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From Cedar Street to Myer Hall: You will see the college on your left. Park in the Elizabethtown Church of the Brethren parking lot (on the right) at Mount Joy and Cedar Streets. Walk across Cedar Street to Myer Hall. Enter the Susquehanna Room by way of the ramp.
anyone wants cd's. He's taped this in the past. He can be reached at just love audio, and as you all know he is a member of the AAHL. Yours in service, Shakey Mike Gwirtz Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Miami in 1970 From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/7/2009 3:59:00 AM
the program from the Fifth AA International Convention, which was held in Miami in 1970.
about a panel presentation on Narcotics Anonymous.
from Dr. John Norris to Major Edward Dimond dated January 6, 1970 in which he states "One of the important meetings on the Convention program will concern fellowships similar to A.A., one of which is Narcotics Anonymous." I'm curious as to whether this actually materialized. Chris B. Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5912. . . . . . . . . . . . First registered AA group in Denmark: January 1955 From: Henrik R. . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/2/2009 1:13:00 PM
registered as of January 1955. Before this an organization called "Ring I Ring -- Dansk AA" (Ring in ring -- Danish A.A.) had been in contact with the GSO in New York, but would not recognize the spiritual living in the AA program.
approved book (2004) in Danish about the history of Alcoholics Anonymous in Denmark.
Henrik Rue IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5913. . . . . . . . . . . . Harlem BB Workshop From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/6/2009 4:09:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII A salute to AA members with 55 years plus presented by the Harlem Big Book groups will take place Saturday, Aug. 15, 2009 from 11 am to 5 PM, at the William Inst.(131st & 132nd Sts) 22-25 Adam Clayton Blvd Harlem, New York
____________________ Jim C., Kerhonkson NY 56 years Liz B., Queens NY 57 years Melvin B., Toledo OH 57 years Olga M., Glenham NY 60 yrs ____________________ I've been to this group before and always a good time. There will be a sobriety countdown and it is an AA meeting. I'm not sure if it's open or closed. There will be a 7th tradition. For more info call group members posted on the flyer: Cynthia W. &18 798-9223 or Thomas W 917 701-0550 Yours in service, Shakey Mike G. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5914. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group in the U.K. -- Millgate Hotel in Manchester? From: Martin . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/8/2009 1:40:00 PM
(or is) in Manchester, England? Martin - - - - John Pine wrote: > The UK A.A. site > http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/geninfo/13history.htm > tells this story: > > The Start of AA in Great Britain > Progress was slow at first but when Canadian Bob visited new members Alan > and wife Winnie in Bolton he informed them that they were the Bolton Group. > In November 1948 the Group held its first meeting in the Millgate Hotel, > Manchester. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5915. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Program for 5th AA International in Miami in 1970 From: aalogsdon@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/7/2009 4:55:00 PM
NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS: Bill G., Chairman Board of Trustees * * * * * * * * * * *
From: ckbudnick I'm looking for anyone who has a copy of the program from the Fifth AA International Convention, which was held in Miami in 1970.
about a panel presentation on Narcotics Anonymous.
from Dr. John Norris to Major Edward Dimond dated January 6, 1970 in which he states "One of the important meetings on the Convention program will concern fellowships similar to A.A., one of which is Narcotics Anonymous." I'm curious as to whether this actually materialized. Chris B. Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5916. . . . . . . . . . . . I Have A Dream! -- on the future of silkworth.net From: Jim M . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/7/2009 4:53:00 AM
dream goes back to when I was a young adult. The time has come for this dream to start becoming a reality. I knew this day would have to come! Rather than I explain it right now, right here, at this moment, please read the following email I sent out the other day and then you will have most of your answers to questions or concerns you have. I do hope to get a lot of responses from this email. Please call me at 1-336-946-1409 with any and all questions you have and we can talk about all the details on the phone. Ever Grateful, Yours in service, Jim Myers, http://www.silkworth.net/ - - - - Hello Monika! I apologize for not writing sooner. The passing of Marshall saddened me so much
I didn't know how to respond to you. I was also going through a very severe depression at the time when you wrote me of the passing of Marshall. I loved and do love Marshall as a human being, especially in the area of A.A. and all his works he did in A.A. Marshall sponsored me for a brief time when I still lived in Columbia, S.C. and
I know how dedicated Marshall was in following the 12 steps and 12 Traditions as well as much of his works, including his works with working with other recovering alcoholics. Though Marshall was skeptical of my site at first, he made an about face with silkworth.net and he told me how important silkworth.net was. This brings me to why I am writing you now.
using his first name and last initial, sobriety date among other things. The thing is, is I am not a writer and if you agree with me doing this, I would need
someone who knew Marshall well to write this dedication for me if you agree with
allowing me to do so. It would have to be somewhat brief so that I could place
the dedication of silkworth.net to Marshall on the index page of silkworth.net. I would also need permission to edit the dedication because of the layout and
current content on the index page. This is where you come in. I would need you to find such a person to write this
dedication to silkworth.net. This is where you ask me why. During the earlier development of silkworth.net, I knew in my heart that one day
I would turn silkworth.net over to a group of sober individuals to carry on with
silkworth.net if for some reason I could not. That time has come Monika. You see
Monika, I have a new calling, one that I felt in my heart, most of my life, would happen one day. That calling is in the Church - a denomination I felt I would never be a part of - a Pentecostal Holiness Church. I was dedicated in a Pentecostal Church when I was an infant and have never been back since - till now. So you see, I have a lot to learn now if I am to minister the Word of God in the Pentecostal Church. So now you ask what is to happen with silkworth.net now.....
index page, I will then need to locate at least 12 sober individuals from 12 different States who have experience in web sites to carry on with silkworth.net - with no single individual being able to make changes to silkworth.net. Any changes to silkworth.net (of any kind) would have to be done by a unanimous vote
- meaning all 12 individuals would have to agree together or the change in question cannot take effect. silkworth.net has become to large for any one person to work on. There would be 12 individuals working on silkworth.net instead of just one person. This will decrease the work load. They would all be volunteers and would not have a title of any kind. They would be everyday ordinary people like myself who would like to see silkworth.net's works continued and stay online. Why making changes by unanimous vote? To prevent major changes. Its been working all these years, so, why fix something that isn't broken. The way it's looking right now is all 12 individuals would have equal access to all information concerning silkworth.net, such as all accounts and passwords associated with silkworth.net. If an individual or a few individuals should take
it upon themselves to make changes to silkworth.net on their own without consulting with all 12 members, they will be banned from maintaining and working on silkworth.net and the individuals who were not part of such changes will make the necessary changes, such as changing accounts information and changing all passwords associated with silkworth.net and replacing that person(s). All 12 individuals will have all files of silkworth.net on their computers and/or on cd's so that silkworth.net would never be in danger of disappearing off the Internet. I would still be their in the background in case the 12 individuals need counsel for any reason, but I would not have anything to do with maintaining, expanding, improving, making decisions, etc, etc. Eventually, I will no longer have anything to do with silkworth.net except enjoying being a visitor along with the other 100's of thousands of visitors. All of this I have written to you would have to happen fairly quickly and I know
it can be done. It's not that I want to give up on silkworth.net, because I don't. It has been a great endeavor for me for 9 and a half years. If it weren't for my mother showing me how to turn on a computer about 10 years ago, there may not have ever been a silkworth.net. I will in turn be learning more and more about the faith of the Pentecostal Church. I will also be building the Church a
website, putting them on the map so-to-speak. As of right now, the Church does
not even have a phone number. I wish to help the Church and to help the Church
attendance grow. Monika, I have come out of my severe depression, but may still have to take medication the rest of my life. I look forward to my new found freedom and look forward to helping others in what I have begun learning about. I have not felt as good as I do now in years. I owe this to Christ who sits at the right hand side of the Father, who are one and the same. I look forward to hearing from you Monika. To me, Marshall was a great man in his own right. Yours in service, Ever grateful, Jim M, http://www.silkworth.net/ - - - - From: Mlynninsc To: "Jim M" Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 3:30 PM
fought
an incredible battle with lung cancer, hoping he would not be a "statistic." However, it was too late. His cancer already had progressed to stage III when diagnosed. Marshall was blessed having friends by his side at all times until the end.
Monika IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5917. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: I Have A Dream! -- on the future of silkworth.net From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/7/2009 2:01:00 PM
but
I believe all the members of AAHistoryLovers -- and especially those who supported the silkworth.net rescue -- have interests at stake that shouldn't be brushed aside. As an historian of AA, and a member of AAHistoryLovers who believed in the rescue of silkworth.net, I find a couple of points troubling. First of all, my work in AA history has convinced me that it is contrary to AA's
traditions to name an AA enterprise, group, or meeting after an individual AA --
am I wrong? (I know silkworth.net isn't an AA enterprise, but establishing AA membership as a prerequisite for being one of the twelve running it means it isn't exactly not an AA enterprise, and naming after isn't the same as dedicating, but it's close.) Second, I believe GSO and the Archives have a policy on posthumous anonymity which would militate against anyone's dedicating an enterprise making use of GSO Archives information to any AA by full name (I don't suppose there's any problem with date of sobriety) -- am I wrong? (That could be covered by using first name and last initial, of course.)
to whether requiring unanimous consent of twelve individuals in twelve different states on any changes (would that include additions to the available texts? repairing the platform? any alteration in software or content?) could possibly
permit the website to function. Of course, Jim is concerned with the best way to do what he has determined to do, which is to be free from running silkworth.net and be available full-time to answer his call to the Pentecostal ministry, and he wants to do it rapidly. The Lord knows none of us would want to stand in the way of his Call. The silkworth website under his direction has immeasurably aided this historian, and I give him my thanks; yet it seems to me there are two questions here -- (1)
dedicating the website to an individual AA by full name (not necessarily a determinative point), and (2) creating a committee of twelve requiring unanimous consent to run the website. Knowing for my sins how committees function (even if they are not committees of twelve in twelve states and requiring unanimous consent), I wonder if what's suggested will work. But maybe it's "Let go and let God" as they say in AA. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5918. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group in the U.K. -- Millgate Hotel in Manchester? From: SUSIE DIXON . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/9/2009 2:25:00 PM
Failsworth, Manchester. Susie Dixon Archivist to North West region --- Martin > > Hi > > Does anybody know where the Millgate Hotel was > (or is) in Manchester, England? > > Martin > > - - - - > > John Pine wrote: > > The UK A.A. site > > http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/geninfo/13history.htm > > tells this story: > >
> > The Start of AA in Great Britain > > > Progress was slow at first but when Canadian Bob visited new members Alan > > and wife Winnie in Bolton he informed them that they were the Bolton Group. > > In November 1948 the Group held its first meeting in the Millgate Hotel, > > Manchester. >
Aug. 9, 2009 From: Jim M . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/9/2009 9:30:00 PM
Ever greatful, Jim M, http://www.silkworth.net/ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5920. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: I Have A Dream! -- on the future of silkworth.net From: allan_gengler . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/8/2009 3:47:00 PM
and Mitchell K. - - - - From: "allan_gengler" (agengler at wk.net) My two cents. I don't have a problem with dedicating a website to a person full name or not.
Although It's a historical website about AA, I do believe the posthumous anonymity break should be followed. It is that if the family says it's OK, then it's OK, but in the spirit of humility it should be a considered anonymity break. On the other hand it is not an anonymity break if you dedicate a site to a person and DO NOT name them as a sober member of AA. Regarding unanimous 12 member voting, it is my belief it should be along the lines of GROUP CONSCIENCE, which, of course, DOES NOT mean a simple majority but more substantial unanimity (2/3 ish) with adequate acknowledgement of minority opinion. That way nothing gets railroaded and everything is given due consideration.
the
communication center, lacking any real power, along the lines of a GSR. All communications and ideas would go through the central person and a virtual on-line business meeting could be held. But it SHOULD rotate and there should be provisions for new members. Keeping it at 12 is not a bad idea. But if someone
leaves, nominations should be given to replace them. That's a little more than two cents. --Al - - - - From: "Dean at ComPlanners" (dean at complanners.com) " ... I know how dedicated Marshall was in following the 12 steps and 12 Traditions. ... " Then it seems to me that "substantial unanimity" (two-thirds) would be the AA thing to do. " ... all 12 individuals would have to agree together or the change in question cannot take effect. ... " My guess is that it would be an accident if you were able to find 12 people who could make that work.
a mistake. (Speaking from 11 years of experience doing web hosting, both for "normies" and AA entities and related sites.)
Monterey Peninsula, California - - - - From: "David" (crescentdave at yahoo.com) A couple of points to ponder ... and apologies if there's more information floating about ... other than Jim's posts. 1. "Silkworth" .net IS already named after someone. I wasn't going to say this, because, of course, everyone knows this. But still-it's originally and already a site with reference to an individual. Jim's plan is to have a dedication to someone mentioned by their first name and initial (his words: "With your permission, I was thinking of dedicating silkworth.net to Marshall using his first name and last initial"). Sort of reminds me of "Dr. Bob and the Good Old Timers." So there is no "(1) dedicating the website to an individual AA by full name."
which apply. Tradition 10: "Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Jim can do whatever he wants, free of AA having to say anything at all. It's an outside issue. Just like this discussion group is not bound by any rules of AA. It's not a part of AA. 3. Jim did NOT make it a requirement that this service board be composed of "friends of Bill." The wording he uses is "12 sober individuals." 4. While I think unanimity among 12 volunteers from 12 different states is a little ambitious, this is obviously a first draft. I understand that he wants to protect the site from wilfull changes ... just as AA did regarding some of its literature. From post #4839: A 1976 Conference advisory action expanded the provisions of Article 3 of the Conference Charter. It specified that any change to the Steps, Traditions or Six warranties of Article 12 of the Conference Charter, would require written approval of 75% of the registered AA Groups known to General Service Offices around the world. This Conference advisory action effectively makes any proposed change to the Steps, Traditions and Warranties a virtual impossibility (even so much as adding or removing a comma). Maybe Jim might, at some point, draw up a line of distinction between content and "site-related" issues. Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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