To: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups. com
Dr. Paul's quote from page 417.
clear cut directions. Please read page 29: "Further on clear cut directions
are given showing how we recovered. These are followed by forty-two
personal experiences. "
[mailto:AAHistoryLo vers@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bridgetsbuddy
To: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups. com
> Hugs for the trudge.
From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2009 12:50:00 PM
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Dr. "Howard" is thought to be an alias. He may have been Dr. Marcus Curry,
wrote:
>
> The AA member was Hank Parhurst - he was living in Montclair NJ at the
time.
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>
> Prominent psychiatrist was Dr Howard of Montclair, NJ
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> Second psychiatrist was Dr Russell E. Blaisdell, Rockland State Hospital
> near Orangeburg NY.
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> My interpretation of ".the doctor agreed to a test among his patients." is
> not that he had a test, per se, but rather, to test this program, which
our
> friend (Hank) had described.
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> Lee Carroll, CPA
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> [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rickcard47
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:21 AM
> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Pg 163 who is the AA member, the 2
psychiatrists,
> and the hospitals?
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> I am asuming that the large community is NY, but was wondering who the AA
> member was, and what the test was that "that the doctor agreed to a test
> among his patients". Also it mentions 2 psychiatrists, any ideas? And what
> was the hospital and clinic?
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++++Message 5834. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Pg 163 who is the AA member,
the 2 psychiatrists, and the hospitals?
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2009 10:33:00 AM
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Marcus Curry would fit for "Chief Psychiatrist of the State of NJ" -- more
or
less -- but there's the possibility (given the "Dr. Howard") that it might
be
Dr. Howard W. S. Potter (1892-1984), of New York (Letchworth Village), a
native-born Jerseyan (Elizabeth, I think) -- tho' I don't know where he was
living in 1939. Perhaps someone could check the MS of Howard Potter's
reminiscences in the Columbia Medical Library.
> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> From: jax760@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:50:40 +0000
> Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Pg 163 who is the AA member, the 2
psychiatrists, and the hospitals?
>
> Dr. "Howard" is thought to be an alias. He may have been Dr. Marcus Curry,
head of Greystone in 1939.
>
> Regards
>
> --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Carroll"
wrote:
> >
> > The AA member was Hank Parhurst - he was living in Montclair NJ at the
time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Prominent psychiatrist was Dr Howard of Montclair, NJ
> >
> >
> >
> > Second psychiatrist was Dr Russell E. Blaisdell, Rockland State Hospital
> > near Orangeburg NY.
> >
> >
> >
> > My interpretation of ".the doctor agreed to a test among his patients."
is
> > not that he had a test, per se, but rather, to test this program, which
our
> > friend (Hank) had described.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lee Carroll, CPA
> >
> > (805) 938-1981
> >
> >
> >
> > IRS Circular 230 Tax Advice Disclaimer: As required by U.S. Treasury
> > Regulations governing tax practice, you are hereby advised that, if any
> > advice concerning one or more U.S. Federal tax issues is contained in
this
> > communication (including any attachments), such advice is not intended
or
> > written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding
> > penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing
or
> > recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed
herein.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rickcard47
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:21 AM
> > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Pg 163 who is the AA member, the 2
psychiatrists,
> > and the hospitals?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am asuming that the large community is NY, but was wondering who the
AA
> > member was, and what the test was that "that the doctor agreed to a test
> > among his patients". Also it mentions 2 psychiatrists, any ideas? And
what
> > was the hospital and clinic?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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++++Message 5835. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: RE: "Powerless over people
places things"
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2009 11:14:00 AM
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"There but for the Grace of God [goes old John Bradford]" is the first use I
know (1550?) of the phrase in English -- said, by a former paymaster of the
King's forces at Calais who had embezzled funds (possibly for drinking), but
been converted by Hugh Latimer and made amends and restitution, on seeing
another embezzler of the King's funds being taken away to execution. There
is
no particular question of predestination, nor is the phrase peculiar to
alcoholics -- in fact it was popularized long before the word "alcoholic"
existed. It refers quite simply to the fact that we (whoever we may be)
don't
recover (from any sin or sickness) by our own unaided efforts -- and I'm not
sure that should be contentious in A.A., or elsewhere.
> To: aahistorylovers@yahoogroups.com
> From: jennylaurie1@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:46:39 +0000
> Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] RE: "Powerless over people places things"
>
>
> Among the plethora of ideas discussed by our pioneers - for example,
establishing "AA" hospitals - about the only one to survive was the decision
to
publish the Big Book. Early members were aware that the message could be
diluted, distorted and misrepresented when passed on orally. The slogans
which
adorn the walls at so many AA meetings are not Conference-approved; though
three
of them appear at the end of chapter nine in the Big Book, viz: First Things
First; Live and Let Live; Easy Does It. One slogan - There but for the grace
of
God - is contentious, suggesting as it does that some alcoholics are chosen
for
salvation and others condemned. Likewise, the Serenity Prayer is not
Conference-approved, though undoubtedly an established part of our oral
tradition. So, unless tested by the Fellowship's group conscience as
expressed
at Conference, expressions heard at meetings, like e.g. Keep it simple
stupid,
should be taken with a pinch of salt. Some are more helpful than others;
some
are contrary to our tradition, e.g. "It (addiction) is all the same
illness."
>
> Laurie A.
>
>
> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> From: jdf10487@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:36:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] RE: "Powerless over people places things"
>
>
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>
>
> AA has a rich oral tradition which includes many sayings, slogans and
common
expressions.
>
> Some of these expressions can be found in the AA literature and others
can't.
Regardless of that fact, these saying and slogans are as much a part of
authentic AA History as the coffee pot. AA is as AA does, and AA does use
sayings and slogans. It always has and I believe that it always will.
>
> Sincerely, Jim F.
>
> --- On Wed, 6/24/09, johnlawlee@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> From: johnlawlee@yahoo.com
> Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] RE: "Powerless over people places things"
> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 4:56 AM
>
> The topic is "powerless over people, places and things", wnich cliche is
absent from the basic literature of AA, NA and Al-Anon. The topic is not
"people, places and things." According to the Unofficial Big Book Search
Engine, the word "people" is found on 78 pages of the basic text. "People"
isn't the topic either. You won't find the cliche "powerless over people
places
things" in the basic literature of AA. You won't find it in the basic
literature
of NA or Al-Anon either. You won't locate the recommendation "avoid people
places and things" in the basic literature of those three fellowships,
although
that nugget is heard frequently in rehabs, AA meetings and NA meeetings.
You'll
hear the chanting of "keep coming back" at virtually every AA meeting, but
that's not in the basic text of AA either. I don't believe you'll find it in
the
Bigger Book either [the one with the black cover and ribbon]. Christ never
said, "Keep coming back." He
> said, "Heal the sick...Freely have you received, freely give." In AA we
carry the message to those who still suffer.
> Pass it on.
> John Lee
> Pittsburgh
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Robert Stonebraker
wrote:
>
> From: Robert Stonebraker
> Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: "People places things"
> To: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 5:50 PM
>
> The inquiry comes from the previous message concerning the validity of
page
> Dr. Paul's quote from page 417.
>
> The answer:
>
> The stories in the second section of the book are not considered as the
> clear cut directions. Please read page 29: "Further on clear cut
directions
> are given showing how we recovered. These are followed by forty-two
> personal experiences. "
>
> The personal experiences are not the clear cut directions.
>
> Bob S.
>
> www.4dgroups. org
>
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> From: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:AAHistoryLo vers@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bridgetsbuddy
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:39 AM
> To: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: "People places things"
>
> What about this one? "When I am disturbed, it is because I find some
person,
> place, thing, or situation -- some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me,
> and I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing, or
> situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment."
> ("Acceptance was the Answer," BB, 4th Ed., p.417) No?
>
> --- In AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups. com
> , Jon Markle
...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Where does the concept of powerlessness over "people, places and
> > things" come from?
> >
> > Hugs for the trudge.
> >
> > Jon (Raleigh)
> > 9/9/82
> >
> > "The violets in the mountains have broken the rocks." (Tennessee
> > Williams)
> >
> > "Hope is the feeling we have that the feeling we have is not
> > permanent." (M.McLaughlin)
> >
> > "You know, I occasionally watch those preachers on the Christian TV
> > stations. I always think to myself: How can I believe your theology
> > when I can't believe your hair?" (Patricia Clarkson)
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++++Message 5836. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Pg 163 -Name, Place & Date
Reference
From: Ron Sessions . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2009 11:53:00 AM
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Hello Bill,
Thanks for the link to the "Big Book Name, Place, & Date References"
â“ I
recently wondered if Jim and Fred were based on real individuals â“ this
reference gave some names I can track down.
On another note â“ I noticed an error that might bear correction. I
donât
know who wrote the reference, so I am putting this into the ether.
Listed under âWe Agnosticsâ (Page 56), the âapproached by an
alcoholicâ
is linked to Bill Wilson, but based on Fitzâs story (Our Southern
Friend), the
man who made this approach was another patient in Townâs Hospital. After
this
approach was made Fitz had the âwho are you to say there is no Godâ
experience. The following day he met some of the folks that had gotten free
(assumedly Bill was one of them). Nancy Oâs bio of Fitz states
essentially the
same thing.
Iâm interested in finding out who the patient was, and what happened to
him. I
wonder at the wording applied to this individual, being described as âan
alcoholic who had KNOWN a spiritual experienceâ not âan alcoholic who
HAD a
spiritual experienceâ â“ as if to infer the man that made the
approach
didnât benefit from the info he transmitted to Fitz. Â This may simply
be a
matter of style and not substance.
In any case I would like any information other members might have about this
man.
Thanks so much,
Ron
--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Bill Lash wrote:
From: Bill Lash
Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] Pg 163 who is the AA member, the 2
psychiatrists,
and the hospitals?
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 6:04 AM
For all the "Big Book Name, Place, & Date References" please go to:
http://www.justlove audio.com/ resources/ Assorted/ Big_Book_ Name_and_
Date_References.pdf
Just Love,
Barefoot Bill
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++++Message 5837. . . . . . . . . . . . Houston S.
From: boydpickard . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/28/2009 12:48:00 AM
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Houston S. found AA in Montgomerty, Alabama in June 1944. He helped a man
named
Harry, who also had a drug problem, get sober. Through this interaction
Houston
was convenced that 12 Tweleve Steps could be applied to drug addiction as
well.
So convinced that when his company transfered him to Frankfort, Kentucky,
Houston contacted Dr.Vogel of the US Public Hospital in Lexington Kentucky (
specializing in drug addiction)and Dr. Vogel allowed Houston start an
Addicts
Anonymous Meeting using a modified version of the 12 steps of AA.
Houston remained a loyal supportor attending meetings nearly week until 1963
when he turned his duties over to Sterling S. another AA member.
Does anyone know this story and can anyone help me track down Houston's last
name. Some people say Houston Sewell and some say Houston Smith.
Any help would be appreciated.
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++++Message 5838. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: "There but for the grace of God"
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/28/2009 4:21:00 PM
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