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forming of the first AA group in each of those

places?
Also, Ruth Hock gave Waunakee (near Madison)

as the location of the first Wisconsin AA group,

not Milwaukee (where the group was not begun

until 1 May 1941).


Can anybody clarify that one? Which AA group

was first? And if it was Waunakee, can anyone

give us a more precise date?
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++++Message 5856. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Another of the slogans: Think

think think

From: John Barton . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/9/2009 6:03:00 PM
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THINK, THINK, THINK
This slogan is not found in the BB but was

adopted by AA members from a sign that came

with early IBM calculating machines. The sign

said:
THINK of what you are about to do


THINK of what you are doing
THINK of what you have done
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J. Lobdell wrote:
We have been discussing the early AA slogans,

especially "But for the Grace of God."


But another of the early slogans was also

mentioned:


This one -- "Think think think" -- was perhaps

not biblical. It seems to have been an IBM slogan

put up on a Cleveland AA bulletin board or the

equivalent ca 1944 much to the chagrin of

Clarence S., who observed (approximately)

"Alcoholics don't think -- they emote."


(Mitch K. can probably provide chapter and

verse on this.)


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++++Message 5857. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group - Toronto in

Ontario


From: Bernadette MacLeod . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/10/2009 4:01:00 PM
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The first AA meeting in Ontario, Canada was

held at the Little Denmark Restaurant on

January 13th, 1943. Present were Reverends

George Little and Percy Price, accompanied

by six alcoholics.
From "50 Years The History of AA in Ontario"

first printing June 1993.


YIS,

bernadette m.

king city group

ontario
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From G.C. the moderator, see:
http://www.aatoronto.org/webapp/app/webroot/index.php/pages/committees/archi

ves
"Alcoholics Anonymous quietly arrived in Canada, Toronto, Ontario, to be

exact,

on January 13th, 1943. The first meeting was held without fanfare at the



Little

Denmark Restaurant, located on the west side of Bay Street between Gerrard

and

College Streets. Present were Reverends George Little and Percy Price (see



below), accompanied by six alcoholics. Enough interest was shown in the

initial


meeting that a second meeting was scheduled and held one week later. And so,

Alcoholics Anonymous in Ontario was born."


Harry Emerson Fosdick's very positive review of the newly published Big Book

"stirred an interest in Dr. George A. Little, D.D., then a fifty-six year

old

Minister of the United Church of Toronto. Dr. Little had been a caring man



who

had unsuccessfully attempted to help alcoholics gain sobriety. Fosdick's

review

led him first to make copies of the book, then to order a personal copy of



the

Big Book for himself. Having read the book, he began in earnest

mimeographing

portions of it which he distributed to anyone he felt could further the

cause or

more importantly, to those he felt might be helped themselves. With his good

intentions and tireless effort, people started to want more, and as a

result, he

ordered five copies of the Big Book in June, 1941. As an enthusiastic

supporter

of A.A., Dr. Little continued to be the alcoholics' friend - so much so that

he

enrolled at the Yale University School of Alcoholic Studies from which he



graduated in 1941."
FOR A COPY OF GEORGE LITTLE'S ARTICLE ON GOD

IN A.A., which is well worth reading, see:


See http://www.barefootsworld.net/aagodconcept.html

THE GOD CONCEPT IN ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS

From Religion in Life, Vol. 18(1): 25-33, 1948

By Rev. George A. Little, D.D.


Little's article is a really excellent summary

of what most early A.A.'s believed about God.

It is completely in line with what the Big Book

says, and may be helpful to modern folks in

reading and understanding the Big Book.
The Rev. Little was influenced by and strongly

supportive of the position held by Harry Emerson

Fosdick, who taught at Union Theological Seminary

in New York City along with Reinhold Niebuhr.


Fosdick was famous all across the country

because of a sermon he wrote entitled

"Shall the Fundamentalists Win?"
This is also worth reading, to understand the

position held by most early A.A. people. This

was also the underlying position held by the

people who edited The Upper Room (the chief A.A.

meditational book from 1935 to 1948).
Copies of Fosdick's "Shall the Fundamentalists

Win?" may be found in a number of places online,

including:
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5070/
http://baptiststudiesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/shall-the-fundame

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++++Message 5858. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group Maine, Maryland,

WV, Iowa, Minn., Fla.

From: Lee Nickerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/10/2009 8:14:00 PM
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First AA groups in Maine, Maryland, West Virgina,

Iowa, Minnesota, and Florida


The first continuous meeting in Maine was in 1946. It met in Bangor over a

garage. There is very little information on it but on January 11th, 1947; a

group registered with New York as the Bangor Group. The oldtimers who I have

talked to claimed that it was a new group, not an offspring of the garage

group.

Anyway, the oldest registered Group in Maine is The Portland Group, which



registered with New York on January 7th, 1947 - four days before the Bangor

Group.


Lee N.
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From: Rick Benchoff (rxichard2nd at yahoo.com)
Baltimore, Maryland: what later came to be

called the 857 Group first met on June 16, 1940.


Additional info: Jimmy Burwell was in attendance at

this meeting in addition to four Baltimore area men.


Rick B.

Hagerstown, Maryland

Member of the Hagerstown Group

(founded in September 1946)


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From: Richard H (area73archives at yahoo.com)
Here you go from Area 73, West Virginia.

First AA Group registered with New York was

in Charleston, WV on March 1, 1942.
Best regards,

Richard Humway

Area 73 Archivist
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From: "tomper87" (tomper99 at yahoo.com)
This is the earliest I can find in Iowa.
Iowa Des Moines Oct 1943
Great idea to see how AA spread across the country and Canada.
Tom P.
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First AA group in Minnesota
From Jean F.

(jeanfid at gmail.com)


Patrick Cronin's dry date was November 11,

1940; he was visited by Chan Forman (a former

Minnesotan) and Bill Long from Chicago AA.

The Armistice Day blizzard kept them here in

Minneapolis long enough to help Cronin stay

sober and hear the message.


In April of 1941 Pat got two rooms (which

quickly spread to five rooms) and a telephone

at 200 East Franklin so as to organize a group.
Bill Wilson made his first visit here to

Minneapolis on October 26, 1941. Eventually

the club was moved to the Washburn House at

2218 1st Ave So, now lovingly known as the

Cronin house.
I'm sure there are others who will chime

in here.
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From: Lynn Sawyer

(sawyer7952 at yahoo.com)


Dear fellow HistoryLovers,

Yes, I CERTAINLY DO remember '2218', as it

was also lovingly called!! Went to many a mtg.

there, and had a few meals there, too.


(They sold sm. meals from the kitchen, which

was next to a large mtg. room on the 1st floor.


Thanks for letting me share!
Lynn S.

[Now] Sacramento, CA

alcoholic
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From: Archives Historie

(firsthings1st at yahoo.com)


Florida history: December 1940, Commander

Junius Cotten met at the Jacksonville Naval

Air Station with Thomas Sharpe.
1st meeting in Florida!
Registered with AA on June 30, 1941.
In Jacksonville.
From the Area 14 Archives in North Florida
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++++Message 5860. . . . . . . . . . . . 24 Magazine

From: samuelmfrost . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/11/2009 12:43:00 AM


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While researching, I keep coming across

references to "24 Magazine." Can anyone help

guide me to any links or sites for this?
What was this publication? Is it still in

circulation?


Sam F.
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From G.C. the moderator:
Ernest Kurtz, Not-God, Appendix A, p. 234,

speaks of


<<... the "Survivors Program" promoted by "The

Church of the Way" through its treatment program,

East Ridge, and its literature, 24 Magazine

and the book, The Answer to Addiction.>>


THE BOOK:

"The Answer To Addiction: Why addiction is so

great a problem today and why the only answer is

a spiritual one," by John Burns and three other

recovered alcoholics [pseudonym for Tom Powers],

1st edit. (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1975.


EAST RIDGE:

http://www.alladdictsanonymous.org/ talks about

East Ridge.
24 NEWSLETTER = 24 MAGAZINE

The 24 Newsletter seems to be the form the magazine

is now taking, see

http://www.alladdictsanonymous.org/products.htm


To read current issues of the newsletter/magazine, go to

http://www.24-communications.com/


FOR MORE INFORMATION SEE:

AAHL Message 5082

From Matt D.

(mdingle76 at yahoo.com)

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5082
Just want the group to be aware of an AA

history resource — 24 Newsletter. 24 Newsletter

is a current version of the 24 Magazine. 24

Magazine was probably best known for the

article, "Gresham's Law and Alcoholics

Anonymous." The author of this article is

Tom P. Jr. Tom P. Jr. is the publisher of

24 Newsletter and contributes an article

about AA each month.
To view June's 24 Newsletter:

http://www.24-communications.com/062008/062008.pdf


For an example of little bits of AA history

-- in June's newsletter Tom Jr. gives the

name of the hymn Marty Mann used to describe

her spiritual experience to Dr. Tiebout

which was, "Leaning on the Everlasting Arms."
Next month's main article is about Dr. Tom M.

(AA 1939) -- in which Bill W. called, "One

of the greatest stories to come out of AA"

-- and is an actual transcript of Bill

telling about Dr. Tom M. Dr. Tom got the AA

Big Book in 1939 while a patient at

Lexington Hospital for drug addicts. Tom M.

wrote to AA, got sober, started one of the

first groups to communicate with headquarters

by mail, and more.


To sign up for a free version of this

newsletter email:


alladdictsanonymous@gmail.com

(alladdictsanonymous at gmail.com)


Please specify if you would like this

resource mailed to your home (and in such

case give us your mailing address) or if

just the online version. Either way this

resource is free!
Matt D.
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++++Message 5861. . . . . . . . . . . . First AA groups WORLD: U.K.,

Australia

From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/11/2009 2:38:00 AM
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England: London 1948 (1st UK group),

followed by Manchester in December 1948


Scotland: Glasgow and Edinburgh 1949
Wales: Cardiff 1951
Laurie A.
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From: "John R Reid"

(jre33756 at bigpond.net.au)


Australia :- First Country Outside of Northern

America (USA and Canada) !!!


First Group 1945, first Big Book received in

Australia 1942.


Ron C. can give accurate dates for Australia

and its States.


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++++Message 5862. . . . . . . . . . . . First AA groups: Alberta, Nova

Scotia


From: Jim Lalonde . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/11/2009 5:47:00 PM
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The first meeting of AA in Edmonton Alberta

Canada was held in Edmonton in room 326 of the

Hotel MacDonald, a historic landmark that is

still fully operating as a hotel. There were

5 members present. Minutes of that first

meeting are on Hotel MacDonald letterhead.


Jim L. aka Nugget
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From the moderator: Jim, do you have a date

for Edmonton?


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From: "Norm The Tinman"

(normtinman@yahoo.com)


First meeting in Nova Scotia was in a town

called New Glasgow, on Jan 2,1946 -- started

by a guy by the name of Fred P. who got sober

in New Orleans and when home for Christmas to

visit his folks, started a group that was and

still is called the HOW Group -- Honesty,

Openmindness, Willingness -- there was an

article in the local newspaper on Jan 3, 1946

wishing this meeting well.
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++++Message 5863. . . . . . . . . . . . Timeline of the First 25 A.A. Groups

From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2009 1:59:00 PM


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From: "John Barton"

(jax760 at yahoo.com)


TIMELINE OF THE FIRST 25 A.A. GROUPS

By John B.

Big Book Study Group of South Orange, NJ
1. Ohio: Akron (July 4, 1935)

2. New York City (Fall of 1935)

3. Ohio: Cleveland - Abby G. Group (May 11, 1939)

4. New Jersey: The New Jersey Group (May 14, 1939)

5. Connecticut: Greenwich Blythewood Sanitarium (June 16, 1939)

6. Illinois: Chicago (September 13, 1939)

7. Ohio: Cleveland Borton Group (November 16, 1939)

8. Ohio: Cleveland Orchard Grove (November 20, 1939)

9. Washington, D.C. (December 1939)

10. California: San Francisco (December 1939)

11. California: Los Angeles (December 19, 1939)

12. New York: Orangeberg - Rockland State Hospital (December 1939)

13. Michigan: Detroit (December 1939)

14. Pennsylvania: Philadelphia (February 13, 1940)

15. Texas: Houston (March 15, 1940)

16. Arkansas: Little Rock (April 19, 1940)

17. Indiana: Evansville (April 23, 1940)

18. Ohio: Cleveland West 50th Street Group (May 8, 1940)

19. New Jersey: Camden (May 14, 1940)

20. Virginia: Richmond (June 6, 1940)

21. Maryland: Baltimore (June 16, 1940)

22. Ohio: Dayton (July 8, 1940)

23. Michigan: Coldwater (Summer 1940)

24. Ohio: Cleveland Berea (August 27, 1940)

25. Ohio: Cleveland Westlake (September 20, 1940)
History Documents:

January 1939 AABB The Original Manuscript

April 10, 1939 AABB 1st Edition

June 1953, 12 & 12 - AAWS

1955 AABB 2nd Edition

1957 AACOA AAWS

1980 DBGO AAWS

1984 PIO AAWS

1999 HIW Mitchell K.

GSO Archives


Notes related to the formation of the groups.
A.A. Group # 1 Akron, Ohio
"The spark that was to flare into the first A.A. group was struck at Akron,

Ohio


in June 1935, during a talk between a New York stockbroker and an Akron

physician."

(AABB 2nd Edition, p.xv)
Hence the two men set to work almost frantically upon alcoholics arriving in

the


ward of the Akron City Hospital. Their very first case, a desperate one,

recovered immediately and became A.A. number three." (AABB 2nd Edition,

p.xvii)
This refers to Bill's and Dr. Bob's first visit to A.A. Number Three. See

the


Pioneer Section. This resulted in A.A.'s first group, at Akron, Ohio, in

1935.


(AABB 2nd Edition p.156)
"Before our visit was over, Bill suddenly turned to his wife and said, "Go

fetch


my clothes, dear. We're going to get up and get out of here." Bill D. walked

out


of that hospital a free man never to drink again. A.A.'s Number One Group

dates


from that very day." - Bill W.

(AAB 2nd Edition p.189)


"He came out of the hospital on the Fourth of July, 1935." (DBGO p.85)

Author’s Comments: If you read the Original Manuscript of the Book

Alcoholics

Anonymous, it becomes abundantly clear in Chapter 11, "A Vision for You"

that

the "Fellowship" of Alcoholics Anonymous was alive and growing in January of



1939.

"Then, in this eastern city there are informal meetings such as we have

described to you, where you may see thirty or forty, there are the same fast

friendships, there is the same helpfulness to one another as you find among

our

western friends. There is a good bit of travel between East and West and we



foresee a great increase in this helpful interchange.

Some day we hope that every alcoholic who journeys will find a Fellowship of

Alcoholics Anonymous at his destination. To some extent this is already

true."


(BBOM p.130)
The first 100, obviously considered themselves part of the A.A. fellowship

whether or not they were specifically calling their "informal meetings"

A.A.,

OG, Drunk Squadrons, etc. We think any debates whether the eastern and



western

cities mentioned are or are not the first "A.A." groups are pointless. Bill

Wilson and Bob Smith obviously considered their respective groups to be

#’s 1 &


2 and that should set the standard by which we apply our analysis.
The anniversary date for Akron Group # 1 seems questionable. Bill however,

tagged it as the day that Bill Dotson was discharged from the hospital. DBGO

says this was July 4, 1935. Akron Intergroup advises that they go by the

July


4th date.
A.A. Group # 2 Brooklyn, New York
A second small group promptly took shape at New York ... (AABB 2nd Edition,

p.xvii)
In the fall of 1935, Bill and Lois began to hold weekly meetings in their

home

on Clinton Street. (PIO p.162)


"…At this juncture, the meeting -- the first meeting of the Manhattan

Group,


which really took place in Brooklyn -- stopped, and it stopped for a very

good


reason. That was that the landlord set Lois and me out into the street, and

we

didn't even have money to move our stuff into storage. Even that and the



moving

van -- that was done on the cuff. Well, it was then the spring of 1939.

Temporarily, the Manhattan Group moved to Jersey. It hadn't got to Manhattan

yet...
...Meanwhile, the Manhattan Group moved to Manhattan for the first time. The

folks over here started a meeting in Bert T.'s tailor shop. Good old Bert is

the


guy who hocked his then-failing business to save the book Alcoholics

Anonymous

in 1939. In the fall, he still had the shop, and we began to hold meetings

there. Little by little, things began to grow. We went from there to a room

in

Steinway Hall, and we felt we were in very classic and good company that



gave us

an aura of respectability. Finally, some of the boys -- notably Bert and

Horace

-- said, "A.A. should have a home. We really ought to have a club." And so



the

old 24th Street Club, which had belonged to the artists and illustrators and

before that was a barn going back to Revolutionary times, was taken over. I

think Bert and Horace signed the first lease."("The Road from the Table on

Clinton Street": Bill Wilson's Talk to the Manhattan Group, NYC, 1955)
Author’s Comments: This group was actually what this writer terms "The

Bill &


Lois Wilson Road Show." After being evicted from 182 Clinton Street the New

York


contingent met everywhere and anywhere over the next several months.

Including

Montclair, NJ, South Orange, NJ, Green Pond in NJ, Flatbush in Brooklyn,

Bert


Taylor’s Shop, Bert Taylor’s Loft, an apartment on West 72nd Street,

Blythewood,

Steinway Hall, Rockland State Hospital, and finally the 24th Street

Clubhouse.

(See PIO p.216-217) Based on Lois’s comments, Pass It On describes these

as "At


least a dozen A.A. groups had evolved in the New York Metropolitan area..."

Unfortunately, this passage is misleading. We can see that this was actually

a

dozen different meeting locations for the same group of 30 – 40



alcoholics. This

is clarified in Bill’s talk to the Manhattan Group in 1955. The previous

paragraph in Pass It On explains it better when it says: "When they lived at

Clinton Street, A.A. meetings had been held there. A.A. followed Bill and

Lois

wherever they went."


The New Jersey "contingent" split off from the New York Group and remained

in

New Jersey when the Montclair meeting ended in mid June of 39. The NY



contingent

crossed the river back to Manhattan and the Jerseyites began meeting in

South

Orange at the home of Herb Debevoise continuing what had been started in



Montclair.
A.A. Group # 3 Cleveland, Ohio
On May 11, 1939, one month after the book had been published, a meeting was

held. It was a meeting of "Alcoholics Anonymous." It was a meeting held by,

and

for alcoholics and their families only. Historian, Mary C. Darrah, wrote:


"In the years 1935-1939, the Oxford meetings provided a group experience for

the early alcoholics. A.A. did not meet as a separate group officially named

Alcoholics Anonymous until May 1939 at the home of Abby G. in Cleveland."

(HIW p.141)


A.A. Group # 4 The New Jersey Group
Lois’s diary entry for May 14, 1939 indicates they went to the meeting at

the


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