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know more than I do. I stand corrected many times on AAHL(It keeps me very humble) so please let me know if I am wrong here. It's very late at night. This is my first chance to express my thoughts on this subject and I don't want to miss out on all the fun. God bless you all, Shakey Mike
Gathering: August 8, 2009 From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 12:20:00 PM
(welch at a-1associates.com) I have been attending this for the last few years and I find that if you have interest in AA history, it is a day well spent.
always recognized historians. Multi-district History and Archives Gathering Saturday, August 8, 2009 Host: Lebanon District 65 of Eastern Pennsylvania Area 59 8:00 - 9:00 a.m. Registration free (donuts and coffee) OPENING REMARKS SPEAKERS AND PANELS 9:10 a.m. - 11:50 a.m. LUNCH BREAK (FREE LUNCH) SPEAKERS AND PANELS 12:50 p.m. - 4:50 p.m. CONCLUDING REMARKS 4:50 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Speaker and events include: Jack B of North Jersey, who's working on early NY/NJ AAs including the signatories to the First BB Sold (the Ginny MacL copy at GSO).
writers/editors who assisted Bill on the 2nd Edition and the 12&12 and AACOA.
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/29/2009 5:32:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII On the beginnings of AA in Scotland: For what it's worth, Philip D attended the great OG meeting in Massachusetts in June 1936 where Shep C. was present (along with Helen Wills Moody and Mrs Henry Ford) -- I don't know if he remained in touch with Shep after Shep's second divorce (his second wife was an OG member, as was the minister who married them)
but it would be interesting to find out -- letters in the H. Alexander Smith Collection at Princeton might provide some kind of answer. In any case, Philip D had an AA Connection long before 1948 (tho' he may not have known it). - - - - > From: johncpine@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 > > From the UK A.A. site > http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/geninfo/13history.htm > > Meanwhile in Scotland the Oxford Groups had an instrumental role in AA > beginnings as they had in America. The wife of Philip D, an active > alcoholic, attended an Oxford Group in Scotland and heard about the Groups' > role in the start of AA. Philip visited America in 1948 and attended > meetings before returning to Scotland and carrying the message. Forbes C got
> involved and meetings began in Perth, Edinburgh and Glasgow in 1949. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5905. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The A.A. Group From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 1:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The six point definition of a group was replaced in 1991 and then again in 1992 with the following Conference-approved definition (see the service Manual and The AA Group pamphlet).
replaced by the long form of Tradition Three and a section of Warranty Six, Concept XII (listed below):
may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought AA membership ever depend upon money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an AA group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation."
AA Traditions accord to the individual member and to his group: no penalties to be inflicted for nonconformity to AA principles; no fees or dues to be levied-voluntary contributions only; no member to be expelled from AA - membership always to be the choice of the individual; each AA group to conduct its internal affairs as it wishes - it being merely requested to abstain from acts that might injure AA as a whole; and finally that any group of alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an AA group provided that, as a group, they have no other purpose or affiliation."
Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lash Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:21 AM To: barefootbill@optonline.net Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The A.A. Group
this pamphlet prior to 1991). Thanks. Just Love, Barefoot Bill The 6-Point Definition of an AA Group from the 2/1990 version of the pamphlet "The A.A. Group": 1. All members of a group are alcoholics and all alcoholics are eligible for membership. 2. As a group they are fully self-supporting. 3. A group's primary purpose is to help alcoholics recover through the Twelve Steps. 4. As a group they have no outside affiliation. 5. As a group they have no opinion on outside issues. 6. As a group, their public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion, and they maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, TV, and film. These were taken out of the pamphlet in 1991. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5906. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: No groups before GSO ?? From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 6:15:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Response to Shakey Mike: Shakey, The Intergroup/Central Office structure did not precede what is today called the General Service Office (GSO). Chronology: On August 5, 1938 the Alcoholic Foundation was created as a charitable trust. It conducted business at the office of NY member Hank P (Parkhurst) at his company Honors Dealers in Newark, NJ.
Newark, NJ to 30 Vesey St in NYC. In May 1940, Works Publishing Inc was legally incorporated as a publishing arm of the Alcoholic Foundation. After publication of the Jack Alexander article of March 1941 the NY Office asked the groups and members for donations of $1 ($14 today) per member per year for support for extra staff to answer the thousands of appeals for help. This began the practice of financing what is today called the "General Service Office" from group and member donations.
"Central Office" or "General Office." In August 1941 Clarence S (Snyder) founder of AA in Cleveland and Cleveland pioneer Abby G (Goldrick) helped start AA's first Central Office. The office also published AA's first newsletter, the "Cleveland Central Bulletin" in October 1942. In June, 1944 Volume 1, No. 1 of the Grapevine was published. The New York City Central Office (they call it "Inter-Group") was founded in 1946.
publishing arm of the Alcoholic Foundation.
renaming the "Alcoholic Foundation" to the "General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous."
Publishing" to "Alcoholics Anonymous Publishing." The 1954 Conference approved renaming the "Alcoholic Foundation" to the "General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous." The 1958 Conference recommended that the name "General Service Headquarters" be changed to "General Service Office." The 1959 Conference approved renaming "Alcoholics Anonymous Publishing" to "Alcoholics Anonymous World Services" (AAWS). Cheers Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shakey1aa@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:50 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Cc: Shakey1aa@aol.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] No groups before GSO ?? A question arises; Were none of the original groups actually groups? All the discussion about a group only being a group if it registered with General Services in New York is preposterous .There was no registration of groups
(with group service number) when these original groups were formed. When did this fallacy that a group is only a group if it registers with GSO and is assigned a group number. There is AA outside of GSO. Most of the original groups formed in larger metropolitan centers and became Intergroups. The Intergroup /Central Office Service Structure came before General Service and is not included in the GSO Service Structure. That's the way they wanted
it. A group can be formed and not register with GSO if it chooses to do so. All groups are autonomous. Look at the early Service Bulletins that Bill sent out. There were reports of AA in ABC and XYZ cities and no group registration numbers. The early Grapevines mentioned the additional groups being formed. Ruth Hock would get a letter from the group secretary in the "early days"saying that the
group had started, how many members were in the group and where to send a book or two(prepaid) to the group secretary's address. In Phila the secretary position was rotated I think every 3 months. Phila also was the first
mother group to support NY financially. Wasn't it the Alcoholic Foundation then? Maybe someone can tell us when the first group service number was assigned and how long after it was proposed did it come to be? I'm trying to maintain the same enthusiasm for AA that I had when I first came in, and as always willing to learn and be taught by those that know more than I do. I stand corrected many times on AAHL(It keeps me very humble) so please let me know if I am wrong here. It's very late at night. This is my first chance to express my thoughts on this subject and I don't want to miss out on all the fun. God bless you all, Shakey Mike ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5907. . . . . . . . . . . . Markings From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 5:40:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Markings -- the AA Archival Newsletter -- is now only available online. This was done to cut costs.
pertains to AA History. The Jack Alexander pamphlet is a good example.
(non-restricted) materials in GSO archives available online, with Trustee approval, for legitimate archival use. I wouldn't want to see it all over the internet. That would sure be useful to a lot of us. One way to accomplish this is to contact your delegate and demand that OUR archives should be available to us online. This is possible now. We are in the 21st Century.
summer in Calif... See You There, Shakey Mike Gwirtz Phila, Pa USA
From: Lee Nickerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 5:19:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Lee Nickerson, Kimball Rowe, and Kevin Short - - - - From: "Lee Nickerson" (snowlilly12 at yahoo.com) This "real" group thing is just an exercise in statistics, fantasy and wishful
thinking. When I was printing the Maine State meeting book we had over 700 meetings on the list. Granted, a small portion of them were "Mother" groups that held multiple meetings but there were well over 650 different groups in the state. GSO listed Maine at that time as having slightly over 400 groups. So according to the real group formula, nearly 40% of the groups didn't exist. - - - - From: "Kimball ROWE" (roweke at msn.com) June 10, 1935 Dr Bob's first day of permanent sobriety and the birth of our Society (Big Book) June 26, 1935 Bill D sober's up resulting in A.A.'s first group Nov 1, 1944 First Meeting of two alcoholics in Salt Lake City Utah (Delbert P and Owen L) Dec 3, 1944 The Salt Lake Tribune publishes an article announcing AA coming to Utah and a short interview with Owen L. The article listed both the Salt Lake and Ogden PO Box numbers. It drew enough inquiries to cause a group to form. Dec 19, 1994 First active AA group formed in Utah (more than 2 members). The meeting took place in Salt Lake City. Owen L was elected Secretary. AA used June 26, 1935 (three or more) Utah uses Dec 19, 1944 (three or more) So, regardless what the tradition says, it appears that Webster was correct, 2 is a pair and 3 or more is a group [having a unifying relationship and able to sustain a structure]. This is the same standard that Alcholholics Anonymous used in announcing it's first group (Bill Bob Bill).
basic group, the registered group and the home group (these are not synonymous). But they all have one thing in common As far as I can tell, all groups are service providers, providing an avenue toward sobriety, whether it be a time and
a place to meet, or a date and time to access a hospital or institution, etc.
In anycase, the group provides a service where a meeting is what happens between
"Hi, my name is" and "Amen." Basic Group - has no effective voice in AA, has no GSR but host meetings or other activites related to sobiety. Regeristed Group - has an effective voice in AA through the GSR voting at district and area functions. Home Group - A Regeristerd Group with Group Membership (all home groups, by definition, are regisered and have a GSR, page S24 "the home group is where they [AA members] participate in busines meetings and cast their vote as part of the group conscience of the Fellowship as a whole) Each AA member may belong to many groups, but have only one home group (one member one vote concept).
(kshort at oxmicro.com) I believe groups are "listed" (not registered) by GSO. It is a service GSO provides -- by no means a requirement.
Kevin
Original message from Shakey Mike: > A question arises; Were none of the original groups actually groups? All > the discussion about a group only being a group if it registered with > General Services in New York is preposterous .There was no registration of groups
> (with group service number) when these original groups were formed. When > did this fallacy that a group is only a group if it registers with GSO and > is assigned a group number. There is AA outside of GSO. Most of the > original groups formed in larger metropolitan centers and became Intergroups. The
> Intergroup /Central Office Service Structure came before General Service > and is not included in the GSO Service Structure. That's the way they wanted > it. A group can be formed and not register with GSO if it chooses to do so. > All groups are autonomous. > Look at the early Service Bulletins that Bill sent out. There were > reports of AA in ABC and XYZ cities and no group registration numbers. The > early Grapevines mentioned the additional groups being formed. Ruth Hock > would get a letter from the group secretary in the "early days"saying that the > group had started, how many members were in the group and where to send a > book or two(prepaid) to the group secretary's address. In Phila the > secretary position was rotated I think every 3 months. Phila also was the first > mother group to support NY financially. > Wasn't it the Alcoholic Foundation then? > Maybe someone can tell us when the first group service number was > assigned and how long after it was proposed did it come to be? > I'm trying to maintain the same enthusiasm for AA that I had when I > first came in, and as always willing to learn and be taught by those that > know more than I do. I stand corrected many times on AAHL(It keeps me very > humble) so please let me know if I am wrong here. It's very late at night. > This is my first chance to express my thoughts on this subject and I don't > want to miss out on all the fun. > God bless you all, > Shakey Mike >
++++Message 5909. . . . . . . . . . . . The new Indianapolis Photo History Booklet is now online From: Robert Stonebraker . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/3/2009 1:20:00 PM
Photo History Booklet on a website: Confidential -- for AA members only http://www.aamuncie.org/files/Indianapolis_AA_History_July_2009.pdf Public version - last names have been deleted http://www.aamuncie.org/files/Indianapolis_AA_History_July_2009_Public.pdf In service, Bob Stonebraker Archives, District 40, Area 23 P.S. The "Confidential" designed book can also be found at www.4dgroups.org under "Downloads." Robert Stonebraker 212 SW 18th Street Richmond, IN 47374 (765) 935-0130 - - - - From GC the moderator: this is a beautiful example of a really good local history. Indianapolis was one of the 27 earliest AA groups started, AND it is a place where we know a bit about what AA was like in that city, so it is an important source for AA historians desiring to know what AA was like in the 1940's and 50's, the period during which Big Book based AA swept over the US and Canada, and then the world. (Remember that before the Big Book was published, AA had only 100 members at most, and probably no more than 40 or so members who were solidly sober and truly committed to the fellowship. The extraordinary spread of early AA and its impressive successes were based on Big Book style AA.)
Gathering: August 8, 2009 From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/6/2009 4:39:00 PM
(Eastern Pennsylvania) Saturday August 8 2009 Susquehanna/Swatara Rooms, Myer Hall Elizabethtown College Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania
Welcoming Remarks 9 a.m. First Presentation (Research on Early Days in NY etc. -- I) 9:15 a.m. Break 10:05 a.m. Second Presentation (Research on Early Days in NY etc. -- II) 10:15 a.m. Break 11:05 a.m. Third Presentation (Research on Early Days in NY etc. -- III) 11:15 a.m. Lunch 12:05 p.m. Fourth Presentation (Panel: The Uses of AA History) 1:05 p.m. Break 1:55 p.m. Fifth Presentation (TBA) 2:10 p.m. Concluding Remarks 3 p.m. ARCHIVES FROM NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, PENNSYLVANIA, MARYLAND From the East on the Turnpike: Exit at Rte 222 toward Lancaster. Follow 222 to 283 toward Harrisburg. Travelling West on 283, follow directions from Lancaster below. From Harrisburg (North and West of Elizabethtown): Take Route 283. Follow 283 East (toward Lancaster) to Elizabethtown/Hershey exit and turn right at the end of the ramp onto Route 743 South. Travel south on Route 743 to Elizabethtown. Turn left at second light onto Market Street (Route 230). Go through center of town and past College Avenue and turn left onto Cedar Street. Follow directions from Cedar Street below.
Travel west on Route 283 to the Elizabethtown/Rheems exit. Turn left at end of exit ramp onto Cloverleaf Road and proceed one mile to Route 230. Turn right and travel west to Elizabethtown. You will be on South Market Street. Several blocks past Lemon Street, but before you get to the center of town, turn right onto Cedar Street. Follow directions from Cedar Street below.
Take Route 30 East. After crossing the river follow Rte 441 north. Turn right on Route 743 through Maytown and into Elizabethtown. Turn left onto So Market Street. Go several blocks and turn right onto Cedar St. Follow directions from Cedar Street below.
in Lebanon) into Elizabethtown where it joins Rte 743 (first light in Elizabethtown) and then Rte 230 (second light in Elizabethtown). Turn left at second light onto Market Street (Route 230). Go through center of town and past College Avenue and turn left onto Cedar Street. Follow directions from Cedar Street below. Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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