6/2010 7:47:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi, I have a UK printing of the Second Edition. Sixth Printing 1974 in Great Britain using the Fifth Printing 1962 in the USA. A.A. Sterling Area Services are the publishers. This is I believe the publishing company for the British GSO of AA. Glen correctly describes sterling as being an adjective used to refer something as being British. The spelling was not Anglicised (Anglicized). Incidentally if you look at the pamphlet "A Newcomer Asks" you will see that it was first published in the UK by the same company. In fellowship - Dudley D. Birr Ireland - - - - The original message said: From G.C. the moderator I will defer to the experts on this, but surely the reference in the following question is not to a place called "Sterling," but to a printing of the Big Book
made for sale in the U.K. and those other parts of the world which used the British pound sterling as their official currency (instead of the U.S. dollar or the Mexican peso or Australian dollar or Indian rupee or whatever). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_silver One point raised in your question has me a bit curious. Did they in fact simply
use the plates from the U.S. version and keep the American spellings? Or did they re-set the type in the U.K. and convert to the British spelling of words? So for example, does your U.K. edition spell the word "color" or "colour"? "center" or "centre"? "defense" or "defence"? Etc. - - - - THE QUESTION: I have just bought a UK first edition, 2nd impression - printed in 1956 in Aylesbury, england. It mentions the Sterling area in a brief paragraph explaining how to contact AA and that the book was printed for distribution in the Sterling area acknowledging 'the American co-founders, the Alcoholic Foundation and General Service Head Quarters of New York. It's marked as a 14th
printing (1951) so I'm guessing they were able to use the plates for that edition ... I'm no expert on print! I'm aware of towns in the US called Sterling but can find nothing in the UK with that name - we have Stirling in Scotland but no Sterling .... anybody know anything about this and anybody know where Sterling is? - I'd love to get in touch with the local intergroup and/or archivist to find out some more - Help, anybody? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6855. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: AA''s birthday: Jim Burwell said June 15 for Dr. Bob''s last drink From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/6/2010 8:37:00 PM
(originally from Maryland and New York) sobered up in June 1938 and would not have had the opportunity to be directly aware of what was going on 3 years prior in AA at the time Bill W first met Dr Bob in Akron. In his Big Book story Dr Bob briefly describes his 3-day binge at an AMA convention in Atlantic City, NJ. Upon his return to Akron, Bill W helped him through a 3-day sobering up period to get ready for a scheduled surgery. Dr Bob had his last drink on the day of the surgery and gives the date as June 10, 1935. AA also marks this date as the beginning of the AA Fellowship.
On" (147) all erroneously state that the AMA Convention began the first week of June 1935. The AMA Archives has long-ago confirmed that the convention began in the 2nd week of June 1935 on June 10. Allowing for 3+ days of binging and blacking out followed by 3 days of sobering up, Dr Bob's sober date appears to actually be June 17th not June 10th. There are also good clues in AA literature for a reasonable deduction.
City Medical Convention and nothing was heard of him for several days." In Dr Bob and the Good Oldtimers (72-75) it cites (with my editing for brevity): Dr Bob ... began drinking . as he boarded the train to Atlantic City. On his arrival he bought several quarts on his way to the hotel. That was Sunday night. He stayed sober on Monday until after dinner ... On Tuesday, Bob started drinking in the morning and . [checked out of the hotel] . The next thing he knew . he was . in the . home of his office nurse ... The blackout was certainly more than 24 hours long . Bill and Anne had waited for five days from the time Bob left before they heard from the nurse ... She had picked him up that morning at the Akron railroad station ...
Upon Dr Bob's return, they had discovered that he was due to perform surgery 3 days later ... At 4 o'clock on the morning of the operation [Dr Bob] . said "I am going through with this ..." On the way to City Hospital ... Bill . gave him a beer . In the video Bill's Own Story, Bill says he gave Dr Bob a beer and "goofball" [a barbiturate] on the morning of the surgery. The same information is repeated in Pass It On (147-149). See also Not God, (32-33). Estimate of timeline based on the above: 09 June Sunday: Dr Bob started drinking on the train on the way in to Atlantic City, NJ and bought several quarts and checked into Atlantic City hotel.
the hotel. 12 June Wednesday: he was in a blackout (likely greater than 24 hours). 13 June Thursday: blackout continues (may have arrived at Akron train station). 14 June Friday: picked up by nurse in the morning at the train station then picked up by Bill at nurse's house (5 days after leaving). This is day 1 of 3-day dry out period with Bill.
a goofball (3 days after Bob's return) Cheers Arthur - - - - Original message from lanhamcookj Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: AA's birthday: Jim Burwell said June 15 for Dr. Bob's last drink I've been listening to a 1957 share by Jim Burwell entitled Jim-b-bbhistory1957, it's on the XA speakers website. There (15mins 40 secs) he clearly and unequivocally states that Dr. Bob's last drink was June the 15th 1935 - I've also heard (not sure where) somewhere that the only AMA convention being held at Atlantic City in 1935 ended the week after June the 10th. I'm wondering why is AA's birthday always stated as June 10th? Any clues anybody?
From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/6/2010 11:08:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In conducting some research I was directed to a very interesting publication called Listen - Journal of Better Living. It is published by the American Temperance Society. I came across a 1952 issue that features a 2 page story about Don Black, pitcher
for the Philadelphia Athletics and Cleveland Indians, and how he got sober through Alcoholics Anonymous. Email me at cbudnick@nc.rr.com if interested in a copy or do a Google search for
Adventist Archives and look for the publication Listen, 1952, Vol. 5 No. 3. Chris B. Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6857. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Listen - Journal of Better Living
From: john wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2010 2:46:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have found two articles that pertain to alcoholism. Been working on a book of periodicals pertaining to alcoholism, temperance, prohibition: LISTEN Apr-Jun 1952 Science and Alcohol Part II February 1970 Alcoholism
Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 10:08:09 PM Subject: Listen - Journal of Better Living
called Listen - Journal of Better Living. It is published by the American Temperance Society. I came across a 1952 issue that features a 2 page story about Don Black, pitcher
for the Philadelphia Athletics and Cleveland Indians, and how he got sober through Alcoholics Anonymous. Email me at cbudnick@nc.rr.com if interested in a copy or do a Google search for
Adventist Archives and look for the publication Listen, 1952, Vol. 5 No. 3. Chris B. Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6858. . . . . . . . . . . . Chuck Parkhurst and 1946 March of Time
From: Jonathan Lanham-Cook . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2010 9:32:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Chuck Parkhurst .... Any relation to the, arguably unsung hero of those early days? - - - - Original message from "Chuck Parkhurst" 1946 March of Time tonight (Sun. Sept. 5, 2010) I missed this on Sunday night. Does anyone know if it is showing again on Turner
or available through any media. Can it be purchased from anyone, loaned from any
AA service structure groups or libraries? Also, if anyone has feedback on the
actual feature, that would be great. - - - - HANK PARKHURST From G.C. the moderator: henry (Hank) Parkhurst was the first man Bill Wilson
was successful in sobering up after returning from his famous trip to Akron where he met Dr. Bob. His story in the first edition of the Big Book was called "The Unbeliever." For Hank's story and a photo of him, see http://www.a-1associates.com/westbalto/HISTORY_PAGE/Authors.htm IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6859. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 1946 March of Time tonight (Sun. Sept. 5, 2010) From: Bill . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2010 10:26:00 AM
See this link below: http://www.aamuncie.org/March_of_Time_1946.html It gives links to: #1 New York City Intro. Segment #1 #2 Fred Segment #2 #3 Close of Meeting Segment #3 #4 New York Office Segment #4 #5 Alcoholism Segment #5
Sept. 5, 2010) From: Cherie'' H. . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2010 8:13:00 PM
documentary (is that what it is called?). I look forward to watching all five segments when I get back home. This site also says the following: The December 1946 Grapevine reports the following: "Since June the Omaha, Nebr., Group has had a "skid row" Group going right across the street from Omaha's famous Hobo Park. For another dramatic touch they had an artist make a seven-foot, well dressed, domino-masked man to peddle a booklet on A.A. in the lobby of theatres showing "March of Time Problem Drinkers" and late showings of "Lost Weekend." About 1,500 pamphlets were put into circulation and phone calls at the club kept members hopping. Then, The A.A. Grapevine correspondent goes on, "outstate members. . .are organizing their
own local groups and this work needs a hand. Even if all of us didn't want to do
12th Step work, we'd be in it up to the eyebrows." The Muncie newspapers reported of the showing of both the "March of Time Problem
Drinkers" and late showings of "Lost Weekend", in December 1946. Cherie' H Alcoholic Warren, MI USA
Sept. 5, 2010) From: Al Welch . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/6/2010 4:54:00 PM
Turner or available through any media. Can it be purchased from anyone, loaned from any AA service structure groups or libraries? Also, if anyone has feedback on the actual feature, that would be great. - - - - From: "Al Welch" I have it as an .mpg movie. Be happy to forward it to you if it would help............. W. A. (Al) Welch 410 705-8395 West Baltimore Group of Alcoholics Anonymous http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/index.html - - - - From: CBBB164@AOL.COM (CBBB164 at AOL.COM) Since this effort is about our history, it would have been good had every member
of our Fellowship seen this 1946 film about alcoholism and Alcoholics Anonymous. The attitude portrayed by the actor representing recovered alcoholic's responding to a call for help is one of the important reasons why Alcoholics Anonymous was so successful in our earlier years. They recognized how narrow the
window of opportunity to help a suffering alcoholic was to the life and sobriety
of the newcomer as well as insuring their own sobriety. I was beneficiary of the dedication of such a person 46 years ago. In deep gratitude, cliff - - - - From: It was much better than I anticipated it would be, given the thinking and style
of the period. March of Time (which began on radio) reenacted historical events
from the radio series' beginnings, so it had no trouble portraying AA using actors (not all of them good actors, unfortunately). The first section was an overview of alcoholism research, including a section on the Yale alcoholism program featuring shots of a young Bunky Jellinek. I don't know if they will rerun, it was a series on TMC featuring several segments from the March of Time library, now apparently owned by HBO. Host Robert Osborne set the series up (as he does most of the material on TMC), and
had particular difficulty with the word "alcoholism," which he delivered in a way that almost seemed he was suffering from dipsomania himself. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6862. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Letter by Bill to Group in Chicago
From: David G. . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/8/2010 2:39:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Letter to Bill W. taking his inventory: A letter from a group in Chicago which was mailed to Bill W. in 1960, taking his
inventory and Bill W’s response. Bill was 26 years sober at the time. “That you seemed disillusioned with me personally may be a new and painful experience for you but many members have had that experience with me. Most of their pain has been caused not only by my several shortcomings but by their own insistence on placing me, a drunk, trying to get along with other folks, upon a completely illusionary pedestal; a station which no fallible person could possible occupy.” “I’m sure that you will understand that I have never held myself out to anybody
as either a saint or a superman. I have repeatedly and truthfully said that A.A. is full of people who have made more spiritual progress than I ever, or can make. That in some areas of living I have made some decided gains but in others I seem to have stood still. And in others, still other ways I may have gone backwards. I am sorry that you are disillusioned with me but I am happy that even I have found a life here.” Bill Wilson 1960
Original message from: Radiant761@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:35:37 +0000 Do you know of a letter Bill Wilson wrote to the group in Chicago in the 1950's
(I think) after strong criticism where he encourages them to not put him on a pedestal? I heard a speaker reference this letter, but that is all the details he gave.
Jill
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/8/2010 12:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bill, Sterling Carl Parker (b Akron 9 March 1900 d NY Oct 1963) was a tire salesman in Ridgewood NJ in 1930. He had attended the University of Akron in 1917-18 and possibly was at college in Ohio in 1926, when he is thanked for his help in preparing the yearbook NIHON. His wife's name was Ruth and he had children, including a son Sterling Carl Parker Jr (b. 1924). I'm afraid I can't tell you anything else about him: he is listed sometimes as Sterling C., sometimes as C. Sterling, and in the Social Security Death Index as Carl. -- Jared (There's no proof this is the right Sterling Parker, but given his Akron background and the fact he had several siblings living there in the 1930s, it seems reasonable.) - - - - Original message from: schaberg@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 13:45:16 +0000 > > For an ongoing research project, I am trying to locate any and all information on a man named STERLING PARKER -- who accompanied the Wilsons to and from Akron on their October, 1937 visit. > > He almost surely lived in New Jersey. > > Any information over and above that would be greatly appreciated. > > Best,
> > Old Bill IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6864. . . . . . . . . . . . re: Service positions From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/8/2010 10:08:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I was contacted today by Clyde B , of the 3 PM Sunday Group of AA at Livengrin,Bensalem PA.. He is the GSR for the group and has 64 years of sobriety. I do not know his age(belly button) but was wondering what is the oldest
and youngest (in sobriety), to hold a position such as GSR.Has anyone with more time than Clyde held sucha service position? Yours in Service, Shakey Mike Gwirtz Phila PA Will I see you in Macon,GA at the NAW? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6865. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Sterling area and U.K. 1st edit. Big Book
From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/7/2010 3:40:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Jonathan Lanham-Cook and Laurie Andrews - - - - From: Laurie Andrews (jennylaurie1 at hotmail.com) Bill W and Lois came to the UK on a trip to Europe in the summer of 1950 (his
first and only visit since his World War One army service; Lois visited the UK again in 1972). The book produced by the Great Britain AA magazine "Share" to mark the fellowship's 50th British anniversary in 1997 records: ========================= "His visit also helped sort out a major problem - how to get enough AA literature. Exchange control regulations meant that the groups in Britain could
not send money overseas and they were reduced to surviving on literature donated by the New York office or by public-spirited AA members in the US. 'I hope you received the Big Books which were sent as a gift from Bruce H.', wrote Ann from the New York office in February 1950. Bill was willing to waive his royalties on the Big Book and the New York office
was willing to sell it at as low a price as possible, ten shillings (50 pence).
A month later they suggested that books should be paid for in Britain and the
funds placed in a 'blocked Sterling account'. Bill's idea, which he outlined in a letter written to Canadian Bob from Dublin,
was that the money should accumulate in the bank to be used 'to bring off a publication at London at some convenient time in the future. It is purely a question of trying to persuade your government enough to get their consent. It could be pointed out that the AA book is indispensable to a rapid and successful growth of our movement, and that each time we sober up an alcoholic we confer a definite benefit, economically and socially, on the whole country.' In August, when Bill had returned to the USA, the Trustees gave consent to ship
1,500 gift books for the British Isles and Eire with provisos laid down on minimum price and exchange control account conditions. Thus AA literature sales were put on a proper footing." ========================= My fourth edition has the imprint: Printed in Great Britain by the Bath Press,
Bath, 2001) The AA "Newsletter" (predecessor of "Share") recorded in August 1959: " 'Twelve
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