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Bill W., who with Dr. Bob of Akron started it all; Horace C., Bert T., Dick S., Jack S. and Sim R."
anyone know anything about the last two -- Jack S. and Sim R. -- who, based on the date of the article and their having been described as having "a decade or more" of sobriety, would have to be included in a list of the first 100 sober?
out in Fall 1939? From: katiebartlett79 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/24/2009 12:06:00 PM
published in April 1939,] in the fall of 1939 [in September] Fulton Oursler, then editor of Liberty, printed a piece in his magazine, called "Alcoholics and God." This brought a rush of 800 frantic inquiries into the little New York office which meanwhile had been established. Each inquiry was painstakingly answered; pamphlets and books were sent out .... By the end of 1939 it was estimated that 800 alcoholics were on their way to recovery."
knows what literature was sent out when it states that "pamphlets and books were sent out" from the New York AA office during the period running from September to December of 1939.
Katie from Barking Big Book Study IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5604. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill''s experiment with keeping liquor in the house From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/26/2009 9:33:00 PM
1970s research, including from Lois herself, was that Bill did not keep booze "on the sideboard" but on a closet shelf in case they needed it to help sober up some drunk. Lois also said (and this may also be in her book) that when they found the bottle as they were preparing to move, both of them were surprised that they had forgotten about it.
course, but memory is a very tricky and in general untrustworthy tool, especially in the form of "someone told my sponsor's sponsor that . . . ." On the other hand, we do keep discovering new facets of the old story, which is one great thing about the AAHL group.
Michael F. Margetis wrote: > Hi all, > > On page 281 in "Dr. Bob And The Good Old > Timers" there's a paragraph that reads: > > "Remembering his own disastrous trip to > Atlantic City and Bill's experiment with > keeping liquor on the sideboard to prove it > was no longer a temptation, Dr. Bob advocated > that members stay in dry places whenever > possible. 'You don't ask the Lord not to lead > you into temptation, then turn around and > walk right into it,' he said." > > My question is, what's the story behind > Bill's experiment? > > I've looked everywhere I can think of to > find that story, but can't find it. > > Thanks, > > Mike Margetis > Brunswick, Maryland > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5605. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill''s experiment with keeping liquor in the house From: elg3_79 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/27/2009 10:48:00 AM
stay with Anne and Bob Smith, but my source (http://www.barefootsworld.net/aa-bbtrivia.html) is unclear as to whether this pre- or postdated Dr. Bob's infamous Atlantic City jaunt.
something that is said in the Big Book on page 102 at the bottom of the page -- "Many of us keep liquor in our homes" This source attributes this custom to: 'Our co-founder, Dr Bob. He said "I was adamant on having liquor. I said we had to prove that you could live in the presence of liquor. So I got two big bottles and put them right on the sideboard and that drove Anne wild for awhile."' Y'all's in service Ted G.
++++Message 5606. . . . . . . . . . . . Daily Reflections From: tomper87 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/27/2009 1:28:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have a first printing of The Daily Reflections which does not include the listing of The Twelve Steps and The Twelve Traditions. Can anyone tell me at which printing they were added to the book?
liquor in the house From: CloydG . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/26/2009 1:57:00 PM
on page 103 of "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers," of giving small amounts of alcohol periodically to alcoholics who were detoxing, over the first day or two or three, to help keep them from going into the DTs. Clyde G. - - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael F. Margetis To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Bill's experiment with keeping liquor in the house
On page 281 in "Dr. Bob And The Good Old Timers" there's a paragraph that reads: "Remembering his own disastrous trip to Atlantic City and Bill's experiment with keeping liquor on the sideboard to prove it was no longer a temptation, Dr. Bob advocated that members stay in dry places whenever possible. 'You don't ask the Lord not to lead you into temptation, then turn around and walk right into it,' he said." My question is, what's the story behind Bill's experiment? I've looked everywhere I can think of to find that story, but can't find it. Thanks, Mike Margetis Brunswick, Maryland IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5608. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Big Book Royalties, Bill and Lois''s wills From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/27/2009 5:43:00 PM
AAWorld Services, Inc dated April 29, 1963 can be found by entering: William Wilson Will on the URL line which brings up GOOGLE sites. Click Bill Wilson Royalty Agreement. Therein are descriptions of Copyright provisions, and references to Bill's WILL, and references to Lois's WILL.
typing in Bill W WILL on URL line; then click William Wilson's Last Will.
written January 12, 1968. - - - - Lois's WILL can be found by entering Lois Wilson Will On the URL line, then click Lois Wilson's Last Will and Testament.
From: elsietwo@msn.com Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:55:48 +0000 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Royalties for Grapevine related literature
basically found in reading a copy of Bill's WILL and Lois's WILL.
Lois''s wills From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/28/2009 1:10:00 PM
the wills on a well-known anti-AA website (see the end of this message for the URLs).
to that same website. ((mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com)) - - - - An email from Greg S. mentions the copy of the wills on that site, which he warns us "are not the actual papers but retyped." BUT GREG SAYS THAT THERE IS A BETTER SITE TO GO TO: If you want to post these for information purposes, here is a better site (retyped also) but there is the 1968 AND the 1965 will of Bill, plus the 1963 royalty agreement: http://aagso.org/aaws/heirs.htm (Bill) http://aagso.org/aaws/lois.htm (Lois) - - - - ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Message #5608 from LES COLE (elsietwo at msn.com) Re: Big Book Royalties, Bill and Lois's wills Copies of the Agreement between Bill and AAWorld Services, Inc dated April 29, 1963 can be found by entering: William Wilson Will on the URL line which brings up GOOGLE sites. Click Bill Wilson Royalty Agreement. Therein are descriptions of Copyright provisions, and references to Bill's WILL, and references to Lois's WILL. - - - - The actual WILLs can be found the same way by typing in Bill W WILL on URL line; then click William Wilson's Last Will. There was one written August 2, 1965 and one written January 12, 1968. - - - - Lois's WILL can be found by entering Lois Wilson Will On the URL line, then click Lois Wilson's Last Will and Testament. It was written August 11, 1983 Les C
LES'S INSTRUCTIONS TAKE YOU TO THIS WEBSITE: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-BillWill.html http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-LoisWill.html IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5610. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill Wilson''s Will - 12th day of January, 1968 From: Patricia . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/28/2009 8:55:00 AM
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State of New York, being of sound and disposing mind and memory, do hereby make, publish and declare this instrument to be the First Codicil to my Last Will and
Testament dated August 2, 1965. First: I revoke Article "FIRST" of my said Will. Second: The following shall be added to my said Will in lieu of the former Article "FIRST": FIRST: I have entered into an agreement, dated April 29, 1963, with Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., of 305 East 45th Street, New York, New York, under which royalties may become payable to me with respect to certain books or other material of which I am the author or which I have prepared for publication [understand the background of these terms: the authors of the Big Book and other publications get nothing but Bill and his heirs get the financial rewards] as set forth in the agreement (the agreement and all modifications, renewals or extensions thereof is hereinafter referred to as the "Royalty Agreement"). Under the present terms of the Royalty Agreement, I have the right to bequeath to my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, and any other persons living at the time of my death, life interests in the royalties payable after my death and I also have the right to grant to my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, the power to designate in her Last Will and Testament, duly admitted to probate, persons selected by her who are living at the time of her death who shall be entitled to receive, in such proportions as my said wife may designate, life interests after her death in all or part of the royalties payable to her after my death. Accordingly, I direct that all of the right, title or interest that I may have
at the time of my death in or to any royalties under the Royalty Agreement shall
be disposed of as follows: A. I give and bequeath to HELEN WYNN [Bill changed his Will to take 10% of the
royalties from his wife Lois and give them to his mistress Helen], of Pleasantville, New York, if she survives me, a life interest in ten percent (10%) of such royalties. If the said HELEN WYNN does not survive me, I direct
that the said ten percent (10%) of such royalties shall be disposed of in accordance with the provisions of Paragraphs B or C, as the case my be of this Article FIRST. B. I give and bequeath to my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, if she survives me, a life interest in the remaining ninety percent (90%) of such royalties. I also grant to my said wife, if she survives me, the power to select and designate in her Last Will and Testament, duly admitted to probate, persons living at the time of her death who are to receive life interests after her death in such royalties in such proportions as she may designate. If my said wife fails to exercise, in whole or in part, the power of appointment granted to her under the
preceding provisions of this Paragraph B, I direct that any royalties which remain undisposed of as a result of such failure shall be disposed of in accordance with the provisions of Paragraph C of this Article FIRST as though I
had survived my said wife and died immediately after her death. C. If my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, does not survive me, I direct that all of the right or title that I may have at the time of my death in and to the remaining ninty percent (90%) of such royalties shall be divided into twenty (20) equal shares, which shall be disposed of as follows: 1. I give and bequeath a life interest in three of such shares to my sister, HELEN EVANS, if she survives me. 2. I give and bequeath a life interest in two of such shares to my sister, DOROTHY STRONG, if she survives me. 3. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to my brother-in-law, DR. LEONARD STRONG, if he survives me. 4. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to my cousin, HOWARD WILSON, if he survives me. 5. I give and bequeath a life interest in two of such shares to my brother-in-law, ROGERS BURNHAM, if he survives me. 6. I give and bequeath a life interest in three of such shares to LAURA BURNHAM
(the wife of my brother-in-law, ROGERS BURNHAM), if she survives me. 7. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to my brother-in-law, DR. LYMAN BURNHAM, if he survives me. 8. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to FLORENCE BURNHAM (the wife of my brother-in-law, DR. LYMAN BURNHAM), if she survives me.
sister-in-law, BARBARA JONES, if she survives me. 10. I give and bequeath a life interest in three of such shares to NELL WING,
if she survives me. 11. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to HARRIET SEVERINO, if she survives me. If any beneficiary named in any of subdivisions "1" through "11" of this Paragraph C does not survive me, I direct that the share (or shares) and the life interest in such share (or shares) of such deceased beneficiary shall be divided among the beneficiaries named in subdivisions "1" through "11" of this Paragraph C who do survive me, in the proportion that the share (or shares) of each such surviving beneficiary bears (or bear) to the total shares of all such surviving beneficiaries. Third: I hereby revoke the sentence following subdivision "11" of Paragraph B of Article "THIRD" of my Will and add the following sentence in its place: If any beneficiary named in any of subdivisions "1" through "11" of this Paragraph B of this Article THIRD does not survive me, I direct that the share (or shares) and the life interest in such share (or shares) of such deceased beneficiary shall be divided among the beneficiaries named in subdivisions "1"
through "11" of this Paragraph B of this Article THIRD, who do survive me, in the proportion that the share (or shares) of each such surviving beneficiary bears (or bear) to the total shares of all such surviving beneficiaries. Fourth: Except as modified herein, I ratify, confirm and republish my said Will of August 2, 1965. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 12th day of January, 1968.
WILLIAM GRIFFITH WILSON The foregoing instrument was signed, sealed, published and declared by WILLIAM
GRIFFITH WILSON, the testator named herein, as and for a FIRST CODICIL to his
Last Will and Testament dated August 2, 1965, in our presence and in the presence of each of us, at 460 Park Avenue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----
Bill Wilson's Previous Will - 2nd day of August 1965 I, WILLIAM GRIFFITH WILSON, residing in Bedford Hills, County of Westchester, State of New York, being of sound and disposing mind and memory, do hereby make, publish and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament, hereby revoking all former Wills and Codicils by me at any time heretofore made. FIRST: I have entered into an agreement, dated April 29, 1963, with Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. of 305 East 45th Street, New York, New York under which royalties may become payable to me with respect to certain books or other material of which I may be the author or which I may prepare for
publication, as more particularly set forth in the said agreement (which agreement, together with all modifications, renewals or extensions thereof is hereinafter referred to as the "Royalty Agreement"). Under the present terms of the Royalty Agreement, I have the right to bequeath to my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, a life interest in the royalties payable after my death and I also have
the right to grant to my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, the power to designate in her Last Will and Testament, duly admitted to probate, persons selected by her who are living at the time of her death who shall be entitled to receive, in such proportions as my said wife may designate, life interests after her death
in all or part of the royalties. If at the time of my death, I have the right
under the Royalty Agreement to bequeath to my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, a life
interest in the royalties payable after my death, I give and bequeath to my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, a life interest in such royalties, to the extent that I have the right to do so under the Royalty Agreement, and I also grant to my said wife, to the extent that I have the right to do so under the Royalty Agreement, the power to select in her Last Will and Testament, duly admitted to probate, persons living at the time of her death who are to receive a life interest after her death in all or part of such royalties in such proportions as my said wife may designate. If my wife, LOIS DURNHAM WILSON, shall not survive
me, I direct that all of the right, title or interest that I may have at the time of my death in or to any royalties under the Royalty Agreement shall be divided into twenty (20) equal shares which shall be disposed of as follows:
HELEN EVANS, if she shall survive me. B. I give and bequeath a life interest in two of such shares to my sister, DOROTHY STRONG, if she shall survive me. C. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to my brother-in-law, DR. LEONARD STRONG, if he shall survive me. D. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to my cousin, HOWARD WILSON, if he shall survive me. E. I give and bequeath a life interest in two of such shares to my brother-in-law, ROGERS BURNHAM, if he shall survive me. F. I give and bequeath a life interest in three of such shares to LAURA BURNHAM (who is the wife of my brother-in-law Rogers Burnham), if she shall survive me. G. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to my brother-in-law, DR. LYMAN BURNHAM, if he shall survive me. H. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to FLORENCE BURNHAM (who is the wife of my brother-in-law, Dr. Lyman Burnham), if she shall
survive me. I. I give and bequeath a life interest in two of such shares to my sister-in-law, BARBARA JONES, if she shall survive me. J. I give and bequeath a life interest in three of such shares to NELL WING, if she shall survive me. K. I give and bequeath a life interest in one of such shares to HARRIET SEVERINO, if she shall survive me. If my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, shall not survive me and if any beneficiary named in any paragraph of Paragraphs "A" through "K" of this Article "FIRST" shall not survive me, I direct that the share (or shares) and the life interests in such share (or shares), of such deceased beneficiary shall be divided among the beneficiaries named in Paragraphs "A" through "K" of this Article "FIRST" who shall survive me in the proportion that the share (or shares) of each such surviving beneficiary bears (or bear) to the total shares of all such surviving beneficiaries. SECOND: I give, devise and bequeath all of the rest, residue and remainder of my estate, whether real, personal or mixed, of whatsoever kind and nature and wheresoever situate, of which I may die seized or possessed, or in which I may have any interest, or over which I may have any power of appointment or testamentary disposition (hereinafter referred to as my residuary estate), to my
wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, if she shall survive me. THIRD: If my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, shall not survive me, I direct that my residuary estate shall be disposed of as follows: A. If at the time of my death I am the owner of a home (presently owned by my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON) located at Stepping Stones, Bedfords Hills, New York, I give, devise and bequeath the said home together with all furniture, furnishings, carpets, rugs, drapes and other household appurtenances that I may
own at the time of my death and which are then located in my said home in equal
shares to AL-ANON FAMILY GROUPS HEADQUARTERS, INC. of 125 East 23rd Street, New
York, New York and the GENERAL SERVICE BOARD OF A.A., INC. of 305 East 45th Street, New York, New York. B. I direct that the balance of my residuary estate shall be divided into twenty (20) equal shares which shall be disposed of as follows: 1. I give, devise and bequeath three of such shares to my sister, HELEN EVANS,
if she shall survive me. 2. I give, devise and bequeath two of such shares to my sister, DOROTHY STRONG, if she shall survive. 3. I give, devise and bequeath one of such shares to my brother-in-law, DR. LEONARD STRONG, if he shall survive me. 4. I give, devise and bequeath one of such shares to my cousin, HOWARD WILSON,
if he shall survive me. 5. I give, devise and bequeath two of such shares to my brother-in-law, ROGERS BURNHAM, if he shall survive me. 6. I give, devise and bequeath three of such shares to LAURA BURNHAM (the wife
of my brother-in-law ROGERS BURNHAM), if she shall survive me. 7. I give, devise and bequeath one of such shares to my brother-in-law, DR. LYMAN BURNHAM, if he shall survive me. 8. I give, devise and bequeath one of such shares to FLORENCE BURNHAM (the wife of my brother-in-law DR. LYMAN BURNHAM), if she shall survive me. 9. I give, devise and bequeath two of such shares to my sister-in-law, BARBARA
JONES, if she shall survive me. 10. I give devise and bequeath three of such shares to NELL WING, if she shall survive me. 11. I give, devise and bequeath one of such shares to HARRIET SEVERINO, if she
shall survive me. If any beneficiary named in any subdivision of subdivisions "1" through "11" of this Paragraph "B" of this Article "THIRD" shall not survive me, the share of such deceased beneficiary shall be divided among the beneficiaries named in subdivisions "1" through "11" of this Paragraph "B" of this Article "THIRD" who
shall survive me in the proportion that the share of each such surviving beneficiary bears to the total shares of all such surviving beneficiaries. FOURTH: If any person named herein as devisee, legatee or beneficiary, and I, should die simultaneously or under such circumstances that it is difficult or impracticable to determine that one of us has survived the other, the provisions herein relating to such person shall be given effect as if I had survived such person.
FIFTH: My Executrix shall have full power and authority in her absolute and uncontrolled discretion to hold and retain any of the property coming into her hand hereunder in the same form of investment as that in which it is received by her, although it may not be of the character of investments permitted by law to executors, including, but not limited to, the right to continue the operation of any business in which I may be engaged at the time of my death, for so long a period as she in her solo, absolute and uncontrolled discretion, may deem proper. She shall also have full power and authority, in her absolute and uncontrolled discretion, to improve, sell or lease for any period although it may extend beyond the duration of the administration of the estate, but not to exceed twenty-one years, for any price and with any provisions for renewal or renewals which she shall deem advisable, or mortgage or exchange the whole or any part of the property, real or personal, at any time held by her hereunder, for such price and upon such terms and conditions as may to her seem advisable.
securities of the character permitted for the investment of trust funds by the laws of the State of New York or any other state, but instead shall have power in her discretion at any time and from time to time to invest in, and to purchase and hold for investment, such securities, including common and preferred stocks and/or any other type or kind of property, including non-income-producing securities or property and any so-called wasting investment as she in her absolute and uncontrolled discretion shall deem advisable, and from time to time to alter and vary any investment at any time made or held. I specifically authorize my Executrix to hold uninvested any part of my estate or funds for such time or times as she in her sole and uncontrolled judgment may deem advisable. I have given my Executrix the unusual power to purchase and hold non-income-producing property and wasting investments and even to hold funds uninvested because I do not wish to limit her in her investment or reinvestment of the estate and so possibly prevent nor meeting some economic emergency which I cannot now anticipate. I desire her to be free to purchase and hold such property as she may, in her sole and uncontrolled discretion, deem
necessary at any time to protect the corpus of the estate from depletion. No purchaser at any sale made by my Executrix shall be bound to inquire into the
expediency, propriety, validity or necessity of any sale made by her or to see
to or be liable for the application of the purchase moneys arising therefrom. My Executrix shall have the power in her discretion to vote in person or by proxy all stock held by her; to assent to any action or non-action, to enter into or consent to any reorganization, lease or sale, to pay out of any fund administered hereunder to any committee, representative, agent or depositary, any assessments, expenses, contributions and sums of money in connection with any securities held by her; to exchange the securities held by her for other securities issued in connection with such arrangement and to accept and retain
such other securities so received, anything herein to the contrary notwithstanding; to register any property in the name of her nominees or in her own name, or to hold the property unregistered or in such other form that title shall pass by delivery, but without thereby increasing or decreasing her liability as Executrix and, generally, to exercise in respect to all securities held by her all the same rights and powers as are or may be lawfully exercised by persons owning similar propery in their own right.
or in connection with the purchase, management or sale of any securities or other property held by her as Executrix, power to employ agents, custodians, depositaries, accountants, attorneys, investment counsel or other advisers, to delegate to them discretionary powers and to compensate them for their services as an expense of the administration of my estate. I give to my Executrix power to insure or otherwise protect any personal property constituting part of my estate. In making any division or distribution of my estate, my Executrix shall have full power to make such division or distribution in cash or in kind or partly in cash and partly in kind and to allot to any separate beneficiary, in equal or unequal proportions, specific securities or property or undivided interests therein, to fix the value of any part of the property so divided or distributed, and the value so fixed by her shall be binding and conclusive upon all persons
having any interest therein. SIXTH: I nominate and appoint my wife, LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, to be the Executrix of this Will. If my wife LOIS BURNHAM WILSON, should predecease me or shall fail to qualify as Executrix or having qualified shall fail to continue to act as Executrix, I nominate and appoint, in the following order, BERNARD B. SMITH of 460 Park Avenue, New York, New York, LEONARD H. STEIBEL of 460 Park Avenue, New York, New York, and MICHAEL ALEXANDER of 460 Park Avenue, New York, New York, to be the substitute Executor in the place and stead of my said wife or of any previous substitute Executor who may have predeceased me or who shall have failed to qualify as Executor or having qualified shall fail to continue as Executor. Whenever the word "Executor" is used in this Last Will and Testament, it shall
be deemed to refer (unless the context shall indicate otherwise) to the Executrix or substitute Executor then qualified and acting. I direct that no Executrix or substitute Executor shall be required to give any
bond or other security in the State of New York or elsewhere. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 2nd day of August
1965. WILLIAM GRIFFITH WILSON (L.S.) WILLIAM GRIFFITH WILSON The foregoing instrument was subscribed, sealed, published and declared by WILLIAM GRIFFITH WILSON, the Testator above named, as and for his LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT, in our presence and in the presence of each of us, and we at his request and in his presence and at the same time and in the presence of each other, subscribed our names and residences as attesting witnesses this 2nd day of August 1965. LEONARD H. STEIBEL residing at Hilldale Lane Sands Point, N.Y. ELEANOR P. FISHER residing at 78-31 264 St. Glen Oaks, Floral Park, N.Y. MICHAEL ALEXANDER residing at 73-12 35 Ave. Queens, N.Y., N.Y. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5611. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What pamphlets and books were sent out in Fall 1939? From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/27/2009 10:57:00 PM
the office published the Houston Press articles. Posted on silkworth.net
about 15 years later so the error in memory (Bill's) is not unusual as to the time-line.
beginning in early April of 39. PS Don't forget to celebrate the 70th birthday of our book on April 10, 2009. This was the date of publication listed on the copyright.
(mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com) Hi Katie, The first official pamphlet published by the Alcoholic Foundation was simply titled "AA." It was basically a series of newspaper articles written by Larry Jewell who moved from Cleveland, Ohio to Houston, Texas after he sobered up and was sponsored by Clarence Snyder. Larry was offered a job with the Houston Press by its owner as Larry was an excellent reporter before his drinking took over.
in April 1939.
(katiebartlett79 at yahoo.co.uk) Subject: What pamphlets and books were sent out in Fall 1939? Foreword to second edition, page xviii: "[5 months after the 1st ed. of the Big Book was published in April 1939,] in the fall of 1939 [in September] Fulton Oursler, then editor of Liberty, printed a piece in his magazine, called "Alcoholics and God." This brought a rush of 800 frantic inquiries into the little New York office which meanwhile had been established. Each inquiry was painstakingly answered; pamphlets and books were sent out ..... By the end of 1939 it was estimated that 800 alcoholics were on their way to recovery."
knows what literature was sent out when it states that "pamphlets and books were sent out" from the New York AA office during the period running from September to December of 1939.
Katie from Barking Big Book Study IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5612. . . . . . . . . . . . When did Helen Wynn die? From: chris fuccione . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/29/2009 2:35:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have a quick question. Is Helen Wynn still alive?
- - - - > A. I give and bequeath to HELEN WYNN [Bill changed his Will to take 10% of the royalties from his wife Lois and give them to his mistress Helen], of Pleasantville, New York, if she survives me, a life interest in ten percent (10%) of such royalties. If the said HELEN WYNN does not survive me, I direct that the said ten percent (10%) of such royalties shall be disposed of in accordance with the provisions of Paragraphs B or C, as the case my be of this
Article FIRST. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5613. . . . . . . . . . . . Barney Silkworth 1930 - 2009 From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/28/2009 8:16:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII It is with much sadness that I inform you of Barney Silkworth's obituary & funeral plans (nephew of Dr. William D. Silkworth, M.D.):
long illness. He was born in Long Branch and graduated from Long Branch High School in 1949. He served in the US Navy from 1953-54 and graduated from Trenton
State College in 1955. Mr. Silkworth worked for the Long Branch Board of Education for just over fifty years, and retired in July of 2005. For 43 years, he taught industrial arts, serving as the department head for industrial and fine arts for several years. At the time of his retirement, Mr. Silkworth oversaw the Board of Education buildings and grounds. He also served as the Building Inspector for the Borough of Oceanport for nearly twenty years.
from
small bird carvings to building and renovating boats and houses. He was a former
member of the Shore Shop Teachers' Association, the Building Inspectors' Association, the Long Branch Ice Boat and Yacht Club, and the Oceanport Republican Club. He also served for many years on the Oceanport Planning Board.
Silkworth, and his brother, William D. Silkworth. He is survived by his wife of 49 years, Barbara Becker Silkworth; his daughter, Stacy Silkworth, Long Branch; his son, William O. Silkworth, and daughter- in- law, Denise, and grandchildren, Samuel and Henry, all of Oceanport. He also leaves his sister-in-law, Adelaide Silkworth, of Hickory, NC; brother-in-law, Steven Becker, and his wife Maryann
of Oceanport. He leaves cousins, several nieces, nephews, great and great-great nieces and nephews.
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Broadway, Long Branch, on Saturday, April 4 at10 a.m. The family will receive
visitors after the service at the church. In lieu of flowers the family asks that you consider contributions in his name to The Cancer Institute of New Jersey, Tower Two Fifth Floor, 120 Albany Street, New Brunswick, NJ 08901-9919, research of Dr. Dale Schaar; or St. Barnabas Hospice and Palliative Care Center,
95 Old Short Hills Road, 1st Floor, West Orange, NJ 07052. You may light a candle of remembrance for Mr. Silkworth on the opposite page. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5614. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What pamphlets and books were sent out in Fall 1939? From: schaberg43 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/28/2009 6:06:00 PM
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and distributed very shortly after the book was published. The book was published on April 10, 1939 and two weeks later on April 24 there is a letter from Ruth Hock to an S. Jenkins in New York City which starts out: "We are wondering why we have not heard from you regarding our pamphlet on "Alcoholics Anonymous" (Document 1939-253)
half-sized paper (5.5" x 8.5") that have been pre-printed on both sides - producing 8 pages of text. The first page is a letter "Thank you for your enquiry..." signed by "Works Publishing Company" and the following seven sides contain excerpts from the book, including: five paragraphs from the "Doctor's Opinion" followed by similarly short selections from "There is a Solution," "More About Alcoholism," "To Wives," "The Family Afterwards," "To Employers," and a quote from one of the personal stories in the rear (taken from page 393 of
the first printing of the book). I suspect that this is the 'pamphlet' mentioned here. Best, Old Bill --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "katiebartlett79" wrote:
> > Foreword to second edition, page xviii: > > "[5 months after the 1st ed. of the Big Book was > published in April 1939,] in the fall of 1939 > [in September] Fulton Oursler, then editor > of Liberty, printed a piece in his magazine, > called "Alcoholics and God." This brought a > rush of 800 frantic inquiries into the little > New York office which meanwhile had been > established. Each inquiry was painstakingly > answered; pamphlets and books were sent out > .... By the end of 1939 it was estimated that > 800 alcoholics were on their way to recovery." > > My group and I would like to know if anyone > knows what literature was sent out when it > states that "pamphlets and books were sent > out" from the New York AA office during the > period running from September to December of > 1939. >
> > Katie from Barking Big Book Study >
America in April 1896 From: Fiona Dodd . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/28/2009 5:23:00 PM
Family sailed from Queenstown(now Cobh) in Cork to Philadelphia USA on April 2nd 1896, arriving in Philadelphia on 17th April 1896. The Gavin family were not "two boaters", they sailed directly from Queenstown to Philadelphia, as has been
reported in other accounts. The terms two-boater and three-boater were coined to describe Irish-American families whose meandering migratory paths to the United
States had begun with a sea voyage from Ireland to Newfoundland. They sailed on the SS Indiana which was built in 1873. She belonged to the International Navigation Co of New Jersey, which later became the American Line.
masts, iron construction, single screw and a speed of 12 knots. There was accommodation for 46-1st, 132-intermediate and 789-3rd class passengers. Built
by W.Cramp & Sons, Philadelphia, she was launched on 25/3/1873. She commenced her first voyage on 27/10/1873 when she sailed from Philadelphia for Queenstown (Cobh) and Liverpool. On 6/3/1889 she was chartered to Red Star Line and completed a single round voyage from Antwerp to New York. In 1891 she was fitted with triple expansion engines and rebuilt to accommodate intermediate and 3rd class passengers only. On 1/12/1897 she commenced her last voyage from Liverpool to Philadelphia and 28/3/1898 sailed from Philadelphia for Seattle, where she was sold for service on the Pacific. On 3/4/1909 she was wrecked at Cape Tosco, Mexico.
Name: Pat GAVIN Date of departure: 2 April 1896 Port of departure: Queenstown Destination port: Philadelphia Destination country: USA Date of Birth: Age: Adult Sex: Male Occupation: Labr Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 3 Name: Barbara GAVIN Date of departure: 2 April 1896 Port of departure: Queenstown Destination port: Philadelphia Destination country: USA Date of Birth: Age: Adult Marital Status: Married Sex: Female Occupation: Wife Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 3 Name: Bgt GAVIN Date of departure: 2 April 1896 Port of departure: Queenstown Destination port: Philadelphia Destination country: USA Date of Birth: Age: Child Marital Status: Sex: Female Occupation: Child Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 3 passenger transcript details Name: Pat GAVIN Date of departure: 2 April 1896 Port of departure: Queenstown Passenger destination port: Philadelphia, USA Passenger destination: Philadelphia, USA Date of Birth: Age: Child Marital status: Sex: Male Occupation: Son Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 3 Ship: INDIANA Official Number: Master's name: Thompson Steamship Line: Where bound: Philadelphia, USA Square feet: 2456 Registered tonnage: 2426 Passengers on voyage: 58 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5616. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: When did Helen Wynn die? From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/31/2009 8:56:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "chris fuccione" > > I have a quick question. Is Helen Wynn still > alive? > > I assume not. But when did she die? > - - - -
using that name at the time of her death, and that she is included in the Social
Security Death Index, I believe she must have been the one who died in Moroni,
Comoros in March 1978. The last address of that (American) Helen Wynn is listed
as "Europe," and the Helen Wynn who knew Bill Wilson had been living in Ireland
at the time of Bill's death. Caveats: Helen Wynn was originally her stage name although I'm assuming it was
her legal name when Bill put her in his will. She was born in Utah (see Francis
Hartigan, most of whose information seems to have come from a 1939 NYT article
about her) as Helen Simis. She seems never to have used the name of her husband,
Shepperd Strudwick. Not everyone ends up in the Social Security Death records,
and if she did not I have clearly found the wrong Helen Wynn. She must have paid
into Social Security, however, if she worked for the Grapevine and so would be expected to be on the list. Whether that is the correct death record or not, I am reasonably sure that she
was neither "22 years younger than Lois" as some sources say, or "22 years younger than Bill" as other sources have it. She was born around 1907 which would make her 12 years younger than Bill.
Prayer?
From: priscilla_semmens . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/30/2009 10:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII April 1, 1940 - Larry J. of Houston is said to have written "The Texas Prayer," used to open AA meetings in Texas.
reference to Bill Pittman, "Stepping Stones to Recovery," p. 257, where Bill gave the following prayer and claimed that this was the Texas Prayer: ____________________ Our Father, we come to You as a friend. You have said that, where two or three are gathered in Your name, there You will be in the midst. We believe You are with us now. We believe this is something You would have us do, and that it has Your blessing. We believe that You want us to be real partners with You in this business of living, accepting our full responsibility, and certain that the rewards will be freedom, and growth, and happiness. For this, we are grateful. We ask You, at all times, to guide us. Help us daily to come closer to You, and grant us new ways of living our gratitude. ____________________
does not sound like language and phraseology from 1940 to me. I would be willing to stand corrected on that however. Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5618. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: What are the words to the Texas Prayer?
From: hartsell . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/31/2009 4:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have heard this or similar wording at larger Open Speaker meetings in Texas over the past 40+ years, but have no way of knowing if THIS is the referenced one, or IF there is one known as The Texas Prayer.
On Behalf Of priscilla_semmens Subject: What are the words to the Texas Prayer?
have written "The Texas Prayer," used to open AA meetings in Texas.
reference to Bill Pittman, "Stepping Stones to Recovery," p. 257, where Bill gave the following prayer and claimed that this was the Texas Prayer: ____________________ Our Father, we come to You as a friend. You have said that, where two or three are gathered in Your name, there You will be in the midst. We believe You are with us now. We believe this is something You would have us do, and that it has Your blessing. We believe that You want us to be real partners with You in this business of living, accepting our full responsibility, and certain that the rewards will be freedom, and growth, and happiness. For this, we are grateful. We ask You, at all times, to guide us. Help us daily to come closer to You, and grant us new ways of living our gratitude. ____________________
does not sound like language and phraseology from 1940 to me. I would be willing to stand corrected on that however.
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/31/2009 8:26:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Evidence of ship passenger lists (ships docking in NYC) shows Helen Simis (b.
Jan 17 1907) in 1930 and Helen Strudwick (b Jan 17 1907) in the 1940s. The Helen Wynn who died at Moroni in 1978 was b. Jan 17 1907: she is therefore the correct Helen Wynn. She was b. in Utah, the daughter of Richard and Lina Simis (both b. 1874) and had several siblings. Her husband Shepperd Strudwick (jr), 1907-1983, was married from 1977 to another wife but is recorded as having had a son by a previous marriage -- presumably the Shepperd Strudwick who was b. Los Angeles June 14 1944, mother's maiden name Simis. Shepperd Strudwick Jr (real name) and Helen Simis (Helen Wynn) were m. May 10, 1936. He m. his second wife by 1947, third in 1958, fourth (Mary Jeffrey) in 1977. Their son, Shepperd Strudwick III attended the Harvey School in Katonah, translated the French play
L'Ete in 1973 and has been connected with the Williamstown Theatre, but I don't
know where he is now, or if he's still alive (he'd only be 64). > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > From: corafinch@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:56:24 +0000 > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: When did Helen Wynn die? > > --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, > "chris fuccione" > >
> > I have a quick question. Is Helen Wynn still > > alive? > > > > I assume not. But when did she die? > > > - - - - > > If someone has a better source, disregard this. Assuming that Helen Wynn was using that name at the time of her death, and that she is included in the Social Security Death Index, I believe she must have been the one who died in Moroni, Comoros in March 1978. The last address of that (American) Helen Wynn is listed as "Europe," and the Helen Wynn who knew Bill Wilson had been living in Ireland at the time of Bill's death. > > Caveats: Helen Wynn was originally her stage name although I'm assuming it was her legal name when Bill put her in his will. She was born in Utah (see Francis Hartigan, most of whose information seems to have come from a 1939 NYT article about her) as Helen Simis. She seems never to have used the name of her husband, Shepperd Strudwick. Not everyone ends up in the Social Security Death records, and if she did not I have clearly found the wrong Helen Wynn. She must have paid into Social Security, however, if she worked for the Grapevine and so would be expected to be on the list. > > Whether that is the correct death record or not, I am reasonably sure that she was neither "22 years younger than Lois" as some sources say, or "22 years younger than Bill" as other sources have it. She was born around 1907 which would make her 12 years younger than Bill. > >
++++Message 5620. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: What are the words to the Texas Prayer?
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/2/2009 11:09:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Glenn The prayer was written in March (not April) 1940 by Larry J the founder of AA in Texas (Cleveland, OH is the parent group of Texas). I have a collection of copies of correspondence among Larry J, Ruth Hock and Bobbi B. Included in the material is a copy of the prayer that is word for word the same as the text cited in your message. The prayer's title was "A.A. Prayer" and it concluded with "Amen." I don't believe that usage of the prayer went too far beyond Houston and don't know where Pittman got the idea that it did. There is much myth circulating regarding Texas AA (e.g. the "Texas Prayer" and "Texas Preamble") that have fragments of fact supplemented by anecdotal embellishments that are not factual.
Cleveland Group. Larry was always in very poor physical condition - drunk or sober. He returned to IV drug use around the Spring of 1941 and then returned to drinking shortly thereafter and was never able to sober up again beyond brief intervals. Larry J passed away in May 1944.
From: priscilla_semmens Subject: What are the words to the Texas Prayer?
have written "The Texas Prayer," used to open AA meetings in Texas.
reference to Bill Pittman, "Stepping Stones to Recovery," p. 257, where Bill gave the following prayer and claimed that this was the Texas Prayer: ____________________ Our Father, we come to You as a friend. You have said that, where two or three are gathered in Your name, there You will be in the midst. We believe You are with us now. We believe this is something You would have us do, and that it has Your blessing. We believe that You want us to be real partners with You in this business of living, accepting our full responsibility, and certain that the rewards will be freedom, and growth, and happiness. For this, we are grateful. We ask You, at all times, to guide us. Help us daily to come closer to You, and grant us new ways of living our gratitude. ____________________
were sent out in Fall 1939? From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/3/2009 6:25:00 PM
publication of the Big Book in 1939 and prior to publication of the Houston Press articles by Larry J in early 1940. The reprints were often published in 9x5 inch booklet (or pamphlet) format. Shortly after relocating from Cleveland to Houston, Larry J sent a January 28, 1940 letter to Ruth Hock requesting copies of literature which he identified as Dr Fosdick's review of the Big Book, a July 1939 Journal-Lancet article by Dr Silkworth (pre-publication portions of which were included in "The Doctor's Opinion") and something called the "Mt. Airy Sanitarium bulletin" (which I've yet to see). These literature items are likely part of the "pamphlets" mentioned by Bill W in the Foreword to the Second Edition as being sent out in late 1939. There could have been other items reprinted as well, the NY office was always on the lookout for favorable public relations references. The published booklet (or pamphlet) of Larry J's articles first occurred with limited printings in February and March 1940. After Larry J received a release from the Houston Press, regular reprinting occurred from April 1940 on. The booklet also includes a supplement added to Larry J's articles that listed the Twelve Steps. Larry discussed the Steps in his articles but didn't list them. The booklet also includes the July 1939 Lancet-Journal article by Dr Silkworth.
the Fall to end of 1939). However, as noted below by Mitchell K, the publication is generally considered the AA Fellowship's first piece of "official" literature explicitly financed and approved by the Alcoholic Foundation. With the exception of the Big Book, the publication seems to be the only other piece of AA literature predominantly written by an AA member. The public relations blessing that sparked both the need for, and wide-spread distribution of, the booklet (or pamphlet) was likely the nation-wide publicity generated by the Rockefeller Dinner on February 8, 1940.
Edition that the Cleveland Group started in 1937 and he also omits mention of the 1939 Cleveland Plain Dealer articles which followed shortly after the Liberty Magazine article. The Cleveland Plain Dealer articles, in my judgment, had a much more profound effect than the Liberty magazine article. The combination of the two resulted in an outpouring of appeals for help in Cleveland that quickly propelled Cleveland membership to a level that dwarfed the combined membership of Akron and NY and kept it that way for some time after. Cheers Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Barton Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:58 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: What pamphlets and books were sent out in Fall 1939? Books only during the Fall of 1939! The first pamphlet wasn't until mid-1940 when the office published the Houston Press articles. Posted on silkworth.net
about 15 years later so the error in memory (Bill's) is not unusual as to the time-line.
beginning in early April of 39. PS Don't forget to celebrate the 70th birthday of our book on April 10, 2009. This was the date of publication listed on the copyright.
(mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com) Hi Katie, The first official pamphlet published by the Alcoholic Foundation was simply titled "AA." It was basically a series of newspaper articles written by Larry Jewell who moved from Cleveland, Ohio to Houston, Texas after he sobered up and was sponsored by Clarence Snyder. Larry was offered a job with the Houston Press by its owner as Larry was an excellent reporter before his drinking took over.
in April 1939.
(katiebartlett79 at yahoo.co.uk) Subject: What pamphlets and books were sent out in Fall 1939? Foreword to second edition, page xviii: "[5 months after the 1st ed. of the Big Book was published in April 1939,] in the fall of 1939 [in September] Fulton Oursler, then editor of Liberty, printed a piece in his magazine, called "Alcoholics and God." This brought a rush of 800 frantic inquiries into the little New York office which meanwhile had been established. Each inquiry was painstakingly answered; pamphlets and books were sent out ..... By the end of 1939 it was estimated that 800 alcoholics were on their way to recovery."
knows what literature was sent out when it states that "pamphlets and books were sent out" from the New York AA office during the period running from September to December of 1939.
Katie from Barking Big Book Study ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5622. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First Black Woman In AA? From: jbendzinski . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/1/2009 1:03:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I read on the International Women's Conference website that Bertha C. of Kansas
City, MO was one of the first black women in Alcoholics Anonymous with lasting
sobriety. The first conference was in 1965 and she was on the organizing committee. But I am having a world of trouble getting information about her or any other early African-American women in program. If you discover anything, please share with me! - - - - From the moderator: http://silkworth.net/aagrowth/iaawc_history.html says "Bertha C. informed me how she was the only black woman in AA for a time until Vernetta W. came in to the program."
Does anyone know more about her? Does anyone in Kansas City have any information about when Bertha came into the fellowship? GFC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5623. . . . . . . . . . . . Early Black A.A. From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/6/2009 9:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The black A.A. people in north central Indiana were not the first in A.A. But we
know more about their stories and teachings than any other group of early black
A.A. men and women in the U.S. and Canada. ______________________________ Glenn C., "The Factory Owner & the Convict: Lives and Teachings of the A.A. Old
Timers" http://hindsfoot.org/kfoc1.html In 1948, a man named Bill Hoover and a woman named Jimmy Miller became the first
two black people to join A.A. in north central Indiana. Jimmy owned a highly successful bar in South Bend right across the street from the Studebaker automobile plant. Four chapters of this book are devoted to telling their story,
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