Aa history Lovers 2009 moderators Nancy Olson and Glenn F. Chesnut page
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Finally, good luck to you Jim and thank you for all your hard work. I've used your site's resources and they've enriched my recovery. I would have been poorer off had this site not existed.
(mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com) As far as I know Dr. Silkworth was never a member of AA and therefore, the anonymity thing doesn't apply to the use of his name. The most wonderful thing about losing my memory is that now I will always be able to discover new places, meet new people and make new friends... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5921. . . . . . . . . . . . Spanish AA materials and History of the Podium From: juan.aa98 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/10/2009 3:02:00 PM
from the 1940's, 50's, and 60's. The very first Spanish AA material came out of Mexico in 1947 translated by an Al-Anon, the Akron panphlet titled A.A.
Podium, widely used in AA meetings in Spanish in all of Latin America and Spanish-language meetings in the US. Where did that practice come from? Any information on either of the above will be appreciated. Juan R. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5922. . . . . . . . . . . . List of 12 step and other recovery programs
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/15/2009 3:15:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII A list of all the known 12 step programs and other similar sorts of recovery programs (alcoholism, narcotics, gambling, and so on).
where this list was located, and it occurred to me that there would be other members of the AAHL who might like to look at it too. It is on a website called Faces and Voices of Recovery: GO FROM THEIR HOME PAGE http://www.facesandvoicesofrecovery.org/ TO THEIR "RECOVERY RESOURCES" PAGE http://www.facesandvoicesofrecovery.org/resources/ AND THEN CLICK ON "MUTUAL SUPPORT" http://www.facesandvoicesofrecovery.org/resources/support_home.php Lora Passetti, a Chestnut Health System research manager who has studied recovery support groups for young people, works with Bill White to manage this Guide, with advice and assistance from Michael Boyle, Linda Kurtz and Keith Humphreys.
From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/13/2009 3:52:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I've just finished reading "The Social World of Alcoholics Anonymous" by Annette Smith (Hindsfoot, 2007)
illustrates for the first time how that conversion (to AA) is brought about through social integration processes, and demonstrates that success depends on social world integration." At the risk of again being accused of "revisionist speculation", historically this insight was recognised originally by Carl Jung and Bill W. In the Jung/Wilson correspondence Jung wrote, "The only right and legitimate way to such an experience (like Rowland H's) is, that it happens to you in reality and it can only happen to you when you walk on a path which leads to higher understanding. You might be led to that goal by an act of grace or though a personal and honest contact with friends, or through a higher education of the mind beyond the confines of mere rationalism. I see from your letter that Rowland H. has chosen the second way, which was, under the circumstances, obviously the best one." The "second way" is "a personal and honest contact with friends", i.e. a social process.
Bill W. wrote: "The moment Twelfth-Step work forms a group, a discovery is made - that most individuals cannot recover unless there is a group. Realisation dawns on each member that he is but a small part of a great whole; that no personal sacrifice is too great for preservation of the Fellowship. He learns that the clamour of desires and ambitions within him must be silenced whenever these could damage the group. It becomes plain that the group must survive of the individual will not."
from "stranger" or "tourist" in AA to "insider" - helping to create the social world of recovery for those still to come. Laurie A. - - - - From the moderator: Laurie, This was an amazing coincidence (or whatever), because Annette Smith was just here in South Bend on Thursday and Friday, coming up from Naples, Florida, while Ernie Kurtz and Linda Farris Kurtz drove down from Ann Arbor, Michigan, and we all had dinner together and talked about the AA program and Annette's book and Ernie's next book that he is planning. One of the things that makes Annette's book so valuable, is that she interviews dozens of AA members and uses their words to explain how -- in particular -- shy and timid people, who are frightened and uncomfortable in groups, can learn how to work their way into the AA fellowship gradually, a little bit at a time, in non-threatening ways. The person who quietly shows up in advance to make the coffee, for example, can end up feeling just as much a member as those who are highly social "hale fellow well met" types. Glenn Chesnut (South Bend, Indiana) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5924. . . . . . . . . . . . Annette Smith, The Social World of Alcoholics Anonymous From: bob gordon . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/15/2009 3:57:00 PM
publications and a friend of Bill and Bob. I am interested in reviewing The Social World of Alcoholics Anonymous by Annette Smith. My most recent review along these lines is of Spiritual Evolution by George E Vaillant. Any idea how I could contact Annette Smith or could you forward this e-mail to her? -- Peace, love and understanding Bob GORDON bob34g@gmail.com (bob34g at gmail.com)
(jennylaurie1 at hotmail.com) I've just finished reading "The Social World of Alcoholics Anonymous" by Annette Smith (Hindsfoot, 2007)
illustrates for the first time how that conversion (to AA) is brought about through social integration processes, and demonstrates that success depends on social world integration." At the risk of again being accused of "revisionist speculation", historically this insight was recognised originally by Carl Jung and Bill W. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5925. . . . . . . . . . . . Hearts and lives? Noun or verb? From: pauguspass . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/16/2009 12:39:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In the Big Book in Chapter 2 "There is a Solution" on page 25 in The Great Fact paragraph it says, "... our Creator has entered into our hearts and lives in a way that is indeed miraculous."
that's "lives" as a verb or "lives" as a noun? For 19 years, I've heard it as a noun. That seems like it may have been the intent. However as a verb, it's really quite nice.
the Gate pamphlet From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/16/2009 9:06:00 PM
Ham B. came from Los Angeles, and his first pigeon was Frank C., a tailor. From a pamphlet called "Mark on the Gate." This pamphlet says that the Phoenix meeting started two weeks later in 1943. Does anybody from California have additional information about Ham B.? Does anybody have information about this pamphlet called "Mark on the Gate"? - - - - The title is a reference to the marks which hobos put on gates, telling other hobos about the place: a kind woman lives here, work is available here, talk religion and they'll give you food, mean dog, homeowner has a gun, fresh water and a campsite, etc., see: http://www.worldpath.net/~minstrel/hobosign.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo - - - - From GC the moderator: Bob Pearson's unpublished A.A. World History 1985 however dates the beginnings of AA in Arizona to the previous year, that is, to 1942. Bob was a good and careful worker, and of course was extremely reliable about the history of the New York GSO and the national AA organization. But for state AA history, he had to rely on people from that state who were known to the New York office, and some of these people were more accurate than others.
to give both accounts, the one in the "Mark on the Gate" pamphlet, and the one which Bob P. put together. ARIZONA: PHOENIX AND TUCSON 1942 "Frank C., in Phoenix, read the Saturday Evening Post article and wrote A.A. in New York for help. They answered that there were no groups nearby, but 'a traveler will contact you.' And an A.A. member from the East, Dave S., did so.
Some months later, a permanent transplant, Percy A., arrived, and he and Frank
C. began the first Phoenix meeting in late 1942. A lawyer and a railroader were
the next two recruits, followed by more, and with seven members in '44, the group began meeting at the Phoenix Women's Club instead of in homes." "A.A. reached Tucson also in 1942, but in quite a different way. Ham B., a stocky, pleasant man of about 35, who had joined A.A. in his hometown of. Van Nuys, California, found himself stationed in Tucson with his wife, Marian. Although he had brought a copy of the Big Book with him, he was uneasy about leaving his home group and began seeking another alcoholic. He contacted the air base, the police, the psycho ward at the hospital, and finally the city jail. There, the desk sergeant pointed to a prisoner, Frank C., saying, 'he's a great guy, but you can't keep him sober.' A few days later, Ham saw Frank C. again in the Copper Kettle Coffee Shop, and invited him to join him for a cup of coffee. Frank was a tailor with a shop on 3rd Street and his wife had finally left him. He was ready to hear the A.A. message over that cup of coffee, and he never had another drink! In February 1943, Ham and Frank had the first registered A.A. meeting in Tucson." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5927. . . . . . . . . . . . St. Francis Prayer: put a note in the 12 and 12 about authorship? From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/15/2009 1:24:00 PM
St. Francis, but the Franciscans say that the prayer came from a much later date.
they put a note in the 12&12, correcting the impression?
not know till Mel pointed it out to me in an email.
the version from the French: "Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted --to understand, than to be understood --to love, than to be loved. For it is by self-forgetting that one finds. It is by forgiving that one is forgiven. It is by dying that one awakens to Eternal Life."
prayer was in 1912 AD when it was published in the French magazine La Clochette.
the Peace Prayer of St. Francis Belle prière à faire pendant la Messe Seigneur, faites de moi un instrument de votre paix. Là où il y a de la haine, que je mette l'amour. Là où il y a l'offense, que je mette le pardon. Là où il y a la discorde, que je mette l'union. Là où il y a l'erreur, que je mette la vérité. Là où il y a le doute, que je mette la foi. Là où il y a le désespoir, que je mette l'espérance. Là où il y a les ténèbres, que je mette votre lumière. Là où il y a la tristesse, que je mette la joie.
à être consolé qu'à consoler, à être compris qu'à comprendre, à être aimé qu'à aimer, car c'est en donnant qu'on reçoit, c'est en s'oubliant qu'on trouve, c'est en pardonnant qu'on est pardonné, c'est en mourant qu'on ressuscite à l'éternelle vie. Source: La Clochette, n 12, déc. 1912, p. 285. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5928. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group - updated list August 16, 2009 From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/16/2009 9:44:00 PM
check and see if there is an entry for your state, province, or country? Thanks!
Alabama
Alaska ***Arizona: Tucson, Feb. 22, 1943 ***Arkansas: Little Rock April 19, 1940 ......(Bob Pearson's AA history gives late May 1940) ***California: San Francisco November 21, 1939 Colorado
***Connecticut: Greenwich June 16, 1939 Delaware
***Florida: Jacksonville December 1940 ......(reg. with New York June 30, 1941) Georgia ***Hawaii: Honolulu December 14, 1943 Idaho ***Illinois: Chicago (Evanston) September 21, 1939 ***Indiana: Evansville April 23, 1940 ***Iowa: Des Moines Oct 1943 Kansas Kentucky
Louisiana ***Maine (disputed): Bangor claims to have ......started a meeting in 1946 (and a group with ......that name reg. with New York January 11, 1947) ......VS. Portland (reg. with NY January 7, 1947) ***Maryland: Baltimore June 16, 1940 Massachusetts ***Michigan: Detroit December 1939 ***Minnesota: Minneapolis April 1941 Mississippi ***Missouri: St. Louis October 30, 1940 Montana
Nebraska Nevada
New Hampshire ***New Jersey: South Orange May 14, 1939 New Mexico ***New York: New York City fall of 1935 North Carolina North Dakota ***Ohio: Akron, Dr. Bob's last drink on ......June 17, 1935; founding celebrated in Akron ......as July 4, 1935 (Bill Dotson discharged ......from Akron City Hospital) Oklahoma Oregon
***Pennsylvania: Philadelphia, 1st organizational ......meeting February 28, 1940 (Jimmy Burwell had ......arrived in Philly on February 13; he formed the ......Philadelphia Mother Group on March 6, 1940 Rhode Island ***South Carolina: Spartanburg September 15, 1944 ......(or Columbia in late November 1944) South Dakota Tennessee ***Texas: Houston February 1940; 1st meeting ......March 15, 1940 at the Houston YMCA ***Utah: Salt Lake City December 19, 1944 ***Vermont: Montpelier October of 1944 ***Virginia: Richmond 1941 (their first group ......started on June 6, 1940, but was based on the ......"drinking only beer" idea and soon fell apart) ***Washington State: Seattle April 19, 1941 ***West Virginia: Charleston March 1, 1942. ***Wisconsin: Waunakee (along with Madison) ......had 20 members as of October 1, 1940 ......(Milwaukee's group began on May 1, 1941) Wyoming
......to page 31 of their intergroup history)
***Alberta: Edmonton June 18, 1945 British Columbia Manitoba
New Brunswick Newfoundland and Labrador ***Nova Scotia: New Glasgow January 2, 1946 ***Ontario: Toronto January 13, 1943 ......(the first A.A. group in Canada) Prince Edward Island ***Quebec: Montreal January 1945 Saskatchewan WORLD: ***Australia: 1945, 1st outside Northern America !!! ......(1st Big Book received in Australia 1942) ***Ireland: Dublin November 18, 1946, 1st in Europe!!! ***UK (United Kingdom): ......England: London, the March 31, 1947 meeting ......at the Dorchester Hotel was the 1st UK group ......followed by Manchester with nearby Bolton ......in November 1948 ......Scotland: Perth, Edinburgh and Glasgow 1949 ......Wales: Cardiff April 13, 1951 ***Denmark: 1st registered group January 1955 ......("Ring I Ring -- Dansk AA" already existed, ......and had been in contact with the New York GSO, ......but rejected the spiritual aspect of the program)
in the 12 and 12 about authorship? From: victoria callaway . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/16/2009 9:48:00 PM
prayer was but I grew up Catholic and recognized it as the St. Francis Prayer. But I would like to know where and in what literature did Bill say the prayer came from St. Francis?
vicki
From GC the moderator: In the 12 and 12, in the chapter on Step Eleven, it says: "First let's look at a really good prayer. We won't have far to seek; the great men and women of all religions have left us a wonderful supply. Here let us consider one that is a classic."
years now has been rated as a saint. We won't be biased or scared off by that fact, because although he was not an alcoholic he did, like us, go through the emotional wringer. And as he came out the other side of that painful experience, this prayer was his expression of what he could then see, feel, and wish to become:"
where there is hatred, I may bring love--that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness ....'" etc., etc. - - - - Original message from: Baileygc23@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 Bill W said the St Francis prayer came from St. Francis, but the Franciscans say that the prayer came from a much later date.
they put a note in the 12&12, correcting the impression?
not know till Mel pointed it out to me in an email.
the version from the French: "Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted --to understand, than to be understood --to love, than to be loved. For it is by self-forgetting that one finds. It is by forgiving that one is forgiven. It is by dying that one awakens to Eternal Life."
prayer was in 1912 AD when it was published in the French magazine La Clochette.
the Peace Prayer of St. Francis Belle prière à faire pendant la Messe Seigneur, faites de moi un instrument de votre paix. Là où il y a de la haine, que je mette l'amour. Là où il y a l'offense, que je mette le pardon. Là où il y a la discorde, que je mette l'union. Là où il y a l'erreur, que je mette la vérité. Là où il y a le doute, que je mette la foi. Là où il y a le désespoir, que je mette l'espérance. Là où il y a les ténèbres, que je mette votre lumière. Là où il y a la tristesse, que je mette la joie.
à être consolé qu'à consoler, à être compris qu'à comprendre, à être aimé qu'à aimer, car c'est en donnant qu'on reçoit, c'est en s'oubliant qu'on trouve, c'est en pardonnant qu'on est pardonné, c'est en mourant qu'on ressuscite à l'éternelle vie. Source: La Clochette, n 12, déc. 1912, p. 285. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5930. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: St. Francis Prayer: put a note in the 12 and 12 about authorship? From: Glenn F. Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/17/2009 2:36:00 PM
#5927, as I understand it, is that one clause of the original French version has been left out of the English version in the 12 + 12. Here is the original French text of the St. Francis Prayer as given in http://wahiduddin.net/saint_francis_of_assisi.htm http://www.franciscan-archive.org/franciscana/peace.html compared with the English translation in the 12 + 12 on page 99. Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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