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inmate, and hearing his tale, I could truthfully say the very same thing that Warden Duffy describes the first AA speaker to have said to inmates.
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From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 5:58:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII It also strikes me that if Owen V. heard the message of Alcoholics Anonymous in 1941 at a meeting in the prison in Salem, Oregon at a meeting started by Doc H., then it makes sense that Doc H had started the meeting before that, since Owen V. was not a founder of that meeting. (Owen V later went on to start the first AA group in Utah in 1942 (=after release from prison.)
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From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 8:18:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AA Archives should be based on fact. Here are a few. The San Quentin Warden that was presented the 25 millionth copy of the Big Book at the International Convention in Canada in 2005 was Jill Brown. She was fired a week or so after receiving the award. FACT AA literature says San Quentin was started in 1942, AACA PG 89. FACT The Feb 1952 Grapevine says AA at San Quentin is a little more than 9 years old. That means it began in 1943 or late 1942. Other sourses say 1941 or 1943. I'll go with AACA, our not so perfect history. FACT
meetings since September 1940. FACT Philadelphia AA started on the last day of Feb 1940. FACT (a leap year day) Sobriety thru the Oxford Group was present in Philadelphia in 1938 and future members of the Philadelphia Mother group had 2 years of sobriety before Jimmy B got here. Jimmy was given their names to look them up when he got here. FACT (John P L, for one) Whether it was 24 months or 20 months, the message of AA has been continuously carried in to the prisons of Philadelphia. My point in the original message is that our history is misrepresented in our literature. This is not the only example. If our history is found to be wrong then it must be corrected. MY OPINION (by the way I'm not yelling). Duffy had the 1st registered in New York prison meeting. There was no Intergroup in Philadelphia in 1940. The Intergroup started in 1948 and GSO wasn't in existence till 1951. Without group registration numbers, groups were registered by writing to the Alcoholic Foundation in New York and letting a secretary know about it. When I next go to GSO Archives I will request authorization to see Clinton Duffy's letter and then nail down the date the San Quentin AA prison Group began. Of course it will depend upon the approval of the Trustee's in charge of Archives to approve me. If Jared would like to go, just let me know. Then we can get the exact month and year and verify if it's 1941, 1942 or 1943. Yours in Service, Shakey Mike Gwirtz See you in Woodland Hills,Ca.Sept 24-27,2009 13th National Archives Conv. > From: _Shakey1aa@aol.Sha_ (mailto:Shakey1aa@aol.com) > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 > Subject: Re: the first prison group? NOT San Quentin > > The first prison group was definitely not > San Quentin! The Philadelphia Mother group > was taking meetings into Philadelphia prisons > two years before S. Q. and have continuously > carried on that tradition. > > Yours in Service, > Shakey Mike Gwirtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5595. . . . . . . . . . . . Thanks from Jim Blair From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2009 2:02:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I arrived home from the hospital yesterday after my colon resection and I'd like to thank everyone for their prayers and support.
this will afford me the time to complete some history projects I had put aside.
Maryland instead of Carolina? From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 2:45:00 PM
Carolina, and I was surprised when he opened the place in Maryland. Does anyone know why he changed to Maryland? - - - - From GFC, the moderator. See his biography at: http://www.fathermartinsashley.com/interior.php?section=AboutAshley&subsecti on=B\
Father Joseph Martin - Biography Father Joseph C. Martin, S.S. (1924-2009), was co-founder of the addiction treatment center Father Martin’s Ashley in Havre de Grace, MD, and a noted authority and lecturer on alcoholism. Best known for his “Chalk Talk on Alcohol,” delivered to alcoholics and their families with his charismatic style and sense of humor, Father Martin is credited with saving the lives of thousands of alcoholics and addicts. His “Chalk Talk” lecture, which began “I’m Joe Martin and I’m an alcoholic,” and more than 40 films, are legendary. His films, which have been translated into multiple languages, continue to be used at treatment centers around the world, in hospitals, substance abuse programs, industry, and most branches of the U.S. government. He is author of several publications, including Chalk Talks on Alcohol, published by Harper & Row in 1982, which is still in print. The Early Years Father Martin was born in Baltimore on October 12, 1924, the fourth of seven children of Marie and James Martin. His leadership ability, communications skill, and charm became evident early in life. He was valedictorian of Loyola
High School’s class of 1942, and was voted best debater, best actor, and class
member with the best smile. He attended Loyola College from 1942 to 1944. During his senior year in high school and as he was attending Loyola College, he had a part-time job with St. Mary’s Seminary, where members of the Society of St. Sulpice taught seminarians. Increasingly drawn to their mission, he felt the calling to enter the priesthood, studying at St. Mary’s Seminary on Paca Street and at St Mary’s in Roland Park in Baltimore. He was ordained a priest for the Archdiocese of Baltimore in 1948. The following year he entered the Society of St. Sulpice, a community of priests devoted to the formation and education of seminarians and priests. Following ordination, he was sent to teach high school students preparing for
the priesthood at St. Joseph’s College in Mountain View, CA (1948-56), where he
was a successful and popular teacher. In 1956, he was sent to teach at St. Charles College in Catonsville, MD. Addiction and Recovery When it became apparent to colleagues that he had a problem with alcohol, Father
Martin was sent to Guest House in Lake Orion, MI, an alcoholism treatment center
and sanctuary for Catholic priests that advocated the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous (A.A.). He left Guest House in 1959, in recovery and charting a new
course for his life. He returned to Baltimore and St. Charles College, where he resumed teaching and
supported his recovery by attending A.A. meetings three or four times a week. He
seized every opportunity to speak about alcoholism, captivating audiences with
what became the “Chalk Talk on Alcohol.” The Transition Years In 1968, he was assigned to serve as chaplain for the Oblate Sisters of Providence in Catonsville, and he continued to deliver his “Chalk Talk” to audiences along the East Coast. In 1970, Father Martin reached out to Mae Abraham, a woman he met through A.A.,
and with her and her husband’s encouragement, he made the decision to work the
field of recovery. He became a lecturer and educator in the Division of Alcohol
Control for the state of Maryland, conducting seminars for doctors, lawyers, parole officers, and social workers. In 1972, the United States Navy filmed “The Blackboard Talk,” which they then
dubbed “The Chalk Talk.” It became known throughout the U.S. military and
established Father Martin as a recognized leader in the addiction treatment field.
In 1977, on a flight returning from an appearance in South Carolina, Mae Abraham
said, “Father, why don’t you open a treatment center where people can get well
with the philosophy you have?” Mae Abraham and Father Martin began their quest to establish an addiction treatment center, raising funds over a seven-year period with Father Martin’s “Chalk Talk” delivered to audiences across the U.S. Thousands of small donations and several large gifts and matching funds made it possible to buy and renovate Oakington, the estate owned by the widow of U.S. Senator Millard Tydings on the Chesapeake Bay near Havre de Grace. Father Martin’s Ashley opened in 1983. Just two years after opening, Forbes
magazine ranked it as one of the top ten addiction treatment facilities in the
country. Today, patients come from the East Coast and across the U.S. to the 85-bed facility, which has a reputation for treating alcohol and drug addiction and relapse with respect for the dignity of each individual who enters its doors.
from the disease of addiction and has provided program services to their families. Father Martin always had a very special concern for priests in trouble. In this,
he remained faithful to his Sulpician vocation throughout his life. Honors and Awards In 1991, Father Martin was invited by Pope John Paul II to participate in the
Vatican’s International Conference on Drugs and Alcohol. He made four trips to
Russia under the auspices of the International Institute on Alcohol Education and Training, and also traveled to Switzerland and Poland so speak to A.A. groups and to addiction counselors in training. Father Martin’s awards include the Andrew White Medal from Loyola College, Baltimore, for his contributions to the general welfare of the citizenry of Maryland; Rutgers University’s Summer School of Alcohol Studies’ Distinguished Service Award (1988); and the Norman Vincent Peale Award (1992).
2003, he
continued to lecture, addressing patients as recently as last month, ending each
talk, as he always did, “It’s the likes of you that keep the likes of me going.”
He passed away at his home in Havre de Grace on March 9, 2009 at the age of 84.
In the words of the late Mike Deaver, former White House Chief of Staff under
President Ronald Reagan, “Father Martin changed my life and changed me. When I
came to Ashley, I had been with presidents and kings and popes and prime ministers, but Father was the most powerful person I had ever met, and he still is today. You see, Father has the power to change people, to make them better, to make them whole again.” Father Martin’s legacy is Father Martin’s Ashley.
housing collections From: Mike Breedlove . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 11:05:00 PM
access to them. No doubt others will have valuable experience to share on this topic, and we eagerly await hearing the experiences of others. Please allow me to share some of my experience. Most public or private archives and libraries only accept donated (not loaned) material. Why should an institution have the responsibility and use its resources for maintaining materials without the authority to discard what it believes to be non-permanent? To be specific, AA materials of a local nature are just not that valuable historically to most libraries or archives so most local repositories just don't see the need to collect AA materials. In addition, those institutions are generally not interested in entering into a complicated arrangement regarding the care and housing of a separate collection of material, particularly one that
is not within their collecting policy. What happens, they might ask, if the local AA entity no longer is willing to maintain their records? No institution wants to be placed in the position of throwing historical records on the street. I can speak from some experience in this area as I have worked in a state archives for twenty three years as an arrangement and description archivist and
have been involved in state, regional and national archival professional organizations. I do not know of a single institution in our state that would be willing to house archival records under a "loan" or even "gift" agreement in which another entity shares the responsibility for a set of records within that
institution. Philosophically, as members of Alcoholics Anonymous it seems to me that the Seventh Tradition means that if we are fully self-supporting through our own contributions then we support our archives as the historical repository of the
message of Alcoholics Anonymous as it has come to us over the years. In fact,
other traditions are also very important in this regard as the A. A. Guidelines on Archives emphasize. Please see http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/mg-17_archives.pdf Alcoholics Anonymous at any and every level should not surrender its archival or historical responsibility to another entity. After all, we want the archives of Alcoholics Anonymous to be in the hands of Alcoholics Anonymous, where its life saving message cannot be distorted or diminished.
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our archives, particularly in collecting archival records and special collections. Nonetheless our archives is not the fully functional repository that we would like it to be. That means that we have work to do to make our archives more accessible and fully self-supporting. We are trying to do that work now. While these efforts are not moving quickly, they are proceeding steadily. One other observation - It seems to me that there is a growing sense of shared
responsibility among archivists and historians in AA regarding AA's history, and
a growing cooperation among the different districts, areas and the GSO archives
to collaboratively preserve AA's history. This tendency is all to the good. We need each other. Once again the principles of commitment, collaboration and cooperation are paramount. We are still finding our way, but in this effort we work in unity. Yours in service, Mike B. Area One Archivist - - - - From: Sober186@aol.com (Sober186 at aol.com) Interesting idea. I wonder if we would run into anonymity problems? We are anonymous only outside AA rooms, I think. Some of the archives which would then be open to non AA readers might contain full names. Would we want to edit out last names? Jim in Central Ohio - - - - From: Shakey1aa@aol.com (Shakey1aa at aol.com) The answer to placing regional or state AA Archives in a library or large institution can be found in the AA Preamble. When I go somewhere to see AA archives I always make an appointment to do so. Most Archives have rules about who, where and when they can be seen. AA members have to be cleared to see the originals and someone needs to be present from the committee so that illegal copies or outright stealing is not occuring. A sober thief is still a thief.
Shakey Mike Gwirtz - - - - Original Message From: diazeztone I have often wondered why regional and state AA Archives are not placed physically into the library of a large institution. (Or smaller local institution.) I.e. the Texas archives being placed at the U Texas Library in Austin. Or at SMU in Dallas. Even a large city library would be a good choice. (Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin, have very large pubic libraries.)
by the group donating. Or they could be loaned (for fixed time 2 year, 5 year, 10 year) this would allow traveling archives to remove materials for conventions etc.
able to many more people. For example ,I have been to Oklahoma City 50 times recently and almost every time I go to the archives they are closed.
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www.aabibliography.com "an internet aa archive!!" IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5598. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San Quentin
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2009 5:34:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In Warden Duffy's speech in 1960 at the Long Beach convention, he said he formed
the group in 1941 (AA Today, as quoted earlier) -- that's the word of the group's founder, rather than what was said earlier by Bill (in AACOA) or the Grapevine (1952). My guess is he knew. But of course the principal point is the difference between a group (especially a prison group) and a meeting (specifically one brought into a facility). If I am free to go up to GSO with
Mike, I'll be happy to, tho' I doubt my presence would add anything to his research, since he is an experienced and so far as I know an efficient researcher. Unless the NJ Group brought meetings into a prison, my guess is Philadelphia was the first to do that, just as Rockland State Hospital was the first institutional meeting (1939) and San Quentin the first prison group (1941 by Warden Duffy's word, though 1942 according to a report in the Grapevine and according to Bill until Warden Duffy's 1960 speech gave a first-hand account). IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5599. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Father Martin: why Ashley in Maryland instead of Carolina? From: Cece Archer . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/20/2009 3:40:00 PM
Mae wanted to obtain for the treatment center in North Carolina was going to be difficult to obtain for zoning, permits, etc. and they wanted to be able to start the project soon. The land was available in Maryland, so Ashley was born.
liquor in the house From: Michael F. Margetis . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/20/2009 2:59:00 PM
Timers" there's a paragraph that reads: "Remembering his own disastrous trip to Atlantic City and Bill's experiment with keeping liquor on the sideboard to prove it was no longer a temptation, Dr. Bob advocated that members stay in dry places whenever possible. 'You don't ask the Lord not to lead you into temptation, then turn around and walk right into it,' he said." My question is, what's the story behind Bill's experiment? I've looked everywhere I can think of to find that story, but can't find it. Thanks, Mike Margetis Brunswick, Maryland IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5601. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Royalties for Grapevine related literature From: secondles . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/11/2009 6:55:00 PM
basically found in reading a copy of Bill's WILL and Lois's WILL.
of these wills could be found? Were they probated in New York state?
and Sim R.? From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/22/2009 7:24:00 PM
entitled "Real Old-Timers Meet With New Babies to Exchange Views on Program," we find the following paragraph: "The six who have been members a decade or more and who came out from behind their whiskers to talk a little about those earliest days when AA was newborn and almost stillborn, and their combined assets could be measured in nickels and dimes - on some days - were: Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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