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PART IV Alcohol, the Barbiturates, the Tranquilizers
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Alcohol, the Barbiturates, the Tranquilizers, and Other Sedatives and Hypnotics
wide spectrum of apparently contradictory effects. At various dose levels and phases of the drinking cycle it may depress or stimulate, tranquilize or agitate. It may release inhibitions or put the drinker to sleep. Medically, alcohol was long prescribed as a tonic, a sedative, and a soporific, but its traditional role in medicine has now been taken over largely by the barbiturates, minor tranquilizers, and other sedatives and hypnotics. Among the barbiturates are the "long-acting," such as phenobarbital, and the "short-acting," such as pentobarbital (Nembutal) and secobarbital (Seconal). As shown in Chapter 29, alcohol is very similar in effect to a short-acting barbiturate. ("Short-acting" means both that the drug's effects set in sooner and more abruptly and that they wear off sooner.) The minor tranquilizers resemble the barbiturates in some respects and differ in others (see below); included among them are meprobamate (Miltown, Equanil), chlordiazepoxide (Librium), and diazepam (Valium). Also classified as sedatives and hypnotics are glutethimide (Doriden), ethchlorvynol (Placidyl), chloral hydrate, and others. As used nonmedically in our society, alcohol is taken occasionally and in moderation with few undesirable side effects by the great majority of users. Its potential for harm, howeverâ“â“ mental and physicalâ“â“ makes alcohol
one of the most dangerous of all drugs to those who get drunk, to those who become addicted, and to those about them. An estimated 10 to 12 percent of all drinkers are alcoholics or "problem drinkers"; the number of alcoholics â“â“ that is, alcohol addictsâ“â“ is estimated to total five million people.
As with other addicting drugs, no user can foresee whether or when he will become addicted to alcohol. Moderate use of long-acting barbiturates appears to carry less risk of addiction than the use of short-acting barbiturates or alcohol. The minor tranquilizers and some of the other sedatives and hypnotics also carry the hazard of addiction to lesser degrees. The use of virtually all of these drugs can produce symptoms like those of alcohol drunkennessâ“â“ nausea, incoordination, loss of inhibitions, violence, etc. The best-known withdrawal symptom is the "hangover," experienced at times by even moderate users of these
drugs; convulsions, delirium tremens, and even death are among the risks shared by addicts following abrupt withdrawal. Chapter 28. The barbiturates for sleep and for sedation Two of the most common afflictions for which human beings through the centuries have sought relief in drugs are anxiety and insomnia. During much of the nineteenth century, the opiates were prescribed to relieve those symptoms; but they were addicting. The bromide salts were also often used to induce sleep or "calm the nerves"; but they gradually lost popularity because of the risk of chronic bromide poisoning. Chloral hydrate and paraldehyde, both quite effective as sedatives and hypnotics (sleeping potions), have an objectionable taste and smell. Thus many conservative physicians, even after the turn of the century, continued to prescribe alcohol as the sedative
and hypnotic of choice-a glass of wine in midmorning and midafternoon, perhaps, plus the traditional nightcap to induce sleep. But a growing number of patients in need of sedatives and hypnotics were also ardent "teetotalers," who had "taken the pledge" of total abstinence from intoxicating beverages. Other patients didn't like the taste or smell of alcohol. Still others tended to take more alcohol than prescribed. Hence, despite the wide range of sedatives and hypnotics available at the end of the nineteenth century, the search for a better drug continued. It was in the course of this search that two German scientists, von Mering and Fischer,
synthesized a new chemical called barbital, a derivative of barbituric acid.
Tested on both animals and humans, barbital seemed to have precisely the desired qualities. When a patient complaining of insomnia, for example, was given a capsule containing a moderate dose of barbital and told that it would facilitate sleep, the patient promptly fell asleep. Nervous, anxious patients given much smaller doses for daytime use and told the drug would "calm their nerves" found that it did. In 1903 barbital was introduced into general medical practice under the trade name Veronaland soon became very popular.
A second barbituric acid derivative, phenobarbital, was introduced under the trade name Luminal in 1912. More than 2,500 other barbiturates were subsequently synthesized, and some fifty of them were accepted for medical useâ“â“
as sedatives, as sleeping pills, and for other purposes. Long-acting barbiturates were developed for daytime sedation; short-acting barbiturates followed for prompt sedation and for inducing sleep without delay. _1_ (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu28.htm#Anchor-Chap ter-\
5) Combinations were also introducedâ“â“ a short-acting barbiturate to put you to sleep combined with a long-acting one to keep you asleep. These new drugs seemed to have notable advantages over their predecessors, including alcohol. They were odorless and tasteless. Precise quantities could be dispensed in capsule or tablet form. When barbiturates were taken as directed, in small doses for sedation and moderate doses for sleep, few side effects were noted. True, the short-acting barbiturates carried some risk of addiction, but there was no evidence that the long-acting barbiturates were addicting. After taking small daily doses for weeks or even months, a patient could discontinue without discomfort-much as most people can take a daily alcohol cocktail or nightcap without becoming addicted. It was hardly surprising, therefore, that the barbiturates became so popular among physicians and patients alike. By the end of the 1930s an estimated billion grains were being taken each year in the United States alone. _2_ (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu28.htm#Anchor-Chap ter-\
our mainstays in the treatment of epilepsy and is almost irreplaceable for this purpose," a professor of internal medicine wrote in 1971. "Phenobarbital and . . . Librium [chlordiazepoxide, a tranquilizer] in small doses are extremely valuable in the management of high blood pressure, peptic ulcer, and anxiety. The majority of people who are given these drugs (it must be nearly 99.9 percent) never develop any dependence on them, so that in a relative sense they are quite safe." * _4_ (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu28.htm#Anchor-Chap ter-\
barbiturates, such as secobarbital and pentobarbital, he added, are another matter.
pentobarbital [a short-acting barbiturates] per day can be ingested over many months without the development of any tolerance or physical dependence." _3_ (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu28.htm#Anchor-Chap ter-\ 49575 [26]) Footnotes Chapter 28 1. Seth K. Sharpless, in Goodman and Gilman, 4th ed. (1970), p. 98.
JAMA, 108 (April 8, 1937): 1343. 3. Jerome H. Jaffe, in Goodman and Gilman, 4th ed. (1970), p. 290. 4. Harris Isbell, personal communication, February 26, 1971. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6066. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Holding hands during the Lord''s Prayer
From: oldsmokef . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/19/2009 11:58:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This was passed on to me years ago: "We hold hands so that nobody will steal our wallet" Some groups are rougher than others. Mike K. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6067. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Great Reality in the Big Book pp. 55 and 161 From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/21/2009 7:41:00 PM
-the\
And thine eyes shall be opened to the glory of the Great Reality. What, then, is the Great Reality? The Great Reality is a stainless heart, An enlightened understanding, A soul whose perfect peace is not disturbed. By the practice of righteousness only can the Great Reality be known; He alone can perceive it who controls himself; He alone can enter it who purifies himself; He alone can abide therein who is free from all sin. In the Great Reality all religions and philosophies culminate, They meet here, and then vanish away, For there is no division in the Great Reality, Strife and unrest cannot enter there, And he who comes to it is filled with peace. Thou who wouldst understand the Great Reality; Thou who wouldst enter it, and know its peace; Seek the One behind the many, Seek the Silence behind the noise, Seek Truth behind self; Seek for that which is holy and peace-giving, Which abides, and does not pass away like the morning dew. Wisdom abides; Love abides; Compassion abides; Truth abides; Therefore sacrifice self, For self and all the things of self are perishable, They belong to the unreal! Awake, then, out of thy dreaming! Disperse all thy shadows, Destroy all thine illusions, And thou shalt enter the Great Reality; Filled with peace, thou shalt dwell with the Eternal Harmonies; Filled with bliss, thou shalt sing the everlasting Song, The Song which thrills the spaces and the worlds; Thy Song and mine thus shalt thou sing,-- I have made the acquaintance of the Master of Compassion; I have put on the Garment of the Perfect Law; I have entered the realm of the Great Reality. Wandering is ended, for Rest is accomplished; Pain and sorrow have ceased, for Peace is entered into; Confusion is dissolved, for Unity is made manifest; Error is vanquished, for Truth is revealed. Blessed is he who has resolved to abandon self: Blessed is he who is pure; Blessed is he who has destroyed all his illusions; He has found the Great Reality at last. The universe is glad, for again the Master is revealed; The universe is glad, for again the Law of Good is expounded; The universe is glad, for again the Great Reality is comprehended. - - - - --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Bernadette MacLeod wrote:
pp. 55 and 161 of the Big Book refer to, and what is its origin? Bernadette M. King City Group Ontario, Canada
Book pp. 55 and 161 From: Charlie Parker . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/22/2009 11:44:00 AM
Companion was written? Charlie Parker Austin, Texas Toll free 877-223-6387
______________________________ The Divine Companion was published in 1919. ______________________________ As a Man Thinketh was published earlier, in 1902. "Allen’s best known book. If you’re new to his work, you probably want to read this one first." Spanish translation: Como el Hombre Piensa (2003), traducido por Claudio Lincol. See also http://hindsfoot.org/kml3rc1.html Mel B., Three Recovery Classics: As a Man Thinketh (by James Allen), The Greatest Thing in the World (by Henry Drummond), An Instrument of Peace (the St. Francis Prayer), September 2004.
list of recommended readings for newcomers to A.A. given at the end of the original edition of A Manual for Alcoholics Anonymous (THE AKRON MANUAL), as it was published by the Akron group in late 1939 or early 1940, with Dr. Bob's approval we must assume, so that these newcomers might better understand the spiritual aspects of the program. ______________________________
______________________________ -----Original Message----- John Barton, Wednesday, October 21, 2009 Re: The Great Reality in the Big Book pp. 55 and 161
-the\
And thine eyes shall be opened to the glory of the Great Reality. What, then, is the Great Reality? The Great Reality is a stainless heart, An enlightened understanding, A soul whose perfect peace is not disturbed. By the practice of righteousness only can the Great Reality be known; He alone can perceive it who controls himself; He alone can enter it who purifies himself; He alone can abide therein who is free from all sin. In the Great Reality all religions and philosophies culminate, They meet here, and then vanish away, For there is no division in the Great Reality, Strife and unrest cannot enter there, And he who comes to it is filled with peace. Thou who wouldst understand the Great Reality; Thou who wouldst enter it, and know its peace; Seek the One behind the many, Seek the Silence behind the noise, Seek Truth behind self; Seek for that which is holy and peace-giving, Which abides, and does not pass away like the morning dew. Wisdom abides; Love abides; Compassion abides; Truth abides; Therefore sacrifice self, For self and all the things of self are perishable, They belong to the unreal! Awake, then, out of thy dreaming! Disperse all thy shadows, Destroy all thine illusions, And thou shalt enter the Great Reality; Filled with peace, thou shalt dwell with the Eternal Harmonies; Filled with bliss, thou shalt sing the everlasting Song, The Song which thrills the spaces and the worlds; Thy Song and mine thus shalt thou sing,-- I have made the acquaintance of the Master of Compassion; I have put on the Garment of the Perfect Law; I have entered the realm of the Great Reality. Wandering is ended, for Rest is accomplished; Pain and sorrow have ceased, for Peace is entered into; Confusion is dissolved, for Unity is made manifest; Error is vanquished, for Truth is revealed. Blessed is he who has resolved to abandon self: Blessed is he who is pure; Blessed is he who has destroyed all his illusions; He has found the Great Reality at last. The universe is glad, for again the Master is revealed; The universe is glad, for again the Law of Good is expounded; The universe is glad, for again the Great Reality is comprehended. - - - - --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Bernadette MacLeod wrote:
pp. 55 and 161 of the Big Book refer to, and what is its origin? Bernadette M. King City Group Ontario, Canada
Big Book page 7 From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/22/2009 7:49:00 PM
and could potentially have been deemed to be a sedative at the turn of the century was Laudanum, a strong mixture of Opium and Morphine.
considered laudanum at the beginning of the century, but it had been very popular for many years up to the middle of the 20th century for a wide variety of 'ailments' and was used/abused by many people throughout its history.
in 1914, but it was still widely prescribed through the middle of the century for a wide variety of illnesses. My wife remembers being given this in the 60s.
Book pp. 55 and 161 From: John Schram . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/22/2009 6:01:00 PM
No reference to an earlier publication. John Schram Samuel Lasenby Bookseller - - - - John is here responding to Message 6068, which said: See http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/ JAMES ALLEN (1864-1912) His little piece the Divine Companion was published in 1919 (i.e. posthumously). - - - - Glenn C., South Bend IN, responding to John's 1968 date: Hmmm. If you google for "James Allen" "Great Reality" all of the online sources give its original date of publication as 1919. When looking in catalogs, remember that it is just a short piece, not a book. It is only 639 words, i.e., two typed pages long.
called "The Divine Companion" which was published in 1919:
The Divine Messages, Instruction, concerning The Great Reality
information about this piece? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6071. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Great Reality in the Big Book pp. 55 and 161 From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/23/2009 6:45:00 AM
us. In the last analysis it is only there that He (sic) may be found." (Big Book, page 55)
that they have tapped an unsuspected inner resource ... our more religious members call it 'God-consciousness.'" (Big Book, Spiritual Experience)
it was shadowed by sorrow and scorched by the fierce lines of suffering. And I looked for the cause. I looked around, but I could not find it. I looked in books, but I could not find it. I looked within, and found there both the cause and the self-made nature of that cause. I looked again, and deeper, and found the remedy. I found one Law, the Law of Love; one Life, the life of adjustment to that Law; one Truth, the Truth of a conquered mind and a quiet and obedient heart..." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6072. . . . . . . . . . . . Are you confusing laudanum with paregoric? From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/23/2009 11:56:00 PM
_tincture_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tincture) of _opium_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium) , also known as tinctura opii camphorata, is a _medication_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medication) known for its _antidiarrheal_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidiarrheal) , _antitussive_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitussive) , and _analgesic_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analgesic) properties. It was a household remedy in the 18th and 19th centuries, when it was widely used to calm fretful children. In the 20th century
its use declined as governments regulated it. Until very recently in the U.S., paregoric was a _Schedule V_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schedule_V) drug, and was available _over-the-counter_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-counter) in pharmacies in several states by simply signing a register/logbook. Today, paregoric can still be found in the _pharmacopeia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Pharmacopeia) , but it has been re-regulated as a _Schedule III_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schedule_III) drug under the _Controlled Substances Act_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act) .) The drug is available now only by medical prescription. The principal active ingredient is powdered _opium_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium) (containing the equivalent of 0.4 mg/mL of _morphine_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine) ). Other ingredients are _benzoic acid_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzoic_acid) , _camphor_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor) , _glycerin_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerin) , _anise oil_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anise_oil) and _purified water_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water) . The main effect of this preparation is to increase the muscular tone of the intestine, and also to inhibit normal _peristalsis_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristalsis) . Its main
medicinal use is to control _fulminant_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulminant) _diarrhea_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarrhea) . It is also an _antitussive_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitussive) (cough suppressant). Problems with its use include _opiate dependency_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate_dependency) and analgesia which can mask symptoms of diseases that need treatment. Paregoric is sometimes confused with _laudanum_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudanum) , because their chemical names are similar: camphorated tincture of opium (paregoric) vs. tincture of opium (laudanum). However, laudanum
contains 10 milligrams of morphine per milliliter, 25 times more than paregoric. Confusion between the two drugs has led to overdose and deaths in several patients. Thus the term "paregoric" should be used instead of "camphorated opium tincture," since the latter may be confused with laudanum. Paregoric was available 'over-the-counter' on a signature basis in the United States until the Controlled Substance Act classed it as a Schedule III
Narcotic in 1973. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paregoric.jpeg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paregoric.jpeg) Bottle of Paregoric with Synonyms YIS, Shakey Mike - - - - Mike, The problem is that paregoric is used for diarrhea and for coughs. But I am very dubious about it being prescribed as a "sedative" for somebody who was acutely suicidal. Bill wasn't suffering from either diarrhea or a bad cough, as far as we know, but he does say that he was acutely suicidal, and from other things said in his story, he was probably at the stage where he developed the shakes whenever he tried to stop drinking. Paregoric wouldn't have been either strong enough, or an appropriate medication, for that. Seems to me, anyway. Glenn IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6073. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What sedative was Bill taking in Big Book page 7 From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/23/2009 6:03:00 PM
on Bill's description in the Original Manuscript. The operative word is "drinking."
found me drinking both gin and sedative. This combination soon landed me on the rocks."
Big Book page 7 From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/24/2009 8:01:00 AM
> > As a pharmacist in the fellowship > > Yours in Service, > Shakey Mike Gwirtz > - - - - As a pharmacist, Mike, do you think there is any clue in the Bill's recollection of "drinking" the sedative? From what I've read, bromides were often dispensed as powders made up into little one-dose packets by the pharmacist and dissolved in water (the original meaning of "take a powder"). Barbiturates were still on patent and more often dispensed in the form of tablets. OTOH, the long-term toxicity of bromides was known at the time so it seems there would have been a preference for the barbiturates, which were thought to be safe. If Bill had been prescribed a syrup like chloral or a mixture made up by the pharmacist, to say that he was "drinking" it would be a little scary but Bill was not averse to hyperbole. I'm sure Ben meant to say that paraldehyde was given in a glass medicine cup,
not plastic. I saw a nurse try to give some to a patient (around 1976) in a plastic medicine cup, and it was an interesting sight. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6075. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What sedative was Bill taking in Big Book page 7 From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2009 9:44:00 AM
Farbenfabriken Bayer around 1902, though secobarbital ("Seconal") was available from 1928 and if thinking of "gin and Seconal" one might easily write "gin and sedative" -- but the preeminent sedative in the early 1930s in the United States was still phenobarbital, so far as I know. (In the later 1930s/early 1940s it was a name as familiar to a child in Northern
NJ as "aspirin" or "Cheracol" or "terpin hydrate" or "milk of magnesia" or "cod
liver oil" though I was only given cheracol [occasionally] and milk of magnesia
and [of course] cod liver oil. And for external application there was iodine and
mercurochrome. Apparently btw it is now illegal to sell mercurochrome across state lines because after three quarters of a century of use the FDA decided it was a new drug and required formal testing and approval.) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6076. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What sedative was Bill taking in Big Book page 7 From: glennccc . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2009 4:38:00 PM
that the "sedatives" he was using were barbiturates and bromides. One of the bromide compounds that he tried at one point gave him hallucinations of bright colored lights like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, so some of these bromides were pretty powerful stuff. 1928-29 Nembutal http://hindsfoot.org/pflou1.html Nembutal = pentobarbital, a short-acting barbiturate
http://hindsfoot.org/pflou2.html Bromide compounds, especially potassium bromide, were frequently used as sedatives in the 19th and early 20th century. In some countries, bromide salts remain available in a liquid form at pharmacies, although since the 1950s they have been removed as over-the-counter sedatives in most countries in the West. Potassium bromide in particular was widely used as an anticonvulsant and a sedative in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. 1942 bromides http://hindsfoot.org/pflou2.html 1943 Benzedrine and barbital http://hindsfoot.org/pflou2.html Benzedrine = amphetamine, closely related to other stimulants produced later,
such as Dexedrine and methamphetamine ("crystal meth"). While Benzedrine was initially used for medical purposes, as a bronchodilator, early users of the Benzedrine inhaler discovered that it had a euphoric stimulant effect, resulting in it being one of the earliest synthetic stimulants to be widely used for recreational (i.e., non-medical) purposes. Even though this drug was intended for inhalation, many people abused it by cracking the container open and swallowing the paper strip inside, which was covered in Benzedrine. The strips
were often rolled into small balls and swallowed, or taken with coffee or alcohol. The drug was often referred to as "bennies" by users and in literature.
marketed barbiturate. It was used as a sleeping aid (hypnotic) from 1903 until the mid-1950s. 1943 combining taking barbital with drinking alcohol (very dangerous) http://hindsfoot.org/pflou3.html Glenn C., South Bend, Indiana - - - - --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "J. Lobdell" > > My best guess would be phenobarbital ("Luminal"), first synthesized by Farbenfabriken Bayer around 1902, though secobarbital ("Seconal") was available from 1928 and if thinking of "gin and Seconal" one might easily write "gin and
sedative" -- but the preeminent sedative in the early 1930s in the United States
was still phenobarbital, so far as I know. > > (In the later 1930s/early 1940s it was a name as familiar to a child in Northern NJ as "aspirin" or "Cheracol" or "terpin hydrate" or "milk of magnesia" or "cod liver oil" though I was only given cheracol [occasionally] and milk of magnesia and [of course] cod liver oil. And for external application there was iodine and mercurochrome. Apparently btw it is now illegal to sell mercurochrome across state lines because after three quarters of a century of use the FDA decided it was a new drug and required formal testing and approval.) >
++++Message 6077. . . . . . . . . . . . Archive Collection Display From: john wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2009 4:43:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII On November 19, 2009 fromm 1-3 PM CST at Level Plains Group, in Level Plains, Alabama. (About three miles east of Enterprise, Alabama, in the southeastern corner of Alabama, about fifteen miles from the Florida state line.)
Movement, Washingtonian and Prohibition items. Books, newspapers, magazines, artifacts.
Enterprise, Alabama (334) 389-3231 Levelplainsaa@hotmail.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6078. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Great Reality in the Big Book pp. 55 and 161 From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/23/2009 7:06:00 PM
soul" and said it should be the last book of his to be read. Published after his death in 1919.
- - - - --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "John Schram" > > World Cat shows a publication date of 1968. > No reference to an earlier publication. > > John Schram Samuel Lasenby Bookseller > > - - - - > > John is here responding to Message 6068, > which said: > > See http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/ > JAMES ALLEN (1864-1912) > His little piece the Divine Companion was > published in 1919 (i.e. posthumously). > > - - - - > > Glenn C., South Bend IN, responding to John's > 1968 date: > > Hmmm. If you google for > > "James Allen" "Great Reality" > > all of the online sources give its original > date of publication as 1919. > > When looking in catalogs, remember that it is > just a short piece, not a book. It is only 639 > words, i.e., two typed pages long. > > It seems to have been included in a volume > called "The Divine Companion" which was published > in 1919: > > James Allen, The Divine Companion, Part III. > The Divine Messages, Instruction, concerning > The Great Reality > > See http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/ > > http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/?text=the-divine-companion > > http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/?text=the-divine-companion#p3c12 > > Does anybody else have any further bibliographical > information about this piece? >
++++Message 6079. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What sedative was Bill taking in Big Book page 7 From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2009 5:45:00 PM
(Baileygc23 at aol.com) - - - - http://silkworth.net/grapevine/goof_balls.html "Those 'Goof Balls'" by Bill W. Grapevine, November 1945
these
and kindred drugs have killed many alcoholics. And I once nearly killed myself
with chloral hydrate. Nor is my own observation and experience unique, for many
an old-time AA can speak with force and fervor on the subject of 'goof balls.'"
Chloral hydrate was prescribed for one of my terrible hangovers. The doctor warned me to stick rigidly to his dosage, but I kept possession of the bottle. While my wife slept quietly beside me, I reached under the mattress, took out the flask, and guzzled the whole business. I had a close shave. Moral: When a doctor gives a legitimate prescription, don't let the alcoholic have the bottle." - - - - http://www.silkworth.net/gsowatch/1938/manu38/manu38.htm "Transcript of Bill Wilson's original story of 1938" Page 21, lines 608-619 608. conditions still worse. Then came a night I when the physi- 609. cal and mental torture was so hellish that I feared I would 610. take a flying leap through my bedroom window sash and all 611. and somehow managed to drag my mattress down to the kitchen 612. floor which was at the ground level. I had stopped drinking 613. a few hours before and hung grimly to my determination that 614. I could have no more that night if it killed me. That very 615. nearly happened, but I was finally rescued by a doctor who 616. prescribed chloral hydrate, a powerful sedative. This reliev- 617. ed me so much that next day found me drinking apparently 618. without the usual penalty, if I took some sedative occasion- 619. ally. In the early spring of 1934 it became evident to IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6080. . . . . . . . . . . . Paul M. from IL From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/28/2009 12:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Paul Martin from Illinois (sober over 50 years) died on Sunday 10/25/09. Obituary: Paul W. Martin, age 87, of Bethlehem Woods, LaGrange Park, formerly of Riverside for 42 years. A Veteran U.S. Navy Pilot during WW II, loving brother of Ted (Nancy) Pannkoke; fond uncle of Ted W. (Melissa) Pannkoke and Rick (Kathrin) Pannkoke; dear friend of Judy Giannelli and family of LaGrange for 27 years. Paul had many accomplishments in life as a successful Journalist. He wrote articles for numerous publications including the Chicago Sunday Tribune Magazine, Christian Century, The Grapevine, The Lion, a publication of the Lions Club. He wrote two books on the history of the Lions Clubs, the first We Serve and the second Lions Clubs in the 21st Century. He spoke Spanish fluently and traveled widely , including trips to Mexico and South America and Russia. A Health and Science writer, he hosted his own television show, was a professional wrestler and boxer, and was a true sportsman. He worked in Greenland, Iceland and Alaska in the 1950's, on the Dew Line radar warning system . In the Navy he catapulted, in observation planes, off of battle Ships. He had a great sense of humor and always had a joke. Visitation Wednesday 3 to 9 p.m. at Hallowell & James Funeral Home, 1025 W. 55th St., Countryside. where services will be held on Thursday at 10 a.m. Interment Private. In lieu of flowers, memorials to Riverside Twp. Lions Club, Hadley School for the Blind and St. Thomas Hospice appreciated.
1025 W. 55th Street Countryside, IL 60525 Phone: 708-352-6500 Fax: 708-352-6528
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?n=paul-w-marti n&pid=135069949
Big Book
From: MICHAEL DONNELLY . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/27/2009 5:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Where does the phrase The Broad Highway on page 55 of the Big Book come from? If anyone can give me a reference on this one, I would really appreciate it. Thanks and God Bless! Michael D. Sioux Falls, South Dakota - - - - IN ITS CONTEXT ON PAGE 55 (The phrase "the Broad Highway" is in the third paragraph, in the second sentence):
in every man, woman, and child, is the fundamental idea of God. It may be obscured by calamity, by pomp, by worship of other things, but in some form or other it is there. For faith in a Power greater than ourselves, and miraculous demonstrations of that power in human lives, are facts as old as man himself.
a part of our make-up, just as much as the feeling we have for a friend. Sometimes we had to search fear- lessly, but He was there. He was as much a fact as we were. We found the Great Reality deep down within us. In the last analysis it is only there that He may be found. It was so with us.
mony helps sweep away prejudice, enables you to think honestly, encourages you to search diligently within yourself, then, if you wish, you can join us on the Broad Highway. With this attitude you cannot fail. The consciousness of your belief is sure to come to you.
paregoric? From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2009 8:07:00 PM
> or an appropriate medication, for that. I was talking about Laudanum. It was liquid as well and commonly used/abused as a drug, which paregoric is not of sufficient strength to easily accomplish. Jim IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6083. . . . . . . . . . . . A question about the 1st AA pamphlet From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/29/2009 8:40:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I just noticed a difference in 2 AA pamphlets as I de-acidified, removed staples and re-sewn them. Both are 1944 pamphlets and the first one I have (which was distributed by the Harrisburg group of AA group stamp on it stamped on front cover) says "published by the Alcoholic Foundation Inc. PO Box 459 (Grand Central Annex) New York 17 NY. The other pamphlet has no group stamp on it but above the information above it says "An AA Publication.." Both have exactly the same information inside there 29 pages. Does anyone know the reason for the addition or deletion of "An AA Publication" in the pamphlet. Both now rest in a "Philly File", for those of you who attended the NAW in CA. I'm hoping that some of you may know the reason for the change. Thank You, Shakey Mike Gwirtz Phila, PA USA
From: Mae H. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/30/2009 9:38:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The first World Services approved Braille copy of "As Bill Sees It" was transcribed in September, 2009.
provide it. E-mail me at (maehusk2006 at yahoo.com) Mae H. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6085. . . . . . . . . . . . Article by Bill Wilson about Mature Love
From: doci333 . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/31/2009 2:19:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am looking for an article written by Bill Wilson entitled "Mature Love." I have been told that it was about relationships. Looking for info and source please. AA Love and Hugs, Dave IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6086. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Paul M. from IL From: khemex@comcast.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/30/2009 6:12:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII As a matter of fact, as of this past August 15th Paul Martin celebrated 62 years of continuous sobriety in AA.
From: "Bill Lash" http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6080
died on Sunday 10/25/09. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6087. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Broad Highway on page 55 of the Big Book From: Texoma Coalition . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/31/2009 7:49:00 AM
What I understand this term to mean is that A.A. is an all-encompassing fellowship where prople of all different kinds of beliefs gather to deal with
the problem of alcoholism. Bill is throwing out a term that appears, at least a
first glance, to be a contradiction of what Christ is quoted as saying in the
Bible regarding the gate and way to life being narrow while the gate and way to destruction is broad. But that's not what Bill is implying here. What he is saying is that the road to a life of recovery is indeed broad enough for us all
to travel it regardless of what kind of title we might confer on God as we understand Him. >>> SERMON ON THE MOUNT (Matthew 7:13-14) >>> (King James Version) >>> "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is >>> the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth >>> to destruction, and many there be which go >>> in thereat: because strait is the gate, and >>> narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, >>> and few there be that find it." >>> >>> "strait" = (archaic) narrow, tight, >>> constricted, strict >>> BIG BOOK PAGE 55: >>> "... deep down in every man, woman, and child, >>> is the fundamental idea of God .... We found >>> the Great Reality deep down within us. .... >>> If our testimony ... encourages you to search >>> diligently within yourself, then, if you wish, >>> you can join us on the Broad Highway."
a solution through working the steps is not so narrowed down that we can't travel the broad road to recovery together in spite of our differing understanding of a Higher Power. The 12 steps are configured in such a way that they lead us to different levels of spiritual progress as we work them to the best of our ability. A.A. doesn't claim to provide a path to perfection. We strive for spiritual progress rather than perfection. And when we reach Step 11, we will
have advanced far enough down the broad highway to spiritual progress that we will make a practice of improving our conscious contact with God as we understand Him. In other words, there's plenty of room for everybody in A.A.,
provided of course that they have a desire to stay sobler. So when you think about it, you can see that A.A.'s path to recovery as outlined in the Big Book is without a doubt a Broad Highway in every sense. No one is excluded; all are welcomed and afforded the opportunity to grow along spiritual lines regardless of what their personal concept of a Higher Power might happen to be. Hope that answers your question, and please note that I'm only voicing my presonal understanding of the term you asked about. I'm not trying to preach. Sincerely, Tom H.
Recovering Alcoholic DOS 12-31-1979 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6088. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Broad Highway on page 55 of the Big Book From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/2/2009 1:10:00 PM
Farnol's
novel) The Broad Highway, by Jeffery Farnol (1910) "As this life is a Broad Highway along which we must all of us pass whether we will or no; as it is a thoroughfare sometimes very hard and cruel in the going, and beset by many hardships, sometimes desolate and hatefully monotonous, so, also, must its aspect, sooner or later, change for the better, and, the stony track overpassed, the choking heat and dust left behind, we may reach some green, refreshing haven shady with trees, and full of the cool, sweet sound of running waters. Then who shall blame us if we pause unduly in this grateful shade, and, lying upon our backs a while, gaze up through the swaying green of trees to the infinite blue beyond, ere we journey on once more, as soon we must, to front whatsoever of good or evil lies waiting for us in the hazy distance."
wrote:
> > Where does the phrase The Broad Highway on page > 55 of the Big Book come from? > > If anyone can give me a reference on this one, > I would really appreciate it. > > Thanks and God Bless! > > Michael D. > Sioux Falls, South Dakota > > - - - - > > IN ITS CONTEXT ON PAGE 55 > (The phrase "the Broad Highway" is in the > third paragraph, in the second sentence): > > Actually we were fooling ourselves, for deep down > in every man, woman, and child, is the fundamental > idea of God. It may be obscured by calamity, by > pomp, by worship of other things, but in some form > or other it is there. For faith in a Power greater than > ourselves, and miraculous demonstrations of that > power in human lives, are facts as old as man himself. > > We finally saw that faith in some kind of God was > a part of our make-up, just as much as the feeling we > have for a friend. Sometimes we had to search fear- > lessly, but He was there. He was as much a fact as > we were. We found the Great Reality deep down > within us. In the last analysis it is only there that He > may be found. It was so with us. > > We can only clear the ground a bit. If our testi- > mony helps sweep away prejudice, enables you to > think honestly, encourages you to search diligently > within yourself, then, if you wish, you can join us on > the Broad Highway. With this attitude you cannot > fail. The consciousness of your belief is sure to come > to you. >
Mature Love From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/3/2009 2:52:00 PM
for complete approval, utter security, and perfect romance -- urges quite appropriate to age seventeen -- prove to be an impossible way of life at forty-seven or fifty-seven.
all these areas because of my failure to grow up, emotionally and spiritually.
attitudes toward our instinctual drives need to undergo drastic revisions. Our demands for emotional security and wealth, for personal prestige and power all have to be tempered and redirected. We learn that the full satisfaction of these demands cannot be the sole end and aim of our lives. We cannot place the cart before the horse, or we shall be pulled backward into disillusionment. But when we are willing to place spiritual growth first -- then and only then do we have a real chance to grow in healthy awareness and mature love. ____________________
114 in the Twelve and Twelve, but Bill made a lot of verbal modifications. In particular, the Twelve and Twelve has that last sentence as "But when we are willing to place spiritual growth first-- then and only then do we have a real chance."
appears only in the version in As Bill Sees It. Glenn C., South Bend, Indiana IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6090. . . . . . . . . . . . Spencer quote From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/3/2009 2:10:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII LD Pierce (eztone at hotmail.com) would like to obtain a copy, if anybody made one, of the article by Michael St. George on the Herbert Spencer quote in the Big Book. ____________________ The problem arose when, in October, the free Geocities web sites were all shut down permanently by Yahoo, whose owners apparently had found that giving away free web sites, even if advertising was placed in them, did not make enough profit to be worthwhile. When this happened, we lost Michael St. George's excellent and thorough article, which was posted on one of those free Geocities web sites:
____________________ It was a good long article, which gave all of the background of the quotation attributed to Herbert Spencer in the Big Book.
of something originally said by William Paley in 1794, where the slightly altered version given by the Rev. William H. Poole in 1879 is almost identical to the wording in the Big Book.
Herbert Spencer seems to have been common however in a number of books written in the 1930's, 40's, and 50's. The mistake shows up for the first time, as far as is now known, in 1931. ____________________ So if anybody downloaded a copy, please contact L. D. Pierce. Thanks! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6091. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Spencer quote From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/3/2009 4:33:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have located a copy of the PDF at: http://home.comcast.net/~sierratangogolf/Survival_of_a_Fitting_Quotation.pdf I have downloaded a copy so that I will have it should this ever happen again. Jim - - - - M.J. Johnson (threeeyedtoad at gmail.com) has also kindly sent a copy of Michael StGeorge's article which has now been placed on another publically available site:
Book come from, the one given at the end of Appendix II on Spiritual Experience? Michael StGeorge, in his classic article "The Survival of a Fitting Quotation," shows that it was actually taken not from Herbert Spencer (1820- 1903), but from an earlier author, William Paley (1743-1805). "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Big Book (4th edition) page 568. - - - - LD Pierce tells us that he found this reference: http://tiny.cc/spencercontempt This scholar regards Michael StGeorge's findings as correct: the quote was taken from Paley, not Spencer.
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/3/2009 11:17:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: John Barton (jax760 at yahoo.com) "A Close Shave" Big Book 1st Edition page 348 Many web sites and historians have connected Harry Zollars, the Orrville Barber, with Henry J. Zoeller, a Class "B" Trustee who served in the mid 1950s, but this is in fact an error. ______________________________
was probably written by Henry J Zoeller, but acknowledged that the author's name might have been Harry Zollers, Boelen, or Harry S. ______________________________
Orrville, Ohio Harry D. Zollars, whose birth year matches our friend Harry's in the Big Book, was from Orrville, Ohio (just outside of Akron). He is listed on the First 226 Members Akron, OH AA Group ( http://www.hindsfoot.org/akrn226.doc ) with an Orrville address -- Orville [sic] Barber Shop -- although the spelling of his name on this list (as well as the names of several others) is incorrect.
Ancestry.com 1920 United States Federal Census Just Another Layman on The Golden Road of Devotion IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6093. . . . . . . . . . . . Jane Sturdevant From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/3/2009 11:46:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: John Barton (jax760 at yahoo.com) The First Woman in A.A. The first woman to achieve any sober time following the "Life Changing Program" of the Oxford Group was Jane Sturdevant (note 1).
as "Jane Sturden" (note 2). She began making the weekly trip to Akron and was likely introduced to the First Century Christian Fellowship by Cleveland's Joe Doppler and/or Bob Oviatt. Her story was recalled by Bob Evans in a recorded interview in 1954 which was detailed in Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers (note 3).
Sturdevant, an engineer for a Cleveland Steel Mill (note 4). Jane Sturdevant is listed as having twelve months of "dry time" as of February of 1938 when The Amos Roster (note 5) was written by Dr. Bob. So according to Dr. Bob, Jane had quite a bit more time in the program than what the author of Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers called just "a few months" of sobriety (note 6). Just Another Layman on The Golden Road of Devotion NOTES: 1. "The Amos Roster" (See Note 5), The Golden Road of Devotion, Appendix I. 2. Cf. "PIONEERS BY DATE OF SOBRIETY" 3. Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers, p. 122 4. Chapter IV, The Golden Road of Devotion 5. "The Amos Roster" is the name given to the handwritten list of members created by Dr. Bob in February of 1938 and provided to Frank Amos. This list was referenced and attached to the February 23, 1938 "NOTES ON AKRON, OHIO SURVEY" by Frank Amos and was provided under cover letter by Willard Richardson to John D. Rockefeller dated February 23, 1938. 6. Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers, p. 122 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6094. . . . . . . . . . . . What was Dr. Bob''s phone number? From: Mike . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/5/2009 2:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I recently visited Dr. Bob's house again. During our tour the guide told us to notice the phone number on the old rotary dial phone in the living room. The last four numbers were 1935. Does anyone know if that was really Dr. Bob's phone number?? ~Mike IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6095. . . . . . . . . . . . Off the Walls: Wisdom from the Road of Happy Destiny From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/7/2009 12:59:00 AM
Destiny," by Don G. (Temple, Texas), 179 pp., published 2009.
notebook with him when he visited Alcoholic Anonymous and other twelve step meetings across the United States and around the world. In this book he has collected over a thousand of the best of the pithy little sayings which he heard at those meetings, sometimes laugh-provoking but always insightful. His book, originally published privately, is now available for reading online at: http://hindsfoot.org/offintro.html http://hindsfoot.org/offwalls.pdf Don G., a retired licensed M.S.W., is a 20-plus year sober member of Alcoholics Anonymous. His articles have appeared in the Grapevine, and he was a presenter at the AA International Convention in Minneapolis in 2000.
++++Message 6096. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Off the Walls: Wisdom from the Road of Happy Destiny From: Tracy Grenier . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/7/2009 9:22:00 AM
(wordwonktracy at yahoo.com) Word Wonk Editorial Services http://www.wordwonkeditor.com Copyediting, proofreading, developmental editing, ghost writing, web site design - - - - From: bruceken@aol.com (bruceken at aol.com) Thanks a lot Bruce Kennedy San Francisco - - - - Original message no. 6095 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6095 "Off the Walls: Wisdom from the Road of Happy Destiny," by Don G. (Temple, Texas), 179 pp., published 2009.
notebook with him when he visited Alcoholic Anonymous and other twelve step meetings across the United States and around the world. In this book he has collected over a thousand of the best of the pithy little sayings which he heard at those meetings, sometimes laugh-provoking but always insightful. His book, originally published privately, is now available for reading online at: http://hindsfoot.org/offintro.html http://hindsfoot.org/offwalls.pdf Don G., a retired licensed M.S.W., is a 20-plus year sober member of Alcoholics Anonymous. His articles have appeared in the Grapevine, and he was a presenter at the AA International Convention in Minneapolis in 2000.
++++Message 6097. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What was Dr. Bob''s phone number?
From: Vicky Callaway . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/6/2009 3:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The info sent to me says: Dr Bob Was AA's Leading Advocate of Telephone Therapy His Phone Number In 1941 Was "U N 2 4 3 6" - - - - From: Tom Hickcox His number is given as Un-2436 on the list of the First 226 Members of the Akron, OH AA Group http://hindsfoot.org/akrn226b.html http://hindsfoot.org/akrn226.doc Tommy H in Baton Rouge - - - - From: "J. Lobdell" (jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) In the 1943 Akron Directory his office phone is HE-8523 and his home phone is UN-2436. - - - - Also from Shakey1aa@aol.com (Shakey1aa at aol.com) and "Kevin Short" (kshort at oxmicro.com) - - - - Original message no. 6094 from "Mike" Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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