Aa history Lovers 2009 moderators Nancy Olson and Glenn F. Chesnut page
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> (hjfree at fuse.net) asked: > > >I have seen a letter or comment attributed > >to Bill Wilson regarding abusive and vulgar > >lanquage not being appropriate at meetings. > > > >Clues where to look? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5471. . . . . . . . . . . . SoCal GSR Preamble From: Shane . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2009 11:33:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone know the origin of the GSR preamble which is read at monthly District Meetings here in Southern California??? I would appreciate any info you may have. Thanks.
Archivist, Area 05 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5472. . . . . . . . . . . . Other 12 step groups'' use of the 12 steps and 12 traditions From: lester112985 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2009 8:53:00 PM
Narcotics Anonymous there is a statement that reads 12 Steps and 12 Traditions reprinted for adaption by permission of A.A. World Services, Inc.
obtained from AA. Was this a conference action? Where can I find this in print from AA? I have been asked this question more than once, any help would be greatly appreciated.
Lester Gother Archivist Area 44
From: rick tompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/4/2009 9:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello New Archivist Steve, What is "already circulated by AAWS" as the 'Oral History Kit' you will find in the Archives Workbook.
it collected and gathered many of the questions archivists have been utilizing for a very long time.
to many questions, back to a few questions (Workbook 2004) and back to the list available today.
others! If new ideas come to you please share them.
time as he or she'd like. Rick, Illinois IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5474. . . . . . . . . . . . Transcribing oral interviews. From: charley.bill . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2009 2:56:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This is especially for Glenn, and anyone else burdened by lots of interviews to transcribe. I went to the doctor recently and after his exam, he pulled out a microphone and dictated his report into the machine, gave me a copy and one for my primary care doc.. He was using Dragon Naturally Speaking 9.5 and it only made one error! I ran down to Fry's and bought one of the Professional edition Dragons and started reading up on what it can do. I have been back to Fry's to get a small Sony recording device.
interviews, or transfer tapes to hard disk, and print the transcript, to have this Dragon transcribe my entire backlog. It says it can do it. I wonder if any one has any ideas for setting this work up, whether I will need any more equipment, etc. I would appreciate your help and will keep you posted on my progress.
From: Michael F. Margetis . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/4/2009 4:23:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII FLORENCE RANKIN'S GRAVE: In the Spring 2007 issue of "Markings" is an article about the Washington (DC) Intergroup (WAIA) locating Florence Rankin's grave. It's a touching story about finding her burial site in a rundown section of the cemetery (George Washington Cemetery, Adelphi, Maryland) and raising funds, privately, to purchase a headstone. Apparently there was no headstone, just a marker. Bob W. and the WAIA archives committee are doing a fantastic job! ROLLIE HEMSLEY'S GRAVE: Not long ago I learned, from reading old baseball player bios, that Rollie Hemsley of Cleveland Indians catcher 1940 anonymity break fame, was buried at the same cemetery. I live nearby and an AA friend and I visited both gravesites recently. Quite an experience. If anyone is interested in photos I'll be happy to email them.
http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/f-151_markings_spring07.pdf Thanks, Mike Margetis Brunswick, Maryland - - - - From the Markings story: Florence R. was among the first women to get sober in A.A., and the only one to write a story for the first edition of Alcoholics Anonymous. (Her story, “A Feminine Victory,” is now found in Experience Strength and Hope with others from the first three editions of the Big Book.)
part of A.A. history she was deserving of some commemoration, and so decided to locate her grave. We called the cemetery offices and asked if they had a grave site for Florence R. Their search proved negative. We then recalled that the death certificate was for Florence K. (her married name) and called the cemetery again with that name, and that did the trick. They had such a gravesite recorded April 1943. Making arrangements with the cemetery offices, we arrived to continue our search. The caretaker provided a map and a marker and told us that they would give us help with our search. Two cemetery workers arrived with a shovel and a metal detector and off we went —- to an unkempt part of the cemetery where there were no grave stones –- just a lot of weeds, trees, and leaves. After much pacing off of distances, the two workers exclaimed, “Here it is!”
so that the metal marker could be seen. We planted the flag marker and laid down a single flower.
purchasing a gravestone .... at our next Washington Area Intergroup Association Board meeting [the] consensus was that ... it was inappropriate to use A.A. money. [But] when we announced that private funds would be sought, we left the meeting with sufficient pledges to cover the cost of both the stone and its installation. - - - - From Nancy Olson's biographies of the Big Book authors:
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New York City. Original Manuscript, p. 217 in 1st edition
A.A., even for a short time. She came to A.A. in New York in March of 1937. She had several slips, but was sober over a year when she wrote her story for the Big Book.
the only woman. She prayed for inspiration to tell her story in a manner that would give other women courage to seek the help that she had been given.
known on Wall Street. She thought the cause of her drinking would be removed when she and her husband were divorced. But it was her ex-husband who took Lois Wilson to visit her at Bellevue. Bill and Lois got her out of Bellevue and she stayed in their home for a time. After she left their home she stayed with other members of the fellowship.
more than a year, "One Hundred Men" was discarded as the name for the Big Book.
Fitz Mayo ("Our Southern Friend"), who after sobering up in New York started A.A. in Washington, D.C. She married an alcoholic she met there, who unfortunately did not get sober. Eventually Florence started drinking again and disappeared. Fitz Mayo found her in the morgue. She had committed suicide.
Florence helped pave the way for the many women who followed. She was in Washington by the time Marty Mann ("Women Suffer Too"), the next woman to arrive in A.A. in New York, entered the program. Marty only met her once or twice, but her story in the Big Book no doubt encouraged Marty.
++++Message 5476. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Florence R. and Rollie H. From: Karl Kleen . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/9/2009 12:28:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Would some member of the group who knows how to do these things, consider adding Memorials for Florence Rankin and Rollie Hemsley to the FIND A GRAVE website? http://www.findagrave.com/index.html You could include photos of their gravestones in their Memorials. That way we could all make a (virtual) visit to their Memorials and access any photos posted thereon. (Someone else might have other photos that they could add?)
Find A Grave Memorials. Karl K. - - - - From the moderator: for example, Bill Wilson and Lois Wilson, where Doug B. posted some photos.
"Michael F. Margetis" > > FLORENCE RANKIN'S GRAVE: > In the Spring 2007 issue of "Markings" is an > article about the Washington (DC) Intergroup > (WAIA) locating Florence Rankin's grave. > > It's a touching story about finding her burial > site in a rundown section of the cemetery > (George Washington Cemetery, Adelphi, Maryland) > and raising funds, privately, to purchase a > headstone. Apparently there was no headstone, > just a marker. > > Bob W. and the WAIA archives committee are > doing a fantastic job! > > ROLLIE HEMSLEY'S GRAVE: > Not long ago I learned, from reading old > baseball player bios, that Rollie Hemsley of > Cleveland Indians catcher 1940 anonymity break > fame, was buried at the same cemetery. I live > nearby and an AA friend and I visited both > gravesites recently. Quite an experience. If > anyone is interested in photos I'll be happy > to email them. > > Contact me at: > > > Link to the Markings story, pg 4: > http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/f-151_markings_spring07.pdf > > Thanks, > > Mike Margetis > Brunswick, Maryland >
++++Message 5477. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson against the use of vulgar lanquage From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/9/2009 4:43:00 AM
somewhere else that visitors to an AA meeting might be surprised by the salty language that sometimes occurred. Unfortunately, I can't find the reference, having keyed in words like swearing, salty language, curses, bad language, strong language, etc., in the Grapevine digital archive. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
2009
22:45:07 +0000Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Bill Wilson against the use of vulgar lanquage This statement by Bill Wilson can be found on page 3 of "Experience, Strength & Hope," the collection of stories from the first threeeditions of the Big Book:
> is likely to be newcomers, anything from the > point of view of content or style that might > offend or alienate those who are not familiar > with the program should be carefully elim- > inated . . . Profanity, even when mild, > rarely contributes as much as it detracts. > It should be avoided."
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