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literature From: Stockholm Fellowship . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/26/2009 4:15:00 AM
royalties for the Big Book and other AAWS literature. I was wondering if anyone knows if royalties are paid to anyone from Grapevine related literature. "Language of the Heart" is a collection of all the Grapevine writings of Bill W. and there have been other anthologies as well. As the Grapevine is official AA literature, though a separate and self-supporting entity, I was curious about any royalties there.
From: il22993us . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/28/2009 9:55:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII My father received his first chip sometime in the late 1960's or 70's. The chip says: "recover, serve, unite" rather than "recovery, service, unity" (like the chips we give out today).
Was there a pattern here? Thanks! Carole, DOS: 07-03-2006 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5553. . . . . . . . . . . . AA in New Jersey 70th Anniversary Celebration From: jax760 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/27/2009 6:08:00 PM
Central Presbyterian Church 46 Park Street Montclair, New Jersey CELEBRATE THE 70th ANNIVERSARY OF A.A. IN NEW JERSEY Come Commemorate the Historic Occasion of the First A.A. meeting in New Jersey on May 14, 1939. (in cooperation with District 37 and the New Haven Group of Montclair, New Jersey) This will be an open speaker meeting recalling The Early History of Alcoholics Anonymous in Northern New Jersey. Come and experience the archives displays detailing the history of A.A. in Northern New Jersey.
http://www.nnjaa.org/pdf/district37_montclair_anniv_2009-05-14.pdf - - - - http://www.nnjaa.org/area44/pdf/archives_first_meeting_2009-01-27.pdf A.A. Group # 4 The New Jersey Group of Alcoholics Anonymous On May 14, 1939, a Sunday afternoon, the very first meeting of what was to become the New Jersey Group of Alcoholics Anonymous took place in the home of Hank and Kathleen P. in Upper Montclair. Meetings that had been formerly held in Brooklyn were held in New Jersey for the next 5 or 6 weeks. The meetings began at 4:00 PM and went most of the night. They rotated speakers for the first portion according to Jimmy B. who was living at Hank and Kathleen's home at that time.
South Orange paying for a "big spread". The wives always attended these meetings along with their spouses. At the May 14th meeting the attendees voted in the Bill and Lois Home Replacement Fund and each pledged different amounts of support. Bill and Lois were doing an errand when they voted on this. They arrived shortly thereafter and Lois wrote in her diary that they were thrilled.
the time, took the train from Connecticut to this historical event of Alcoholics Anonymous in New Jersey. The New Jersey Group of A.A. was later renamed the South Orange Sunday Night Group. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5554. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Royalties for Grapevine related literature From: johnlawlee . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/26/2009 3:19:00 PM
Stockholm Fellowship wrote: >
> royalties for the Big Book and other AAWS > literature. I was wondering if anyone knows > if royalties are paid to anyone from Grapevine > related literature. "Language of the Heart" > is a collection of all the Grapevine writings > of Bill W. and there have been other > anthologies as well. As the Grapevine is > official AA literature, though a separate > and self-supporting entity, I was curious > about any royalties there. > I don't believe The Grapevine magazine has ever been self-supporting. It bleeds money. WSO makes millions on the sale of the Big Books, but that may be its only profitable venture. Our Area is pushing for a Conference action that would end subsidies for the magazine, and would make it available in an online[only]free version. That Action would save millions of dollars and make the magazine available to millions of people.
From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/1/2009 6:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Is Ebby's last name Thatcher or Thacher? LD Pierce http://www.aabibliography.com - - - - From GFC, the moderator: http://www.texasdistrict5.com/history-in-photos.htm about 40% of the way down the page, has a photo of Ebby's Headstone Albany Rural Cemetery, Albany NY The headstone reads: Edwin T. Thacher 1896-1966 - - - - --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Stonebraker" > > Did Ebby -- being who he was, "Edwin > Throckmorton Thacher, the brother of the > Mayor of Albany, New York" -- really live, > eat and sleep in the Calvary Mission -- > or was he kept in the much nicer Calvary > Parish House? > > Bob S. > > P.S. There is a picture of the Calvary > Church Parish House and Mission on the > site below - thanks Art! > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Indyfourthdimension > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Robert Stonebraker > 212 SW 18th Street > Richmond, IN 47347 > (765) 935-0130 >
++++Message 5556. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Royalties for Grapevine related literature From: stockholmfellowship . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/1/2009 10:02:00 AM
Grapevine stopped publishing the magazine. I have lived in several countries overseas and have enjoyed being able to take the Grapevine as a portable meeting when in transit or in countries where there is a language barrier. And, I have a hard-copy to pass on to others. In the States, where I got sober, our service district would bundle old copies of the Grapevine and give them to prisons, hospitals and institutions.
any royalties paid by the AA Grapevine to Bill W's estate for "Language of the Heart" or any other such books. - - - - From: Jon Markle (serenitylodge at mac.com) John Lee, could I ask you to support the statement that "WSO makes millions on the sale of the Big Books"?
many people who do not use the internet, or they do not have access to a computer. To limit the Grapevine, or any other of our literature to on-line access only would be a great disservice to our Fellowship, in my opinion. I don't see how this would fly.
9/9/82
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "johnlawlee" (johnlawlee at yahoo.com) wrote: > > --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, > Stockholm Fellowship > wrote:
> > > > Thank you for the recent history on the > > royalties for the Big Book and other AAWS > > literature. I was wondering if anyone knows > > if royalties are paid to anyone from Grapevine > > related literature. "Language of the Heart" > > is a collection of all the Grapevine writings > > of Bill W. and there have been other > > anthologies as well. As the Grapevine is > > official AA literature, though a separate > > and self-supporting entity, I was curious > > about any royalties there. > > > I don't believe The Grapevine magazine has ever > been self-supporting. It bleeds money. WSO > makes millions on the sale of the Big Books, > but that may be its only profitable venture. > Our Area is pushing for a Conference action > that would end subsidies for the magazine, and > would make it available in an online[only]free > version. That Action would save millions of > dollars and make the magazine available to > millions of people. > > John Lee, Pittsburgh > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5557. . . . . . . . . . . . Grapevine finances From: edgarc@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/1/2009 6:30:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In Message 5554 from (johnlawlee it yahoo.com) John Lee of Pittsburgh said: I don't believe The Grapevine magazine has ever been self-supporting. It bleeds money. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The 990 (income tax) form filed by Alcoholics Anonymous Grapevine, Inc. for 2007, the latest year, shows total revenues of $2,825,277 and total expenses of $2,850,324 for a deficit for the year of $25,047, or a tad less than 1 per cent, which can hardly justify the judgement that it "bleeds money."
return for 2007 for General Service Board of AA shows total revenue of $9,269,143 and total expenses of $8,784,628 for an excess of $484,515 or a little over 5%.
arm, shows total revenue of $8,736,348 and total expenses of $7,999,966 for an excess of $736,382 or about 8.5 per cent. All three tax returns are available to anyone who registers (free) at Guidestar.org, which provides a searchable database of information about 1.7 million charities recognized by the IRS . . .
practices and guided meditation From: mdingle76 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/25/2009 9:48:00 AM
editorial consultant and close friend) speak of Wilson's 11th Step practice, he [Tom] stated the following: 1) Praying in private was important — with the door locked if possible. Use a partition if you share a room with a spouse.
Psalm — which Bill taught his sponsees to say. Also, Bill's favorite Hymn was "Holy, Holy, Holy."
For whatever it's worth! Matt D. - - - - From: James Flynn (jdf10487 at yahoo.com) According to some biographers, Bill W. used automatic writing as a means of receiving guidance from a Higher Power. He also held seances and experimented with other forms of spiritualism.
in Pass It On, page 265 Oh Lord, we thank Thee that Thou art, that we are from everlasting to everlasting. Blessed be Thy holy name and all Thy benefactions to us of light, of love, and of service. May we find and do Thy will in good strength, in good cheer today. May Thy ever-present grace be discovered by family and friends -- those here and those beyond -- by our Societies throughout the world, by men and women everywhere, and among those who must lead in these troubled times.
all beauty, all glory, all power, all love. Indeed, Thou art everlasting love.
passing through Thy many mansions, ever in more discovery of Thee and in no separation between ourselves. - - - - --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "ryantfowler@..." > > Does anyone know what Bill Wilson's meditation > practices were like, especially toward the end > of his life? Also, does anyone know when > guided meditation meetings were first held? > > - - - - > > From the moderator: > > http://hindsfoot.org/medit11.doc > > "Twelve-Step Meditation in the A.A. Big Book > and the 12 & 12" > > will give you an intro to a lot of this. > > Among other things, this article describes > how Bill W. himself talked about the use of > guided imagery on page 100 of the 12 + 12. > > The sections at the end of the article talk > about: > > Quiet Time > > Jacobson's method of progressive relaxation > (VERY effective, and too little known and > used in AA) > > Emmet Fox, The Golden Key > (plus Fox's method of reciting a mantra > to quiet and calm the soul) > > Glenn C. > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5559. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson''s meditation practices and guided meditation From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/2/2009 2:23:00 PM
depression and other things brings to mind his interactions with Dr Earle and Dr Earle's comments on their relationship, plus Dr Earle and his search for serenity in Asia.
Eastern ideas had Bill W's interest, it could add another aspect to Bill W as well as Dr Earle's efforts at meditation practices. George - - - - From the moderator, for more about Dr. Earle M., whom George refers to, see: http://silkworth.net/aabiography/earlem.html Biography: "Physician Heal Thyself!" Dr. Earle M., San Francisco Bay Area, CA. (p. 393 in 2nd edition, p. 345 in 3rd edition, p. 301 in the 4th edition.) "During his first year in A.A. he went to New York and met Bill W. They became very close and talked frequently both on the phone and in person. He frequently visited Bill at his home, Stepping Stones. He called Bill one of his sponsors, and said there was hardly a topic they did not discuss in detail. He took a Fifth Step with Bill. And Bill often talked over his depressions with Earle."
practiced many forms of religion: Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and ancestor worship." GFC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5560. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Spelling of Ebby''s last name From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/4/2009 2:44:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII THACHER (not Thatcher) You can see Ebby's signature in his own writing: http://silkworth.net/aahistory/Signatures_found_in_1st_Big_Book_04_1939.doc Best Regards John B - - - - Message 5446, Dec 21, 2008 from LES COLE (elsietwo at msn.com)
with a "t". I don't know why it was but it seemed OK. Then, recently, I found a picture of Ebby's grave stone and learned how it actually was spelled without the "t". That was my answer. In this new piece, "signatures" I see that Ebby signed his own name without a "t," YET when Virginia MacLeod wrote he commentaries on the same book pages, she wrote Thatcher WITH a "t." Isn't it interesting that the oft-repeated error got started that far back, and when she saw Ebby's signature in the same book, she established an early precedent? Les Colorado Springs, CO - - - - From GFC, the moderator: EBBY'S TOMBSTONE http://www.texasdis trict5.com/ history-in- photos.htm about 40% of the way down the page, has a photo of Ebby's Headstone Albany Rural Cemetery, Albany NY The headstone reads: Edwin T. Thacher 1896-1966 - - - - IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5561. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Grapevine finances From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/3/2009 9:48:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Please make the distinction between "The Grapevine Magazine" and "Grapevine Inc." They are not the same. The tax forms for one cannot be use to support the other. The "magazine" is the primary vehicle for keeping the "Inc" afloat. Off the soap box - - - - From: (elg3_79 at yahoo.com) I realize this discussion is wandering somewhat from historical interest, but those of us who take meetings into correctional facilities where even paperback books are not allowed depend on the Grapevine for our readings and to be able to offer something material to the inmates. An online version could be printed out but does not have the same authenticity as a printed, copyrighted Grapevine issue.
must remove. The GV is rumored to be beginning to make a shift to glued binding.)
literature From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/28/2009 4:29:00 PM
available to those in jail or prison, which is where at least anecdotal evidence indicates it is the most useful. I would welcome historical evidence on whether the grapevine has been self-supporting, but it may be that -- historically, and this is AAHistoryLovers -- the Grapevine was no more envisioned as self-supporting in and of itself than any variety of twelfth-step work would be expected, if evaluated specifically and separately from all other Twelfth-Step activities, to be self-supporting in and of itself.
wretches" may have carried the burden themselves -- Marty and Priscilla and Lois K and Bud T and Felicia and the guy who ran the bookshop on 5th Avenue all had money. Still, it would be interesting to know if it was ever envisioned that the Grapevine would pay for itself.
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 > I don't believe The Grapevine magazine has ever > been self-supporting. It bleeds money .... > Our Area is pushing for a Conference action > that would end subsidies for the magazine, and > would make it available in an online[only]free > version. That Action would save millions of > dollars and make the magazine available to > millions of people. > > John Lee, Pittsburgh - - - - On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Kimball ROWE wrote: > The GV is rumored to be beginning > to make a shift to glued binding.) - - - - From: Cindy Miller (cm53 at earthlink.net) Rumor confirmed. I got mine last week. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5563. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson''s meditation practices and guided meditation From: mdingle76 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/5/2009 6:59:00 PM
Gerald Heard. Gerald was the man who introduced Bill to Aldous Huxley. I suspect that Gene Exman (the religious editor over at Harper that Bill visited with the first 2 chapters of the Big Book)introduced Bill to Gerald. Anyway, Bill (and Lois) first visited Heard on a trip to California in 1941. Heard had been practicing yoga and earnestly studying the Scriptures of many of the world's great religions. Heard wrote many books on the subject of God, religion and also UFO's (a subject that Bill was very interested in and would talk to Heard about at lengths). One of Heard's books even made it into Dr. Bob's library — "A Preface to Prayer." Tom Powers often said that Heard was one of Bill's sponsors. Heard was particularly influenced by Sri Ramakrishna and Heard donated his Monastery, Trabucco Canyon, to the Vedanta Society of Southern California, to be run by Swami Prabhavananda. You can also read Gerald Heard's article in the AA Grapevine called "The Search for Ecstasy." He also wrote articles about AA published in sources outside the Grapevine. Gerald (and Dr. Cohen) oversaw the LSD sessions that both Tom and Bill experienced. (It was Tom and Bill who were sent to California on AA Headquarters business to get AA out on the big screen — a story for a different day.) Matt D. ______________________________ Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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