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is back! I just want to say thank you for all of your support and to those individuals who helped make this possible. For those who helped make this happen, I will be contacting you according to how you entered your contact information. This has been an overwhelming experience for me! Yours in service, Ever grateful, Jim Myers IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5731. . . . . . . . . . . . The silkworth.net site plus links to other AA history sites, please From: mrpetesplace . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/23/2009 2:39:00 PM
and running. Silkworth.net is probably the best of all the history sites.
linked with my search engine, and I am always looking to add more with AA history, even if it is just your local history. So please send me any references to local AA history sites which I can post links to, that is what I need most.
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/26/2009 2:04:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: Baileygc23@aol.com (Baileygc23 at aol.com) Confirmation from Cedric Smith: I have a Robert H. Smith who was a member of our Passumpsic Lodge No. 27 located in St. Johnsbury, Vermont. He joined the Masons Lodge on February 12, 1903 and died on November 16, 1950.
our Franklin Lodge No. 4 located in St. Albans, Vermont. He joined the Masons Lodge on December 4, 1849 and was dropped in 1860. I hope this help in you with your research. Cedric Smith - - - - From the moderator: This first figure must have been Dr. Bob = Robert Holbrook Smith (August 8, 1879 - November 16, 1950), co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. Dr. Bob graduated from Dartmouth College in 1902, and seems to have joined the Masons in the following year. - - - - It is not clear who the other person was. It is the wrong middle initial and completely wrong dates to be AA's Bill Wilson:
1895 - January 24, 1971), co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. Could it have been one of his relatives?
Cedric L. Smith, PGM, Grand Secretary of Masons in Vermont, as the source of the information that Dr. Bob was a Mason: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5725 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5733. . . . . . . . . . . . The forgotten steps From: nuevenueve@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/26/2009 7:17:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Group: Historically speaking, when, where, and why did Steps 6 & 7 come to be called "The Forgotten Steps"?
and 50''s deal with Jim Crow? From: tomvlll . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/28/2009 8:36:00 AM
rigid segregation laws) of that period? Did they have segregated meetings?
Masonic influence? From: kodom2545 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/27/2009 4:58:00 PM
I noticed on one of the Masonic garments of our founding fathers there was the circle and triangle that AA has used. I am well aware that the symbol has been around a very long time before we decided to use it, but I was wondering what previous cultures, groups, or entities used/use it?
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/27/2009 5:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII At 18:17 5/26/2009, Hugo wrote: >Hi Group: > >Historically speaking, when, where, and why >did Steps 6 & 7 come to be called "The Forgotten >Steps"?
The June 1952 Grapevine had an article titled "The Forgotten Steps." However, it focuses on Steps 8 and 9 as opposed to 6 and 7. Prior to the Big Book, the recovery program consisted of 6 Steps passed on to new members by word of mouth. 3 differing versions of the 6 Steps appear in AA literature: "The Language of the Heart" (pg 200) "AA Comes of Age" (pg 160) "Pass It On" (pg 190) and Big Book Pioneer story "He Sold Himself Short" (pg 263 - 4th ed) The variations in wording help illustrate the difficulties that can occur when something is passed on solely by word-of-mouth.
From: tomper87 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/28/2009 11:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Twelve Steps Of Alcoholics Anonymous: Interpreted By The Hazelden Foundation (Paperback) 1993
been written by someone named James Brandon. If you Google for "forgotten steps," there are other references in things written about AA, where the phrase seems to regularly refer to Steps Six and Seven. They tend to be "forgotten," these pieces usually state, because people jump from doing their fourth and fifth steps to doing their eighth and ninths steps too quickly, and then cannot understand why they still feel so much mental turmoil and inner unhappiness. And they tend be "forgotten," it is frequently stated, because people forget to call on God for help -- or are too scared of God to turn to Him for help. So we help people deal with Steps Six and Seven by encouraging them to trust God and not be afraid of God, and recognize that God is here to help us, without scolding or condemnation, if we just ask for His help.
all we do is scold them, and berate them, and accuse them of worshiping light bulbs and door knobs. People aren't stupid. But alcoholics DO feel a whole lot of fear and guilt over the things they have done.) That's in the pieces I looked at, but there may be a lot more written on this topic. Glenn C., Moderator P.S. There is a good discussion of one way of working the sixth and seventh steps, based on Father Ralph Pfau, in
by John Barleycorn http://hindsfoot.org/barright.html
maple and walnut and other fine woods in his workshop in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
40''s and 50''s deal with Jim Crow? From: Al Welch . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/29/2009 2:21:00 PM
For Sharing" as late as August 1967 in places like Pass Christian, Mississippi, the meetings were still segregated. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5739. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How did AA in Southern U.S. in 40''s and 50''s deal with Jim Crow? From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/29/2009 2:47:00 PM
said that while AAs should never exclude anyone who honestly wanted to stop drinking from their meetings, "we are not out to change the world," and so should abide by the customs of the place. And so if the place where meetings were held was segregated, AAs should respect that. I believe that this was about the time in the 1940s that President Truman was desegregating the armed forces, and so before the peak of the mid-1950s movement that led to the Supreme Court's "Brown decision." ernie kurtz - - - - On May 28, 2009, at 8:36 AM, tomvlll wrote: > > > How did AA deal with the Jim Crow laws (the > rigid segregation laws) of that period? Did > they have segregated meetings? > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5740. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Origins of the Circle and Triangle: Masonic influence? From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/29/2009 4:35:00 PM
>I was watching a documentary on the Masons in the founding of our >nation and I noticed on one of the Masonic garments of our founding >fathers there was the circle and triangle that AA has used. >I am well aware that the symbol has been around a very long time >before we decided to use it, but I was wondering what previous >cultures, groups, or entities used/use it? ======================================== I know Centenary-South United Church of Canada in Rock Island, Quebec, has it on its facade and I have always associated it with that denomination. However, their web site has nothing that I could find on it. ======================================== >Also, Who selected it as an AA symbol? ========================================
"Above us, at the International Convention at St. Louis in 1955, floated a banner on which was inscribed the then new symbol for A.A., a circle enclosing a triangle. The circle stands for the whole world of A.A., the triangle stands for A.A.'s Three Legacies: Recovery, Unity, and Service. "It is perhaps no accident that priests and seers of antiquity regarded this symbol as a means of warding off spirits of evil." Tommy H in Baton Rouge IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5741. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Origins of the Circle and Triangle
From: David . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2009 12:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In aikido, a "martial art" strongly influenced by principles of the Oomoto religion, this circle and triangle symbol is used. "These concepts address the distance, contact, connection, blending, balance breaking, lines of attacks and centerlines, timing, and the lingering spirit connection that leaves a lasting impression after the conflict is successfully and peacefully concluded." Advanced Aikido (Dang & Seiser, 2006.) - - - - In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hickcox From As Bill Sees It p. 307, referring to A.A. Comes of Age p . 139: "Above us, at the International Convention at St. Louis in 1955, floated a banner on which was inscribed the then new symbol for A.A., a circle enclosing a triangle .... It is perhaps no accident that priests and seers of antiquity regarded this symbol as a means of warding off spirits of evil."
40''s and 50''s deal with Jim Crow? From: David . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2009 12:35:00 PM
by Glenn C. - - - - Note from the moderator: this was not about "the South" as opposed to "the North." These articles are about the northern U.S. area running from Chicago through Gary to South Bend, and show a pattern of hostility towards black people trying to join AA, as late as 1948 to 1950. Only three or four of the house meetings in South Bend (a totally northern U.S. city) would allow black people to attend AA meetings at all, and they made them sit in the kitchen, instead of in the living room, where the AA meeting was being conducted, and made them drink their coffee out of cups with cracks or chips in them (there are multiple attestations of that latter fact coming from black oldtimers who had come in during that period). They could listen to the white people speak, but were not allowed to speak themselves. Black AA members had to stand at the back of the room at the weekly open speaker meeting, and if they attempted to go up afterwards and shake the speaker's hand, the speaker would turn away and refuse to shake hands with them.
some heroic black people stood their ground, and insisted on obtaining entry into the AA program. And their story culminated in a triumphant endings, as black people like Bill Hoover, Brownie, and Goshen Bill became some of the most important -- and most loved and respected -- AA leaders during the 1970's and 80's in South Bend and the surrounding Indiana area.
were still blocking black people from attending -- most black people, most of the time, in the North as well as in the South -- as late as the 1960's and later, so AA opened its doors to black members twenty years or more before most of the churches in the U.S.) --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "tomvlll" > > How did AA deal with the Jim Crow laws (the > rigid segregation laws) of that period? Did > they have segregated meetings? >
40''s and 50''s deal w... From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2009 3:23:00 AM
from the very beginning, but he had objections from members from the start. Bill kept his ties to African Americans and gradually introduced them to the larger AA community. Some of our people with an accurate memory for dates, can give a date for Jim S. (Jim's Story in the Big Book) sobriety. It seems to be about time of the war years, But AA writing suggests Bill W had worked with alcoholics who happened to be African Americans or who otherwise did not seem to fit the mold of being middle class, white, heterosexual, etc., prior to World War II. Even in DC at that early date Jim's story shows how the local AA's helped him and accepted him and helped him to start a group that I think is still going. There is a question as to Bill W or Dr Bob getting the first African American into an AA group in the early days.
From: Dean at ComPlanners . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/30/2009 4:48:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AAHistoryLoversTom Hickcox, quoting Post #2559 by Arthur S. from July 26, 2005, wrote: " ... Prior to the Big Book, the recovery program consisted of 6 Steps passed on to new members by word of mouth. 3 differing versions of the 6 Steps appear in AA literature: 'The Language of the Heart' (pg 200), 'AA Comes of Age' (pg 160), 'Pass It On' (pg 190), and Big Book Pioneer story 'He Sold Himself Short' (pg 263 - 4th ed). The variations in wording help illustrate the difficulties that can occur when something is passed on solely by word-of-mouth."
http://hindsfoot.org/steps6.html ] Another variation in wording appears on page 12 of "Three talks to Medical Societies by Bill W., co-founder of AA" (P-6, 7/03). There, Bill lists the six "principles" Ebby "applied ... to himself in 1934."
(same pamphlet), Bill reduces the 12 Steps to 5 steps/concepts/principles/whatever (see page 29): "Boiled down, these Steps mean, simply: a. Admission of alcoholism; b. Personality analysis and catharsis; c. Adjustment of personal relations; d. Dependence upon some Higher Power; e. Working with other alcoholics" (Also, the version of the 6 Steps in my "Pass It On" appears on page 197 rather than on page 190.)
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From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/31/2009 3:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII A Catholic priest told me that in Christian iconography the circle and triangle
stand for the unbroken circle of eternity and the Holy Trinity. It appears in the architecture, stained glass and artefacts of churches, cathedrals etc. I first saw it in a window at the Anglican parish church at Nympsfield, Gloucestershire, England, while attending a service during a retreat for AA and Al-Anon members; inspired synchronicity! AA World Services (AAWS) discontinued using the circle and triangle on AA generated material after the US general service conference in 1993. The story is told in the December 1993 issue of the Grapevine, viz: "Adopted at the 20th anniversary international convention in St Louis, the circle and triangle symbol
was registered as an official AA mark in 1955 ... By the mid-1980s, however, it had also begun to be used by outside organisations, such as novelty manufacturers, publishers and occasionally treatment facilities. There was growing concern in the membership of AA about this situation. Some AA members were saying 'we don't want our circle and triangle aligned with non-AA purposes'. In keeping with the Sixth Tradition ... AAWS board began to contact
outside entities that were using the circle and triangle in an unauthorised manner, and to take action to prevent such use of the symbol. AAWS implemented this policy with restraint, and did not resort to legal remedies until all attempts at persuasion and conciliation had been unsuccessful... Denying the use
of the symbol to outside entities raised other problems, however. By early 1990s
it was clear that some AA members very much wanted to be able to obtain medallions with 'our' circle and triangle ... At the 1992 conference there were presentations on why we should or should not produce medallions, and on the responsibility of AAWS to protect our trademarks and copyright ... (Conference asked the trustees to undertake a feasibility study and report back to an ad hoc
committee of delegates). The committee ... presented its report and recommendations (to Conference 1993) and Conference approved two of five recommendations:- 1) that the use of sobriety chips/medallions is a matter of local autonomy ... and 2) it is not appropriate for AAWS or the Grapevine to produce or license the production of chips /medallions ... The chips and trademark questions were dealt with as separately as possible ... Immediately after the conference the general service board accepted AAWS's recommendation to discontinue protecting the circle and triangle symbol as one of AAWs's registered marks and by early June the trustees reached substantial unanimity in support of AAWS's statement that, to avoid the suggestion of association or affiliation with outside goods and services, AAWS Inc would phase out the 'official' or 'legal' use of the circle and triangle ... Like the Serenity Prayer and slogans, which have never had official recognition, the circle and triangle will most likely continue to be used widely for many AA purposes. The difference from earlier practice is that its official use to denote Alcoholics Anonymous materials will be phased out. Laurie A. - - - - CIRCLE AND TRIANGLE LOGOS: Civil Air Patrol: http://www.caphistory.org/museum_exh_1.html Civil Defense: http://museumcollections.in.gov/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=object_ty pe&s\
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