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more traditional religious sects and denominations. Sincerely, Jim F. - - - - From the moderator: and along this same line, one of the first prominent Protestant theologians to give approval to the new A.A. movement was HARRY EMERSON FOSDICK, the author of the famous anti-fundamentalist sermon "SHALL THE FUNDAMENTALISTS WIN?" Pass It On page 201: "Dr. Harry Emerson Fosdick, the highly respected minister of the Riverside Church, warmly approved an advance copy [of the Big Book] and promised to review the book when it was published."
minister of the early 20th Century .... Fosdick became a central figure in the conflict between fundamentalist and liberal forces within American Protestantism in the 1920s and 1930s. While at First Presbyterian Church, on May 21, 1922, he delivered his famous sermon “Shall the Fundamentalists Win?” in which he defended the modernist position. In that sermon, he presented the Bible as a record of the unfolding of God’s will, not as the literal Word of God. He saw the history of Christianity as one of development, progress, and gradual change. To the fundamentalists, this was rank apostasy, and the battle lines were drawn. The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, U.S.A. (Northern) in 1923 charged his local presbytery to conduct an investigation of his views .... Fosdick escaped probable censure at a formal trial by the 1924 General Assembly by resigning from the pulpit in 1924. He was immediately hired as pastor of a Baptist church whose most famous member was John D. Rockefeller, Jr., who then funded the Riverside Church in Manhattan's Morningside Heights area overlooking the Hudson River, where Fosdick became pastor as soon as the doors opened in October 1930.
distribution of "Shall the Fundamentalists Win?" although with a more cautious title, "The New Knowledge and the Christian Faith." [Fosdick] is also the author of the hymn, "God of Grace and God of Glory." Fosdick's book A Guide to Understanding the Bible traces the beliefs of the people who wrote the Bible, from the ancient beliefs of the Hebrews, which he regarded as practically pagan, to the faith and hopes of the New Testament writers. His brother, Raymond Fosdick, was essentially in charge of philanthropy for John D. Rockefeller, Jr.
Alcoholics Anonymous in 1939, giving it his approval.
anti-fundamentalist sermon (1922): "SHALL THE FUNDAMENTALISTS WIN?" Full text of the sermon given at http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5070/ - - - - --- On Thu, 3/5/09, mdingle76 From: mdingle76 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Bill Wilson's meditation practices and guided meditation To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:59 PM
Gerald Heard. Gerald was the man who introduced Bill to Aldous Huxley. I suspect that Gene Exman (the religious editor over at Harper that Bill visited with the first 2 chapters of the Big Book)introduced Bill to Gerald. Anyway, Bill (and Lois) first visited Heard on a trip to California in 1941. Heard had been practicing yoga and earnestly studying the Scriptures of many of the world's great religions. Heard wrote many books on the subject of God, religion and also UFO's (a subject that Bill was very interested in and would talk to Heard about at lengths). One of Heard's books even made it into Dr. Bob's library â” "A Preface to Prayer." Tom Powers often said that Heard was one of Bill's sponsors. Heard was particularly influenced by Sri Ramakrishna and Heard donated his Monastery, Trabucco Canyon, to the Vedanta Society of Southern California, to be run by Swami Prabhavananda. You can also read Gerald Heard's article in the AA Grapevine called "The Search for Ecstasy." He also wrote articles about AA published in sources outside the Grapevine. Gerald (and Dr. Cohen) oversaw the LSD sessions that both Tom and Bill experienced. (It was Tom and Bill who were sent to California on AA Headquarters business to get AA out on the big screen â” a story for a different day.) Matt D. ____________ _________ _________ FROM THE MODERATOR: WIKIPEDIA SAYS http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Gerald_Heard "Henry Fitzgerald Heard commonly called Gerald Heard (October 6, 1889 - August 14, 1971) was a historian, science writer, educator, and philosopher. He wrote many articles and over 35 books. Heard was a guide and mentor to numerous well-known Americans, including Clare Boothe Luce and Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, in the 1950s and 1960s."
(ArtSheehan at msn.com) British radio commentator Gerald Heard introduced Bill W to Aldous Huxley and British psychiatrists Humphrey Osmond and Abram Hoffer. Bill joined with Heard and Huxley and first took LSD in California on August 29, 1956. Among those invited to experiment with LSD (and who accepted) were Nell Wing, Father Ed Dowling, Sam Shoemaker and Lois Wilson. Marty M and other AA members participated in New York (under medical supervision by a psychiatrist from Roosevelt Hospital). - - - - Message 4806 from jlobdell54@hotmail. com (jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) I have recently seen on a couple of AA-related history sites a statement that H. F. Heard was a pen-name for Aldous Huxley.
(1889-1971) who also wrote as Gerald Heard. He was a friend of Aldous Huxley (and of Bill Wilson) but he certainly was not Aldous Huxley. ____________ _________ _________ MATT D. IS RESPONDING TO MESSAGE 5559 from > Bill W and his long time problems with > depression and other things brings to mind his > interactions with Dr Earle and Dr Earle's > comments on their relationship, plus > Dr Earle and his search for serenity in Asia. > > Since Dr Earle's attempt to find solace in > Eastern ideas had Bill W's interest, it could > add another aspect to Bill W as well as > Dr Earle's efforts at meditation practices. > > George > > - - - - > > From the moderator, for more about > Dr. Earle M., whom George refers to, see: > > http://silkworth. net/aabiography/ earlem.html > > Biography: "Physician Heal Thyself!" > Dr. Earle M., San Francisco Bay Area, CA. > (p. 393 in 2nd edition, p. 345 in 3rd > edition, p. 301 in the 4th edition.) > > "During his first year in A.A. he went to New > York and met Bill W. They became very close > and talked frequently both on the phone and > in person. He frequently visited Bill at his > home, Stepping Stones. He called Bill one > of his sponsors, and said there was hardly a > topic they did not discuss in detail. He took > a Fifth Step with Bill. And Bill often talked > over his depressions with Earle." > > "In a search for serenity Earle studied and > practiced many forms of religion: Hinduism, > Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and ancestor > worship." > > GFC > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5571. . . . . . . . . . . . Icky the Dynamite man From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/9/2009 6:34:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I'm trying to get more info on Icky From Houston: Page 80 AACOA (the dynamite man). What's his date of sobriety, home group, etc., does anyone know? I have a 1st. edit. Stools & Bottles signed by Ed Webster and inscribed to Icky, dated 1961. The gentleman I purchased it from told me he got it in Houston. I'd like to know more about Icky so that I can pretend to be knowledgeable when the book is displayed.
Shakey Mike Gwirtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5572. . . . . . . . . . . . Anyone know anything about the first prison group? From: priscilla_semmens . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/9/2009 10:37:00 PM
formed at San Quentin. Who formed it? When was it formed? Why was it formed? etc. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5573. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson''s meditation practices and guided meditation From: bob gordon . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 3:40:00 AM
They are convinced that for the hopeless alcoholic there is only one way out - the expulsion of his obsession by a Power greater than himself. Let it be said at once that there is nothing partisan or sectarian about this religious experience. Agnostics and atheists, along with Catholics, Jews and Protestants, tell their story of discovering the Power Greater Than Themselves. "WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT THERE IS N0 GOD," one atheist in this group heard a voice say when, hospitalized for alcoholism, he faced the utter hopelessness of his condition. Nowhere is the tolerance and open-mindedness of the book more evident than in its treatment of this central matter on which the cure of all these men and women has depended. They are not partisans of any particular form of organized religion, although they strongly recommend that some religious fellowship be found by their participants. By religion they mean an experience which they personally know and which has saved them from their slavery, when psychiatry and medicine had failed They agree that each man must have his own way of conceiving God, but of God Himself they are utterly sure, and their stories of victory in consequence are a notable addition to William James' "Varieties of Religious Experience." Although the book has the accent of reality and is written with unusual intelligence and skill, humor and modesty mitigating what could easily have been a strident and harrowing tale. - Harry Emerson Fosdick - - - - On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:56 AM, James Flynn > Thank you for this, it has long been my > belief that Bill W's spirituality is best > defined as New Age Spirituality, rather than > fundamentalist Christian spirituality. > > This information helps to confirm my > suspicions that Bill was actually very > eclectic in his approach to spirituality > and might even been seen as a heretic by > more traditional religious sects and > denominations. > > Sincerely, Jim F. > > - - - - > > From the moderator: and along this same > line, one of the first prominent Protestant > theologians to give approval to the new > A.A. movement was HARRY EMERSON FOSDICK, > the author of the famous anti-fundamentalist > sermon "SHALL THE FUNDAMENTALISTS WIN?" > > Pass It On page 201: "Dr. Harry Emerson > Fosdick, the highly respected minister of > the Riverside Church, warmly approved an > advance copy [of the Big Book] and promised > to review the book when it was published." > > Harry Emerson Fosdick from Wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Emerson_Fosdick > > Fosdick was the most prominent liberal ... > minister of the early 20th Century .... > Fosdick became a central figure in the > conflict between fundamentalist and liberal > forces within American Protestantism in the > 1920s and 1930s. While at First Presbyterian > Church, on May 21, 1922, he delivered his > famous sermon “Shall the Fundamentalists Win?” > in which he defended the modernist position. > In that sermon, he presented the Bible as a > record of the unfolding of God’s will, not as > the literal Word of God. He saw the history > of Christianity as one of development, > progress, and gradual change. To the > fundamentalists, this was rank apostasy, > and the battle lines were drawn. > > The General Assembly of the Presbyterian > Church, U.S.A. (Northern) in 1923 charged his > local presbytery to conduct an investigation > of his views .... Fosdick escaped probable > censure at a formal trial by the 1924 General > Assembly by resigning from the pulpit in 1924. > He was immediately hired as pastor of a Baptist > church whose most famous member was John D. > Rockefeller, Jr., who then funded the Riverside > Church in Manhattan's Morningside Heights area > overlooking the Hudson River, where Fosdick > became pastor as soon as the doors opened in > October 1930. > > Rockefeller had funded the nation-wide > distribution of "Shall the Fundamentalists Win?" > although with a more cautious title, "The New > Knowledge and the Christian Faith." > > [Fosdick] is also the author of the hymn, > "God of Grace and God of Glory." > > Fosdick's book A Guide to Understanding the > Bible traces the beliefs of the people who > wrote the Bible, from the ancient beliefs of > the Hebrews, which he regarded as practically > pagan, to the faith and hopes of the New > Testament writers. > > His brother, Raymond Fosdick, was essentially > in charge of philanthropy for John D. Rockefeller, > Jr.
> > Fosdick reviewed the first edition of > Alcoholics Anonymous in 1939, giving it > his approval. > > - - - - > > Harry Emerson Fosdick’s famous > anti-fundamentalist sermon (1922): > > "SHALL THE FUNDAMENTALISTS WIN?" > > Full text of the sermon given at > http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5070/ > > - - - - > > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, mdingle76 > wrote:
> > From: mdingle76 > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Bill Wilson's meditation practices and > guided meditation > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:59 PM > >
> Gerald Heard. Gerald was the man who introduced > Bill to Aldous Huxley. I suspect that Gene > Exman (the religious editor over at Harper > that Bill visited with the first 2 chapters > of the Big Book)introduced Bill to Gerald. > > Anyway, Bill (and Lois) first visited Heard on > a trip to California in 1941. Heard had been > practicing yoga and earnestly studying the > Scriptures of many of the world's great > religions. Heard wrote many books on the > subject of God, religion and also UFO's (a > subject that Bill was very interested in and > would talk to Heard about at lengths). One of > Heard's books even made it into Dr. Bob's > library — "A Preface to Prayer." > > Tom Powers often said that Heard was one of > Bill's sponsors. Heard was particularly > influenced by Sri Ramakrishna and Heard > donated his Monastery, Trabucco Canyon, to > the Vedanta Society of Southern California, > to be run by Swami Prabhavananda. > > You can also read Gerald Heard's article in the > AA Grapevine called "The Search for Ecstasy." > He also wrote articles about AA published in > sources outside the Grapevine. > > Gerald (and Dr. Cohen) oversaw the LSD > sessions that both Tom and Bill experienced. > (It was Tom and Bill who were sent to > California on AA Headquarters business to > get AA out on the big screen — a story for > a different day.) > > Matt D. > > ____________ _________ _________ > > FROM THE MODERATOR: WIKIPEDIA SAYS > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Gerald_Heard > > "Henry Fitzgerald Heard commonly called Gerald > Heard (October 6, 1889 - August 14, 1971) was > a historian, science writer, educator, and > philosopher. He wrote many articles and over > 35 books. Heard was a guide and mentor to > numerous well-known Americans, including > Clare Boothe Luce and Bill Wilson, co-founder > of Alcoholics Anonymous, in the 1950s and > 1960s." > > - - - - > > Message 5228 from ArtSheehan@msn. com > (ArtSheehan at msn.com) > > British radio commentator Gerald Heard > introduced Bill W to Aldous Huxley and > British psychiatrists Humphrey Osmond and > Abram Hoffer. > > Bill joined with Heard and Huxley and first > took LSD in California on August 29, 1956. > > Among those invited to experiment with LSD > (and who accepted) were Nell Wing, Father > Ed Dowling, Sam Shoemaker and Lois Wilson. > Marty M and other AA members participated in > New York (under medical supervision by a > psychiatrist from Roosevelt Hospital). > > - - - - > > Message 4806 from jlobdell54@hotmail. com > (jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) > > I have recently seen on a couple of AA-related > history sites a statement that H. F. Heard was > a pen-name for Aldous Huxley. > > In fact H. F. Heard was Henry FitzGerald Heard > (1889-1971) who also wrote as Gerald Heard. > > He was a friend of Aldous Huxley (and of Bill > Wilson) but he certainly was not Aldous > Huxley. > ____________ _________ _________ > > MATT D. IS RESPONDING TO MESSAGE 5559 from > > > > Bill W and his long time problems with > > depression and other things brings to mind his > > interactions with Dr Earle and Dr Earle's > > comments on their relationship, plus > > Dr Earle and his search for serenity in Asia. > > > > Since Dr Earle's attempt to find solace in > > Eastern ideas had Bill W's interest, it could > > add another aspect to Bill W as well as > > Dr Earle's efforts at meditation practices. > >
> > George > >
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> > From the moderator, for more about > > Dr. Earle M., whom George refers to, see: > > > > http://silkworth. net/aabiography/ earlem.html > > > > Biography: "Physician Heal Thyself!" > > Dr. Earle M., San Francisco Bay Area, CA. > > (p. 393 in 2nd edition, p. 345 in 3rd > > edition, p. 301 in the 4th edition.) > >
> > "During his first year in A.A. he went to New > > York and met Bill W. They became very close > > and talked frequently both on the phone and > > in person. He frequently visited Bill at his > > home, Stepping Stones. He called Bill one > > of his sponsors, and said there was hardly a > > topic they did not discuss in detail. He took > > a Fifth Step with Bill. And Bill often talked > > over his depressions with Earle." > >
> > "In a search for serenity Earle studied and > > practiced many forms of religion: Hinduism, > > Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and ancestor > > worship." > > > > GFC
> > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5574. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Icky the Dynamite man From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 11:26:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hey Mike E. D. "Icky" Sheridan was the Panel 1 Delegate from the Houston, Texas Area in 1951 (he resided at 5020 Griggs Rd) and served on the Conference Agenda Committee. Icky later moved to Dallas, Texas (he resided at 4569 Lorraine Ave) and became the first Class B Trustee from Texas serving from 1955 to 1959. He replaced Earl Treat and was designated as "Second V.P." Records from GSO report him as passing away on 9/23/1963. I can't pin down the date/year when he moved from Houston to Dallas. The 1957 final Conference report noted that: "Delegates from Oregon, Northern Minnesota, Quebec (Canada), Northeast Texas and South Florida participated in a provocative panel session on Clubhouses under the chairmanship of Icky S, a member of the Board of Trustees. Emphasizing the importance of separating the functions of clubs and groups, Icky summed up the general feeling of the participants by declaring that, in AA, when you put your heart rather than your brains into a project, "You can go a long, long, way." In 1958 Icky was elected as Vice Chairman of the General Service Board. The 1958 final Conference report contained a "GSO Policy Committee" report written by Icky who also served then as chairman of the committee.
AA Comes of Age: "When I think of explosions I always think of my friend Icky. Down in Houston, Texas, they call him the "Dynamite Man." Icky is an expert on explosives, on demolition. He was in the rear of the Russian retreat blowing up bridges Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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