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during the war. After the war he started to ply his trade again, and I guess he fell into the same error that a poor fellow in London did the other day. This alcoholic Londoner turned up before a magistrate. He had been picked up stiff drunk. His bottle was empty. The magistrate said, "Did you drink it all," "Oh, yes." "Why did you drink it all," "Because I lost the cork." Down there in Houston, it must have been one of those days when our friend Icky lost his cork. Icky was commissioned to blow up a certain pier in Houston Harbor, and he blew up the wrong one! There is a passing reference to Icky S in Bob P's "unofficial AA history" where he writes: "Esther E. took over as leader of the Houston group in 1942, and Hortense L. succeeded her when she moved to Dallas. The group met in the basement of the Ambassador Hotel in 1941. During the war years it met in other places: the M.& M. Building, Franklin St., Milam St., Dooley St., and finally beginning in 1946 at 3511 Travis St. where it remained. In early 1949, the majority of the Travis St. group broke away to form the Montrose Group. Among those that remained were Ed H., Angus McL., Claire W., Anna D., Mildred C., and Icky S." On July 1, 1960 Icky Chaired a session at the 25th Anniversary Convention at Long Beach, California that was titled "12 Speakers on the 12 Steps." Cheers Arthur
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From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shakey1aa@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:34 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Cc: Shakey1aa@aol.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Icky the Dynamite man
Houston: Page 80 AACOA (the dynamite man). What's his date of sobriety, home group, etc., does anyone know? I have a 1st. edit. Stools & Bottles signed by Ed Webster and inscribed to Icky, dated 1961. The gentleman I purchased it from told me he got it in Houston. I'd like to know more about Icky so that I can pretend to be knowledgeable when the book is displayed.
Shakey Mike Gwirtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5575. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Dick Perez from the Akron Area From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 10:32:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Juan, I did some brief interviews of Dick back in the mid-1970s. Because of the anonymity tradition and the fact that my dissertation/book "Not-God" was a public document, those few references are cited in the endnotes as "Dick P." and (usually) the date of our conversation.
will share with me (and the group) the results of your efforts. In retrospect, I wish I had said more about Dick's self-consciousness about being Hispanic and fearing that he would not be accepted in AA. Dick told me that even though many used slang, un-p.c. nicknames (e.g. "Spic") in referring to him, everyone in AA was always helpful with rides to and from meetings, etc. I hope you can learn more and tell Dick P.'s story: I remember it as vivid testimony not so much to the "tolerance" of early AA, but as deep evidence of the genuine spirituality of many/most of the early members in the Akron/Cleveland area. And, of course, of Dick's own courage and craving for sobriety.
> from the Akron Area? > > What books or documents are there which would > mention Dick Perez or talk about his life in AA? > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5576. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Dick Perez from the Akron Area From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 7:12:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dick Perez was from Cleveland and as far as I know was the first person to translate the Big Book into Spanish. Dick was Mexican and according to Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers was in this country illegally and helped carry the message back to Mexico. I met Dick once back in 1982 when he attended Lois W.'s long-termer's party. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, juan.aa98 From: juan.aa98 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Dick Perez from the Akron Area To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 12:47 AM Where can I find the full story on Dick Perez from the Akron Area? What books or documents are there which would mention Dick Perez or talk about his life in AA? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5577. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Mottos on old anniversary chips From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/28/2009 4:52:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Chips/medallions/coins/doubloons/tokens have not been produced by A.A., so whatever is put on them is a manufacturers' decision. There are no official A.A. chips, so any changes were effected by people outside of the Fellowship, and, hence, have very little to do with it. "To thine own self be true is from Shakespeare," for that matter. Tommy H in Baton Rouge - - - - From: "Ben Humphreys" (blhump272 at sctv.coop) I go back to 1975 and my first on says recovery, service and unity. It may be where the group bought the chips. All my early ones came from Bright Star. - - - - From: James Flynn (jdf10487 at yahoo.com) Many of mine say "To Thine Own Self Be True" and "Unity, Service, Recovery" - - - - Original message #5552 from My father received his first chip sometime in the late 1960's or 70's. The chip says: "recover, serve, unite" rather than "recovery, service, unity" (like the chips we give out today).
Was there a pattern here? Thanks! Carole, DOS: 07-03-2006 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5578. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Royalties for Grapevine related literature From: stockholmfellowship . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 4:54:00 AM
issue of Box 459, including that the Grapevine is self-supporting:
contributions to support group services, the Grapevine does not accept contributions from individuals or groups, and accepts donations only for a fund set up to provide subscrip- tions for inmates or other A.A.s who cannot afford the cost. Its financial support comes entirely from sales of the magazine and related materials, such as The Language of the Heart—the collected Grapevine writings of Bill W."
estate receives royalties from "The Language of the Heart" or other writings of the Grapevine? Or, rather, does anyone receive any royalties from the Grapevine?
you can download it at http://ddslinks.aaws.org/default.aspx?p=BOX459&e=FebMar09&l=en - - - - From: "bty934414" (normansobriety at btinternet.com) Who would pay to have the grapevine printed online ?
- - - - From: John Barton (jax760 at yahoo.com) A Historical Fact: Profits from the sale of literature have been used since day one to support the work which includes operations and carrying the message. This goes back to the very first profits on the big book that supported the foundation office and the creation of phamplets (even before the shareholders in the book got their money back). John B P.S. The removal of the staples is so the magazine can be brought into the prisons (where it is needed).
first prison group? From: Phil McG . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 1:30:00 PM
1941 by CT Duffy, the Warden at San Quentin. Check out his book: SAN QUENTIN, The Story of a Prison by C T Duffy (1951). You can purchase it on-line and really good libraries still carry it. Here are a couple of web sites that briefly discuss the history: http://www.handinorcal.org/AboutPage/About.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Quentin_State_Prison Phil - - - - From: "Lee Carroll, CPA" (FriendLeeCPA at msn.com) Warden Clinton Duffy spoke at the First International AA Conference in Cleveland, July 29, 1950. In it he shares that:
inititating a new type of rehabilitation -he realized punishment was not enough. - First meeting at SQ was in 1942 - Twenty inmates and several outside guests, many of whom had never been behind such walls before and were awed by the surroundings.
clothes for a long time. - Duffy says the tension was broken when an outside guest, whose name he couldn't remember ("...and wouldn't mention if I could,") went up to the podium 'with a smile on his face that radiated an air of friendliness - I'll never forget his opening words: "Fellows," he said, looking out over the stiff audience, "before we start talking about AA I have a confession to make, I want to tell you that, but for the grace of a power greater than myself I would be sitting out there with you today listening to someone else make this speech."
he says the tension was eased and it became a podium participation mtng.
"useless fad," and that "SQ would go off louder than nitroglycerin if he allowed women AA's to mix with the inmates." - Not so said Duffy. There was never an "off color remark." - At the end of the first meeting, says Duffy one of the former skeptics chose the opportunity to assure him that AA at SQ would be a success. - SQ did make mistakes; a) issued diplomas for completing 12-step study course b) withheld AA from men who did not "appear" to be alcoholic c) exerted pressure on men "diagnosed" as alcoholic.
(jlobdell54 at hotmail.com) On p. 59 of AA Today: a special publication by the AA Grapevine commemorating the 25th Anniversary of Alcoholics Anonymous (copyright 1960, 1988), Warden Clinton Duffy says (or writes), "When, in 1941, San Quentin pioneered the first Alcoholics Anonymous group behind any prison walls, I said, 'If the program will help one man, I want to start it.' In these eighteen years, hundreds have been helped." So, for a date, 1941 (probably later in the year as it isn't yet nineteen years when he's speaking), and for a founder, Warden Duffy. And as to the why, "If the program will help one man, I want to start it." - - - - From: kentedavis@aol.com (kentedavis at aol.com) There is a good report from the Northern California Council of Alcoholics Anonymous. It was this group that was instrumental in forming the group so this is about the best account of its beginnings.
(kurtzern at umich.edu) Priscilla, I suggest you pass this question on to the AA archivist at the GSO in New York: there is a wealth of material there.
formed at San Quentin. Who formed it? When was it formed? Why was it formed? etc. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5580. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San Quentin
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/9/2009 7:37:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The first prison group was definitely not San Quentin! The Philadelphia Mother group was taking meetings into Philadelphia prisons two years before S. Q. and have continuously carried on that tradition.
iated, they will not change this part of AA history in their publications. A member of the Archives committee of the local Intergroup asked them several years back.
the same time (1940) in NY or NJ. Perhaps someone from those areas can provide more accurate information. Yours in Service, Shakey Mike Gwirtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5581. . . . . . . . . . . . Archival Repositories and Hints for AA Archivists From: Mike Breedlove . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 6:31:00 PM
certainly no authority on all (or even many) of the questions asked in kauaihulahips' email, but do have some information the Area One (Alabama-Northwest Florida) archives committee collected in a survey in 2006. The information is in tables format and is detailed below. Other area archives were contacted and graciously supplied the information detailed below. No personal information is shared. Any area archives committee that wishes to share more informa- tion, or to update the present information, (hint, hint) would you please forward that information to me at the email address of
(mikeb415 at knology.net) If you wish to contact a specific archives or archives committee, you might wish to contact the AA Archives, located at the General Services Office. They may have the information you need. As a general policy, the AA Archives tends not to participate directly in forums such as this but the staff are more than willing to help any one who asks for help. Of course I am willing to share any information or knowledge that others have so freely shared with me. Just contact me at
(mikeb415 at knology.net) The one overall comment to be hazarded is that any one looking to establish an archival repository of any kind needs to closely review the following. At the AA website, if you click on Resources for Local A.A. Archivists you can see links to the following really useful pieces of literature, all of which have very recently been updated: Archives Guidelines - MG-17 .pdf The direct link is http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/mg-17_archives.pdf (4 pages)
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/f-47_theaaarchives.pdf (2 pages)
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/en_oralhistorieskit.pdf (18 pages)
history interviews with longtimers, to record their strength, hope, and experience for future generations. This kit contains tips, instructions, suggested questions, forms and templates, as well as a list of additional resources.
Mike B.
Area One Archivist (Like others in AA, I have some experience and formal training as a professional archivist) *************************************** Area # Archives facility and details Financial Support Archives Cmte? Archivist? Volume of Records Volunteers & Work
10 x 10 ft. somewhat climate controlled store room $2,100/year for rent for storage ($1,500) and supplies ($600).
Yes
Yes 200 cubic ft., of which 30 cubic ft. are actual archives and 150 cubic ft. are special collections Just getting started, but we do work one afternoon every area assembly with one or two volunteers
Yes, at an AA Meeting facility, 8 x 20 room, with tape library $10,000/year, with $7200 for rent, 2100 for travel and conferences, 700 for supplies. No foundation Yes, also a tape librarian Yes
120-200 cf, including shelves lateral files, file cabinets shelves, reel-to-reel tapes, cassettes, etc. Volunteers work one/month Former delegate participates - - - - 10, Colorado Basement of a church in Denver, ca. 15 x 20 $600/year for rent and $600/year for operating expenses and the traveling displays are funded by Area. AA members contribute financially No foundation. Yes
Yes 70 cf, including file cabinets and more Office open once a month for 2 hours, mainly the archives chair
3x4 cubical - a rental, climate controlled facility -- records are stored in banker boxes $580 annual for storage and copies, postage of our Committee minutes. Area 15 furnishes 1 night lodging each, at Area Quarterly for the Area Archives Chair and the Alternate. No foundation Yes No
Ad-hoc committees. No
16, Georgia Yes, 20 x 30 area adjacent to area office Budget from Area of $2,932. Rent and utilities included in general area office expense No foundation Yes and Steering Cmte, & delegate helping Yes Not stated, Do have display cases Mainly the archivist - - - - 18, Idaho Yes, 2 rooms for storage, 20 x 20 and 20 x 25, and 1 for ref, exhibit, 25 x 15 All funding from Area, $1,200, and from donations. Travel is reimbursed at 0.30/mile No foundation Yes & delegate helping Yes Not stated. Do have 4 file cabinets. Yes, 6-7, and they do reference work - - - - 19, Northern Illinois Yes, 15 x 15 $500 - $800/yr
Yes
Yes 40-50 cf, many tapes & CDs Yes, but no details
yes
10 cf Interview of long timers - - - - 22, Northern Indiana No $100/yr. No foundation. - - - - 27, Louisiana Yes, 12 x 24 room $1,500/year from Area and selling of items No foundation Yes
Yes 288 cubic ft., with archival supplies, shelving, etc. Do reference work, exhibits, and more
No None from Area, some from groups and individuals No foundation. No Yes 150 cf Mainly the archivist - - - - 38, Eastern Maryland Area rents 2 rooms, 200 sq ft each, for archives, in central service bldg Area pays for rent and other expenses. Budget of $1,200/yr. No foundation. Yes
Yes 6 filing cabinets and a bit more [ca. 50 cf] 2nd room is used for processing, etc. Mainly the archivist - - - - 50, Western New York Yes, rent 12 x 20 room from Central Office $500 - $1.000, contributions from groups and individuals, Presently creating a budget. No Area support. No foundation Yes and a treasurer, & very active past delegates Yes
Not stated Mainly the archivist - - - - 64, Central Tennessee (Murfreesboro) Yes, Yes, we have a free-standing building. It is 25 x 45, or 1,125 square feet, concrete block and brick, two rooms. Anonymity protected.
in Area 64] Total budget is about $70 per month for chair person's travel expenses and $500 per year for building, & appointed an archivist & historian . Going to give him $33 per month for traveling expenses.
only charging the cost of construction. Purchasing the building one year at a time by Area 64. Pay it like rent, but will be paid for in 10 years. After paid off, probably will create a foundation at that time. Yes Yes
Have eight four drawer filing cabinet, plus exhibit cases, and going to get acid-free boxes, etc.
traveling archives Front room with display cases and log in room; back room has desks, with strictly volunteer work force, webmaster does a lot of work (2 or 3 days a week from 10 until 3) and recruits well.
$600/year for travel, etc., and groups and events often at least partially reimburse travel and display costs. No foundation. Yes
No 20 cf
Mainly the archivist - - - - 71, Virginia Office space of one room is rented (size not mentioned) Area pays for office expenses, archivist's travel and incidentals, and archives cmte travel and yearly archives open house (amount not mentioned). No foundation Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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